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Justice Alito Caught on Tape Discussing How Battle for America 'Can't Be Compromised'
  • ”I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!"

    Like bravo.

    For the sake of making this easier I'm going to just assume you want things further left. So how do you get things further left? By giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose they have to go to the center, because that's where elections are won.

    So what do you as the informed left voter, that wants things to go further left, do? You vote for the Dems. You give them consistent and overwhelming victories. You don't withhold your vote in protest thinking that the platform is magically going to go left. Because it's not. It's going to go into the center. Because that's where you win elections.

    And when I say this you want to throw your hands up and say it's all a fantasy. Seems very, very much like you just want to justify your non-voting. I hear this all the time from leftists on this platform, you (you didn't actually say you vote for Dems) and many, many, many people that talk exactly like you.

    You have this garbage system, and yet you totally write off disengaged voters as totally unworthy of any political attention.

    I'm saying you win elections from the middle.

    Wait you're doing it again. You're mixing up disengaged voters and the fringe protest non voters that are waiting for some big extreme left platform and are withholding their vote until that comes. Disengaged voters are by definition disengaged, they are effectively not voting ever. The protest non-voters we are discussing, the ones that are withholding their vote until they get some big extreme left platform are by definition on the fringe. JFC this couldn't be clearer. Pretty much by definition going after these voters means you will lose the central voters. You are trading the central voters (the ones whose vote counts double because it's a vote taken away from the other party and a vote for your party. And remember these are voters that actually exist, that actually vote, they are real). Okay start that again, you are trading the central voters (whose vote counts double) for this Fringe that maybe, possibly, perhaps, hopefully, perchance, could, mayyyyyybbbbbbeeeeeee show up. Do you understand that math? The math does not work out.

    Do you want some recent history on that? Look at Hillary Clinton. She just went a little bit of tiny itsy bitsy left with the map room to address climate change. Trump came in and grabbed the center vote. Bam she lost the election. Btw so what happened to the horde of left voters that you think will materialize? They said "not extreme left enough, I will continue to withhold my vote in protest!" Yeah they didn't materialize. So what do you think Biden did? Do you think he or any other politician will court these voters that didn't show up? No they won't, they learnt that it's a losing proposition. They learnt that you win elections from the center, and that's where they went, and that's where they won.

    system that just seems like bullshit to make rich richer and otherwise cause misery, and they just don't see the point?

    Lmao and you wonder why I talk like you're the non-voting individual to make things easier. See what I said above about you the informed left voter can do.

    I don't know if I'm going to keep responding, it takes longer and longer to sort out your confusion, mixing, and refusal to see the actual central voters that actually exist. Everything has been said many times and I'm just repeating myself.

  • Just a reminder
  • It's almost like if the US just turns its back on Israel, we'd lose our leverage to press a negotiated agreement

    No kidding huh, I can't believe people don't see this. You want to influence Israel? You can't do that if you cut off communication and shun them.

  • Just a reminder
  • And to say bOtHsIdEsSaMe you have to simplify to the point of stupidity to try to equate them. There's no detail or nuance. The world is a million shades of grey but they can only see black or white.

  • The newly unsealed Jeffrey Epstein documents have Donald Trump's name all over them. He had been secretly disguised as 'Doe 174.'
  • "Barely knew him. He tried to talk to me, everyone tries to talk to me. I'm very popular at the parties, very famous. Maybe I met him, I meet a lot of people. A lot of people stay at my hotels and I talk with them, because they are the best hotels."

  • Justice Alito Caught on Tape Discussing How Battle for America 'Can't Be Compromised'
  • Lol winning elections from the center is not fantasy. It's literally how elections are won from both sides. That's how Trump won imo, he appealed to the so-called Middle class manufacturing jobs (and because Hillary no vote protest).

    Sounds very much like you want to justify your non-voting protest, so you have to denigrate the center win as "fantasy", when it is in fact reality. Just so you can throw your hands up and say it's all fantasy. Sounds familiar? This is the "I tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" non voter which you sure sound like.

    Also, there's no way that most non voters are on the fringes lo

    What are you even on about. Are you missing the entire point that there are central swing voters? These are voters. They are Central voters. They are swing voters. They vote. They are not non-voters. Is that what this whole problem is, you refuse to see the existence of central swing voters? JFC. That does explain things. Yeah it seems you refuse to see the real existence of central swing voters that actually vote. JFC. These voters, that exist, are the ones that decide elections.

    And for this group that you think will come out when they are presented with some big, I'm going to say extreme left, platform for them to fall in love with are exactly the ones on the fringes. Like by definition. Disengaged people are by definition disengaged. The protest voters in waiting, waiting for some big platform are not the central disengaged ones. They are the fringe ones waiting for some big extreme left platform, and withholding their vote until they get that big extreme platform. They are fringe by definition. To appeal to the fringe ones waiting for some big platform you are going to lose the central voters that exist, that vote, that show up. JFC. I really wonder if you're trolling at this point.

    Btw this is the horde (the fringe horde waiting for big extreme platform and until then they're withholding their vote) that you think will show up. Not me, you You think that this big horde will show up, so big that they will override the central voters that are lost. By definition this big horde of yours will have to be over twice the size of the central voters (the ones that exist) that you will lose.

  • Justice Alito Caught on Tape Discussing How Battle for America 'Can't Be Compromised'
  • And what keeps them from power? Besides votes, it's particularly these people that say "I'm not gong to vote in protest".

    Not every, but the vast majority of people that don't vote are the ones on the fringes. That yes would mean losing the centre vote in order to appeal to.

    There are also more than double the non-voters as there are swing voters.

    So you are the one that thinks the hordes and droves of non-voters will come out. You think that. Not me, you. Get that right.

    So I think we're back to me saying you win elections from center. The people that vote, and not the ones that maybe, possibly, perchance, could, HOPEfully magically show up. You take the guarantee, not the vain hope.

  • Justice Alito Caught on Tape Discussing How Battle for America 'Can't Be Compromised'
  • You want to fantasize about non-voters just suddenly deciding to vote blue in overwhelming number.

    What? That's you.

    I'm the one saying that elections are won from the center, from swing voters that you know vote. And that the center vote is worth double. You are the one waxing poetically about the fringes, and the non-voters, and how the fringes are going to come out in droves to replace the double loss of centre voters. I'm the one saying you need twice as many (more than twice actually) to replace the center votes. But you think these droves and hordes of people are going to magically appear. You're officially making no sense when you try to pin that on me.

    Winning elections from the center is reality, not fantasy. It's literally what happens.

  • Justice Alito Caught on Tape Discussing How Battle for America 'Can't Be Compromised'
  • Edited my comment, so you probably didn't see. And we are at that point.

    Is this the point where I point out that the dems have had all 3 (house, senate, presidency) for 4 years of the last 24 years? They need all 3 to actually pass anything progressive. But the non-voters never try to give them any real control.

    Want to include Bill Clinton? Then it's 6 years of the last 32 years. Want to go further? Then it's 6 years of the last 44 years. Read that again, 6 years of the last 44 fucking years dems have had control of all 3.

    And that can still be filibustered. If you want filibuster proof majority then it's 4 MONTHS of the last 44 years. Not 4 years, 4 MONTHS out of the least 44 fucking years.

    That's why it's tried nothing and all out of ideas.

  • Justice Alito Caught on Tape Discussing How Battle for America 'Can't Be Compromised'
  • Funny because that's exactly what I think of these protest non-voters. They've tried nothing (literally nothing because they don't vote) and they're all out of ideas.

    Is this the point where I point out that the dems have had all 3 (house, senate, presidency) for 4 years of the last 24 years? They need all 3 to actually pass anything progressive. But the non-voters never try to give them any real control.

  • Justice Alito Caught on Tape Discussing How Battle for America 'Can't Be Compromised'
  • "Taxes! They want to raise taxes! They're coming for your hard earned money! That's all they do is raise taxes!"

    And you just lost the center. We both know that's how they're going to spin it. In the HOPE (I choose that word very carefully) that the people that never vote will magically vote. You lose the guaranteed vote (which counts double) from people that are engaged, in the HOPE that some others maybe, possibly, hopefully, perhaps, show up. I think they'll just say "still not enough, so I'm still not voting in protest". The math does not work. Elections are won from the center.

  • Italian speakers, can you understand Opera?

    FYI: apparently most Opera is in Italian, then French comes in distant second, German third.

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    One in six voters say Trump verdict could change their minds ahead of tight election, poll finds

    >Around one in six voters say that a guilty verdict in former President Donald Trump’s hush money trial will make them less likely to vote for him, according to a new poll.

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    [Beau of the Fifth Column] Let's talk about Putin's promise of peace in Ukraine....

    TLDR: There was a recent shakeup of the Russian top brass and an economist was put in a top job. He thinks the economist has told Putin that this can not be sustained given Russia's capability and Western promised support. Putin might actually be listening and why he wants to settle on current control.

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    Back in the 1970s when we switched to unleaded gas, what did the vehicles that ran on leaded gas do?

    Did they have to track down leaded gas? Did they just use unleaded? Did they suffer engine knock?

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    www.politico.eu Putin has ‘both eyes’ on Gotland, warns Sweden’s army chief

    The Swedish island is strategically located in the Baltic Sea.

    Putin has ‘both eyes’ on Gotland, warns Sweden’s army chief

    >After being demilitarized in 2005, Sweden re-introduced permanent troops to Gotland in 2016, following Russia’s annexation of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in 2014. Sweden also became NATO’s newest member in March — meaning it is covered by the alliance's Article 5 guarantee that all other members come to each other's defense if they are attacked.

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    HistoryWhatIf @lemmy.world someguy3 @lemmy.world

    HistoryWhatIf a member of Congress was killed on Jan 6, 2021

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    [Ahoy] What genre is DOOM?

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    [TNG] What did you think of the Dixon Hill stuff?

    Personally I wasn't a fan of them, so was glad they didn't continue on.

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    Kids love playing HIde and Seek because it plays into our hunter and prey instincts.

    Instincts being we were both hunters and had to hide from predators. Hide and seek feeds both.

    *What's with the down votes? Are people evolution deniers?

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    TIL White Castle was the pioneer of fast food, not McDonalds

    99percentinvisible.org The White Castle System of Eating Houses - 99% Invisible

    White Castle has its own take on fast food hamburgers. For starters, the patties are square, with five holes in each patty. And they’re small, too –- two-and-a-half inch sliders. Just big enough to fit into the palm of your hand. And since they’re steamed on a bed of onions, everything is infused wi...

    The White Castle System of Eating Houses - 99% Invisible

    Excellent listen throughout, but you can skip to 17:30 for competition with McDonalds.

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    HistoryWhatIf @lemmy.world someguy3 @lemmy.world

    HistoryWhatIf: What if Zoroastrianism remained a major religion.

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    HistoryWhatIf @lemmy.world someguy3 @lemmy.world

    Users: This is c/HistoryWhatIf. Not c/ReasonsWhyYourHistoryWhatIfWontHappen

    Some reasons and discussions why it might not happen can be interesting and insightful, but let's entertain the hypothetical.

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    People that lived in walk up apartments with no elevator, did you like it?

    Again, with no elevator.

    I can't imagine no elevator and walking up with groceries.

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    I notice Indians speaking English tend to speak very fast. Are the Indian languages simply spoken faster?

    Do they just speak faster? Do the Indian words/pronunciation flow better/faster than English does? And they are simply trying to match the cadence?

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