Linux
Reddit bad
Am I doing it right?
Linux, reddit bad, socialism and star trek are alright. The bean thing I don't get. Never am I gonna spend energy learning about it either.
The bean thing I donāt get
I recall that being a thing on Reddit too for a bit.. Just the internet doing its thing. People like random shit - it all gud.
Bagging Reddit is actually kinda discouraged, more Linux and communism. Or at least screeching about capitalism at every opportunity.
bears eat beets. Bears, beets, "Battlestar Galactica."
Beans!
I use Arch, btw
You forgot the 100 comment posts on anything mozilla does
I mean in one way. Yes, you're fitting in and in another way - Stop talking about Reddit
Say Windows bad as well. We're not allowed to use Windows for some reason... I use it, and I'm not sorry, but I really don't care about internet doots.
Dear windows users
Not enough blaming capitalism for problems which have nothing to do with capitalism.
And linux!
I mean, Linux (and the entire ecosystem) is a fundamentally socialist concept.
And my axe!
And my sword!
...and Linux.
Linux, as a tool explictly designed to empower the masses, is socialist.
This is only partially a joke.
I meanā¦ software is the means of production and FOSS is controlled by the people
and eating the billionaires
Omnom.
I'm not into cannibalism but I can definitely prep them for you.
And Star Trek
They already said posts about socialism!
I realize weāre inherently not capitalistic platform because everyone has the access to own their portion. Pretty cool imo and not to toot the horn for the millionth time, it definitely seems like the future of the internet
I mean, I dunno. It's been the "future of the internet" since the 90's, but nobody can solve the fundamental problems with such systems existing in the actual real material world, so we just get hit with an ever dwindling supply of larger and larger social media monopolies. Same as it ever was.
My partner has been insinuating that I'm a communist recently. I don't think I'm a communist, I simply want to seize the means of production for the people.
Doesn't that make you a communist?
You sound just like my partner.
Don't forget to seize the means of computation to stop enshittification.
It's part of the plan. To get people to accept a perspective before learning from where one has to stand to have such a perspective.
Something that can't be denied is that there are bad actors in America who actively want the downfall of America. These groups look to the future and determine what will harm America in critical aspects. These groups (sometimes actively funded by other nations) arent actively seeking uprising or revolt this year, or next year, but maybe by the end of the decade, or maybe the next decade.
These malevolent forces at work arent readily apparent. One of these goals is division. "Divide and conquer." I don't believe it's completely by accident that politics are so divisive right now.
I'm not that old, but I remember a time when people wouldn't generalize and stereotype each other based on political leanings.
We again need to prioritize love for each other over political standings.
"I'm not that old, but I remember a time when people wouldn't generalize and stereotype each other based on political leanings."
I remember a time when people had to band together to fight back dinosaurs in order to stop them from terrorizing villages.
Want to write a history book with me?
We could call it "Bullshit That Clearly Never Happened"
I mean... It's one of the reasons I like it so much here.
You don't need to sell it to me, I already love it.
good. kind of like an anti twitter.
The socialists must flee what was formerly known as Twitter, now under the control of a totalitarian fascist regime ruled by a mad dictator, or face extermination, and are now refugees wherever they ended up on the Internet
You are gonna love Mastodon
NZ? I hope I could go someday.
Didn't he go to jail for sex crimes?
Oh God
Ahem, this is a community
What did you expect?
What's wrong with socialism? I like socialism.
I want to seize the means of production as much as the next guy but it gets kinda boring after a while if that's the only content available
Sometimes there are cats! That's always fun! Some of those cats want socialism too, but they're still cats!
If this was [email protected] you would've been banned for this comment
I'm just sick of the fucking tankies telling me World War 3 will finally give us workers rights.
They claim both sides are equally as bad while ignoring the fact that their side has never even been tested. Therefore they have no fucking clue that they wouldnāt be worse.
Shill Stein has already been outed, West is an incompetent blowhard and only shows up ever four years to suggest impractical and irrelevant nonsense,
And JFKā¦.
The Green Party is essential a giant spoiler campaign.
Nine times out of ten itās incorrectly defined by idealists that havenāt figured out that a fair amount of American sociological and economic standards are already steeped in socialist services, and the rest of the rhetoric that defines socialism would absolutely fail if attempted in America.
In short, nine times out of ten, a socialist has absolutely no fucking idea what theyāre talking about, but just parroting smug bullshit that they think makes them look edgy and educated.
a fair amount of American sociological and economic standards are already steeped in socialist services
If you believe this to be true then you don't understand what socialism actually is. You seem to be of the mind that any publicly funded service or welfare is socialist, and I don't blame you for thinking this since it is what the mainstream American political discourse would have you believe.
In short, nine times out of ten, a socialist has absolutely no fucking idea what theyāre talking about, but just parroting smug bullshit that they think makes them look edgy and educated.
When you say this immediately after demonstrating that you actually have no idea what you're talking about it's a pretty bad look. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Drag thinks the means of production should be owned by the workers. Drag is curious why you think the American workers own "a fair amount" of the means of production.
Or they are arguing against democracy
socialism itself is just, kinda weird. From a philosophical perspective it makes sense and has clear distinctions. But from a practical view it's just sort of. Capitalism but if it was more confusing for some reason. If you go too far into one direction, it's just communism, and that's not socialism, obviously. The other direction and it's literally just capitalism, so it has to sit in this weird space between where you can't engage with the best parts of capitalism (or it just weirdly handicaps parts of capitalism) and communism.
and then of course you've got people (probably grifters) like hasan piker who claim to be socialist while having millions of dollars, but doing literally nothing with it, because investing it wouldn't be socialist, and you can't really just give it away, because well, it's a lot of money. I mean you could, but it's also just, sort of redundant at that point.
Realistically he should be investing that money into a lot of different things, increasing returns on revenues, and creating a content creator collective or something silly like that, but to my knowledge he hasn't probably because he's either stupid or lazy. I don't blame him for either of those things though.
socialism, particularly modern western socialism that's based on capital needs a fundamental proof of concept work-through before we can really do anything with it, i think.
Capitalism, while it has problems, it at least makes sense on a fundamental human perspective. I own things, you own things, we own things, that also applies to capital as well. It's so fundamentally tied to the human experience and history that it's just sort of hard to deviate from. Even china does a lot of capitalism.
man that was much longer than i anticipated. Apologies in retrospective lol.
Anyway for the second part of the admittedly very old and dead joke by this point in the post. It's a meme about socialism on the internet. (particularly a farther left space on the internet)
I just hate how it is vilified when we literally freely give billions in taxpayer monies to oil companies.
To be fair, we are not the ones making those decisions, the Bourgeoisie is.
Indeed, corporate socialism and the search for deregulation, self-regulation and cheap labor.
Not to be pedantic, but "corporate socialism" isn't a thing, that's just Capitalism as it monopolizes.
And vegan drama that you really don't want to get involved in.
I unfortunately learned the vegan community here is largely hexbears, made the fatal mistake of commenting on a post there (as a vegetarian)
Throughout history, the most unimaginable pain and punishments have been issued by the fanatical unto the only very slightly less fanatical.
Oh that explains a lot
Yeah I used to follow the vegan group cos I like tips on vege eating but I had to quit cos the meat eater hatred was just too much
I follow a flexitarian diet and they've always been polite and welcoming to me.
Lol I can't get involved, every time they post "why do those dirty carnist rapist murderers hate us?" And I reply "Because you're just as evangelical as the Christians on your moral crusade and it is very annoying." Supposedly I'm "trolling" and get banned. The mods on those subs are averse to very well placed criticisms unfortunately (as funny as I think that is, as it further reminds me of the christians who's methods they employ.)
Though half of it is complaining about capitalism.
Half socialism, half complaining about capitalism, half linux, and half startrek memes.
Although, now that I think about it, the linux and startrek halves are often just a part of the socialism half.
So, I guess the original point stands. Socialism all the way down.
Thatās a lot of halves.
Actually the first one is lemmy.world users confusing corporate centrists for socialism
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He's right tho
It hasn't really been my experience here. Yeah there is some.
Have you tried being less aimless at what you subscribe here? Do you come here because you want to connect with information, or just mindlessly doom scroll and consume?
If you're not intentional about your social media tools, you will have a bad time.
Lemmy.world is defederated from the major Marxist instances, so that filters out a lot of discussion about Socialism.
Actually I find that it allows more range of Socialism strains to be discussed. A lot of Marxists tend to look rather poorly at any mixed Socialism blends as either heretical or as liminal states with Communism as a complete end goal instead of being legitimate in their own right.
Where ever Marxism tends to particularly flourish erasure of a lot of other Socialist philosophy tends to be the norm. Socialism is a big range of different veiws of how publicly held and private property domains intermix with a lot of foundational philosophy some of which pre-dates or were contemporaries of Marx. Marx may have coined the term but it's important to remember that when he was writing his work there were specific peers in his feild that some of it was directed at who he was sort of in agreement with and sort of not. Many wholeheartedly adopted his term for the broad stroke of their own philosophy even though they would later be at loggerheads about details. Later in life Marx really did not get along with other prominent Socialists of his era. Those who subscribe very heavily to his text tend to follow his tradition of being very dismissive of other Socialist strains and rather combative because the text is very fiery and segments well into calls for violence
If one wants to go talk Marxism the other instances are always there and are generally better venues. It's valuable to have spaces that have differences so that other schools of political thought have air. As far as Marxists here go, since having a group that usually denies others the very words they use to self identify by, demanding they be called illegitimate, sucks all the air from the room they are generally not particularly welcome in the space unless they demonstrate they can play nice with others.
you know I do wonder if, out there, all those right-wing instances that we're de-federated with are sharing this same meme but in reverse...
Is there an article about this defederation with the people who we likely should be engaging in discourse?
Left-wing instances were defederated preemptively, as a last resort because the admins feared they would ādismantle western propagandaā. Right-wing instances were defederated after they wouldn't moderate their users posting CSAM, gore, and nazi shit.
They aren't always defederated. Most users can still use [email protected], but most don't bother because absolutely nothing ever gets through to the conservative users of that community no matter what sources or evidence to support arguments are used. It's like talking to a brick wall. Some of the users like MomoTimetoDie are outright hostile.
this thread became a clusterfuck im proud of you
10/10 ragebait
The Linux crew is going to be cheesed
As a Mutualist Linux user I concur.
Sounds like you need to diversify your Lemmy subs honestly lmao.
I subscribe to nothing. I just browse the local and global feeds.
Sub to for example [email protected]
in my defense, politics brings out the stupid in everyone, and i love that.
It's not my fault people aren't spending time over arguing about whether some stupid is game is better than some other stupid game. Do better.
/s (sort of)
I wouldnāt have it any other way.
Uh...Political Memes on .world is not socialist. Much more of a, "vote blue, no matter who," and, "but her emails," vibe over there.
I don't think they have many buttery males.
Political Memes is socialist?
I literally blocked it because it's just liberals pretending to be socialist.
I was banned from there for "misinformation" when I explained MLK's position on moderates and linked his letter from Birmingham jail.
A guy on there told me that I should thank liberals for the Civil Rights Act, and when I pointed to the letter from A Birmingham Jail, his response was, "and yet they passed the Civil Rights Act a year later. Curious, no?" Like...yeah dumbass, because actual progressives kept pressuring them publicly, like King did in the Birmingham letter.
Not sure what you're talking about. Since the summer it's just been post about Dems and how Republicans are weirdos. Honestly, the socialist presence on Lemmy is lacking.
You obviously haven't been on all the meme sublemmies that are nothing but capitalism bad.
Yeah, I see lots of bitching about there being (gasp) communists on a platform that was built by communists.
Personally i don't mind the communism as much (I share many of its beliefs and goals) as the tankieism.
No, China and Russia are not role models but hostile actors. No, their imperialist bullshit and human rights violations or straight up war crimes aren't justified because the west did a thing that one time and it was also evil. No, the russian kleptocracy and chinese state capitalism are not socialism or communism.
Your instance blocks the tankie ones
Thank God I like socialism
In an ironic twist, the defining characteristic of socialists in America, is also one of the defining characteristics of being American: "Butbutbut ... MY socialism is bigger than YOUR socialism."
Give it a rest people ... ORGANIZE!
posts about science
Seems like the Internet is just circle jerks these days
These days?
Internet is a reflection of human nature, we've been doing this for millenia, we can just access specific bubbles of groupthink far faster and more efficiently than ever before. The internet has been like this since people first started typing their thoughts and opinions where other connected people could see them.
Our problem isn't groupthink and bubbles of circle-jerking, our problem is our lack of attention-span and lack of patience, qualities that used to let us communicate and compromise with each other, now we're all too brain-rotted to even form romantic relationships, too drained to try to even engage with people who don't think the same way.
It's fine that communities circle-jerk, sometimes those even become wildly successful movements in society. What's not fine is we're all so used to fucking scrolling that we don't make effort past that circle-jerking anymore.
How come it's never a triangular jerk?
ITT: Lemmy's biggest circle-jerk to date.
Idk, I think the vegan pets thing was pretty far up the list.
Memers of the world unite!
I love that Lemmy thinks neoliberalism is "socialism"
Oh, he did forget to add the comic cell for āreplies to posts about socialism where socialism isnāt even socialist enoughā.
You're not socialist enough unless you are threatening to murder everyone that you think isn't socialist enough.
I love that keyboard slacktivists think anything they donāt personally agree with is āneoliberalism.ā
Really recommend the book "The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order: America and the World in the Free Market Era" by Gary Gerstle if you want to know more about what neoliberalism is and what the goals are/were and why it's actively destroying the country.
The neoliberal order was no exception. Despite being a project incubated in Republican circles and launched under Ronald Reagan, its full-scale consolidation occurred under the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
Imo the neoliberal order was a response to the Civil Rights Era, a WORLDWIDE movement that gave ordinary citizens more rights and power than any other time in history. To disempower them, capitalism was weaponized to create neoliberal policies to make poor people stay poor, without capital, and thus powerless.
But it was not until Reagan that neoliberalism actively shaped the policy agenda of the federal government. Deregulation became the mantra of the decade, its most visible manifestation being the assault on collective bargaining and the further weakening of already struggling unions. Progressive taxation was contested ideologically and dismantled politically: When Reagan was elected, the income tax system was structured in 15 different brackets, with the highest reaching 70 percent; after his presidency, the country was left with just two brackets, 15 and 28 percent.
āNeoliberals,ā Gerstle writes, āhad long argued for the need to ringfence free markets, limiting participation to those who could handle its rigors.ā Now they also embraced a religiously imbued neo-Victorian moral code, setting themselves in opposition to the permissiveness and moral relativism of the 1960s and 1970s. The race-biased mass incarceration of an āunderclassā ā regarded as unfit to handle those rigors ā seemed to offer the ultimate solution. Liberation and repression, freedom and order, were not incompatible; in the neoliberal equation they were strictly interdependent.
So sure, I personally dislike neoliberalism, but I have a good understanding of what it is as well, so you're criticism is invalid.
hell yea
As mod of [email protected] yer God damn right... Kinda. Most of us are anarchist, or left leaning for sure.
Then there is ml and lemmygrad. They lean on something, I know that at least.
New users accidentally posting on those instances is kinda fun to watch, TBH. It's like Lemmy's version of hazing I suppose.
Bro, I would love of the posts were actually about socialism and not just campist brain rot.
I've seen more Commies on here than anything else.
Marxism is the most developed and popular strain of Socialism, historically and globally, so it makes sense.
And posts about how everything related to Apple is bad and that all AI is really just auto correct.
"Oh you play games on a console? YOU SHOULD SET UP A LINUX GAMING PC."
My biggest gripe about the android/Apple debate is that half the āfeaturesā that android/Apple users talk about, 95% of the user base doesnāt even know how to use.
Not every android user is a technical sevant and most Apple users are poor so they canāt take full advantage of the biggest advantage which is seamless integration with their other Apple devices. Most of us are too poor to even have the phone, let alone a MacBook, AirPods, and every dongle needed to use the device.
lemmy also have shit tons of left wing nut jobs, lets not leave them out.
I've been blocking political communities, so I don't get so much of this. I would recommend you also block communities that annoy you. We're in the same boat of browsing by top X hours.
Solarpunk doesn't really bug me though because it's (supposed to be) more about the good that could be rather than complaining about what is. (Don't get me wrong, complaints can be valid, but that's not what I come to Lemmy for.)
puts down atheism pamphlet
...later, we will find you and tell you god isn't real.
Did you ask?
It never mattered. We were going to tell you anyway.
edit: someone is following around all of my comments and downvoting like a little toddler. Hi, tiny man!
Our whole-ass society is structured around Christian norms. Holidays, liquor laws, businesses closing on Sunday, loads of idioms and turns-of-phrase, it is pervasive and so normalized that any deviance is seen as shocking. (At least we aren't one of the countries where heresy is still an actual crime)
While not tying it to religion, I think it's desirable that workers have and can afford two consecutive days off from work, that can and should be worked around personal preference as much as possible.
Oh, really?!! Butā¦ how about posts about ā¦socialism?!!
Dot world bans socialist servers just fyi
Believe it or not, socialists don't universally self-segregate onto the socialist instances.
The ones that do are banned by your (fed)erated server
World is more socialist than the defederated infamous ones
Can you explain? They outright defederate from explicitly Marxist instances.
False
also beans
Honestly most of Lemmy is like this
Yea, but we have many different flavours of socialism, the last one is solar punk and itās rad!
Solarpunk is more of an aesthetic than an actual strain of Socialism.
Is this a theleftcantmeme post?
And Steven!
Hell yesssss
I dislike most forms of socialism but I like most socialists. So in that way this place is not bad.
Eh, beats fascism, I guess. The far-left people are just as bad though... That echo chamber makes the conservative safe spaces back on Reddit look wild and free.
The far-left is the furthest possible environment from an echo chamber imaginable. We literally canāt stop arguing with eachother over the smallest details. Iām far left and my first instinct when reading your comment was to be annoyed and offended that you lumped me in with some other group that considers itself far-left but I just consider to be wrong.
you lumped me in with some other group that considers itself far-left but I just consider to be wrong.
That is not my experience at all, I've had almost no issues at all with anarchists and even confused social democrats and libertarians IRL. People who live in the imperial core, claim to be the left, but spend their time going after actual leftists are fundamentally unserious.
I'm learning that this place is like the wish.com version of reddit. It's still full of liberal cucks.
Hi, yes, sorry I'm late. I'm here.
So youāre saying that socialists are just a bunch of thugs that couldnāt come up with a coherent argument for socialism?
Yep, checks out.
You would think, you would really think, that a platform built on federation and being inherently anti-censorship would have some resistance against becoming an echo chamber.
If the people interested in a platform that is based on equal access with ownership by many people rather than being subject to one corporate overlord tend to be more socialist, that should not surprise anyone.
Trending toward socialism I can see. Actively attacking anyone who isn't vegan I cannot see.
Blocking hexbear and lemmy.ml no joke removes 95% of shitposting and socialism/communism spamming. Should be done by default. Just block any overly political sub tbh.
I'm not sure why you are getting down voted. I think it is a fair statement to say that a lot of that stuff comes from the far left part of Lemmy. The sad part is I have been seeing a lot of it now coming from Lemmy world
For all of those political evangelicals out there I could could care less about your political views. I just want to use Lemmy in peace.
I think every time a big leftist instance gets defederated, its users leave and move towards more mainstream instances. I remember lemmy.ml used to be somewhat neutral a year or so ago (I got banned there so here I am now on lemmy.world).
LemmyWorld/PoliticalMemes, the community which bans people who say something bad about Kamala Harris? National Socialism is a bit different.
Oh, come on. You know as well as anyone else why you get banned from so many communities and it's not because you criticized a politician. Trolling and bad faith arguments aren't welcome in most communities.
And none of those people who post about socialism understand that it's utterly unfeasible due to basi human nature, but it's funny to see them live in their own delusions. If only humans were better.
Humans are literally the most co-operative animals alive, which is why as a species we have been so successful. The unique advantage humans have over other animals has been our hyper-cooperativity.
Humans regularly will make decisions which are costly to them individually, but which benefit a larger group. This is reinforced through cultural norms as well.
The modern era has been a bit of a deviation from the norm of humanity co-operating to advance our civilisation. Iām sure that we will correct for our mistake soon.
Humans used to live in socialist-like societies before agriculture. I.e. "primitive communism." I'd argue socialism is more aligned with basic human nature than capitalism.
Uh oh. You should not have said that. Run for cover.
