376 boys in blue sat around and let 19 kids and 2 teachers die

Oh, and that other cop who was going to try to open the unlocked classroom door but was then told to go patrol the rest of the school

The guy with a Punisher lock screen? Yeah.

He should've disobeyed orders and gone in and saved them.

That switch stops trolley

Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there

Sadly, the kids weren't allowed to vote. Mature enough to get shot at. Not mature enough to select the police who stand idle while it happens.

Cops aren't really bastards in Denmark. Oh sure, you'll find anti establishment types everywhere; there certainly is no love for the police in Christiania. However, the overall opinion of Danish citizens towards the police is positive. In Denmark people genuinely feel safer seeing a policeman on the street.

Police in Copenhagen are also friendly; unless they're in the middle of something, you can, as a citizen or a tourist, walk up to one and ask them questions.

Police do carry pistols in Denmark, but someone just starting their career in law enforcement isn't immediately given a gun until they've had a good job record and proper training for a few years. The amount of paperwork a cop has to go through for even suggesting they'll pull their gun is staggering.

It isn't any more complicated than that ACAB is an obvious US-centric exaggeration and that there are police forces out there that doesn't suffer from the same systemic problems that according* to American media is pandemic in their country.

Yup. That's why you never see public police brutality in the US. Couldn't get away with that with all the armed citizens around.

Oh wait, you just film it and post in on tiktok instead.

Guess the guns are just for looking cool in walmart and shooting kids at schools afterall.

Its not. No one needs armed citizen. All it leads to are the hundreds of shootings in your country. You need trained police and strict gun laws. Get rid of privately owned guns and the cops wont be scared everyone has a gun somewhere.

The perfect recipe for lots of unnecessary violence.

Cults are small. The police are much more dangerous than a cult. Don't be afraid to use harsher terms against them, they're a religion!

Cop cult bad! Gun cult good! Ugg has spoken!

There's no way that'd ever be justifiable, but what's their excuse?

This is what pisses me off the most. 376, and you can't storm the room? 376? And you refuse to trade one for any of those children who needed protecting? These are supposedly the hard calculations they have to make and they all unilaterally chose themselves? Enforcers will always be useless to anybody but the property owners. They aren't actually here to protect anybody. They should have made the call, and traded 20 of themselves so those kids didn't have to die. Thats the hard call we expect these "hard asses" to make.

A coward is not the same thing as a narcissist.

I feel like CEOs are more like football coaches in terms of job security. As long as they keep winning, just about no form of misconduct can dislodge them. Stop winning though, and the hot seat can become very uncomfortable.

And because they weren’t too smart, as per the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Yeah. Shooter was not pregnant enough.

That makes sense. Those protesters are scary and can hurt a police officer's feelings. Its protester <-> police.

Where a school, there's so many little kid bodies that can take bullets to protect our blue heroes.

If your Mafia family is organized as a worker co-op, is it praxis?

I think it's a problem that cops are just hired employees rather than anything more significant than that.

I get what you're alluding to, but actually the cops yelled out that they were there and for any children hiding to come out (obviously well before they'd neutralized the shooter) and the kids who responded and came out of their hiding places were shot dead because the cops were too cowardly (or busy checking their Facebook feed based on video evidence) to actually protect these innocent 5-10 year olds. I have a child in that age range and my blood starts boiling even discussing this topic.

Let us not forget that these wannabe police even arrested parents who were willing to rush into danger to protect their children. That's all they were good for on this day.

I don't really get what you're saying.

If we're playing "what if", my made up story is that they rushed in with 300 cops and nobody died.

But the reality is they did NOTHING.

So grow up and make harsher gun laws?

I think that's actually one of the few ways that could work out well.

NOT have a constitutional right to protect you.

Duty* actually. They can if they want but they don't have to.

Small, yet big, difference.

A big caveat to this is that of the millions who feel they're doing "OK," millions of them are one missed paycheck away from homelessness. Only ~40% of Americans can cover a $1000 emergency, for example.

I've started calling it a wealthcare system.

So honest question. Do you know anyone who’s been threatened with gun violence? Because as an American my initial response was that it isn’t that bad

I mean, I’m only in my 30’s and I know four people who have been shot. Two were robberies, one was a seemingly random act of violence, and the fourth was due to a domestic dispute. Three are still alive, but that fourth died in his girlfriend’s arms before paramedics arrived. It happened a decade ago, and she still has night terrors from it. And this is in a nice suburb, not someplace full of gangs.

I never worried about anyone having a gun in my life at least not realistically so. I mean I live in pretty safe place. All the bad ppl left 15 years ago for the USA, Britain and so. We are the nation of religious, sometimes toxic hobbits. Worst is social ostracism as that can be really bad in the smaller places if you didn’t vote same as others or you dated same gender. Or didn’t go to the church…

I wish everyone could be a nation of hobbits, that’s like ideal in my eyes

Point is when I hear about knife fights in UK I am like wow brrrr.

Biggest bad news lately in my capital was that some poor woman got sexually assaulted and died a month or three ago while returning from some party at 5 AM sunday which was very shocking. It really was the most disturbing thing.

Everyone is very anti immigrant here though. Even the pro Democratic/leftish Party just legalized shooting at the border to immigrants (in case of aggression). Kinda crazy. I think at this point they simply wouldn’t get elected at all if they were pro immigration. One single, very left party pro immigration has 6% of votes.

It seems that this change in narrative of the pro eu pro democrats helped them win over alt rights but like ya know it’s all super complicated morally. I guess almost 100% of people don’t want (Arabic) immigrants and it is long sailed ship.

I am very conflicted about all it internally. I am not blind what happens when you let culturally and socially distant immigrants en masse but I don’t want those people to suffer either. I don’t blame them for trying to get where is much better place to live but I also don’t want to sacrifice myself for it…

It’s super huge problem and we all gonna have some blood on our hands I reckon if we don’t already have…

Also I remember there being lots of drunk homeless people once long ago but I haven’t seen one in such miserable state at least in a long while. Just realised it now. Long ago I was semi afraid to go to the liquor store because of all the types consuming high powered drinks. Harmless still but it definitely changed. For whatever reason. I hope it is for the good reasons and not the bad ones.

Overall I think we are moving into interesting direction though slowly and a bit bloody at times considering the borders. they are only going to get worse and most have uncanny ability to forget about such things immediately when they accidentally hear about them. We all prefer to pretend it’s all cool and distant or whatever. I myself prefer not to dig into the horrors that must happen there uh

Any person in the U.S. that has interacted with a police officer has been threatened with gun violence. It's implicit in that 9mm they carry on their hip.

But yes, I know people who have been shot, shot at, and had weapons drawn on them too. By actors other than the state.

I'm in Canada and don't know anyone I can say for sure has been affected by gun violence or threats of it. I've personally been in a situation where I was trying to make small talk with a wannabe gangster and apparently asking about jobs can be dangerous I guess when they make money from mostly illegal shit and he threatened me until my friend came over and convinced him I'm not an under cover cop. But even that threat was a, "what if I had a piece" rather than "I'm going to shoot you".

I only ever saw or shot bb guns until in my 30s when I did some target shooting in my friend's back yard. He kept his guns all locked up when he wasn't using them, ammo locked separately. Partially for the obvious safety reasons (even though he lived alone), partially because a part of the license is that police are allowed to come and inspect how you are storing your guns. I don't know how often this is used in practice (don't think my friend ever had it happen), but it's a sign that the legal state of guns is very different across the border.

I can't even think of any robberies using violence or threats of violence I have first hand or second hand knowledge of. Theft, yes, but like the "car was left unlocked and someone noticed" or "someone picked an easy to pick lock". That last one happened to me, I figured out who it was and just told him to stop coming around and I'd leave it alone and I never saw the guy again. It might have been a bit dangerous if I wanted satisfaction from the situation, but I think there might have been an equal chance he would have just accepted the L and paid be back for the weed he stole.

Pistols require a seperate license that is much harder to get. For rifles and shotguns, you can get a license as a hunter, recreational shooter, or collector (amateur is fine but you do need to get your hunter license first before you can use it to justify a gun license). There was a gun registry but the conservatives scrapped that the last time they were in power.

For pistols, they are limited to certain professions such as police officer, military (I assume), or professional hunter/trappers who work in bear territory and aren't necessarily carrying a rifle or shotgun ready to go if suddenly confronted by a bear. I believe there's certain self-defense scenarios that allow them (like a proven threat that is difficult to neutralize, like with connections to organised crime).

It's gotta be extreme because carrying anything for self-defense is generally illegal. Like if you have a pocket knife you use to open packages, that's ok, but if you carry that same knife for self-defense purposes, it's an illegal weapon. Some knives like switchblades or butterfly knives that can be deployed with one hand are always illegal.

I think this is a bit much, because knives that don't fold are ok and IMO the question should be more about what scenarios one thinks it is ok to defend themselves with a weapon than having had that consideration at all. That said, the situations where someone might think a weapon is called for but isn't are probably more common that situations where one is necessary to defend oneself. But I digress.

The pretty much ban on pistols I think is what makes the difference. In some states, the risky part of carrying a pistol is about if you use it or if you specifically shouldn't have one (felony or something). In Canada, just carrying it runs the risk of losing it and catching charges, which means that situations where someone would use a hidden pistol in the moment are more likely to have a cool down period while they go get their gun and might realize that it's not worth it or might not be able to find their victim again afterwards.

There is some gang activity but I think even that is way more chill here and any violence is probably more related to score settling than turf control. I get the impression that the cops are more chill about non-violent stuff here, so that could play into the equation in that the risk differential is higher if violence is involved. Or I could be wrong about that because I'm not a minority (but I suspect it's because police violence is investigated (and not just by themselves) and dealt with more consistently here, and the lower likelihood of getting randomly shot probably allows them to be more at ease).

Yes I do. In fact the couple was held at gunpoint by 2 men who robbed them, and then felt up his wife in front of hime with gun barrels in their faces.

Cowards who hide behind a gun

I used to think a major global catastrophe will fix the system, like world war, or a hostile alien invasion. Then covid happened and we're back to square one in the aftermath, if not worse. I realised there's no fixing it. In my opinion, it's not that we aren't there yet, it's that we will never be 'there'. Having said that, when I say never I speak about our lives or that of our grandchildren, perhaps a few more generations. If humanity survives a few more centuries after that, if not millenia, who knows what could happen.

It is 8/10 where I live Public transport, edu, health, weather a bit too hot in summer because of city lacking green area but I have this small property 30 km away from city with just pure green everywhere and I smoke joints there and paint in summer.

My flat is barely liveable in summer without AC as it is on the attic.

People are peaceful mostly they just value not drawing attention to themselves and generally you can go alone at night with no problems. Only slightly worse as woman. Probably 50/50 if visibly trans - not sure but I’d wager it would be suprisingly rare considering how religious some ppl are. They will just tell you to fear Jesus or smh or maybe laugh or comment but most likely won’t do anything. Still if there is anyone that should be cautious it’s visibly trans ppl at night but then at night it’s harder to clock a trans woman so that’s that. I guess if you dressed like drag queen and went to the darkest places at night there would be 50/50 chance of some unpleasant or maybe dangerous situation but those bad places aren’t as many here as there were in the past.

Nearest bad place near me got renovated and while we were drinking there extensively late at night in the past, we got tickets for our shitty ways. Most dangerous places seemingly disappeared as the drinkers disappeared and places got revamped.

I guess now that I am on the other end of the stick that’s just pure win instead of „god there’s no more place to drink and make chaos in this neighbourhood, the end is near”

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It was super apparent with j6. After months of watching protesters get beaten, teargassed, and arrested en masse (among other things) it was absolutely mind blowing to watch the police do the (almost) bare minimum to stop y’all-qeada even when they killed a cop. You would think they were trying to break up a bar fight and not an armed mob.

I expected them to at least treat this violent mob (chanting death threats to the *vice president) attacking the capitol the same as they had every single BLM protest the previous summer, and realistically take that event as more of an attack on our nation and respond in kind.

All summer we saw police around the country absolutely fuck people up, mass arrests, immediate crowd control, but on j6 all of the sudden they weren’t an all powerful, super coordinated crowd stopping machine.

It was infuriating

Please tell me you're joking!

More than anything.

Shorten it to POC to really piss them off.

I think it would be funny to use "PAC" for "Police Are Cowards" and it will get mistaken for "Political Action Comittee" by some police officer who will then beat up a lobbyist.

The parents deserve their vengeance.

As they should.

Huh? I mean if they did their job there would be no need for that, but if not the least they could've done is not to stop people who wanna do something.

You're emphasizing the wrong part, imo. The overall societal negligence of mental health, especially for young males, is the biggest 'fish to fry'. By that I mean the ratio of reduction in gun crime to amount of resources put in is best in addressing that issue head-on, and I feel said issue needs to get a LOT better before that will stop being the case.

After all, what's better: preventing a homicidal person from getting access to a gun, or preventing a person from becoming homicidal in the first place?

I even wonder if no guns at all would somehow decrease public shootings, are there any countries that implement that policy?

Americans always try to make this complicated

Not all of us do though, just enough people are rabid about doing so that we can barely ever make an ounce of progress. It is pretty fucking obvious that millions of guns easily available are the problem. You have to work pretty hard to think otherwise. When Tylenol killed kids overdosing, no one started looking for ways to argue against fixing that issue, we just started looking for ways to reduce kids' access to it because it was a no brainer.

I'm in the U.S. The problem is that violence is almost literally the cornerstone of our culture. The entire prehistory and history of the U.S. starts with violence. Displacing a people, warring with them for centuries to carve out a place in a land that keeps killing settlers. More violence and death as cities are established and more natives are killed. Every other super power at the time killing each other over this land, finally the descendents of the settlers revolting against foreign rule, more war, and a country established on stolen, blood soaked land. Built, fed, and clothed by slaves.

All the whole fighting neighboring descendents of settlers in bloody wars, over stolen land, driven unceasingly by "Manifest Destiny".

More war as the descendents of settlers, now natives to their barely 100 year old country, proceed to kill each other over the right to enslave others, creating a cultural schism that still exists over 150 years later.

Fast forward through two global wars barely 50 years later, and hardly a generation apart, we have global Mutual Assured Destruction doctrine casting a shadow over every single human life for every day since 1962.

An oft forgotten underground sea of violence lies between the fragile crust of civility that supports U.S. society. Even the government itself is adversarial, pitting branch against branch, state against federal, local against state to maintain a balance checked by the threat of violence and anarchy.

Oh, and through it all, an ever present an undercurrent of racism, a miasma permeating the fabric of everything this country was built on and with.

Historically, when it wasn't guns, it was mobs, lynching, firebombing entire towns and neighborhoods, knives, fists, terrorism, crosses set on fire, sundown towns, racist rallies, segregation, cultural warfare, propaganda, economic terrorism and oppression through targeted laws, the prison system, low wages, and the violence inherent in capitalism in general.

Violence has driven, and continues to drive, the vast majority of decisions made in this country.

tl;dr analogy: The guns are the polar bear sitting on the melting iceberg. The violence inherent in U.S. culture is the ever rising global average temperature, and we're not even pretending to address the violence.