Reddit says its "communities are naturally commercial."
Reddit, AI spam bots explore new ways to show ads in your feed
#For sale: Ads that look like legit Reddit user posts
"We highly recommend only mentioning the brand name of your product since mentioning links in posts makes the post more likely to be reported as spam and hidden. We find that humans don't usually type out full URLs in natural conversation and plus, most Internet users are happy to do a quick Google Search," ReplyGuy's website reads.
It should be illegal to misrepresent an ad as a post or comment. This exact thing should be against the law. The boundary between advertising and social media is so thin at this point. It has to stop. It's dangerous for consumers. Corporations should have to clearly label themselves at every turn. The usage of AI to intermingle advertising and social media should be blanket illegal.
The social media company has to mark sponsored content and give users the means to do so themselves (when the partnership is between the user and a third party rather than the social media company).
Unfortunately it’s hard to prove and profitable to lie.
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This is what people like Musk are concerned about when they claim to be "free speech absolutists". This is where their concern for that freedom begins and ends: their ability to use it to profit.
There are just certain communities that haven't picked up over on Lemmy. D&D, Pathfinder, LFG, and I'm sure many others. I hate reddit with a passion but there is still stuff there.
Yeah of course you can find everything on Reddit and clearly not that much on Lemmy.
But Lemmy is the perfect alternative for me. I only go on Reddit through web search results on Ecosia. It’s really only useful for when I’m looking for a specific answer to a specific subject.
I'm kind of surprised that factorio community here is so inactive. I thought there would be significant overlap between lemmy's technical audience and factorio players.
Yea, I pray this gets better. The only really active non-tehnical communities I have seen here are political and... woke ones. I really hope at least some gaming ones would switch.
The larger engagement is a potential reason..lots of smaller niche lemmy communities users won't engage or comment..I just lurk on Reddit with an API modded sync client. If they ban my throw away or block the API I'm done
Larger engagement requires people to make and join communities/subs and we all need to help that happen. It took years for reddit to have what you're talking about and it'll take time here too. Sadly we're at a point in internet history now where many people have tried their hand at being mods and admits and most of those discovered how much it can suck. We're past the point of it being some exciting new thing so I think a push for better tools and options for those that might consider it is needed. People also have less time and mental energy to take on such roles now than 10-15 years ago.
There is only one thing Reddit has (or had anyway) that I regret not having on Lemmy, which is a robust community for my U.S. state and a small one for my specific town. There's really no good place for discussions of that nature that approach anywhere near anything beyond flame wars anywhere else on the internet that I can find.
Amen. I should have seen it earlier, but the API debacle told me that Reddit is run by "my way or the highway" management. And they showed they didn't care at all about their users. I used to post spicy OC memes. Realized there's no point in adding value to a platform that does not value it's own people one iota.
I left in a huff when they jumped the shark and dropped 3party app support. I was a pretty heavy user / contributor and fully thought I might crawl back at some point. Turns out I'm doing fine without going back and the alternatives, while massively smaller, are so much less crappy feeling. I think a lot of people would feel the same way if we could just get them to try the green eggs and ham. I think it's great that Kagi is starting to index Lemmy, but the one gateway to get people over here that might actually work would be if Google searches started turning up Lemmy content. I think that would grab some attention.
Same! Also a Kagi subscriber. Hello!
I thought Reddit might cave on the 3rd party thing for a while. Then they were doubling down and treated the developers of those apps like shit. I was a happy Apollo user, and I trusted what he said about how Reddit acted. I moved to Lemmy. It was confusing at the start but now I feel as at home here as I did in Reddit. If not more actually, since our user base is smaller, I feel like community is closer and has a little more tech know-how too. I do miss some fun Reddit things but I think Lemmy and the fediverse has a ton of potential and I want to be part of it ☺️
I think there was a post a while back where someone found Lemmy posts on search results. I think it's still being drowned out by bigger platforms but it's good to see it happening!
I was very similar, heavy Reddit user that quit over thr 3PA shitshow last year. Not sure if you've noticed the same effect, but my attention span has gone way up.
I'm unfortunately on Reddit regularly, but that's only because it still has decent tech support search results. Haven't logged in since the APIpocalypse
I still miss many of the nice communities though, Lemmy is fine, but it has less users in total than many of my niche communities. I still visit Reddit sometimes to find something out about my interests, although that might slow down if bots really take over Reddit
When you're constantly inflicted with advertising it's the fish not seeing the water story. Fuck advertising propaganda and malware networks. Fuck advertising without consent in public spaces. And most of all fuck reddit for betraying their mods and users and treating them like pieces of shit because they can get away with it.
Homie, most people in my office don't read fucking books. Half the people in my life before I was an adult have grown to never touch a book or educational material in their adult lives. We're fucked. By and large people just want to not care about anything it seems. I still get scoffed at when mentioning google and they're under an antitrust lawsuit right now. We are not going to last unless education comes to the forefront.
“With Dynamic Product Ads, brands can tap into the rich, high-intent product conversations that people come to Reddit for," Reddit EVP of Business Marketing and Growth Jim Squires said in a statement.
Jfc people came to Reddit because up until now they were getting replies from real people with that have no financial interest in the outcome. This completely subverts everything people valued about Reddit. This fucking guy.
Yes, but by completely destroying that they can make the line go up for 2 quarters, so worth it. Also, corpos would actually prefer users not having access to these discussion spaces and the free information they provide, so you would have to rely on overSEOd shit content and ads. I hate what the internet has become
i cannot believe this site i spent so many sad years posting on in high school, with pure heart, posting purely out of a desire for interesting interactions and the potential to make insightful, peer-reviewed contributions that others could enjoy, has turned into such fucking dead-eyed garbage.
What research is telling them that people come to Reddit to talk to corporations about products? Where was the survey? And what the fuck is a "high-intent product conversation"? These people are making shit up.
Edit: so, I looked up what a "high intent product conversation" is, and this is the answer I got.
A high-intent product conversation is a conversation with a customer who is actively looking for a solution to a problem or desire and is ready to purchase. High-intent customers are more likely to convert into customers than low-intent customers, who are just browsing or exploring.
So this man really thinks that people come to Reddit looking for shit to buy, because we have problems and desires and they want companies on Reddit to be right there hawking their snake oil cures to all our little problems via their AI marketing reps?
Where did he get that idea? Did he ask actual Reddit users? Was a survey mailed out? What was the sample size? What were the questions on the survey? Did they do a focus group?
I remember seeing threads like "What was the best purchase that you made for under 100" or some variation every once in a while. I'm sure those got corpo eyes real interested if they weren't advertising in them already.
Yes, because
insert smoking company name here are all having an intense beutiful pipedream relationship with the nice folks at those pro-smoking subreddits.
Because they thought if they just folded to the site admins that everything would be okay in the end. "Oh, we built a community! We don't want to lose it, so we're opening back up so daddy Spez doesn't take away our power!"
The style in which that post by Ophelia_SK is written seems exactly like chatGPT. I can’t quite put my finger on what exactly makes me feel so strongly, but it’s something to do with how sentences and paragraphs are constructed. They always have the same cadence with the commas and how thoughts are laid out. It’s got that generically positive tone as well.
Kinda cool though, I feel like I’m becoming able to spot these. It’s like being able to spot a photoshop by the pixels. I’ve seen quite a few shops in my time.
The full url written out is a good clue, but beyond that, AI sounds off-puttingly positive because it's always trying to be as inoffensive and appealing to everyone as possible.
Every commercial model has a positivity bias baked in, it makes it hard to use any of them as a cowriter because your villains all end up really nice and accommodating. Finetuning can break this but sometimes it creeps back in. Very annoying.
You are dead on. That post absolutely fucking reeks of AI. I want to say if you can't smell it a mile off you're an absolute cretin, but there are probably millions of people who've never really spent much time with LLMs and would be easily fooled by this garbage
Without going too technical, deixis is to refer to something in relation to the current situation. For example, when you say "Kinda cool though, I feel like I’m becoming able to spot these.", that "these" is discourse deixis - you're referring to something else (bots) within your discourse based on its relative position to when you wrote that "these".
We humans do this all the bloody time. LLMs though almost never do it - and Ophelia_SK doesn't, that's why for example it repeats "debt" and "job" like a broken record.
EDIT: there's also the extremely linear argumentation structure. Human text is way messier.
The style in which that post by Ophelia_SK is written seems exactly like chatGPT. I can’t quite put my finger on what exactly makes me feel so strongly
It's because of the soulless soulless emoji at the end. LLM developers have been adding them to the ends of all GPT conversations because they statistically trick people interacting with them to think they are having emotional connections with the chat bots 🤖
Tbh I honestly write replies in a style similar to Ophelia_SK (ChatGPT?) except for the www. part, when I am giving paragraphs of genuine advice. Am I bot?
Edit: Looking at it again, it's too long and flowery even for my long form replies.
Oh no, forming your ideas into comprehensible essay format with intersentence connectivity and flow, maybe even splitting into paragraphs, isn't even close to LLM speech.
I do form long, connected, split texts and comments, too, but there is a great difference between mine and an LLMs tone, cadence, mood or whatever you wanna call these things.
For example, humans usually cut corners when forming sentences and paragraphs, even if when forming long ones. We do this via lazy grammar use, unrestricted thesaurus selection, uneven sentence or paragraph lengths, lots of phrase abbreviations e.g. "tbh", lax use of punctuations e.g. "(ChatGPT?)", which also is a substitution for a whole question sentence.
Also, the bland, upbeat and respecting tone the bots mimic from long-thought essays is never kept up in spontaneous writing/typing. Dead giveaway of a script-speech than genuine, on-point and assuming human interaction.
Us LLMs can't do these with rather simple reverse-jenga syntax and semantics forming, with simple formal pragmatics sprinkled, yet. The wild west, very expansive, extended pragmatics of a language is where the real shit is at.
Yes! I talked a bit to ChatGPT about my mental health to see if it would help (sometimes I just want to scream into a void that I'm stressed, and having the void talk back sounded amazing. But it never helps).
It always responds exactly like this, with exactly the same expressions. I'm kind of sad for the other user now.
But even Lemmy isnt safe.
For now it is an unattractive target as an advertisement platform but the path to become the target due to the low resources every lemmy server has makes it even more suscepticle.
I don't understand, was making an account on Lemmy difficult? I have a Lemmy.world account as well and making an account was super easy. Maybe you'd like Kbin or Mbin better?
Which is funny because the marketing speak screams at me through that entire post. I recognized it as spam not only from the link, but from the "In terms of finding a job..." as well. I know those kind of responses. I've written those kind of responses. Those responses now repel me.
I'm looking forward to their "Dynamic Product Ads" system to coming back to bite them in the ass when ads for Nestle products appear next to posts talking about whatever horrific thing Nestle is doing this week (and similar things).
The funny thing is, the ai-generated engagement is specifically formatted to still be desirable in that situation, because plenty of advertising is already purely to create goodwill.
Imagine that when people start talking about Nestle being horrible to its workers, a "dynamic product ad" chimes in to retort that Nestle is actually great and cares about its workers.
Exactly like election disinformation? Yup, and plenty of companies can't wait to have their own disinformation bot net, sanctioned under the guise of "advertising."
And now ensues an arms race, in which advertisers attempt to plant adverts into comment sections naturally, while reddit attempts to stop them doing it for free.
No company with shareholders can ever avoid enshittification.
Next stop: advertisers pushing product placement into generative images, and generative images with product placement littering image searches. It's a pandora's box we can't close
“Hey u\i_love_big_tiddies, we noticed that you love big tiddies. Could we interest you in our new product: AstroCam Super Binoculars, so you can look at big tiddies from as far away as a quarter mile?”
In this specific case, it's exactly the reason Cory Doctorow invented the word.
Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two sided market", where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.
The mods and adm8ns using all bots for everything now and the ads.
I also got suspended for 3 days for harassing a bot by replying "Hahaha" to an automated message from a r/teslalounge automod telling me I'm banned because I commented in another sub making fun of the Cyber Truck.
Whem laughing at bots is harrasment, its time to run.
Reddit is a joke now.
I think it’s harder to post to Reddit as a human being than it is as a bot. You have to read like six paragraphs of text (which doesn’t show up on old Reddit) to make sure that your post is formatted correctly, and then a mod will look through your comment history and ban you because they read everything you’ve ever posted and discovered that you own a car or something.
I really would like to quit Reddit but I have to admit that Reddit has a lot more variety in terms of content, so I'll keep using it until Boost for Reddit finally breaks for good.
50% of the content on Lemmy falls into four categories:
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]
There's something sad about society losing a such a unique source of knowledge, but hopefully we've collectively learned something about the dangers of trusting proprietary solutions.
Anyone found a reliable way to search across Lemmy instances they can share?
It has definitely become more noticeable on Reddit that huge numbers of either compromised or sold accounts are being used by bots to sell shit. They are in basically every thread now, getting upvoted to appear more legit until someone calls them out and they delete their content.
Reddit is definitely on the way down. And a decent amount along the way. But unfortunately, it still is the best option for a modern day message board. I want to use Lemmy more, but there just isn't enough content being posted by enough people.
I've gotten very used to the amount of content on here and using the different sorting options to find active discussion. It's not even close to the amount of content on Reddit, but that's not a bad thing imo.
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The only remaining use for reddit for me is basically being a Stack Overflow for non-technology stuff (want to find the best bidet, there’s probably a review post on reddit that someone put together).
Now that comments might be well-hidden marketing attempts, there’s legit no trusting that information anymore.
Way to go, Reddit. In a few months, I’ll no longer have any reason to look at a post from 2024 or later.
I sincerely hate the "let me google that for you" condescension that rears its head sometimes. It is a discussion thread and makes up a lot of what google results will show so why dont they just help someone out and talk about whatever was asked.
Those redditors are insufferable. Giving someone some info and pointing them in te right direction is not the same and is the best way to go about things
there's a time and place for it. if it's a conversation about detailed opinions then no. but when someone basically asks for a simple definition then yes.
I think the idea is that the reddit user must think the research is THEIR idea. If I can get someone to Google "best in class widget shaver" without forcing them to do it, a) they will feel like an unbiased human helped them out and b) the whole process of moving from reddit to search engine, to check out line will feel natural.
We highly recommend only mentioning the brand name of your product since mentioning links in posts makes the post more likely to be reported as spam and hidden.
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Just like Twitter where most people are entirely ignorant to what's happening and they continue to use it because everyone else is. It'd be nice if they died like Digg back when that site went to shit just like reddit and Twitter have.
Well, Twitter is actually based now. Before Elon bought it there were a bunch of feds working behind the scenes to censor and move the needle. When Elon cleaned house he removed a lot of that. Elon said he "bought a crime scene" basically.
It's just incredibly funny that the site that tried to fight spam and ad bots because it harms user experience is now implementing spam and ad bots to harm user experience.
Obviously that's okay because it's their spam and ad bots!
I'm still waiting for the day when actual ads across the internet drown in AI-generated advertisements pointing to no real product or service. Perhaps that'll make attention industry collapse?
If you're looking for a side project idea, here's one.
This is a similar idea to culture jamming, people would put subversive books in libraries and book stores, change labels on products in supermarkets, etc. It's not a bad way to draw attention to something people are already accustomed to seeing.
Today, it expanded on that practice with a new ad format that aims to sell things to Reddit users.
Simultaneously, Reddit has marketers who are interested in pushing products to users through seemingly legitimate accounts.
In a blog post today, Reddit announced that its Dynamic Product Ads are entering public beta globally.
Reddit's Dynamic Product Ads can automatically show users ads "based on the products they’ve previously engaged with on the advertiser’s site" and/or "based on what people engage with on Reddit or advertiser sites," per the blog.
The stance has been increasingly clear over the past year, as Reddit became rather vocal about the fact that it has never been profitable.
In June, the company started charging for API access, resulting in numerous valued third-party Reddit apps closing and messy user protests that left a bad taste in countless long-time users' and moderators' mouths.
The original article contains 494 words, the summary contains 143 words. Saved 71%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
Did they hit you with the one that even monitors the IP you're coming from, so even a completely new email address won't let you create a new account? That's what forced me to migrate here about a year ago!
I've seen these same kinds of posts, obviously ads and less obviously by AI on Lemmy every once in a while which started maybe a month and a half or so ago? Makes me wonder if they were testing their shit over here.
I would not be surprised at all if small scale testing occurred here. It actually (unfortunately) makes sense since the Lemmy API is free to use. They could just trickle out bot comments and gauge reaction.
Oh, don't sell em so short. Like sell em short, but they deserve a bit more credit. I'm pretty sure at this point they're birthing entirely new forms of enshittification over there that we haven't even realized yet.
Once my narwhal stops working (haven’t updated and I’m not giving a penny to Reddit) I’ll likely never go back.
Narwhal is trash compared to Apollo by the way, I only use it for one subreddit. I wish that sub would migrate over here so I can browse using the Voyager app.