Kyle Rittenhouse storms off stage after being confronted by students
Kyle Rittenhouse storms off stage after being confronted by students
Rittenhouse's appearance at a university generated hostility from a number of students but he remained positive, saying it had been "a great event."
Kyle Rittenhouse abruptly departed the stage during an appearance at the University of Memphis on Wednesday, after he was confronted about comments made by Turning Point USA founder and president Charlie Kirk.
Rittenhouse was invited by the college's Turning Point USA chapter to speak at the campus. However, the event was met with backlash from a number of students who objected to Rittenhouse's presence.
The 21-year-old gained notoriety in August 2020 when, at the age of 17, he shot and killed two men—Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, as well as injuring 26-year-old Gaige Grosskreutz—at a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
He said the three shootings, carried out with a semi-automatic AR-15-style firearm, were in self-defense. The Black Lives Matter (BLM) protest where the shootings took place was held after Jacob Blake, a Black man, was left paralyzed from the waist down after he was shot by a white police officer.
"Charlie Kirk has said a lot of racist things," said a student addressing Rittenhouse from the audience.
"What racist things has Charlie Kirk said?" Rittenhouse challenged. "We're gonna have a little bit of a dialogue of what racist things that Charlie Kirk said."
The student responded of Kirk: "He says that we shouldn't celebrate Juneteenth, we shouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King day—we should be working those days—he called Ketanji Brown Jackson an affirmative action hire, he said all this nonsense about George Floyd, and he said he'd be scared if a Black pilot was on a plane. Does that not seem racist?"
"I don't know anything about that," Rittenhouse said from the stage, prompting jeers among the audience.
"Does that seem racist is a yes or no question, Kyle," yelled one attendee.
"Well, after all the things I just told you, would you consider that hate speech," the student asked Rittenhouse, who had a dog with him onstage.
"I'm not gonna comment on that," Rittenhouse said, sparking more noise from the crowd.
Seconds later, Rittenhouse abruptly exited the stage to cheers from the crowd. The attendees were then promptly ordered to depart the venue.
They fly him around the country, but the media outfit he's working for didn't bother to invest in media training for their homicidal poster boy?
So much for standing your ground.
Or seat fillers.
“I don’t know anything about that,”
This seems to be the canned response to all "uncomfortable" topics.
It seems that right-wing "debates" are not about arguing a point or another, but bringing up the "right" talking points, and backing out the wrong ones.
You're telling me that the guy who showed up to counter protest with a gun, who provoked protestors while holding a gun, is actually a coward who's too afraid to comment on the racist remarks of his shitty friend.
Who'da'thunk'it
lol.
What a bitch.
They haven't yet taught him how to deflect the truth. Teach him that what he believes is bullshit, but profitable. Teach him how to understand and ignore the truth. Teach him how to just be louder than opposition. Have him memorize talking points and teach him to always retreat to them (especially when not appropriate). Give him 15 years of practice doing that, then he'll be great at owning college libs, preferably on camera.
I mean that seems fair that he wouldn't comment on something he doesn't know about
You know at work when I can't give a firm answer to a question I will just say so and promise to find out. Turns out when you are not a murderer people cut you slack
Even if you don't think it was murder, it's repulsive that he is trying to make a career out of killing two people.
I don't think he gets many other job offers
I can't help but think if he ever was offered a job even if it was back end not front of shop that they would ask him to not tell anyone that he worked there.
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TPUSA is running the show, not Rittenhouse. They recruited him like an intelligence asset by showering him with praise and "favors" in a time where he was (deservedly) receiving national ire.
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People need to understand that the American right has a pervasive violent ideation. His actions are repulsive to you, but they are normal, necessary, and a sign of strength to the gun-owning right. Many, many Americans love what he did.
These people Want. To. Kill. You.
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The guy who stalked and shot treyvon Martin sold the gun at auction
I think the debate is nuanced so I'm not trying to say it's absolutely equatable, I'm more trying to feel out your actual position.
If a woman was being abused by her husband, stood up to him and killed him in self defense...if domestic abuse/survivor groups invited her to speak, would it be also repulsive?
With Rittenhouse it's more like a woman was being abused by her husband, she tried to hit him back him in self defense, but then he killed her and then made a career out of giving talks about how brave he was for defending himself.
Maybe I'm missing something as I'm not from the states. Why the hell is a guy who is famous for murder invites to talk at a university?
Rittenhouse was invited to speak at Wednesday's event by the university's Turning Point USA (TPUSA) chapter. Founded in 2012, the non-profit promotes conservative politics at schools and college campuses.
Toilet Paper USA
Our gun culture is so nuts that it normalizes shit like this.
When you look at it this way, it is utterly unsurprising that we have so many mass shootings.
This isn't normalisation, it's celebration.
I'm not going to be coy about why they're celebrating him either: The pro-gun community spends hour after hour theorycrafting about how they can shoot people with their cool guns and get away with it. Kyle is being celebrated for finding a new "get out of jail free" technique that specifically targeted undesirables for murder.
That's all there is to it. They shower him with fame and money because he killed BLM protesters with America's favourite gun. It's his reward.
Because he's useful to the Republicans, our extreme-right Party.
It's because the US right will celebrate literally any action that they perceive as working against what they think everyone left of them supports or enjoys. Kyle was a clean cut looking young white man who heroically skirted the edge of laws regarding firearm purchases and visited a town that was not his own where he made sure to keep looking until he find a situation that required him to use his gun. The context was protests fueled by the death of George Floyd and shooting of Jacob Blake at the hands of police.
There were probably folks who literally touched themselves after hearing a red blooded, AR wielding young white man was able to be acquitted of murder after shooting protesters at a BLM protest. On top of that, one of the men had some form of pedophilia in his past, boosting their drumbeat of messaging claiming that folks who support LGBTQ+, and by extension all democrats and leftists, are groomers out to molest kids.
It was a perfect storm of trump supporter daydreams all centered around Kyle Rittenhouse. Folks who buy into all or most of that view are big fans.
Because having someone else buy a gun for you that you can’t legally buy, traveling to a confrontational hotspot with your guns, failing to leave a situation that was escalating, and that choice leading to one shooting a mentally ill bipolar person is perfectly legal. And the right wing absolutely wants to make sure everyone knows that. So he gets to be trotted out for any occasion where they need a “famous” person who chose to exercise their right to self-defense, despite making every effort to place themselves in a situation where it might be necessary.
But that’s not his fault.
He also managed to escape open carry laws because the judge deemed any rifle above 15 inches was not a "Deadly Weapon" despite Rittenhouse using the weapon to cause multiple deaths, due to loose interpretation of the grammar of the written laws. And the state congress in IL did nothing to correct him.
Because of TP USA.
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Turning Point USA invited him, not the University.
More specifically, TPUSA has a chapter at the university.
For better or worse rightwing groups often get to give talks at universities under freedom of speech laws. It is not an ideal situation. And frankly with the internet I don't see why anyone can claim that they don't have a medium to express their views.
It's whatever, my uni had a few controversial speakers and I just didn't attend their talks
Because the actual story fits blearily enough well with republican's "good guy with a gun" mythos. Trigger Warning: Violence, Death, and Bodily Injury.
If I'm wrong, please correct me and cite your sources.
a guy who is famous for murder
Correction: Famously accused of murder and acquitted of all charges despite rigorous cross examination and ever increasingly difficult hurdles to claiming self defence... such as assuming provocation incited the first attacker. Also despite intense political pressure from then and current POTUS Joseph Biden, who was vocally in favor of murder charges until after the not-guilty verdict was delivered.
His first attacker, Joseph Rosenbaum (deceased): "The man with a toothbrush." A belligerent 36 year old bare chested man. Chasing a 17 year old with a firearm, who was running away. A convicted child molester. At the time being tried for assault and out on bail. Shot at close range.
His second attacker, Anthony Huber (deceased): An avid skater, chasing down a presumed murderer fleeing in the direction of the police. Assailed the accused in the shoulder, neck, and head with a skateboard and grappled over the rifle. Shot at close range.
Third, Gaige Grosskreutz the star witness of the trial: a trained paramedic who chased the presumed murderer alongside Anthony Huber. Confronted the 17 year old, who had immediately prior, shot Anthony Huber while wrestling on the ground. Drew his pistol and immediately lost his right bicep upon pointing his weapon at the accused.
The 17 year old, Kyle Rittenhouse, then approached officers with his hands above his head, and was told to get out of the road. Fears of a mass shooter caused the crowds to disperse.
Please stop calling the idiot a murderer. He was acquitted, and the people who attacked him are none too heroic after looking at their part in the events, nor after seeing their criminal records.
Please stop calling the idiot a murderer.
Who, Kyle Rittenhouse the scared little boy who murdered two people? Nah, I think I'll keep calling him what he is, but you keep on living in your fantasy world down there in the States where gunning down people in the streets and schools is a normal every day thing.
A. You don't loose the right to a fair trail because you are a criminal, a former criminal, or even just an asshole. Nor are you allowed to be murdered. It doesn't matter how shit these people were a random guy with a gun doesn't get to decide if they live or die.
B. It is bizarre how prior situations only work against the victims. Everyone loves to point out that the victims were criminals and at the same time ignore the fact that Rittenhouse out himself in that situation
C. I will call that piece of shit a fucking murderer to his fucking face if I ever fucking see him. He is a murderer. Even if God were real, and came down and told me straight off that he is not a murderer in my assessment of the facts he is.
I'm not defending him. But he was acquitted, so he's not famous for murder. A bunch of people believe that he genuinely acted in legitimate self defense, and thus he is a symbol of the correct use of arms for self defense and a victim of a system that tried to jail him for doing so.
The Judge deemed a rifle above 15 inches was not a "Deadly Weapon" due to wild interpretation of the grammar of the state laws. He went to a protest with a military style rifle and shot people in two separate confrontations, killing 2 people. He is a murderer, it's just been ruled that murdering political opponents was allowed in this case.
Why the fuck is this person on a stage to begin with?
"Everyone, Kyle Rittenhouse is here to tell us about indiscriminately provoking people and killing them. Round of applause, please."
Pretty sure he does discriminate
Is Kyle Rittenhouse racist? Who's to say? Who could know such a thing?
Confronting Kyle Rittenhouse? Be careful, no sudden movements. We wouldn't want him to feel threatened, now would we?
Don't drop any acorns and cut all trees in the surrounding area
We should start throwing acorns at murderous dumbshits
Jeff Goldblum: "Don't move! He can't see us if we don't move."
Hide all the plastic bags.
I mean, based on history so long as you don't chase him down and try to take his gun, knock him to the ground and move to bludgeon him, or try a false surrender with intent to shoot him you're probably fine.
But seriously, if you think he just started shooting at the drop of a hat, watch the trial footage.
He's a dumbass kid who should never have gone to the protest in the first place (but had every legal right to be where he was) turned right wing grifter because no one else will have him, but all three of his shootings definitely fall under self defense.
I'll take my downvotes now for not expressing views that contradict trial evidence now, thanks.
Just like the Heard vs Depp case, people have already decided on the truth and they don't care that the evidence at trial painted a very different story than the one liberal media told you to believe.
Like you said, Kyle was a dumb kid who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and he was retreating every single time he shot someone. I hate this case because I'm left in the awkward position of defending a rightoid but that trial was very thorough and those are the facts.
I would also like to point out after Rittenhouse had murdered two people, he was photographed flashing a white power symbol wearing a "free as fuck" t-shirt with the Proud Boys.
There isn't a doubt in my mind he went to that protest to murder.
I had to look up that hand gesture because I'd never heard of it, and finding out what is pissed me off. Are they fucking serious? The O-K hand gesture??
It's so evil and rotten to try to corrupt such a common, useful, and benign hand gesture and to try to turn that into a symbol of hate. Absolutely enraging
If Rittenhouse hadn't even murdered or physically harmed anyone, I'd still say he's worth society's most energetic condemnation on his views alone.
It’s called, "plausible deniability." The in-group knows what they’re doing and they can gaslight the out-group.
It’s a brilliant but sinister tactic.
It was supposed to be a troll post from 4chan, but they actually used it for that afterwards, so yes, we are looking at the evolution of dog whistles and the blurred lines of hate speech on the internet.
Yes it's a White Power Gesture now.
The most hilarious part is that it was originally a 4chan joke, and now they've accepted it as a real symbol. It's like the flat earth. You joke and the crazies take it seriously.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/18/ok-sign-white-power-symbol-or-just-right-wing-troll
Yeah, I don't dig deep into all this culture war nonsense, but I got informed of this after giving one my buddies the ok sign. They explained it to me but I don't care, I am taking the OK back, they cannot have it, it belongs us to us normal loving folks, not the toxic hate filled mongrels.
what mind?
"I think it's funny how everyone's saying I got booted off stage, when in reality, we just did a hard cutoff time and just happened to leave at that time.."
Lmfao solid save
he was at the demonstration to "protect businesses and provide medical assistance."
Remember kids: you can take lives to protect property. You can not damage property to protect lives.
Yeah, it is wild how the anti-BLM types will quote the supposed "the country's cities were burned to the ground" (really, when was this again?) and some ginned-up numbers of total dollars of damages done, usually with great amount of hand-wringing about damage done to businesses.
They tip their hands without even realizing it, I think.
Property over people. It's almost cliche at this point to bring it up but here's a reminder that police in the USA were created primarily to return escaped slaves to their owners, they were a tool of the wealthy and merchant class. It's protect property and serve capital above all else.
Overseer <-> Officer
He was being beaten with a skateboard, wasn't he?
Remember kids, you can riot, burn, and loot... as long as it's "for a good cause."
Remember kids: If you purposely insert yourself in dangerous situations that you have no reason to be in, you can find an excuse to kill people with your gun! PEW PEW!
He was a fucking murderous snowflake then and he's still a pathetic fucking snowflake now.
Backstage footage...
The face of an Ethnic Cleanser when he's not holding a gun
He looks like Cartman
mods removed my comment for saying this guy is a murderer, cause he killed people.
Apparently, that is equivalent to hate speech.
Last I checked taking a gun to a place specifically to kill someone is murder, yup, even if our jurors decided they are not criminally liable , still a murderer, just not convicted.
I had a related conversation not long ago with a friend that took exception to me saying US troops "murder" people. His argument was that its a legal term and not accurate in that context. Which is probably true, but i dont think Im ever going to let go of killing people= murder regardless of what the law says.
I pay taxes to pay for bombs that murder thousands. Am I a murderer?
Careful, he may feel the urge to self-defend again from hecklers.
Rittenhouse is a murderer!
At least he didn't murder anyone in this confrontation.
He forgot to bring his rifle.
He forgot to borrow one.
Try not to shoot someone on your way to the parking lot.
Kyle Rittenhouse committed 37 murders!
In a row?
This guy would be fine if it wasn’t for all the fucking murders.
I still cant' get past his forced cry at his trail, with the little side eye peek to see if they were watching.
Pissbaby Kyle much prefers it when he can shoot the people he provokes, but when he has to use his words he proves once again he's nothing but a pissbaby snowflake, melting under scrutiny.
Cafeful, this is a guy famous for killing when feeling threatened by unarmed people.
Not true, the first guy he shot was armed with a plastic bag.
Damn, theres apparently TWO people traumatized by plastic bags in this thread
Iirc one of the people he shot was hitting him with a skateboard, the guy he shot who lived was pointing a gun at him
I almost feel sorry for how this kid is going to be forever type-cast as a stupid gun-nut culture warrior type. Before his brain has even fully developed. What a disaster. What he did was gawdawful but it's likely he will NEVER learn from his mistake and become a whole human being. Not when being a total dumbass for the RW elitists willing to fund such things pays a lot better than the alternative, I bet.
And when people talk about how what he did was in "self defense"....I always ask, what fuck was he even doing there in the first place? He had zero reason to be there.
I agree what he did was self defence. I also agree that he absolutely should not have been there in the first place. But it seemed him being there wasn't that serious of a crime in the first place? (I know there was some illegality about him moving the weapon across state lines, but still)
He's a moron. Unfortunately it's not illegal to be a moron.
@CharlesDarwin @Flax_vert I like how people argue about this as if US self defense law condoning people executing their neighbors and shit makes anything right lol
When I boil down the very moment of his decision, I agree in the idea of self defense. But it's also why I'm generally opposed to filling an environment with high-lethality machines (be they guns, OR cars). It's naive to put confidence behind the minds in control of those objects. Highways, too, have a high rate of deaths; but they at least serve some useful purpose.
Ok I'll bite. Why was he there?
You judge a man you never met, about an event you didn't witness.
You judge him with such confidence. You clearly know something.
He says himself that he was there to protect businesses, but he had no relation to the business beyond that of a standard employee, and his help was never requested--he didn't know the owners, his family didn't own the business, and he wasn't even a frequent customer IIRC.
The most charitable interpretation is that an untrained, underage civilian took a semiautomatic rifle across state lines, to a protest happening in a town he didn't live in, to guard a business that he had no special relation to, and that never asked for his help.
The more probable interpretation, given posts on his social media before the shooting (that weren't allowed to be shown in court), is that he wanted to play action hero and shoot some scumbags, and he got exactly what he hoped.
EDIT: Apparently he worked at the business he was guarding, but the point still stands--he never got permission to defend the business, nor was it ever offered.
What reason did he have for being there?
He won't learn from his mistakes, because despite being found NOT GUILTY in a court of law, he's still crucified by everyone, including social media like Lemmy. It's like when that dude with a smirk who was being yelled at by the Indian...the only thing people wanted to do is punch that kid... without even knowing the context. And, even after finding out the truth (how the Indians were in his face intimidating him) people still talk shit to him for being a Trump supporter...
this dude bought a gun illegally (wasnt charged because of a loop hole) recklessly endangered numerous people. His parents fucking allowed this shit
AND he has the audacity to be a political figure? Fuck this guy, seriously.
His odds of a political career are pretty good. Repubs love guys like this. Repubs don't want a functioning government, they want everyone they hate to be angry.
the only good thing about him in regards to politics is that he isnt 80 years old. Other than that.
Uh, he did law school maybe? I don't know.
As a dirty European watching from the sidelines, I’m struggling to understand how to could both have bought a firearm illegally yes utilised a loophole to not get charged for it. I did a quick search but couldn’t find anything - could you explain more?
i think the technicality here is that it's technically legal, the way he bought it. But only through one particular law that says that it isn't. He didn't buy it through a gun store, he didn't buy it locally. He went out of his way, to another quite young individual, who then sold it to him (i want to say it was legal for him to buy it there, not where he lived) and then made his way to the riot.
It's been a while since i've read up on this, but it was a rather weird situation regardless. I don't care who you are, this is very weird behavior from someone who would be behaving in a legal manner. That may not be true. I'm assuming this is all stated in the legal paper work. I'm not digging that up though.
Either way this never should've happened. The fact that he was allowed to go there, armed was fucking insane.
Never mind he was found not guilty right? Because you know, public opinion matters more...
OJ simpy was found innocent. Clearly he never did anything wrong...
Aw and I had forgotten this murderer existed
Aw and I had forgotten this pathetic little maga terrorist existed
Conservative finds out that being unpopular but getting off on court cases/winning the electoral college doesn't change their unpopularity. More at 11.
"I just don't understand how Trump wasn't re-elected despite literally everyone in my life turning against me for supporting him , and 70% of the population loathing him."
Yeah must be election fraud....
Leave the kids alone, they have enough to deal with just trying to learn & not get shot by deranged, gun-toting nuts.
Get a website if you want to promote politics.
Politicians should be making sure school kids get teachers who are paid well & the kids have school lunches.What happened to the car dealership that allowed an underage armed kid from out of state to guard their property? Did they quietly settle for a lot of money? That’s an angle of the story I want to know about.
Why is that guy still relevant to them after 4 years? Either send him to prison or therapy, based on what you think he did, and be done with it.
Bc profits. They invested in his name brand recognition and want to maximize their return. "Logic" has nothing to do with this - it is "Greed".
I imagine that white guys are famous who kill black people are big celebrities for the klan.
He killed 2 white guys and injured another white guy. No one was black that was shot. This is the dumbest shit take ever. The kid was a fucking idiot, but so where the 3 dumbasses who go injured/killed.
Pussy
Snowflake
Why was there a dog on stage with him?
Cuz he's a pussy ass bitch
Because he's a pussy, and they wouldn't let him carry his rifle on stage to shoot people in 'self-defense'.
ALRIGHT PUSSY PUSSY PUSSY WE HAVE WHITE PUSSY WE HAVE BLACK PUSSY WE HAVE THIS PUSSY (sadly) WE HAVE BIG PUSSY WE HAVE SMALL PUSSY
Probably an emotional support dog. It looked like a golden retriever. I don't think it's a stretch to imagine him having some PTSD from such unnecessary killings.
I think it's sad how they're trying to pimp him out.
I will never name my kid Kyle
Eric approved
Why are we giving this guy a platform? He's basically a grifter who got famous from walking into a Black Lives Matter protest to stir shit up, shooting three (and killing two) protesters and then somehow being acquited by a jury.
Nitpick: It wasn't a BLM protest. It was protests and unrest following the shooting of Jacob Blake. The events over many days in Kenosha included some organized BLM protests, but also outside agitators who wanted to stir shit up. BLM protests took place in daylight hours. Rittenhouse went there for the unorganized unrest in the nighttime hours.
I mention this because it's a right-wing rhetorical tactic to link BLM to violence in people's minds to discredit the organization and movement, and it's bogus.
I just love it that he said he left because the time was up and not because he was booed and confronted.
since coming across this post i watched the footage. alot of nuance less so in the comments here. i dislike Kyle Rittenhouse hardheartedly, he went to the protest with an intention that was politically motivated. as to the people that wanted to cause harm to the little shit, its understandable but also gives these movements a bad name and fuel for media to condemn BLM, antifa, IRA, these were all movements to push against class divide.
people should also listen to the podcast alphabet boys or understand that government meddling like FBI employing x-cons as undercover blm members has lead to the vilance displayed in new media.
Thank you. People seem to love pretending like reality is a team sport, which is stupid. I also find it infuriating that I can't just find the raw videos instead of the first 800 results being edited and talked over commentaries from people trying to make a buck.
its crazy considering there freely available information but people will parrot what they hear from head lines. downvote or upvote furthering the bias
Fucking murderer
Fuck this kid. He should be rotting in a jail cell - certainly not sauntering around giving speeches on uni campuses.
Domestic terrorist Kyle. Do not forget his title.
Rittenhouse acting like a complete and utter coward. Gee, color me surprised.
Surprised he didn't shoot somebody.
@crusa187 @MicroWave he is a HERO to people who need to expand the market of the US small arms industry for some reason!!!
how dare you??!!!!! how DARE YOU?!?!?!!!!!
Sure, you're entitled to your opinion. That doesn't make them famous for murder.
Did I miss something? That was my first thought when I was expecting the headline to be about another trial but it was about this guy being invited to speak to students.
But I'm glad that university is filled with people who think. People with a brain understand that this guy is a murderer and should be in jail permanently under a few tons of dirt.
The people who invited this guy should be invested.... follow the money 🤑 investigated. Because they probably have a brain and would have expected this. The motive was probably to cause media coverage.
The organization that invited him, it says above, is the local chapter of Turning Point USA; TPUSA nationally is run by a fellow called Charlie Kirk. It's overt 'goal' is to 'promote freedom', and it does this by making lists of professors who are liberal. These professors often then get death threats. Charlie Kirk is a christofascist, and if you're not familiar with the organization or the person, you're missing someone who reliably pushes Trump and culture war on the rest of us.
Wow... That I wasn't even aware of the guy. This is a good step though. The worst kind of enemy is one you don't know or can't see.
The people who funded this should be investigated in case they bussed terrorists in to DC to attack the Capitol.
A new trial for what? He was found not guilty. They don't get to keep trying people when there is an actual not guilty verdict just because some people disagree with the verdict.
Those students are lucky that piece of shit wasn't strapped.
The protester groups were tipped off of when the new tickets would be made available, so they reserved nearly all of them so they could interrupt, sabotage, and eventually stage a walk out.
So the protestors were going to stage a walkout, but Rittenhouse stayed on stage for the entire allotted time without them doing so. Also he only had 30min on stage but 2 hours afterwards to visit with supporters and answer their question.
Yup, no holes in that story.
takes deep breath
WOMP WOMP
Do we have a list of schools he is speaking at, we should organize and call the schools to share our displeasure, especially to the advancement department, who is in charge of donations
I want to believe it'll be hard to find a school that won't already have at least a small group of people who are already going to not make it an easy "nod and clap" talk.
Hoping this will happen when he comes to Kent State
Such a childish scumbag."Murderer!"
That poor support dog. Rover probably be all "what did I do to be teathered to this removed?"
How many more stops are left? Or as I want to call them, comedic episodes.
ruh roh... he went to pump up his kicks.. run!
You could say, he got murdered!
He was a trooper for singing Tomorrow belongs to me, from Cabaret, at the front of the stage before storming off.
Ok... So I don't get this. This guy got away with shooting some black protesters and seems pretty racist.
Why exactly does that make him worth putting on stage? And at a college no less...
He shot three white men and killed two of them. I think he was irresponsible and foolish to insert himself in the situation. I think his motivation for doing so was racially biased.
I also think it is important to be factual where possible. He's already despicable for trying to benefit from the killings. Incorrectly labeling the victims as minorities, even by mistake, weakens the position against him by giving bad-faith actors a point of contention to home in on.
Fair, but I genuinely don't know this guy, I'm genuinely asking for information. Killing 3 white guys doesn't qualify you for public speaking either
This is how shit the info you people have, no one he shot was black...all 3 where white guys. One was a domestic abuser and the other was a pedophile, the one injured had a felony record and was not supposed to own a firearm. Rittenhouse is still a fucking idiot for being there but FFS get your info right. You sound like those right wing dipshits who just make shit up to fit an agenda.
For anyone interested the full trail is still available online and is a very interesting watch for anyone even remotely interested in the US justice system. I do feel a lot of the commenters above may feel differently after watching the entire trial and viewing the evidence presented first-hand rather than skewed through the lenses of journalists from either side of the political compass.
I think that most critics of Kyle Rittenhouse don't disagree with the carriage of justice as much as the disgusting capitalization of his person after the fact. And the entire rationalization for bringing a weapon to a protest is frankly sick, whether he used justified force or not.
To be fair I was under the assumption that he wasn't intending to capitalize on this situation at all, he did surrender the firearm used and requested it to be destroyed after the proceedings concluded so that it wouldn't be sold-off and used as some sort of political symbol.. It saddens me to learn that he is using such a tragedy to push any form of message other than a anti-firearm cautionary tale.
Naw can't watch the trial, then you'd find out that Rosenbaum had an encounter earlier in the night at a gas station with a guy dressed like Kyle (but +plate carrier) who put out Rosenbaum's dumpster fire (the infanous "Shoot me n-word" video where Rosenbaum gets a pass to say "it.") Then a little while later the drone video where Rosenbaum, still starting fires, crouches behind a car while Kyle walks past, steps out supposedly saying he was going to kill Kyle, and chases him/throws the bag, corners him, someone fires a shot from the crowd (likely Ziminski) while Kyle gets trapped by cars, and turning around hearing a shot Rosenbaum grabs for the gun, so Kyle shoots him. Then he makes the phone call (IIRC to Dominick Black), hears "GET HIM" and he starts running, gets hit in the back of the head with a rock that takes him down, he rolls over as jump kick man gets a hit, points it but doesn't fire as dude was already retreating, Huber hits him with the skateboard and attempts again to take his rifle, shoots Huber, and the other guy who just surrenders, then Gage's fake surrender (war crimes much?) then Gage takes one in the bicep, then Kyle gets up and continues running towards police.
You'd also find out that not only was all that justified, he never "crossed state lines with the gun" as the gun lived in Kenosha at Dominick's house, and he could in fact legally possess the rifle at 17 due to local laws. Furthermore he worked in Kenosha and his dad lived there. While he did travel from his mom's in Antioch 20mi away, Huber came from Silver Lake also 20mi away, and Gage came from 46mi away.
That wouldn't be good, can't learn the actual facts of the case, just gotta hang your hat on "he shouldn't have been there."
He didnt really storm off the stage, and that critique would be simple to refute. The problem is that he is trying to use his famous to be a speaker, but he doesnt have that skill.
The misinformation in this thread is real.
I'd bet money that most people here didn't watch the trial or the videos of what happened. The media baselessly called him a murderer and that was enough for people to parrot it.
I watched a disgusting sham trial proving the injustice of our legal system, is that the same one you saw?
That the same trial where the survivor admitted it was his own damn fault?
Tell me if you were told a different series of events than this:
The first guy chased Kyle while yelling threats about how he was going to kill him, cornered Kyle, then lunged at his gun before Kyle shot him. Kyle then ran towards police while a mob pursued him, throwing stuff at him including a heavy rock that hit him in the head knocking him down. The second guy ran up to Kyle while he was on the ground about was about to club him in the head with a skateboard before Kyle shot him, and the third guy ran up on Kyle and pointed a gun at his head before Kyle shot him.
Care to elaborate on why you think the trial was a sham? Do you disagree that this was self defense? Or are you simply upset that he had a gun?
You could argue that even though he isn't a convicted murderer, colloquially calling him a murderer isn't incorrect.
Why do you feel that way though? I'm not being facetious or a troll, I genuinely want to know what facts about Kyle's encounter that you (and probably others) base this opinion off of.
If someone chased you down unprovoked and tried to kill you, and you killed them in self defense, no one in their mind would call you a murderer. There are countless cases of self defense that are less cut and dry than this one, but no one bats an eye at them.
Why was he there?
He traveled out of state, with a gun, looking for trouble. And killed two people. He's a murderer as far as I'm concerned, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up killing again. He's so proud of having shot those people that he's literally going around the country and speaking about it lol.
Exactly, this guy gets it, Kyle Rittenhouse didn't murder anyone, Kyle Rittenhouse only shot and killed two people.
Kid sees the downfall of society happening and tries to do something about it. He then defended himself when needed against 3 aggressors.
Got to respect the kid.
You are so right! He locked and loaded and drove 20 miles away from his front porch, and he didn't even need to get a hunting license, did he? Level with me, my fellow hunter, after he pulled that trigger and wiped two human lives out of existence forever, do you think that was the first time he ever maintained an erection longer than a couple of seconds?
What I don't understand, is why some people get hard thinking about other people's murder counts. Right, buddy? But yeah, respect!
Or the little twerp could've followed the law and not be out past curfew brandishing a firearm.
Only if everyone did.
Kyle Rittenhouse is the Greta Thunberg of the right-wing. Change my mind.
Greta Thurnberg a young woman appalled by politicians watching the world burn and doing nothing, unwilling to make even the smallest sacrifice for future generations.
Kyle Rittenhouse racist proud boy who murdered black [lives matter supporters] people for fun and profit.
Yeah, I can see how they fit the bold young activist figurehead role for each side, but the juxtaposition REALLY highlights how disgusting right wing politics are.
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Not a single person shot by Rittenhouse was black, and were in fact all white.
My point probably came across a bit faulty. Sorry for that, not a native english speaker.
I'm in full support of Greta, I think she's great. And I think what Rittenhouse is a piece of shit, but he's a product of an environment that brought him up like that and now idolize him.
My point, even though it came out poorly, was that its weird that for right-leaning people Kyle was acting within his rights, and did the right thing are also saying Greta Thunberg is a puppet controlled by "leftie adults" for propaganda.
And the left-leaning would probably say the same but in vice versa.
It's just interesting for me how each group has chosen their infallible idol who is mature and can do no wrong, who happen to be around the same age, and frankly, children.
I don't think Greta has murdered anyone, though.
Greta delivers her own speeches. Kyle doesn't really fathom why he's been pushed into the spotlight, and is not a great public speaker.
Also, Kyle cries a lot more than Greta.
Greta is more based than Kyle ever will be.
Besides being young, there is no other correlation.
Can't change your mind, you're not listening to anything that doesn't say what you want to hear.
Like, in the same way the Turner Diaries are the Right's Parable of the Sower?
This dude is 100% innocent ...ya'll just mad that he killed two criminals.
legally yes, politically hes a cunt and his intentions were obvious. edit: it wasn't up to Kyle to dish out justice for past crimes he doesnt get a free pass on that account.
If this kid was black, you'd all be praising him for killing two white people who were attacking him. The reason Lemmy and Reddit hate this dude is because you associate him with some kind of "white privilege" for going to help defend businesses from being destroyed (at the request of the city's businesses who had enough of the rioting and torching) he ends up defending himself against criminals who were there just to cause problems.
He actively sought out confrontation and killed two people after he got the confrontation he wanted. The right idolizes him because he's a murderer and buddied up to white supremacists, and now he's pandering to them for money and affirmation, and runs away as soon as he faces any criticism.
So no, we don't dislike him for being white. We dislike him for being just like any other fascist grifter who fetishizes violence.
Oh brother..here we go..
he'd have been arrested straight away for brandishing a firearm whilst being underage and crossing state line.
Had a cheeky peek at your comment history and it sure seems like you’re at war with reality, friend. You do you, but that fight is never going to end.
Lol, nah.
The Rittenhouse case was a litmus test of sorts. It was justified self-defense both objectively and litigiously and you leftists still harp on this subject like the facts and statements weren't publicly available 🤣
It's when I realized most of the liberals were just fake and didn't really read anything other than Twitter, tik tok, or Instagram. I'm still a die hard Democrat with a heavy emphasis on social programs but y'all really need to get your head out your asses - before we start losing more people due to your virtue signaling bull crap 😂
Quick question: why is Rittenhouse being invited to speak at places? What is his area of "expertise"?
You have to be an expert to be invited to speak at places? Someone should tell the flat earthers.
A more serious answer is that Rittenhouse faced a trial that gained notoriety around the world. An incident that occurred at a protest/riot at the height of the BLM movement. It was seen by many as blatant murder and to others it was self-defense, making the outcome of the case very personal to millions of people. So why would you invite someone like Rittenhouse, the defendant in a historic trial, to speak at an event? Hmmm 🤔
It's almost like the law didn't consider the idea that a bunch of angry and awful people would show up to one place intent on hurting each other. It's almost like this is the opposite of civil order and he just showed up knowingly with a weapon.
I don't really fault the jury for their conclusion, but gun owners just keep getting to show up with guns proving their own case that you need a gun everywhere to be safe.
This isn't some silly partisan squabble. An echo chamber convinced a very very young man to show up and kill. And now he gets paid to speak? And you laugh at the people who rightfully hate him? Loool
It's almost like the law didn't consider the idea that a bunch of angry and awful people would show up to one place intent on hurting each other. It's almost like this is the opposite of civil order and he just showed up knowingly with a weapon.
I'm a supporter of the BLM movement but even I can say some of those protests were more than peaceful. Staying past curfew and destroying property is by definition a riot. I'm not necessarily opposed to their rationale for causing mayhem - but you can't say only one side showed up with "intent on hurting each other".
I don't really fault the jury for their conclusion, but gun owners just keep getting to show up with guns proving their own case that you need a gun everywhere to be safe.
This is a genuine question: how many of the BLM protesters were involved in retaliatory gunfire from the other side (not including the police obviously)? I'm pretty sure it's near zero which makes Rittenhouse's case unique as it is rare. I wouldn't call this a reoccurring issue and gun carry laws vary from state to state. That's a more complicated issue than this case.
This isn't some silly partisan squabble. An echo chamber convinced a very very young man to show up and kill. And now he gets paid to speak? And you laugh at the people who rightfully hate him? Loool
There may be something to this but in Rittenhouse's case, he was there defending his friends of the family's store. He wasn't just there to "show up and kill". In fact, if you watch the same videos the jury and the literal rest of the world watched; it's obviously, demonstrably, undeniably justified self defense.
Get out of here with your level headed logic, we want to hate people and pretend it's because we are loving, sane people!
Holy based
I honestly feel bad for this kid. His parents are clearly unhinged, which caused him to end up thinking he needed to defend businesses in another state from rioters, and the right using him as a tool of propaganda along with the expectations that come with that cannot be healthy for the mind.
He's clearly making a decent living from this, all because he murdered someone and got away with it. I feel much worse about the family of the dead, or people working minimum wage trying to get by. I feel just about zero sympathy for this kid. Sure, maybe he was raised in a bad position, but it was his choice to do what he did. Do you see many other people raised in bad situations doing what he did? That's on him, not his parents.
His parents encouraged this bullshit. He was a young person who deserved better guidance. I’m not suggesting that he should be free, just expressing my thoughts on what a tragedy it is.
Fuck off with that bullshit. He is a murderer who should be rotting in jail. Instead he is gifting off those murders and deserves every misfortune that comes his way.
I get what you're saying. He was a kid and probably had a fucked up childhood that led to everything. It's rare that people like that develop in a vacuum. But that's an explanation of how he got here, not an excuse.
Now he's an adult. There are definitely people on the right using him, but he made the decision to let them. He could have easily slunk into the shadows and gone on with his life. Instead, he felt the court acquittal wasn't enough and had to continue to prove he was right for his actions on the public stage. That's his choice and his alone.
He deserves the ridicule.
I get you on this. A lot of people really struggle to maintain empathy with people they may otherwise find despicable, but to me, increasing empathy in the world among and for literally everyone is a paramount goal. Take this example: A huge percentage of men who sexually assault children were sexually assaulted themselves as children. It's easy to dehumanize someone in this situation, but the reality is they have been both a victimizer and a victim in their lives. People are way more complex than our present instant judgment-based society allows for.
All that said, all Kyle Rittenhouse has to do is shut his ugly goddamn mouth if he wants to stop getting lambasted by the public.
This.
I'm sure a significant number of people in his life told him how to do the right thing and he choose racially based violence and murdered people.
There is no reason to feel sorry for him. At best we understand how he got to be such a waste of oxygen and try to counter that.