What HATED or highly disliked movie you ACTUALLY really enjoyed?
The reverse of that post I've made a week ago...
Rules: pick one movie or series and explain why you actually enjoyed it despite the criticism.
For me: The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, by far the best ST stuff ever made, I couldn't take seriously the original universe with the dated effects and stiff acting, same goes for NG... These movies did ST actually great looking and much more believable, not just the effects.
I'm not even going to call it a guilty pleasure, but Josie and the Pussycats was a movie that I genuinely adored long before people started to appreciate it for the satire that it is.
As a CIS male I got endlessly mocked, but I stuck to my guns.
Super Mario Bros. with Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo. I don't care how bad it is. It's in the campy so-bad it's good pool of movies and nothing anyone says can change my mind. The fact that they were drunk off their asses just makes it even funnier in my opinion.
I didn't particularly hate Dexter season 5. The later seasons were worse, and of course it doesn't hold a candle to season 4... But I just don't get the flat out hate. It was fine, and I kinda liked it.
It’s a really fun action/sci-fi flick. I don’t know why people dismiss it for being scientifically inaccurate. Who went into it thinking it was realistic? LoL.
Waterworld is ocean Fallout and RHPoT is fucking meme central. Plus RH is my childhood nostalgia movie, I've probably watched it over a couple hundred times just on VHS.
The Postman. Compared to other post apocalyptic cheese fests it feels like a more nuanced display of societal breakdown and the re-emergence of the barter economy.
Wouldn't say really enjoyed, but Cats didn't deserve the hate it got. I saw it with my (then) girlfriend about five years ago when Frozen 2 was sold out and we had the choice of seeing this, Star Wars Episode IX, or Jumanji: The Next Level instead. We chose Cats.
I'm gonna ignore the elephant in the room that's the atrocious CGI, and say that Tom Hooper didn't do a terrible job besides that. Most of the movie adaptations of each song were at least on-par with the musical. 'Jellicle Songs For Jellicle Cats', 'Bustopher Jones' and 'Skimbleshanks The Railway Cat' were the three that stood out as the movie's best songs.
Only three songs were far worse than the musical, and they were big ones...
The Old Gumbie Cat was awful. Rebel Wilson absolutely butchered Jennyanydots by portraying her as a fat lazy glutton, complete with awful voice, awful ad-lib jokes thrown around the song and a part where she literally starts munching on CGI humanoid cockroaches marching around the dinner table. I mean... as much as I hate James Corden, he at least played the role of Bustopher Jones (a literal aristocratic fat-cat) really well, and unlike Wilson, his ad-libs were actually funny. I'd keep him in the cast, 100%.
The Rum Tum Tugger is another bad one. Jason Derulo's vocal performance was really weak, but I don't have much else to say about it.
Magical Mr Mistoffelees was the worst though. Hooper legitimately took the most iconic song from Cats and massacred it by portraying the titular musician who ultimately saves Old Deuteronomy as a nervous wreck. This is one that the Rum Tum Tugger should have sang, like in the original West End/Broadway musical. I got what he was trying to do with this decision but it just didn't work.
If I were in Tom Hooper's shoes, there are four things I'd change:
Redo the CGI
Replace Rebel Wilson with Lea Michele. She is probably one of the best actresses who could play Jennyanydots.
Replace Jason Derulo with Brendon Urie. Imagine Panic! At The Disco's frontman singing the Rum Tum Tugger and Magical Mr Mistoffelees. 'Nuff said...
Redo the three bad songs listed above to make them more like the musical.
Johnny Mnemonic. Keanu cannot act for shit in it, the story isn't exactly gripping, hell the action in it is somewhere in the shitter. Oh, and Henry Rollins is a nerdy doctor. All if it adds up to a campy trip of slop that triggers my guilty pleasure.
Watching this as a kid that scene where he puts on cyber gloves and hacks his own brain was a wild ride. It's so ridiculous but still better than much of the "hacking" Hollywood depicts as far as entertainment goes.
I changed my tune on the prequels, after seeing some fan edits. And especially seeing some of the original cuts of A New Hope, before Marcia Lucas fixed it, I’m convinced the prequels just need a solid re-edit to make them amazing.
The prequel trilogy at least had a singular vision, even if it probably got diverted at times. TFA started a new trilogy, but got derailed. TLJ had some interesting ideas, but not ideas for the second part of a trilogy.
TFA and ROS are pretty good, but TLJ is a film where you keep waiting for something to happen, and when it finally does (Canto Bight) it has not a god damn thing to do with anything else.
TFA and ROS are fine pieces of Star Wars media in a wonderful trilogy, that's missing a second movie...
I really like Alien: Covenant.
Micheal Fassbender is fantastic in that movie.
Awesome cinematography, awesome vibe, awesome creatures and Aliens, and a fantastic ending.\
It’s my second favorite Alien movie.
Okay, thanks to that statement the flamethrowers are gonna come out; let me explain:
Alien is a nigh untouchable masterpiece.
Alien: Covenant
Aliens is a good movie. I don’t quiet like it as much as an Alien-Movie and also am generally not that big of a fan as quite a lot of people seem to be.
Alien Romulus. Okay, nice movie I guess. The are some plot holes like: How do they know Ridley threw the Xenomorph out of the airlock? She is still in Cryosleep. But generally quite enjoyable. Jumping Facehuggers are a nice touch.
Prometheus. I also don’t dislike this one. Even though they got lost in the weeds on this one a bit.
Matrix 2 & 3. I don't see, or watch, them as separate movies. Rather, together with Matrix 1, they form one big masterpiece for me. But I can see that it doesn't really fit the 100 minutes format audiences came to expect, and breaking it in three parts did not do it any good. Plus, I guess I'm just a fan of long movies as I've also sat through the original, restored "Until the End of the World," which runs for about 5 hours.
I mean, 2 and 3 are also largely a deconstruction of 1. The Matrix is an incredibly well made movie with really stupid themes. 2 and 3 do an excellent job highlighting why stuff like "Neo is the Chosen One" is fundamentally bad storytelling, but there were a lot of audiences who loved The Matrix fully and completely. I can understand why those people were disappointed when 2 and 3 weren't just more senseless violence in black trenchcoats, but ultimately the series wasn't made for them.
IIRC, 2 and 3 were meant to be one film, but it got split due to studio meddling. I wonder if there is a mega-cut adapting the whole trilogy into a single runtime.
Yea I'm with you on this. They expand on an otherwise superb unit in a rather intricate way, bringing in so much lore and characters, complexifying the stakes, that I can see how they can be perceived as diluting a very pure work of art, and losing the beautiful esoterism of the first. But it's two of those films you need to watch several times to wrap your head around and appreciate rightfully. Just like The Big Lebowski, in a different way
I won't say it's hated but I feel like it completely fell under the radar because of covid.
Ron's Gone Wrong
I really liked it. It came out of 20th century studios, I suppose it's technically under Disney now. It got released and no one gave it the time of day.
In this thread: I'm mostly finding people I feel I need to add to my "no longer like them" list for irreconcilable differences.
I'm having a hard time deciding what qualifies as "HATED" or highly disliked.
A lot of people hated Edge of Tomorrow because Tom Cruise. But I am actually quite fond of the movie.
A lot of people hate Apocolypto, and it's objectively a terrible movie from a historical as well as moral/ethical perspective, I don't disagree there. But at the end of the day it is entertaining if you can turn your brain off.
Jupiter Ascending. It was a low writing effort but big budget high fantasy with a slightly too perfect protagonist, "science" that makes absolutely 0 sense, and a cartoonishly evil villain just absolutely chewing the scenery which is pretty common, except most most of the time the protagonist is male. I loved seeing the equivalent of my 13 y/o mary sue fanfiction on a movie screen with a massive budget (edit: and channing tatum as her loyal dog consort-boyfriend). Just this once. More than that would get as tired just as quickly as the male equivalent. But just this once it was delicious. I have the poster framed actually, the real poster from the theater, my friend who worked there saved it for me.
This is one of my comfort movies. I really wish it had done well and I feel like the marketing team dropped the ball on it. The whole bureaucracy navigation montage was a fun ride.
Its my dream to write an epic ballad about four people attempting to navigate such a planet except its been recently renovated to be candyland themed to be easier and more pleasant to access (it is not). One dude is trying to get a copy of the deed to his dad's farm on a distant planet, one dude is trying to find out if he passed the CDL exam for interstellar cargo hauling, and the last is a moderately rich kid trying to get his license reinstated after a DUI.
As someone who absolutely loved Cloud Atlas, I read the reviews for Jupiter Ascending hoping to be blown away yet again and I just couldn't bring myself to even watch it. Considering The Matrix Resurrections was so bad I almost left the theater, I thought I chose right... Wachowskis have repeatedly missed the mark lately. Maybe I'll give it a watch anyway.
I mean it's not good. It's a gas station hot dog (terrible but surprisingly tasty when you're drunk) the same as that sort of thing is with a male protagonist, but it's fun to watch when that's all you're watching it for and just this once it's nice to see a girl to do it for a change.
I was trying to figure out how to fit in everything I love about the male love interest without making it sound weird but lbr after putting up with female love interests in movies like this for years we all earned Channing Tatum as a dog consort-boyfriend.
The joke in my friend group was that Waterworld was Dances with Wolves on water. The Postman was Waterworld on land. Dances with Wolves was the Postman with Native Americans. Toss in whichever parallel you feel works best to not actually say the movie you're putting on.
If paper is the most valuable substance in the entire world, then why are they continuously smoking cigarettes that are rolled in paper? That would be like eating a chunk of gold every hour.
It's a fine movie, but people really don't like being reminded of climate change or other environment issues. Same thing with Avatar. If you cast an environmentalist as a villain though, people seem to like it.
Pretty sure when I went to WB world or whatever as a kid they had one of those 15min live shows of it. Jestskis and a few explosions. Surly it can't be thst unpopular.
That was the first that came to mind, but I didn't know it was very hated, just thought it bombed at the box office opening weekend because it was in competition with another movie that was way more popular.
Lots of people love to hate Cloud Atlas. I see it as flawed work of art with a good message and an amazing cast, produced under such nearly impossible circumstances that we are more than lucky it ever saw the light of day.
It needed to be like 4 hours longer to capture the feel of the book. Some of the actors didn’t have the range to pull off all their parts which caused some sequences to fall flat. It’s still good though, I remember hearing a lot of positive things about it.
I absolutely loved Cloud Atlas and I was crying at the end. I didn't know anything about it, didn't know about the book, didn't know it was hated until now. Just a movie that I liked the trailer for, so I watched it and I'm glad I did.
Not universally hated by any means. But there are plenty of people that expect a movie to fit a certain Hollywood formula, which includes not challenging your audience too much. And so they judge movies by standards that an epic artistic endeavor like Cloud Atlas was never trying to meet.
Also the whole "gender- and race-bending" made some people uncomfortable, even though it's merely the same actors portraying completely different characters.
Add to this that certain influential studio voices in Hollywood had previously rejected the project outright when they were first approached by the Wachowskis. So it was clear they would never give it a fair shake after it was produced in Europe, against their judgment and without their blessing, and under such unconventional circumstances.
I can watch really bad movies as long as the score is good, and cloud atlas has a banger score. How they weave the different timelines while playing that music really does it for me. I've watched it a few times and now that you reminded me I'll probably watch it again soon.
The concept behind Cloud Atlas made for a much better movie than book, IMHO.
Having the same actor play the same part in each time made following the plot easier, at least for me. The book was a bit of a slog at times and following each characterization was confusing.
Plus some of the casting in the movie was really good. Jim Brodbent in particular, I thought, delivered a spectacularly good performance.
Having the same actor play the same part in each time made following the plot easier, at least for me.
This is what I expected to see on first watch, and was a bit confused that at least some actors did actually "switch sides" between timelines. Going by interviews, it seems this was possibly meant to reflect an evolution of souls.
But to me the message of the movie works just as well, if not better, if you leave out the concept of persistence of souls or individuals altogether, accept that some of them just look similar, and think more in terms of repeating patterns and ideas across eras.
Jim Brodbent in particular, I thought, delivered a spectacularly good performance.
Hard agree. His contemporary and light-hearted "shady publicist to nursing home jail break" plotline also really worked well to ground the movie in between epic-dramatic segments.
The things you mention are narrative elements. The message is repeated almost like a mantra throughout the movie, and later revealed or summarized as the 'prophetic' words of Son-Mi:
Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.
This is the core thesis of the movie, standing in direct opposition to the various antagonists' ideology, which can be summed up as self-serving nihilism, and upholding the status quo of might makes right / "natural order" by any means.
The mid-2000s A-Team movie comes to mind. It was terrible. The casting was off and there was no real plot to speak of. However, it was so much over the top that it turned pretty funny actually. I probably won't be watching it a second time though.
Murdoch was dead on. I thought face was pretty good. Liam did a decent Hannibal and BA was fine.
What irked me was this weird back story of like... trying to let face taking over to lead the group sort of thing, plus the romance. It really rubbed me the wrong way.
Like, the A team isn't some club, they're this perfect storm of chaos towards bad guys, there isn't so much a hierarchy as just this inexplicable plot armor and audacity. If it wasn't all four it would all fall apart.
Man I'd forgotten about that film but I also really enjoyed it. It was fully self aware and made no attempt to take itself seriously, and if you're in the right mindset for that then it's a great time.
SOLO - I know everyone hated on this film, but we get a space western mixed with a heist movie. Woody Harrelson and Donald Glover are icing on the cake. Plus we get a robot uprising. 5 bags of popcorn and throw in a couple of those Darth Vader cups.
I don't think this is really a hot take. I know quite a few star wars fans and most of them (including me) love Solo, even those who can't stand any of the other new movies.
I did like Solo, but can't but feel it would have been better had the main character not been Han Solo, because nobody was really going to live up to Harrison Ford in the originals.
For me: The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, by far the best ST stuff ever made, I couldn't take seriously the original universe with the dated effects and stiff acting, same goes for NG... These movies did ST actually great looking and much more believable, not just the effects.
Dude if in universe they talk about hyper advanced races or warlords without mercy or AI and all the have is actors in shitty make up or awful "martial arts" and sword fighting, then the new movies are better by default. It's about immersion
The original super Mario bros movie from the 90s. If I come across it I always get the urge to watch it. Its so weird and interesting, love it. Noone in my family will watch it though they hate it :(
This is mine too. If you haven't, look up the drama on set! The crew wore shirts stating they hate the directors, the actors were drunk, Haskins broke his leg and was in a cast most of the time (rumored to have been run over on set by another drunk actor, lol).
It's insane and crazy that we got a movie so fun (seriously, it's just so fun even if it doesn't adhere to the source material).
My gal hates it because she's a huge fan of the book and apparently they did the whole of it pretty dirty. One of those, "it's fine if you weren't hoping to see anything that made the book unique" type movies.
Me and my wife went to see it and really liked it. Unfortunately I think we were the only couple in the theater at the time. I don’t think it was marketed very well at all by Disney.
Honestly I think people hate it because they called it Jurassic World instead of Jurassic Park 4, so Lizard brain sees it as an enemy of Jurassic Park.
I made the mistake of watching dude wheres my car again recently. I enjoyed it as a kid, but the way that trans charcter was done really upset me. I entirely forgot she existed in the movie, but a cis actress who was dubbed with a cis man voice was used to trick the main charcters into making out and then played as gross out humor. Her whole storyline was just flat out upsetting stereotypes.
The tattoo scene is still a total gem, but the rest of it aged so poorly.
I don't hate Tank Girl for what it is but for what it could have been. Like that was the greatest casting imaginable for Tank Girl in any era of film and the soundtrack was magical at the time. It had so much potential but got lost due to budget and film industry input
Terminator Genesys. It's loathed by terminator fans for a variety of reasons and I won't defend any of the writing or casting decisions, but I do give it credit for trying to do something new with the story and time aspect. I think it could have been a lot better if they took a bit more time with it and recast a few characters, but overall it's a popcorn flik to me, turn your brain off and enjoy.
I'm taking a big risk after experiencing your last post, but... I actually really loved Prometheus. Alien is in my top 5 movies list, but I still enjoyed it.
I notice that a big percentage of "hated" movies tie in with existing fan-bases. New movies in existing franchises, book adaptations, etc. Guess people go in with certain expectations and hate it when those are not met.
I didn't know Prometheus was supposed to tie in with the Alien series (which I loved), so I had no expectations related to that. I enjoyed the movie and I was surprised at the end to see what looked like a Xenomorph.
That being said, I also have my share of movies I hated because they didn't live up to my expectations from the books. I love the Harry Potter movies, but I was disappointed by how much they left out. I couldn't watch The Expanse past the first couple of episodes because of how much was changed. And then there's Foundation, which so ridiculously misses the mark that I'm able to enjoy as a series that just happens to share a title and some character names with the books, but is otherwise an unrelated story.
I will give massive props to Riddley for taking a big risk and pushing into a new direction. I suspect massive meddling by the studios. Prometheus had a lot of interesting concepts that just never got a chance to be fleshed out fully. My guess Covenant was going to be the response to that but something happened between the two movies because Covenant is completely divorced thematically and story wise from Prometheus. I'm sorry Riddley never got a chance to live out this interesting new universe.
I don't get the hate for it. It's weird, tense, spooky and exciting with good looking scenes and interesting characters.
It's not a perfect film by any stretch but I goddamn love a psychopathic robot any day.
I don't like the thesis of the movie. It had everything going for it, but the script. Ridley Scott seems to not like scientists seeing as how every scientist dies an ironic death.
The most widely hated thing about it is the mocap. Not much to say here, I'm just straight-up not bothered by it. I think it looks fine. It's not incredibly expressive like a stylized animated film could be, but it doesn't look actively bad to me in any way.
The way the titular express inexplicably gains and loses rolling stock scene by scene and behaves in absurd ways like bending around the mountain are a common punchline. "BuT iT's A mAgIc TrAiN!!!" doesn't really solve it for me either. But on a casual viewing it's mostly inoffensive. A silly curiosity.
Some say the plot of the film spends too much time aimlessly noodling around and throwing in needless filler scenes. Meh. If you ask me that's where all the meat of the film is. The actual plot of the film has nothing interesting to say. "Kid doesn't believe in Santa. Magic Christmas hijinks ensue. Kid believes in Santa now. The end." Riveting. Nah, the so-called "filler" is absolutely the meal here.
The fact that the film literally has five named characters, and the main character isn't one of them is hilarious. To even get to that number you have to count both the Scrooge puppet and the kid who the elves were monitoring in a single scene as characters, and after that, one of the remaining three is Santa Claus. Just more weight to my point that the story doesn't matter, lmao.
Say what you will about the animation, but the cinematography is incredible. So many dynamic long-track camera shots from interesting angles. Especially whenever the steam locomotive is on screen. God, steam locomotives are so fucking cool. I don't even care that it's full of inaccuracies if you actually look up close. They put a lot of effort into it and that effort shows. It's quite the treat.
The set design of the North Pole is fantastic. It's admittedly kinda fucked that it's modeled after a real world Pullman company town, but I guess it's appropriate as a joke about the whole Santa's workshop thing while also incorporating a neat little nod to real life railroad lore. Beyond that, it's blindingly radiant of all that Victorian-era charm that most of the modern secular Christmas tradition is born from. The serene night snow amidst the rustic red brickwork illuminated by glowing amber gaslamps... augh, it's so aggressively cozy!
All the pneumatic and other steampunk-adjacent elf tech is a treat as well. The film is certainly no slouch in breathing its own unique spin of whimsy into Santa's toy factory. It's not the most whimsical out there, but it's definitely putting in work.
Alan Silvestri's score is phenomenal. It's all delightfully extra. Every single song in the film that's an original composition is a banger and every song that isn't an original composition for the film is part of that time-tested canon of hits from the 50s and 60s. I think a lot of people are fed up sick of the latter but, I dunno, I grew up listening to them on my Now That's What I Call Christmas CD, and to me their sound is synonymous with that warm, nostalgic holiday cheer I get from the season. Even if I don't get around to actually watching the movie, you know damn well I'm putting The Polar Express's soundtrack in my December shuffle.
Genuine S tier Christmas film. Well worth every single fault.
That movie feels more ridiculous every time I watch it. I still like it though. One thing that's always stuck out to me is the sound design. You practically don't even need to literally watch it, the soundstage is so detailed that it's practically like I'm there just by hearing it. All the little grunts and rattles of the train just so fucking cool
It's funny, I hadn't watched it since I was a kid and it was on at my families house by chance during Christmas, I could not get through how uncanny valley it all looks.
Green Lantern. I went in expecting cartoony quips and got what I expected. Everyone calls it a stupid movie like they went in expecting Shakespeare and found the Muppets. I went in expecting a live action comic book, and yeah that's pretty much what I got. Fun show, watched it a few times now.
My only real problem with it is that despite being all-woman led, it fails to be a feminist movie because Chris Hemsworth steals every scene he is in! Other than that it was fine. Not great but watchable
Sometimes you just have to turn off expectations towards the story and accept that a movie is worth watching because it is pretty. I first learned this lesson with Speed Racer, but Valorian is another big title for me that falls into this category.
I really like Wild Wild West, I didn't watch it for forever because of how hated it is/was but thought it was actually funny and enjoyed the mix of steampunk and goofyness. Kevin Kline is always great.
I also like Jingle All the Way and watch it every few years, it's perfectly watchable until the very end when it collapses under a terrible CGI spectacle that just doesn't work
You asked for one, but I've got two hills to die on, sorry.
Solo: A Star Wars Story was a lot of fun and I thought it was a solid entry. I didn't really like the Sequels or Prequels, but Rogue One and Solo both stuck out as good titles to me.
Lightyear was a good movie. I really enjoyed it and didn't really understand why it got so much flak.
Solo is a great movie. I know it tried a little too hard to answer every question ever about Solo’s backstory, but apart from a clunk here and there, it’s exactly what the idea of “A Star Wars Story” should have been. I would have signed up for more.
I thought it was absolutely hilarious satire, and I laughed at the entire movie. Everyone told kept telling me to be quiet, but I just couldn’t stop laughing.
It was wonderfully self-aware, and it tore it itself to shreds.
Yeah, I wasn't that excited about the idea of sequel in the first place, mostly because I didn't think there was much point to one. So when I saw Resurrections I was actually pleasantly surprised, and genuinely enjoyed the different tone and lamposting of the dumbness of unnecessary sequels.
The parts where its clear they were forced to make the video game movie or someone else would is great. The rest is... not good imo. Neo uses the force push every 30 seconds and solves all of his problems.
The Lynch movie is what the characters will always look like in my head. I liked the Syfy miniseries too (which I watched shortly after reading the books). And I also like the new movies.
I walked out after part 1 saying, “What did I learn in that movie that I didn’t learn in the first half of the other one?” I mean, the new one is nicer to look at, but the first 2 parts already out cover the 84 version in like 3x the run time!
I honestly thought Morbius was a breath of fresh air for ditching the "Self-aware, meta, woke!" trends that MCU was chasing and just told a dark transhumanist story with super heroish themes.
Like I'd rather watch Morbius again than most of the MCU films made Post-End Game.
And Warcraft really wasn't a bad movie at all, it was just bitten by the "Anything that is in the Fantasy Genre is automatically a LOTR ripoff!" bug that had been going around for awhile.
If it had came out around the time when audiences stopped caring about what critics think (Sonic's 2020 film seems to be where that started), it would have done a lot better (Sonic leading the way for video game movies being taken seriously also would have helped)...
Hell if Warcraft (2016) had come out in 2020, that would have been after Blizzard's fall from grace ("Don't you guys have phones? No? Time to shit all over the WoW lore and ruin Overwatch then!"), meaning that people would probably
Finally, I'm still firmly in the camp that in 10 years people will come around on the sequels like they did for the prequels (Last Jedi might still be considered the "Not as good" one admittedly). I can't say the same about the various "Franchise fatigue? What's that?" shows that Disney kept keeps greenlighting though.
"Alcolyte was a good show, but no one saw it? Damn, time to release Skeleton Crew I guess!"
I’m sure the films would have been far far far better received if they hadn’t completely trashed almost every single character trait that had been established over decades and decades of world building. He took an established ip and tore it to bits to make a film. If he’d have given the characters different names no one would’ve known it was a Star Trek film. The new films have literally no continuity with all that came before. I think that’s where the hate comes from.
I don’t think Red One deserved the hate it got. I know everyone is getting tired of Marvel and the Rock, but I thought applying a Christmas theme to the tropes was actually refreshing.
Like not a great movie, but way more watchable than the last few Capeshit flicks I’ve seen.
The Rock decided that Republicans buy too much of his shitty tequila to risk taking a stand against things like Actual Fascism right around the same time I got fucking exhausted of seeing him everywhere. I’m done with that meathead.
I did not know anyone really hated that movie, watched it and recommended it to some people. Yeah, the rock not doing it great, but it was a solid film imo, it was an interesting and funny twist on winter mythos.
Not great, not worthy of a sequal, but solid.
Same; I've heard nothing but good things about it. My cousin raved about it for so long on Christmas that I downloaded a copy and streamed it from my phone to my aunt's TV. Everyone loved it.
Was genuinely surprised to see it rated so low. I enjoyed it at least as much as Not Another Teen Movie. I appreciated all the fast quips and it being a satire of a cheerleader movie while simultaneously being a cheerleader movie.
I like Ad Astra. People hate it because they view it as a shitty scifi with lots of plot holes, but I view it from the perspective of brad pitt is actually in therapy in hypnosis or whatever to address the issues he has with his father, and the movie is really the journey through his mind and all the roadblocks and barriers he's built up internally. Then the plot holes seem reasonable and less relevant.
Cats (2019). The story is good, the music is good, the casting is good. People made it a huge meme cause of the CGI, but even that is pretty well done. It has a beautiful story, and if you're a pet lover like me, it really makes you emotional. Its also fucking insane. The entire time you watch it, you just go "people spent years of their life and millions to make this". Its a very surreal experience. I've also haven't met a person who has watched the movie and didn't like it.
To be fair, I haven't met anyone who has watched the movie
I was a fan of the musical long before the movie, and the movie was meh. The celebrity performances ranged from yuck to average, and the attempts at added humor were way off.
But I can't see how it could be translated into a movie much better (I missed Growltiger's last stand, and felt Beautiful Ghosts detracted from Memory as the emotional peak). Dancers in tights would look ridiculous (and we have the 1998 "movie" for that), and any more realistic cats would remove what little remains of the physicality on film.
So no issues with the maligned CGI, would watch again, no match for the adorably ridiculous stage show.
Freddy Got Fingered! I laughed until my sides hurt. I don't even care for Tom Green's street material all that much, but that movie is hilarious and I will defend it.
It's batshit insane, the bits are infectious, and every scene is memorable as fuck. The soundtrack is insanely good as well. There's a theory that he didn't want to make this movie, and it's a giant middle finger to the studio. Not only do I believe this, but I think Tom Green really carried that bit all the way, making one of the most ridiculous comedies of all time.
A lot of Star Trek fans didn't like them. Star Trek trends more towards, "traditional," sci-fi, which is more focused on exploring scientific and philosophical concepts in fiction (think Jules Verne or Isaac Asimov). What Abrams produced was basically just an action movie in a futuristic setting. It's sorta like how, even though Star Wars is set in an advanced galactic civilization, it has more in common with the fantasy genre than traditional sci-fi.
That doesn't necessarily mean classic Star Trek is better or smarter than the Abrams movies or Star Wars. In fact, a lot of Star Trek is cheesy, dated, and kinda dumb (and not just the original series; even TNG has a lot of cringe in it). However, it does mean that the Abrams films were a pretty big genre shift that put a lot of fans off.
I enjoy both. The original series is so dated (buttons, knobs, switches, and lights on the control panels? Pffff) that even as a fan I find it hard to look at.
No one seemed to take the show that seriously. I don't think anyone had a clue it would turn into a whole franchise, and the acting is so hammy I can't stand looking at a lot of the scenes.
All that said that even old start tell movies were more action oriented than a typical episode plot. (Except for maybe the first movie, which unless I'm remembering wrong literally was almost a carbon copy of an episode)
a lot of Star Trek is cheesy, dated, and kinda dumb (and not just the original series; even TNG has a lot of cringe in it).
One my nerdiest habits is to watch old sci-fi content, especially if it was considered high brow and intelligent for its days, and chuckle at outdated science, disproven hypothesis, and people in the future using technology considered outdated in present.
Star Trek (especially earlier episodes) is a goldmine for this as Kirk is shown test a file with his ESP test results (It was taken very seriously at the time, and still would have its vocally mainstream supporters as recently as the mid-90s. Now it goes back and forth between being considered fringe with some mild evidence that may support it and being entirely written off as complete nonsense or in other words, PSI is bunk), and Spock is seen using what is basically an abacus.
Though I think my favorite "Science goof" on the show, is when tribbles are said to be bisexual instead of hermaphroditic. Simply because I'm literally autistic and still think "lol gay" is funny.
Trekkies didn't like them for being too "Star Wars" of an approach to Star Trek, but people looking for a good sci-fi romp that just happens to have the Star Trek name on it liked them.
Basically "They put breasts and lesbians in Citizen Kane to keep modern audiences from falling asleep, now old people hate it."
Personally I was never that into Star Trek to begin with but I completely understand the need to "Star Wars it up" a little for a Modern Trek movie
I mean TOS is pretty good if you like old sci-fi (and I do) and quite dry if you don't (but that's just 60's media in general, the line between "Play" and "TV" was still being figured out), TNG is a mixed bag (When it's good it's an unforgettable must watch, DS9 is THE ABSOLUTE GOAT AND I WILL DO NOTHING BUT PRAISE IT! I'd worship the ground Armin Shimmerman walks on if I didn't think the Ferengi would charge to make me pay for the privilege, and Voyager and beyond (Shows currently running on Paramount+ included) you want nothing to do with. (Protip: Don't namedrop influential figures who are still alive as "people honored as gods in the future", you'll look really stupid when everyone's kissing Elon Musk's ass on your show as being the "Greatest Mind of his time" but then he buys twitter a week later and declares the Federation to be a Woke Mindvirus ran by socialist transgender money-stealers who do evil unAmerican things like try to feed the poor and judge people based on the content of their character instead of the color of their skin. Especially when it becomes common knowledge that he's the unsexy version of a himbo, and his staff constantly tries to keep him away from the engineers for fear his idiocy will waste their time and/or get them fired)
Voyager especially pisses me off, because how do you steal the premise of Red Dwarf (marooned in space with no way to get home, and getting into shenanigans hoping to find the way back), only decide not to make it a parody, and the result is, I still manage to take Dave Lister more seriously as a character than Janeway?
Lower Decks is okay when it's not being overly self-referential, when it isn't it's a worthy successor to Red Dwarf as far as "Comedy with relatable idiots IN SPACE!" goes, when it is it's like "Hey, remember on Star Trek when [CHARACTER] did [THING]?" and wondering why that in and of itself isn't a joke.
This is kind of a cheat, as it's been significantly re-evaluated since its release, so I'm not alone, but IMO Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me is a masterpiece - it was HATED when it came out though, and even now I suspect there's a lot of people who would say the same.
Trap - Absolutely ridiculous movie with an insane plot. Basically a promo for the director's daughter to launch a pop star career IRL. It should be distasteful, and it is, however it was such dumb fun I'm ignoring all of those bad points.
I don't think I've seen it since in came out, in that era when Tom Green was at the too of his career and i was a teenager. I'm curious how it holds up now, but I have a feeling that I won't enjoy it anymore.
I've only ever read negative opinions of the movie in online communities. I suppose the types of communities I'm a part of aren't indicative of the general public, case in point, Lemmy.
So many. For an example, the Star Wars Sequels (and Prequels). I think they were fine. Okay, 8 dropped a bit and had a lot of bad moments, but altogether, they were enjoyable. I had fun watching them.
Are they Oscar worthy? No. Not at all, not by a long shot, but I had fun.
I think we as a society are way too polar, it's either good or bad, trash or perfect. I think we've lost sight that things can simply be good, or fun. I had fun watching those movies. I don't think Rise of Skywalker wasted my time. Could it have been better? Of course. Was the writing lazy? Definitely at times. Did I enjoy watching it? Yes.
Overall, I tend to just be happy to be watching anything star wars. None of the movies are that deep, I'm just in it to watch space wizards with laser swords flying around in space ships with robot sidekicks battling evil. As long as most of those boxes get checked, I'm pretty happy with any star wars media, and in my mind I'm right back to being a little kid watching Star wars for the first time. Anything more is just icing on the cake.
Now I can absolutely rank them and admit that some of them are better movies than others, and the sequels and prequels definitely drop the ball on that in a lot of ways
And while on the whole, the sequels and prequels aren't great movies (arguably the OT aren't even great movies if we're being totally objective) I think that in a lot of ways they do a better job at universe building by dropping hints at other parts of the galaxy that we don't get to explore right then and there, they just do a shitty job of following through on them and tying them together into a coherent narrative.
I think that just about any part of episode 8 for example could have been expanded out into a pretty cool movie or show, there was a lot to work with there, they just didn't work together as the same movie
The force dyad thing between Rey and Kylo is pretty fucking cool
Casino heist or spycraft movies are a pretty tried and true movie formula, I probably would have saved it for something like a Solo movie, or maybe Andor. The stuff about the military industrial complex profiting off of selling weapons to both sides could work for either of them. Han is from Cornelia, where the arms dealers are building a lot of these battleships and such, and it's also established that he's a gambler so a casino makes sense for him, or Andor could work well with the gritty political side of things.
Fucking broom kid! Let's get more non-jedi non-sith force sensitives
Finn was just criminally underutilized all-around
The Holdo maneuver was pretty fucking badass
You can argue about how the bombing run doesn't make sense from a physics perspective, or was tactically stupid, but it was a cool scene nonetheless
I could go on, I think you could build out a pretty decent movie, show, or at least an episode or two of a show from any of those ideas if they just committed to the idea
It's not hated, it's squarely in the middle of 'video game movies' (so probably lower than middle to the general public) but one of my favorite movies, far and away my favorite video game movie, is 'Rampage' with Dwayne Johnson and Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
I can't fathom how anyone could not enjoy that flick.
I also genuinely enjoyed 'the crew' (2002?) which most people seem to dislike (it was around 15% on rotten tomatoes last I checked)
Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker is a great movie.
I don’t care what anyone else says. My son and I have rewatched the ST many times now. I really don’t see that much of a problem with the writing and direction of each film.
It has one of my favourite space-opera scenes ever in the cavalry charge across the hull of a star destroyer! Other than it was at best okay but that scene was ridiculous in the best way!
Took me a half hour but I finally figured out to get your missing limb back:
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At least it shows up correctly in Photon.
Edit: Well, crap. It does NOT show up correctly in the default UI. LMAO.
Also I didn't downvote you but it's hard to understand what you like about Rise. I'm not asking you to defend it but could you highlight a few things that make it a good movie for you?
I had to look it up to remember the name, but Agent F.O.X. It's one of those cheapo 3D kids films (looks original instead of being a rip-off and actually looks good animation wise) that is cheesy. Sometimes it's good to watch B-rate 3D kids films so you can die of how cringe it is, despite from what I can remember the movie not being 100% cringe like 99% of all cheap 3D kids films (but still cringe).
Oh, man, where to start. I mean, the Kelvin Trek movies are definitely not the best Trek, but I do enjoy all of them. But speaking of contrarian appreciation, I think most of Star Trek Discovery is also pretty solid, barring perhaps the very last season.
I'm partial to Lynch's Dune, too. Maybe I just got used to it over time?
In the least hip stance possible, I actually think there are very few bad Marvel movies and most are worth at least a cheerful watch (not you, Doctor Strange 2, you suck).
Discovery was such a waste of potential. They kept killing off the interesting characters and promoting the least interesting ones. Then the secret to saving the universe one season was rescuing a crying lonely alien. 🙄
He was more the cause of the end of the world than the solution, but yeah.
I thought it was... fine? I mean, not the most well rounded thing in Trek history, but fine.
Discovery suffered from being just fine after having to deal with massive backlash for trying to be different. That and carrying a season-long arc while trying to be a Trek TV show in between the movie bits.
But I would absolutely watch any of the first four seasons of Disco than any part of Picard. Any day. Season five is a mess and I really don't vibe with their take on spirituality, but that's mostly just me.
There is nothing to get. It is even more basic than philosophy 101, yet it thinks it is some sort of insightful writing. It is cringe and embarrassing, kinda like a 15yo who just read a reddit post on /r/philosophy and then got high and wrote a movie script.
I do think it is a "so bad, it is actually good" kind of movie. It is almost like a sarcastic movie, making fun of pretentious movies. Maybe this will become the narrative in the future, especially once Coppola is dead.
It will become a cult classic, but not for the reasons Coppola wants.
I personally didn’t think Kraven was a ‘good’ movie but I at least had a great time watching it in all its weirdness, where Madam Web was just a slog for me