Imagine when they find out you run your own media server. Bad boys out there downloading videos without licenses about to pop off on dating sites because no one can afford the "Netflix" part of netflix and chill
That’s because the deal has already been sealed. They typically wanna keep you off the market, not increase your “resale” value. Unless you’re into that kinda thing. Like, cucking or sharing kinda kinks, not human trafficking. Human trafficking isn’t sexy. Unless you’re into that kind of thing. Like, as a fantasy, not as a real thing. Real human trafficking isn’t sexy. Unless you’re into that kinda thing. Like, as in humans stuck in traffic or transforming into cars and being stuck in traffic, not as being sold as a commodity. Unless you’re into that kind of thing.
I have a friend who’s very attracted to her husband’s woodworking. Mind you he’s a world class artisan for equipment for a shared hobby of theirs, but still, she’s very supportive of his lathe purchases.
It could also just be women thinking, "I'd like to visit _____ when I'm able, I want my partner to go with me." Working in a passport office, I've met a shocking number of men who have never left the US (or sometimes even the state) by choice. Then their wife or girlfriend wants to go to Mexico or something, and they come in talking about how they're only doing it for her and they'd never travel if it was up to them.
Anyway, I'd consider traveling one of my hobbies even though I can't afford to do it often - plenty of time is spent planning and looking at things to do, so it goes beyond just the few days of the trip.
I've met people who are extremely happy living in their small town life doing small town things, then get angry or confused why anybody would want to go someplace "exotic".
I'm one of those people. I've never flown, rarely leave my state. My wife wants to travel, but we haven't yet. I, personally, have no interest in it. Just like sports and most popular movie franchises. I just have no feelings about it at all. It seems like a huge hassle.
For the vast majority of you, long travel is required to get to somewhere you can backpack. And the the gear and foodstuffs is expensive also. And judging by the damages to the environment that some inconsiderate people leave these days, I'm not sure that you should be allowed to. (I'm getting sick and tired of picking up garbage and hauling it out of the forest I live in).
Or be in a religious cult like Mormons. Of course they will send you to a foreign country and confiscate your passport until your 1.5-2 years are over.
I remember listening to some pop song and realizing that it was basically "You love me 'cause I'm rich". Do you like trashing hotel rooms, going places you have never been? I don't remember what song it was or the exact lyrics, but I just hated the guy then and there.
If they flaunt it with their fancy cars and designer clothes, I think they're gross.
If they look like a hobo but are highly educated about finances... Aaaaay bay bee how you doin? Wink at me, you economist with a 401K who ties her hair up because she hasn't showered in days because she was doing data science. Spit in my mouth, you engineer with a diverse stock portfolio who wears the same hoodie you wore in college because clothes shopping is hard and you want to focus on optimizing your CI pipelines. Choke me, you tenured professor with a mature retirement fund who dedicated their life building physics engines to teach grad students.
There was this study where they asked a theater full of women to rate the attractiveness of men, based on a photo and a profession. Then they changed all the professions (but kept the same photos) and did it again.
The same picture with a higher-paying job was rated significantly higher.
Playing an instrument: a good instrument isn't cheap, and music lessons can be pretty expensive.
Woodworking requires a lot of fairly expensive tools, and a space to do it. You can't really have woodworking as a hobby if you live in a small studio apartment. You basically need a house, either one with a basement, a shed or a garage.
Gardening: requires a garden, something you're unlikely to have unless you have your own house.
Photography: I don't know anybody who is into photography who hasn't sunk a lot of money into the hobby. There's the cameras, the lenses, and even the software these days.
Astronomy: see above.
Hiking: not expensive on its own, but in North America it means being able to drive to a wilderness spot outside the city, so you pretty much require your own car.
Archery and blacksmithing: again, requires a specialized space
Now, I know that there are cheap options for a lot of these. A musician could be someone drumming on an upside-down pail. Someone who only has access to a hotplate could still experiment with food. Woodworking could be just whittling sticks found in the park. Gardening could just be tending to a small houseplant. But, are these the version of the hobbies the women are picturing when they're imagining a potential mate doing the activity? Probably not.
Meanwhile, a lot of the stuff at the bottom of the list are very cheap hobbies. Like being influenced by the "Manosphere" just requires access to social media, same with porn and "arguing online".
Honestly, it looks to me like if you sorted the list by "dollars per hour someone invested in that hobby is likely to spend" you'd get many of the same things at the top and many of the same ones at the bottom. Some of the few exceptions are writing and reading, which can be pretty cheap hobbies, but are still apparently very attractive.
For astronomy (really astrophotography, which is considered even more expensive) I guess it depends on what you consider expensive. For $500 and with 3 free software products I'm able to produce stuff like this:
A rather large telescope (8" dobsonian reflector) I have as well was "only" $500. So it can be a hobby that you don't need to spend all that much on, but again that depends on what we consider expensive. $500 is definitely not cheap but I'm just a schmuck in a factory and I could save for that.
As someone who does hit the gym, in my experience the majority of people you're impressing with your physique are men. Sure I'd say most women like it if you have it (assuming you aren't too big), but generalising that it's the main attraction would be a mistake.
Hiking - sounds attractive, but the woman may not actually enjoy hiking especially doing multiple day trails
Woodworking - "wow you made this desk yourself?!" Reality: Spent weeks designing and getting the right materials, spent more weeks in the shop getting everything right, spent months all together away and in a shop so you could present..... a desk (the novelty runs out real quick with a partner)
Same with a lot of them, if you're really into a hobby and it is presentable.... You've spent a fuckton of time on it. Something you could do while you were single, 10x harder to pick up or continue doing in a relationship since your time is now divided. It becomes one of those, "Yeah they love doing photography and they're really good at it!" (cue partner standing there who hasn't taken a picture in over a year looking sheepish).
"Playing and instrument", for example, is likely not a tender accoustic guitar in the moonlight. It's repetitive, monotonic, loud noise, that rarely resembles music most of the time, no matter the instrument.
Same with woodworking, it's not sculpting a figurine with a knife and a pipe in your mouth. It's FUCKING LOUD machines, wood dust everywhere (if you're a hobbyist), every nook of your place becomes wood storage.
Most of the "attractive" hobbies might sound attractive, when you don't really think about them and go with your first thought (that's mostly based on depictions in films/tv shows, etc.)
I can not fathom how blacksmithing is LOWER on the list than reading. "The dude with the hammer looks nice, but that other one over there is sitting on a sofa for HOURS on end"
Reading demonstrates culturing, education, pursuit of knowledge, and willingness for good conversation. It’s also a hobby that can be practiced together (my wife and I have even devised a technique for how to best read books together)
Blacksmithing is one of the few hobbies that a guy probably can’t teach his girlfriend because women usually use a different technique to make up for strength differences. It’s hot for sure, but it’s hot in a “I’m going to watch you but it’s expensive in time and money, and I may wind up stuck selling at ren faires forever” way as opposed to a “even when we’re old we’ll still be discussing literature” way
Right? Just the other day I was thinking about how many hobbies I dropped once I started seriously dating, and then later how many more when I had kids.
My guitar hasn't been touched in years. My books have gone unread. My 3D printer is getting a workout making organizational tools and little toys for the kids though lol
Along the years I have managed to scrounge together almost all the gear I always dreamed of when I was young. Nothing really expensive or fancy, but good quality second hand stuff that would get things done right.
But there just isn't any time to use them. And if by some miracle a bit of time appears, it's guaranteed that I'm dead tired and choose sleep.
From talking to my female friends the bar for men is incredibly low. Basically have good hygiene and be able to take care of yourself and you're already in the top 60-70%
Judging by what I see on dating sites, fishing is near the bottom of the list. So many women's profiles say something like "I don't want to see a picture of you holding a fish"
I wonder if it is fishing itself that they don't like, or if it is the prevalence of fishing photos on dating sites. I know that a lot of guys post fishing photos on their profiles (probably because most men don't take many photos of themselves but will take photos with a nice catch), so maybe it just seems unoriginal or low effort. I'm honestly not sure, but my only point is that it may not be the hobby itself.
Agreed, I really don't think it's the fishing itself.
Half the problem on any dating site is the classic: 1. Be attractive 2. Don't be unattractive.
If the dude is holding a fish but looks like Chris Evans, she will probably still be interested.
On top of that, dudes holding the fish will overwhelmingly tend to look like the wrap around sunglasses wearing, goatee having, overweight, Trump voting cliche. Women probably build an association to not being compatible with dudes who love fishing after enough times of seeing that and connecting these dots.
It’s that men don’t take a lot of pictures of themselves. Then they refuse to take any specifically for their dating profiles. Taking pictures specifically for a dating profile would show that they actually care about finding a person they would do other things specifically for.
Taking pictures specifically for a dating profile would show that they actually care about finding a person they would do other things specifically for.
This is a dead giveaway that you've never asked men why they don't take and share pictures of themselves. Most men in the anglosphere consider it vain and self-destructive to obsess over their looks. You can also see it in the way they buy clothes ("I'll take 5 pairs of the same pants, thanks"), the way they cut their hair ("just take an inch off and even it out"), and the way they present themselves, often with as few accessories and adornments as possible. Those they do have are utilitarian or deeply personal.
It’s that men don’t take a lot of pictures of themselves.
I can't speak for all men but I have a complete inability to look even remotely normal if I know a picture is being taken of me. I try to take profile pics and they all wind up awful and that's not just my view. I showed my friend just to make sure it wasn't just poor self image talking and they reacted like I was showing off a broken bone. I think the only way I'm going to get workable dating profile pics is if I have a friend take pictures of me without me noticing like I'm some sort of cryptid and they'retrying to capture proof.
Unfortunately, the fact that they don’t take many pictures of themselves can be really obvious. I try not to turn a guy down because of a bad profile picture, because I know there’s a technique to it and that requires practice.
At the same time, we’re in a digital era - you can take 100 pictures and only upload your favorite one. There’s no reason for an average guy’s profile picture to resemble a mugshot.
I read, write, cook, paint, swim, travel, and hike, and last gardening. I should be rolling in it. But my wife finds me sexy so I got that going for me.
Ok, but most of those shouldn't even be considered hobbies. Like poker can be a hobby but if your hobby is just "gambling" then you probably have an issue. I guess your hobby could be porn if you're in the kink scene and into making porn or something, but while watching porn is ok, if you consider watching porn a hobby then you may have an issue.
To be fair, I enjoy both these things but I don't know that I would classify them as hobbies, more as something I do to wind down. I can see video games going into hobby or even profession territory but THC is just a medicine for me. A hobby is something that needs to challenge me, in which I learn things and get better at it.
Tl;dr: any interest is interesting and attractive. In particular if it can be done without annoying your partner and shows your ability to think independently. If it produces something useful that's cool, too.
Okay, this meme actually doesn't contain Saddam Hussein. I know it's a shock, you'd better sit down. Actually lie down. Lower. Lower. Keep going. There he is.
When you worry about the brand of the olive oil you use and the cost, (over $100 per knife), of your kitchen knives. And your stove is a $4000 induction model with 2 ovens.
Source: My one Son-in-law. But the son-of-a-bitch CAN really cook!
I have two Kitchenaid mixers, and all my specialty tools. Cooking and baking can definitely be a hobby. We have the meals to survive. Then we have the shit I make that tskes a list of ingredients a mile long and all day to accomplish. But goddamm they are some great food.
Yeah I burn the kids out of pizza and calzone for awhile when I got into pizza making. I had to try many different ways to make it so we ate it everyday for a week.
There are a surprising amount of old kids that can't even boil water for pasta. No one looking to date wants to date an old kid they need to take care of. (Some people do, but burnout is real)
Cooking qs a Hobby is not throwing together a Quick meal, but actually making an effort to cook. I.e. trying new things, cooking homemade pizza or even a roast.
"throwing together a quick meal" should have it's own word.
"cooking" to me implies you're working on something worth the time it takes, something you want to put effort into.
But when I just got home, nothing is easy to make and I have to throw something quick together, it doesn't feel like really cooking to me. Like im half assing it, it should have a half-assed name.
Exactly, I am always looking for new and exciting things to try. Also subscribe to shit ton of cooking channels on YouTube, and blogs. Also subscribe to a magazine subscription which I was exited that I could still do that. Also have a ton of cook books and always looking for more.
When you are making everything from scratch, cooking becomes a hobby. You can make tacos and buy a salsa from the store and make some good tacos, but when you are making the salsa and thinking that you should add just a bit more of something, you are in hobby territory.
Smoking meats is a hobby. To get dinner ready, you start at 3am and tend the firebox all day. You try different rubs, woods, and techniques to make the product of your craft the best it can be.
Making pizza from scratch is a hobby. You make may make dozens of pizzas to just get the sauce, dough, or crust right.
Following a recipe to make something is not a hobby unless it is just a starting point in something you wish to refine and make your own.
Smoking meats is a hobby. To get dinner ready, you start at 3am and tend the firebox all day. You try different rubs, woods, and techniques to make the product of your craft the best it can be.
3am?!? What tiny little brisket are you doing at 225 to start that late? You've got to leave time for it to rest.
Ok, in all seriousness this is one of my main hobbies. By that I mean I do it often and I've stuck with it for years while other hobbies have come and gone. I've got a couple of offset smokers, a drum smoker that I built, and a pellet smoker when I don't have the time to tend the firebox but still want to smoke something.
I said all that to say this: there are plenty of people who couldn't give two shits about smoking meats who absolutely come ask me questions about it. Not because I'm the best, and not because they want it to be their hobby. But because I'm excited to talk about it. I also tend to bring full plates with me for my friends (and usually a couple of extras) so they get the benefit of having food.
I've also had women ask if they can come hang out next time I crank up the smoker. It's an easy way in for someone who wouldn't normally be confident enough to approach you.
I’m not into guys but as a woman I’m surprised blacksmithing isn’t higher. How am I supposed to be your knight in shining armor if you can’t make me some shining armor?
I've forged everything from aluminum to Waspaloy, from handheld to car-sized.
Unfortunately, I used an industrial press and lots of math. Not sexy. What respondents really mean is hipsters with an anvil. Then you're wearing an apron with no shirt, sweating, and smashing something hard and repeatedly.
If you were into guys and said that on our first date, I’d be there on our second!
I’m getting a bit tired of home automation as a hobby anyway - i don’t meet many new people inside my home. 3D printing was next on my list but then I’d have to collect WarHammer miniatures
It's probably too rare. Like, woodworking is somewhat rare, but to do that you just need a basement or a shed or a garage or something. Blacksmithing actually requires a forge, so I'm assuming that far fewer people actually do it.
With it being so rare, I bet that the women who don't have any experience with a man who's into blacksmithing don't think to mention it, or haven't really thought of it. And the ones who do have experience have had a mixed experience. Blacksmithing is loud and dirty so I bet the charm wears off quickly.
Unironically, most of the women I've spoken too have found it attractive when I bring up 3dPrinting. It's an active and interesting hobby, and tangible & crafty enough not to be too "nerdy" or whatever. Perfect middle ground, women love it.
They probably just didn't think of it or it wasn't on the poll.
So, lots of Linux fans should be fairly attractive. Like we read (the docs), know a few languages (at least bash), occasionally write scripts, travel (between distros), and archers became a huge meme 🙃
But you annoy users with unreliability and difficulty to repair and time to implement. UX is important. You can't have home improvement work sites lingering.
Haven't tested macos myself (and ain't going to due to progressing hardware enshitification), but windows isn't any better, in my experience.
The only kinda benefit is that you often don't need to install it and are likely accustomed to using it. But then come problems. First, you need to remove a metric ton of crap by both vendor and Microsoft, so much so it's often easier to install a clean msdn image (which negates the benefit of windows being preinstalled). And if you happen to remove more unnecessary crap than expected by Microsoft, you also get weird and hard yo track issues.
Then reliability... The last time I needed it, w10 bsoded (oh, yeah, the famous undifficult to repair "smth died, and we want tell you what exactly"; so much better than logs in Linux, am I right?) 5 mins after install from an original msdn image, and after reinstalling touchpad and trackpoint didn't work properly, for example. So, that's actually worse than any Linux distro I've tried so far. But idk, mb I'm just unlucky. Also, crowdstrike 🙃
Then the usual way to install software on windows... Which sucks hard: heck, even Slackware is better in that regard, and it kinda says a lot.
Soo, basically leaves us with "windows good 'cuz I know windows".
The musical instrument thing is transitory and depends entirely on the instrument.
Pre-relationship; in a popular band playing a more traditional instrument like guitar with a bunch of also attractive people (or at least part of a cool local scene) = hot
In a relationship and/or solo bedroom producing any kind of electronic music and/or buying lots of synthesizers, drum machines or grooveboxes = not hot
Also note how low "clubbing" is on the least attractive list, so no, DJs and electronic musicians who perform live don't get a pass
seriously? I've known several women that fucking love banjo. I would say I've heard more women talk about how cool banjo playing is compared to actual guitars (then again I think it's just a known thing with guitars that doesn't need to be brought up). It might also depend on where you live I suppose. Roll into an Appalachian town stringing a banjo and you'll be the pied piper of the mountain women.
Which is definitely strange. Or maybe I know a lot of strange women. Which is not unlikely now that I think about it. We should all be a little strange tbh
No one should undertake hobbies because they are attractive to someone else. Unless you want to join groups where you can meet people you’re attracted to, then the activity is just an excuse to mingle. But you are more likely to find a hobby rewarding if you are genuinely interested in it, no matter what others think.
I beg to argue that being able to 3d model the figures and printing your own original creations is far more attractive than downloading a file aomeone else made and printing that.
I think this is cool. Many of these are accessible and cheap. Most of these are "do you get out of the house and spend time on something" which is obvious. Looks like most hobbies are attractive, like even anime and cosplay have 1 out of 4 women who is into that and finds it attractive.
I also love the huge correlation between the top 15 and what men think is the top 15, the main difference is that men didn't think hobbies were attractive enough.
I'd love to see the reversed list for what men think are attractive hobbies for a woman!
I think this is mutual in that I prefer women just have a hobby more than anything. It's a weird feeling when someone genuinely tells you they do "Nothing really" and you find out they're genuinely serious.
Forklift certs ain't nothing compared to amateur radio. When you get that personalized license plate too... They're going to be climbing over their boyfriends just to hear you ask for an RST from the guy you bounced to with 10m.
Let's see: I love reading, I am learning French, I paint, I write, I enjoy a bit o astronomy, I am an archer, and I have learned how to blacksmith.
Yeah this is just a list of activities with no correlation to attractiveness whatsoever
Edit: let me be clear, I've learned to blacksmith the cheating way with propane or natural gas AND the good old fashioned hand cranked coal fired away meant to coat your lungs with soot like a real man. And make sure you bring the borax cause we gonna do some welds
I've read manual for my new 3D printer but it was in a foreign language so I had to cook up a way to understand it, luckily I travel a lot so learning languages is not that difficult for me. I hope that this writing paints good enough of a picture on how it went. I forged up some way to accelerate my learning process so that I could get trough it swift like an arrow. There certainly were some steep inclines which I had to overcome but in the end it all went swimmingly. The only issue was that I could not muster any courage to approach my crush. I just stood there like a stump and stared at her eyes that glistened like stars. In the end it turned out she was a hoe so I dodged a bullet.
All the nerd hobbies are at the bottom of the list scoring negatives. Linux, video games, Warhammer, D&D and other, etc. this is why despite playing a music instrument, I couldn't get laid.
Eh, I find a lot of people the attraction is towards the person themselves and that makes them more interested in their hobbies anyway. Like if someone is into you, they'll probably try to take an interest in Warhammer or whatever because you're into it.
Edit: I think this survey is problematic for a number of reasons, so I hope no one takes it too seriously. I'm one of the women who'd rather her boyfriend smoked pot instead of getting drunk, and would rather play games (tabletop or video) than go to the movies.
So a foreign manga reader that likes to work their wood whilst drawing furry pics from said manga, and travels to cons to display subsequent art - is the most irresistible person to women?
(Should probably think about doing some public garden porn photography tbh)
It's a shame being attractive is the most important thing about being attractive lol
I'm into cooking, astronomy, photography (astrophotography), and hiking. Used online dating (listed all those things) for almost 10 years and went on something like 7 dates. Still single lol I just gave up about a year ago
I have a few in that list too and yeah, online dating is really rough. I've had way more success meeting people IRL. Now that I'm a proper adult though, my hobbies don't really expose me to meeting new people and that's where it gets extra hard. Still haven't found a solution to get me out into public to meet people, friends or dating.
Online dating is the most damaging and predatory thing for man. I think at this point research shows quite clearly that is very detrimental for men's mental health
That's a pretty big issue of mine as well. I'm 38 and I live around a sea of old people. Not only is where I live too expensive for people my age, but there isn't really anything to do where you could meet someone. I have absolutely no interest in going to a bar, I don't even drink anymore.
No amount of desirable hobbies will ever make up for ugly. If you’re handsome then your hobbies are considered cute and they are markers of your creativity. If you are ugly then those same hobbies are evidence that you are a dweeb, goober, dork, or weird.
Essentially just be a renaissance man. It's much easier to do when you're younger. I could've ticked off over half the list 10 years ago, but now it's just reading, cooking and writing. I don't have the time or energy for much outside of work these days.
Photography seems to only invite critique, archery tends to be a short subkect of conversation but 3d printing usually leads to the most questions and takes up a larger part of the conversation.
When i played bass, no one really showed any interest other than one friends who caught me playing a small part of something i was figuring out how to follow it up and wanted to sample it. Which eventually led to nothing.
I designed a silencer for airsoft in fusion360 and already sold 10, a friend asked me to print a spitfire and i eventually summoned up the idea to make some spitfire exhausts he could mount on his spitfire themed mini cooper, my archery club has these plastic stars that tend to be used on the carnival for air guns so i designed some custom ones with their logo "just because". I also printed some trophy's which i still have to give out.
Once you get a reliable 3d printer and learn the software well enough, it is an amazing hobby.
The wife paints miniatures (think warhammer for example) and she needs plinths for her competition models. So i shit out a custom plinth within an hour including print time. It's so awesome and after 5 years i'm still amazed when i get to hold something that was nothing more than a digital design a mere hour before, i have a mini factory inside my house that only produces what i tell it to...it's absolutely insane.
Bake some bread brother. I never got so much attention as when I worked in a bakery (though I imagine the sheer size of my forearms probably contributed)
My girlfriend loves the little trinkets and doodads I run off for her. I gave her a little tree that holds her jewelry and she got all moony and immediately asked for a couple more. She also loves watching the machine run, almost as much as I do. n=1 but some girls find 3d printing incredibly romantic.
I want to see the list of attractive hobbies of gay men that gay men like. I bet it's like: Rugby, going to the gym, video games, 3d printing, sashaying, cooking
Any women here who can give insight on why woodworking is attractive? I thought my hands would be too grimy with sharpening grit, everything covered in chips and shavings and my hands covered in scars for it to be considered attractive.
Also do you find power tools or hand tools more attractive?
Especially cause chairs are fucking hard (for the good ones). Lots of specialtly equipment to make it. A steam box, a kiln, bending jigs, all sorts of cushioning, fabric, springs, twine, burlap, its mind-blowing. I saw a master upholsterer give a demonstration and the depth of the craft of just constructing the cushion is jaw dropping.
Well, firstly, there's the artistry of it. Creativity can be very sexy; it's a kind of intelligence, after all. Hence writing, cooking, painting, ect. also being on the list. Not to mention, wood is a beautiful medium overall... and it smells nice when freshley cut.
Secondly, it's attractive to be good with your hands. Not just because of the obvious, but because it's genuinely admirable. It's a show of competence (or at least one kind of competence) and requires one to be hard-working, dedicated, passionate, and persevering. All pretty universally attractive traits.
A carpenter's hands may be rough and scarred, but they're rough and scarred because they've literally crafted furniture/boats/houses/whatever. That in itself is pretty attractive to me.
Also do you find power tools or hand tools more attractive?
Personally, hand tools, because they require one to use more of their own power, if that makes sense. Plus, power tools are a little too dangerous for me to see them in a sexy context lol. Frankly, the tools themselves don't really do much for me.
I'm glad people love the scent of wood. Working with green oak blew me away. It smells sweet! It kind of smells like vanilla and cinnamon. Theres actually a guy who made oak flavored ice cream by toasting oak scraps and soaking them in the cream he intended to use.
Also good to know i shouldn't be self conscious of all the scars and stuff. Thought it'd make me look like an idiot haha.
I really want to understand what's the big deal about foreign languages. If both speak the same second language, then maybe having a few conversations in it might be fun, but if you don't what is exciting about someone that can say things you don't understand?
The difference between a 20 year old and a 30 year old is whether you prioritize a chiseled jaw and tight abs over the ability to have an engaging conversation, cook a good meal, and massage feet.