I find that title to be wholly innaccurate.
There were also women on the force, so it was 376 boys and girls in blue sat around and let 19 kids and 2 teachers die.
Well, 375. There was that one asshole who shouted "Do you need our help?" to which a hiding child responded "Yes we need help!" and was subsequently shot by the gunman
That person actively caused a child to die.
Don't forget the one cop that wanted to help but was held back and prevented from entering (I think his wife was a teacher or something)
Their pronouns are cop/cops (or pig/pigs), so their gender should be irrelevant in this case.
"do you need help?"
"Nah we're good, call back next week maybe"
What kind of idiotic ass fucking question was that?
Also that one guy was busy drinking water from the fountain
boys and girls in blue
How about we clarify that as: little boys and little girls in blue.
Altho TBF, women in blue are typically at the bottom of the chain, and almost certainly deserve the least amount of critique here, whilst the highest ranking dudes unquestionably deserve all the shit in the world for directly ordering their forces not to make any meaningful attempt.
Missing in the picture: a second track with no one tied on it.
That switch stops trolley
376 armed cowards keeping a bunch of parents from rescuing their kids... and what changed? nuthin.
so gross
Nothing changed because Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there. After that tragedy. There should be no more question that it’s a cult.
If it helped, they then tried to sue/harass the families after being called out.
Wait that didn't actually help at all
Here in Denmark a crazed man attacked the Fields shopping center with a couple of hunting rifles. The first time something like this happened in a very long time.
Danish armed police had a quick response time. Loads of dudes with in full body armour and MP-5s guarding every main exit while other guys went inside to clear out the civilians and hunt the shooter down.
The sniper equipped helicopter circling the shopping center spotted the shooter coming out of a service door and he subsequently got caught.
I think in total only 5 people died, which was from the short period when the guy started shooting.
All the right wing gun addicts from America were chest thumping and table banging, shouting all over social media that this somehow was an example that gun laws don't work. However, considering this happened within a short period after the school shooting in America, all it truly did was make American police look like a bad joke.
As much as ACAB, I can admit that sometimes an armed response is necessary. It sounds like you danes have a well trained force, rather than some 6 week academy psychos with a hard-on for violence.
Cops aren't really bastards in Denmark. Oh sure, you'll find anti establishment types everywhere; there certainly is no love for the police in Christiania. However, the overall opinion of Danish citizens towards the police is positive. In Denmark people genuinely feel safer seeing a policeman on the street.
Police in Copenhagen are also friendly; unless they're in the middle of something, you can, as a citizen or a tourist, walk up to one and ask them questions.
Police do carry pistols in Denmark, but someone just starting their career in law enforcement isn't immediately given a gun until they've had a good job record and proper training for a few years. The amount of paperwork a cop has to go through for even suggesting they'll pull their gun is staggering.
It's exactly because our police are a cult that we need armed citizens.
Holy shit, I thought it was double digits. How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
Some of them tried and were actively prevented from doing it by other Officers. The whole situation is actually worse than most people realize.
Because it's a group of narcissists. They were too worried about themselves. None of them had the courage to say "I'm willing to not go home tonight so these kids can."
Actually I'd bet that a bunch said that, but didn't actually do anything about it.
This is what pisses me off the most. 376, and you can't storm the room? 376? And you refuse to trade one for any of those children who needed protecting? These are supposedly the hard calculations they have to make and they all unilaterally chose themselves? Enforcers will always be useless to anybody but the property owners. They aren't actually here to protect anybody. They should have made the call, and traded 20 of themselves so those kids didn't have to die. Thats the hard call we expect these "hard asses" to make.
Non-peaceful demonstrators
I scoff every time a cop on a TV show is like "I joined the force to save lives and make a difference" because it's painfully obvious that this is pretty much never the case in reality.
They joined the force because it has the best job security next to CEOs in the US.
And because they weren’t too smart, as per the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
They didn't specify "which lives" or "what differences". We can make some guesses, but I don't think we'd like their answers.
Yeah but it doesn't sound as good like, "I joined the force to get away with beating my wife after pissing my Punisher logo boxers at work."
What's the point of all that military gear they're wasting tax payer money on then? Fascist cosplay?
If they are actually fascists then it isn't cosplay though.
They will be using all that firepower to keep "certain people" from getting to vote.
That's for unarmed minorities that get out of line.
Too bad the shooter wasn't black. The cops weren't trained for this.
This is a cop problem, not a gun problem. All the guns were working, including the shooter's. The cops saw fit to take their lunch hour instead of working.
This is a cop problem, not a gun problem. All the guns were working, including the shooter’s. The cops saw fit to take their lunch hour instead of working.
This. Specifically it's a "police do not have a duty to protect" problem, that stems from a series of court cases going back to at least the 80s.
Really enraging to have all those Punisher logos juxtaposed with their cowering and pants pissing.
Uvalde is majority-minority. If cops went in, more kids probably would've died.
That's tongue-in-cheek gallows humor but sadly not too far off from reality.
I get what you're alluding to, but actually the cops yelled out that they were there and for any children hiding to come out (obviously well before they'd neutralized the shooter) and the kids who responded and came out of their hiding places were shot dead because the cops were too cowardly (or busy checking their Facebook feed based on video evidence) to actually protect these innocent 5-10 year olds. I have a child in that age range and my blood starts boiling even discussing this topic.
Let us not forget that these wannabe police even arrested parents who were willing to rush into danger to protect their children. That's all they were good for on this day.
If we're playing "what if", my made up story is that they rushed in with 300 cops and nobody died.
But the reality is they did NOTHING.
I recall a conservative news segment where the "jounalist" and "expert" had discussed that the kids should have rushed the shooter and overwhelmed him. Doesn't matter they were 6-7 they should have stepped up and stopped it all.
Meanwhile, the actual people gained to do that wouldn't, despite overwhelming numbers
"Hey kid, it's up to you to stop another acute manifestation of the US' problem with guns"
So grow up and make harsher gun laws?
I think that's actually one of the few ways that could work out well.
Gaslighting or, pardon the pun, disarming what actually could be done in government to prevent this from happening in the future is despicable. It's epitomizes the modern understanding of the US Republican party. The government can't fix anything: it's the citizens' responsibility for systemic problems.
Conservatives, what the hell happened
More like it’s yet more proof that you cannot rely on the police to protect you.
Yeah none of those guns were actually "in the school" because thin blue line means
copscowards above anyone else. They won't risk their lives for you.The Supreme Court ruled like a decade ago that cops DO NOT have a constitutional right to protect you. A cop can literally watch you get stabbed to death in the streets, and they are not obligated to help or stop it. Let that sink in.
NOT have a constitutional
rightto protect you.Duty* actually. They can if they want but they don't have to.
Small, yet big, difference.
That should be obvious based on the fact that they only respond to crimes that have already occurred. By their own nature, they're completely reactionary.
Cop's first priority is themselves. If it's convenient, they might help others.
Cops refuse to show up on my methhead neighbors - they have weapons. But when my (then) husband wanted to evict my little unarmed 5’3” butt from the house I’d lived in for the past seven years, after physically beating me to the point I wasn’t really cogent, they sent a whole riot squad to pick me up.
Well, they would be scared to deal with armed tweakers, and then they would have to arrest them and file a bunch of paperwork, show up in court, yada yada yada.
Evicting you was just a fun thing to do that presented zero risk and had minimal paperwork.
It’s crazy that police enjoy the massive public support they do. People are dumb, and police shows on tv do a number on dumb people.
From all my internet lurking I discovered that America is a country almost beyond redemption, or at least some states.
I always wonder if it is really that bad or am I just hearing the usual ‘my country bad’ talk like anyone does but the news point to the first one basically every time. I can only assume it is mostly true and sympathise.
As someone who lives in middle eu capital city and has proverbial 4 houses it is all quite mind blowing. I feel like I live in completely different reality and I am grateful for it every day.
It’s however very painful to hear all you just plain suffering. Maybe that’s why my mind goes ‘it’s probably exaggerated’ it can’t be that bad can it be?
It’s a strange contrast living in the US sometimes. My personal life is pleasant and I work to keep it that way. I like where I work and I see multiple good doctors on a regular basis. But I’ve had plenty of my own troubles over the past 5 years too.
…but I also have eyes. I see the same crazy shit you do, and furthermore I have enough personal acquaintances to know that the crazies we both read about are fully serious and indoctrinated.
So, I wouldn’t say that the suffering is exaggerated, just that it isn’t ubiquitous. It’s a big place. Millions are doing OK while millions of others are getting beat down by life.
“If it bleeds, it leads”. Yes, we have some things that are just not right, and sometimes horrible tragedies, more often than a modern country should. But if we keep talking about it, it may seem even worse than it is. Like you, most of us haven’t been impacted by school shootings, but yeah
So honest question. Do you know anyone who’s been threatened with gun violence? Because as an American my initial response was that it isn’t that bad, but then i thought about the fact that if you answer no to that that would probably be weird to me. Sure I’m rarely in such a position, but from time to time yeah I have to watch myself because I know crazy people who have guns or I know I’m pissing off an armed and violent person by doing something like helping their dv victim escape. The idea that guns wouldn’t be involved in such situations is more foreign to me than initially expected.
So honest question. Do you know anyone who’s been threatened with gun violence? Because as an American my initial response was that it isn’t that bad
I mean, I’m only in my 30’s and I know four people who have been shot. Two were robberies, one was a seemingly random act of violence, and the fourth was due to a domestic dispute. Three are still alive, but that fourth died in his girlfriend’s arms before paramedics arrived. It happened a decade ago, and she still has night terrors from it. And this is in a nice suburb, not someplace full of gangs.
I never worried about anyone having a gun in my life at least not realistically so. I mean I live in pretty safe place. All the bad ppl left 15 years ago for the USA, Britain and so. We are the nation of religious, sometimes toxic hobbits. Worst is social ostracism as that can be really bad in the smaller places if you didn’t vote same as others or you dated same gender. Or didn’t go to the church…
I wish everyone could be a nation of hobbits, that’s like ideal in my eyes
Point is when I hear about knife fights in UK I am like wow brrrr.
Biggest bad news lately in my capital was that some poor woman got sexually assaulted and died a month or three ago while returning from some party at 5 AM sunday which was very shocking. It really was the most disturbing thing.
Everyone is very anti immigrant here though. Even the pro Democratic/leftish Party just legalized shooting at the border to immigrants (in case of aggression). Kinda crazy. I think at this point they simply wouldn’t get elected at all if they were pro immigration. One single, very left party pro immigration has 6% of votes.
It seems that this change in narrative of the pro eu pro democrats helped them win over alt rights but like ya know it’s all super complicated morally. I guess almost 100% of people don’t want (Arabic) immigrants and it is long sailed ship.
I am very conflicted about all it internally. I am not blind what happens when you let culturally and socially distant immigrants en masse but I don’t want those people to suffer either. I don’t blame them for trying to get where is much better place to live but I also don’t want to sacrifice myself for it…
It’s super huge problem and we all gonna have some blood on our hands I reckon if we don’t already have…
Also I remember there being lots of drunk homeless people once long ago but I haven’t seen one in such miserable state at least in a long while. Just realised it now. Long ago I was semi afraid to go to the liquor store because of all the types consuming high powered drinks. Harmless still but it definitely changed. For whatever reason. I hope it is for the good reasons and not the bad ones.
Overall I think we are moving into interesting direction though slowly and a bit bloody at times considering the borders. they are only going to get worse and most have uncanny ability to forget about such things immediately when they accidentally hear about them. We all prefer to pretend it’s all cool and distant or whatever. I myself prefer not to dig into the horrors that must happen there uh
I'm in Canada and don't know anyone I can say for sure has been affected by gun violence or threats of it. I've personally been in a situation where I was trying to make small talk with a wannabe gangster and apparently asking about jobs can be dangerous I guess when they make money from mostly illegal shit and he threatened me until my friend came over and convinced him I'm not an under cover cop. But even that threat was a, "what if I had a piece" rather than "I'm going to shoot you".
I only ever saw or shot bb guns until in my 30s when I did some target shooting in my friend's back yard. He kept his guns all locked up when he wasn't using them, ammo locked separately. Partially for the obvious safety reasons (even though he lived alone), partially because a part of the license is that police are allowed to come and inspect how you are storing your guns. I don't know how often this is used in practice (don't think my friend ever had it happen), but it's a sign that the legal state of guns is very different across the border.
I can't even think of any robberies using violence or threats of violence I have first hand or second hand knowledge of. Theft, yes, but like the "car was left unlocked and someone noticed" or "someone picked an easy to pick lock". That last one happened to me, I figured out who it was and just told him to stop coming around and I'd leave it alone and I never saw the guy again. It might have been a bit dangerous if I wanted satisfaction from the situation, but I think there might have been an equal chance he would have just accepted the L and paid be back for the weed he stole.
Pistols require a seperate license that is much harder to get. For rifles and shotguns, you can get a license as a hunter, recreational shooter, or collector (amateur is fine but you do need to get your hunter license first before you can use it to justify a gun license). There was a gun registry but the conservatives scrapped that the last time they were in power.
For pistols, they are limited to certain professions such as police officer, military (I assume), or professional hunter/trappers who work in bear territory and aren't necessarily carrying a rifle or shotgun ready to go if suddenly confronted by a bear. I believe there's certain self-defense scenarios that allow them (like a proven threat that is difficult to neutralize, like with connections to organised crime).
It's gotta be extreme because carrying anything for self-defense is generally illegal. Like if you have a pocket knife you use to open packages, that's ok, but if you carry that same knife for self-defense purposes, it's an illegal weapon. Some knives like switchblades or butterfly knives that can be deployed with one hand are always illegal.
I think this is a bit much, because knives that don't fold are ok and IMO the question should be more about what scenarios one thinks it is ok to defend themselves with a weapon than having had that consideration at all. That said, the situations where someone might think a weapon is called for but isn't are probably more common that situations where one is necessary to defend oneself. But I digress.
The pretty much ban on pistols I think is what makes the difference. In some states, the risky part of carrying a pistol is about if you use it or if you specifically shouldn't have one (felony or something). In Canada, just carrying it runs the risk of losing it and catching charges, which means that situations where someone would use a hidden pistol in the moment are more likely to have a cool down period while they go get their gun and might realize that it's not worth it or might not be able to find their victim again afterwards.
There is some gang activity but I think even that is way more chill here and any violence is probably more related to score settling than turf control. I get the impression that the cops are more chill about non-violent stuff here, so that could play into the equation in that the risk differential is higher if violence is involved. Or I could be wrong about that because I'm not a minority (but I suspect it's because police violence is investigated (and not just by themselves) and dealt with more consistently here, and the lower likelihood of getting randomly shot probably allows them to be more at ease).
The US is the size of Europe. And good stuff doesn't hit the news very often.
There are clearly bad things that need fixing, but the badness varies from state to state and you’re probably getting a distorted picture regardless.
From all my internet lurking I discovered that America is a country almost beyond redemption, or at least some states
If America is a sum of its states, they are beyond redemption.
If the world is a sum of its countries, we are all beyond redemption.
Imho the whole system is broken and until everyone (worldwide) starts aligning then the world is lost. We aren't there yet.
I used to think a major global catastrophe will fix the system, like world war, or a hostile alien invasion. Then covid happened and we're back to square one in the aftermath, if not worse. I realised there's no fixing it. In my opinion, it's not that we aren't there yet, it's that we will never be 'there'. Having said that, when I say never I speak about our lives or that of our grandchildren, perhaps a few more generations. If humanity survives a few more centuries after that, if not millenia, who knows what could happen.
For some it's an nightmare for some it's just Tuesday.
For the Tuesday folk that doesn't mean they should sit idly and let it happen or even actively encourage it, but that appears to be what they think they're entitled to.
I'm curious how perfect the country you live in is.
It is 8/10 where I live Public transport, edu, health, weather a bit too hot in summer because of city lacking green area but I have this small property 30 km away from city with just pure green everywhere and I smoke joints there and paint in summer.
My flat is barely liveable in summer without AC as it is on the attic.
People are peaceful mostly they just value not drawing attention to themselves and generally you can go alone at night with no problems. Only slightly worse as woman. Probably 50/50 if visibly trans - not sure but I’d wager it would be suprisingly rare considering how religious some ppl are. They will just tell you to fear Jesus or smh or maybe laugh or comment but most likely won’t do anything. Still if there is anyone that should be cautious it’s visibly trans ppl at night but then at night it’s harder to clock a trans woman so that’s that. I guess if you dressed like drag queen and went to the darkest places at night there would be 50/50 chance of some unpleasant or maybe dangerous situation but those bad places aren’t as many here as there were in the past.
Nearest bad place near me got renovated and while we were drinking there extensively late at night in the past, we got tickets for our shitty ways. Most dangerous places seemingly disappeared as the drinkers disappeared and places got revamped.
I guess now that I am on the other end of the stick that’s just pure win instead of „god there’s no more place to drink and make chaos in this neighbourhood, the end is near”
To protect and serve. *
*terms and conditions apply
- capital
Unironically, if we had 376 armed drag queens and furries instead, not nearly as many children would have died.
I feel like the armed drag queens would have absolutely handled the situation expediently. Most I know adore children and have to be brave by default to publicly go against society in such a typically colorful fashion.
Maybe by more guns in school, they meant the kids should carry the guns.
- Kids buy gun
- Take guns to class with them
- Gun industry profits
- ??? 🤷♀️
- World peace
Good thing cops are not legally required to help you in the US, even if you're about to be killed by a criminal.
Neat how they always choose to protect nazi protestors.
It was super apparent with j6. After months of watching protesters get beaten, teargassed, and arrested en masse (among other things) it was absolutely mind blowing to watch the police do the (almost) bare minimum to stop y’all-qeada even when they killed a cop. You would think they were trying to break up a bar fight and not an armed mob.
I expected them to at least treat this violent mob (chanting death threats to the *vice president) attacking the capitol the same as they had every single BLM protest the previous summer, and realistically take that event as more of an attack on our nation and respond in kind.
All summer we saw police around the country absolutely fuck people up, mass arrests, immediate crowd control, but on j6 all of the sudden they weren’t an all powerful, super coordinated crowd stopping machine.
It was infuriating
Came here to say this. The SCOTUS has ruled multiple times that police officers and other agents of the government are only legally obligated to capture criminals, not prevent laws from being broken. A cop can legally watch someone execute someone and as long as they arrest the perpetrator afterwards, they are legally in the clear. Never believe a cop who says they are here to protect you. In a world where the laws are written to protect business interests and cops only have to uphold the law, the cops are nothing more than tax funded corporate enforcers.
"police officers are cowards"
POAC
Shorten it to POC to really piss them off.
ACAC?
I think it would be funny to use "PAC" for "Police Are Cowards" and it will get mistaken for "Political Action Comittee" by some police officer who will then beat up a lobbyist.
Thin blue line outside the school
More like thin yellow line
Apparently guns don't fix the fact that you're basically a fucking coward.
I prefer LARPers with guns, myself. Coward is too good for these roleplayers who couldn't be bothered to use their 6-weeks of training in how to beat black citizens and plant evidence, to take out an active shooter in an elementary school.
We are a people with sociopaths in positions of power, with a license to kill, who feel no empathy toward others enough to ask why they weren't acting to save these kids and teachers. Then to hear that parents were threatened with arrest (maybe actually arrested the mother who jumped a fence and managed to save her son when the cops would do nothing) if they tried to enter and do anything to help those inside.
As a new parent to a kid that will be 5 this year, this shit is my nightmare. When the footage came out showing those scummy wannabes standing around hearing round after round of shots, knowing they were coming from classrooms of children and teachers, who likely were dying with every pop, made me so angry I was practically shaking and weeping. I've never felt that much utter contempt for police in my life. They'd have had to shoot me to keep me out of that school. I can't imagine a more dystopian world than one where the parents were threatened while a gunman mowed down their children for over an hour.
I'm so sorry for the families. They had to bury their children or loved one and live with the image of indifferent cops standing around in the school doing nothing. I would be left wondering which order my kid was shot and could they have been saved with the initial responding officers, or any other fucking one of the 300 and something on scene, doing their job, regardless of who the fuck was in charge. I guess at training these cops all skipped the class about active shooters are bad and can be legally shot.
Not to pick any side in a world conflict, or make anything about this post anymore political, but this is why I have a hard time knowing about the civilian and children lost in Gaza. How the losses make up a disproportionally high number of women and children. I don't give a flying fuck the color of a child's skin or what religion their parents practice, THEY ARE FUCKING CHILDREN, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!
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In an armed force there's a separation between paycheck personnel ("I just work here, may consider myself very cool, but value my life too much") and stormtroopers (can't find another word ; people who actually go and fight). There are issues with having the latter at all, because such people are usually idealistic and inconvenient, and needed only in crises, which won't happen until they do.
How many of those cops are still employed, I wonder...
How many of them are being paid to police schools.
Name those officers.
Apparently the names aren’t public information, for bullshit reasons.
The parents deserve their vengeance.
Okay setting aside whether there should be guns in schools, this argument doesn't make sense. There were, in fact, good guys with guns on the scene. The police prevented them from intervening.
As they should. You don't want to add random gun owners adding chaos to such a scene.
But this could have been prevented by police actually doing the job they were paid for. If they had taken care of the shooter like they should have, the question of other people wanting to enter to do the police' job would never have arisen.
I'm not a native English speaker, but should it be called "anniversary"? I thought it's only for something to be celebrate?
It can be, but anniversary just means the date an event took place.
So an anniversary could be for the day a couple met, or it could be for the day of a loved one’s passing. Either works.
We have no other word for a date remembered yearly.
Probably "memorial"
Defund the police and regulate guns
This reminds me of the over 200 Seattle Washington police officers who quit after the George Floyd protests as a response to calls to "de-fund the police" and the city actually considering it.
Absolutely. Or maybe not defund the police, but train them to actually do their job.
How does every other country tackle this problem 🤔
Fewer guns. Better mental health treatment. Fewer guns. More safety nets. Less extreme poverty. Fewer guns.
You're emphasizing the wrong part, imo. The overall societal negligence of mental health, especially for young males, is the biggest 'fish to fry'. By that I mean the ratio of reduction in gun crime to amount of resources put in is best in addressing that issue head-on, and I feel said issue needs to get a LOT better before that will stop being the case.
After all, what's better: preventing a homicidal person from getting access to a gun, or preventing a person from becoming homicidal in the first place?
I see other people posting about mental health. NZ doesn't have a mass shooting problem. We do have a mental health crisis. What we don't have is guns. Americans always try to make this complicated. It really isn't.
Thing is, there will always be unhinged people. Or people who are very upset or desperate or confused. And generally, we can tell whether any individual person is like that. What you can do is not allow everyone access to machines designed to kill people
Americans always try to make this complicated
Not all of us do though, just enough people are rabid about doing so that we can barely ever make an ounce of progress. It is pretty fucking obvious that millions of guns easily available are the problem. You have to work pretty hard to think otherwise. When Tylenol killed kids overdosing, no one started looking for ways to argue against fixing that issue, we just started looking for ways to reduce kids' access to it because it was a no brainer.
I'm in the U.S. The problem is that violence is almost literally the cornerstone of our culture. The entire prehistory and history of the U.S. starts with violence. Displacing a people, warring with them for centuries to carve out a place in a land that keeps killing settlers. More violence and death as cities are established and more natives are killed. Every other super power at the time killing each other over this land, finally the descendents of the settlers revolting against foreign rule, more war, and a country established on stolen, blood soaked land. Built, fed, and clothed by slaves.
All the whole fighting neighboring descendents of settlers in bloody wars, over stolen land, driven unceasingly by "Manifest Destiny".
More war as the descendents of settlers, now natives to their barely 100 year old country, proceed to kill each other over the right to enslave others, creating a cultural schism that still exists over 150 years later.
Fast forward through two global wars barely 50 years later, and hardly a generation apart, we have global Mutual Assured Destruction doctrine casting a shadow over every single human life for every day since 1962.
An oft forgotten underground sea of violence lies between the fragile crust of civility that supports U.S. society. Even the government itself is adversarial, pitting branch against branch, state against federal, local against state to maintain a balance checked by the threat of violence and anarchy.
Oh, and through it all, an ever present an undercurrent of racism, a miasma permeating the fabric of everything this country was built on and with.
Historically, when it wasn't guns, it was mobs, lynching, firebombing entire towns and neighborhoods, knives, fists, terrorism, crosses set on fire, sundown towns, racist rallies, segregation, cultural warfare, propaganda, economic terrorism and oppression through targeted laws, the prison system, low wages, and the violence inherent in capitalism in general.
Violence has driven, and continues to drive, the vast majority of decisions made in this country.
tl;dr analogy: The guns are the polar bear sitting on the melting iceberg. The violence inherent in U.S. culture is the ever rising global average temperature, and we're not even pretending to address the violence.
If they had ONE more gun or ONE more officer they could have saved ALL those kids! Which is why we need to take MORE money out of Education and INTO Police Officers Bank Accounts!
Technically the guns were outside the school
Came here to say this. Perhaps if they'd been inside, the outcome would have been different.
There is no fixing that collective of cowards and abusers.
This tradegy and the handling of it makes me so fucking mad. I feel so unreasonably pissed this is part of the world we created.
I wish I had an outlet.
Right now if the police force didn't get their badges from a cracker jack box the procedure is pretty simple. You go in and shoot any one with a gun that's not an officer. You start arming citizens in the school and it is more difficult. These guys can't handle more difficult they are still trying to figure out what end of the paper bag let's them out.
"Final proof that more guns in you schools will not keep our kids safe" - wasn't the problem that the guns weren't in the school, rather they were standing in front of it?
Cops not being willing to defend you or your kids is another great reason to arm yourself.
Sounds like the guns weren't in the schools. They were out. You're implying that had they been in the school, we wouldn't have had the same level of tragedy.
No, it doesn't prove that guns in school won't solve the problem.
It proves you can't trust cops to do the bare fucking minimum.
If teachers had been armed? It might--might--have ended sooner with fewer innocent victims. At least the teachers had some skin in the game, and teachers usually care about the kids in schools.
Final proof that more guns in our schools will not keep our kids safe.
What does the issue of the inaction of law enforcement have to do with the idea of "guns in our schools" (presumably this is inferring armed security or arming other school staff)? I am of the opinion that a lot of these issues could be solved adding armed security to schools. There are quite a number of sensitive locations like that which would benefit from that sort of security, imo.
Because the police ARE state funded "armed security guards". They ARE added to schools and yet they've failed to their job.
Even if the police were functioning well enough to act to stop a school shooter, there is still the issue of time — it takes time to arrive to the scene to respond to the threat. A competent on-site security presence would be a good first line of defense. Think of a time sensitive scenario like a home invasion — would you rather have the means to immediately protect your home, or would you rather wait for the police to arrive? What if someone attacks you on the street? Would you rather have the means to immediately protect yourself, or would you rather wait for police to arrive? In some cases, no matter how competent the law enforcement is, it's simply impossible for them to respond fast enough.
Have you met a security guard? you do not want a guy who failed the extremely low bar to be a cop, and who likely can't handle the tiny bit of authority granted to them to be around kids.
What if the security is competent?
NO! NO SECURITY! Leave all doors unlocked and make sure nobody has so much as a pointy stick, we just need to ban a specific gun responsible for less than 500 deaths per year accounting for 0.833% repeating of our total gun deaths, that'll solve everything!
Sure, just ignore that the Uvalde ISD has its own armed police force.
Regarding that, I found this:
The school district also has its own police force with four officers and partners with local law enforcement, according to the document. Secondary campuses have staff who patrol door entrances, parking lots and perimeters of campuses. [source]
If that's what you are referring to, it isn't exactly what I meant. I was more referring to a dedicated static armed security force that watches entrances to the school.
All this proves is that my children get a better education and better protection from their mother than government.
Better protection for sure. Maybe you're really good at home schooling, but my aunt fucked my cousins up really bad lmao. But then again they didn't die in a shooting so maybe it's a win anyway.
Quick edit that I don't know your situation and your kids are probably totally fine. I was more bashing my aunt and shitty parents. Not the ones that do a good job. Sorry to seem so critical
2 of my half-sisters were homeschooled for religious reasons. Both ended up failing out of college because they didn't even have a rudimentary understanding of science, math, or history.
On the other hand, I know a guy who was homeschooled and, aside from us teasing him a bit about which sister he'd take to prom, he's perfectly normal and intelligent and had no problem making it as a radiology tech.
Everyone likes to poo-poo regulations as government overreach (and sometimes, yes, it is), but typically, they're just there to protect those who can't protect themselves (like kids who deserve a good education)
Hey it's all good. Thankfully in my area there's a lot of activities for children to learn outside the home. Seems to be aimed toward children who are homeschooled, so my kids get to interact with other children. My wife and I get to make friends with people from our town and setup activities together. We've learned before we decided to get pregnant that the first 4 years of a child's life is crucial, especially when it comes to social interactions with their peers. So we put an action plan together to make sure we cover all the bases.
The only person I'm close to who was homeschooled currently is an Alex Jones wacko and would trust any weirdo YouTuber over experts on any given topic. So I'm not sure I'd get all smug about homeschooling as a practice.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted so much. You're family is blessed to have an awesome mother in it 👍
Some people see it as going against the grain. Or some people perpetuate the belief that all homeschooled children are socially awkward. When I come across such criticizations, I see my children as the underdogs.
Oh the irony of saying "all the guns stayed outside" right before saying "this is proof that more guns in our schools will not keep kids safe".
There were guns in the school. What do you think those guns were doing?
There were guns in the school
Wrong. There was one gun in the school. The rest of them were waiting outside.
I love how you pretend to be unable to understand a basic logical fallacy.
Disingenuous aren’t productive, and only server to divide things further.
They aren’t talking about arming some who comes to shoot up the school. They’re wanting to allow (trained) teachers to be able to defend themselves and their students when someone bad comes shooting. Currently they’re defenseless outside of boarding up their doors.
Tbf if they were outside the classroom, then we lack the data to say "it's proof more guns inside don't help."
I know it's nitpicking, but also had they done their actual jobs they're fucking paid to do, but not required to do thanks to Castle Rock V Gonzales and Warren V DC, then the "more guns" would likely have been what killed him instead of "his own gun."
I understand why the anti self defense crowd wants to use this as fodder for their agenda, but personally this speaks more of the failures of our entire policing system to me. Frankly to me it's a glaring example of why we need to be able to defend ourselves, the cheesedicks we pay to come help us won't.
Your framing of people who are concerned about gun violence as "the anti-self defense crowd" is very disingenuous. No one is anti-self defense.
I'm sure there are some extremes where people are anti self-defense, lol.
But I absolutely 100% agree. As someone who does support the 2nd amendment AND reasonable gun control, people who are concerned shouldn't be called "the anti-self defense crowd", because it's a legitimately valid concern, just as much as defending yourself and others.
It would seem that many of them are under the impression we can regulate away "most of" the crime and therefore we won't need to defend ourselves, and we can do this by passing laws like feature bans which only affect people who are afraid of going to prison (which is to say, not mass shooters.) They'd probably tell you they don't mind self defense, but their actions betray their words.
Yeah lets arm the children! And school teachers!
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BTW you can understand that "outside the classroom" with just minimal intelligence IMO.
Hell yeah that's what I said! Definitely didn't say "the cops should have used their guns inside the school to do their fucking job" or anything.
Can I help you learn to read or something? I'll help sponsor whatever today's equivalent to Hooked On Phonics is for you if you promise you'll study this time.
We need more guns in schools and less cops. An armed teacher would at least try.
An armed teacher would be the first target.
If they're carrying handguns eventually there will be a school shooting that starts by a child grabbing one of those.
Addressing the fact that the US have a worrying fetish for firearms isn't on the agenda, is it? No, let's give guns to teachers.
Teachers are already underpaid and overworked.
Great idea. The school can set up a firing range with tiny silhouettes in the gym for teachers to practice putting down a little child. We'll just add "marksman" on top of the other responsibilities they're already underpaid for.
