I think this is unironically how they need to spin it. Convince the Republican base that this ruling is actually better for Biden than it is for Trump by repeating their own false narratives back to them - that the Biden Crime Family will get away with everything. Albeit, the things he could actually get away with are limited to what the court determines is an official act, and given the current makeup of the SCOTUS it's unlikely that they would side with him even if there were precedent, but he would be still almost untouchable under this new ruling no matter how you spin it.

Have a case against Joe Biden? Sorry, all of that evidence is now inadmissible in a court of law because it happened while he was president. Too bad, Republicans! Maybe if you were to... I dunno, pass a constitutional amendment that revoked that privilege. But oooooh nooooo, that would be horrible! Please, anything but that! All our nefarious plots would be undone and Biden would go to prison!

The left functionality doesn't exist in this country. We stamped them out in the Cold War and replaced them with the new Democrats who were all for social progressivism but economically were beholden to corporate interests. Then you have the conservatives who are so socially regressive they think Sharia Law is a roadmap and are so in bed with corporate interests that they'd be fine if kids died in coal mines as long as someone at the top is getting paid.

We can't have the true left back until we get voting reform. Ranked choice or approval voting is essential to allow 3rd parties to have a chance to flourish without causing a spoiler effect. That will also pull the Overton window back to the left again as the two major political parties will have less of an incentive to court extremists and will see better results at the polls if their platforms appeal to as many people as possible.

Correct. There's absolutely nothing stopping Biden from doing exactly what Trump already tried and failed to do. He could put pressure on Governors to "find x number of votes", submit a fake slate of electors to cast doubt on the results, outright threaten people if they don't comply with his wishes. I'm sure this SCOTUS will find a way to interpret any of Biden's would-be illegal actions as actually illegal, but tiptoe around Trump's sedition and fraud.

I can't believe that the prevailing opinion of the times is that the president can literally break the law, even ones specifically meant to bind them and only them such as campaign finance laws, and be immune from consequences under almost any circumstance as long as the court says it's official. Congress effectively can no longer act as a check against the Executive. Only the Judicial can say what is official or unofficial.

This isn't power anyone should have.

Except for the whole retiring from public life part. I wish Trump would just retire from life entirely.

You are correct. I retract my statement.

The feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.

If they toss out this guilty verdict, I'm going to burn it all down. No justice, no peace.

What Biden needs to do, like right fucking now, is pack the courts. AOC trying with a token effort to get them impeached is cute, but will ultimately fail because Republicans won't turn on their own. The Senate is tied (if you count Bernie as one of the dems) and Harris has the tiebreaker. The house is controlled by the Republicans, but only 7 individuals need to break from their party in order to get a simple majority to save the future of America.

Biden could expand the SCOTUS from 9 seats to 13 and immediately submit 4 liberal justices for confirmation to be seated. Expanding the court doesn't require congressional approval, so Biden could do this unilaterally and as long as he is able to get butts in those seats, they're there to stay even if Trump squeaks his way back in. They could then challenge and overturn the immunity ruling, as well as all the other dogshit rulings that have come out in the last couple of years like Dobbs.

He threatened to do it before. He needs to actually pull the trigger.

I am aware of the situation, and its the same things that democrats would do in the same situation.

That which is asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. No proof that democrats would do the same in that situation and we have 200 years of peaceful transfers of power to prove that.

You assume that I am a trump vote, but I am not.

Nobody simps this hard for Trump if they aren't also planning on voting for him too. It's okay, I already think you're an idiot, I can't possibly have a lower opinion of you right now. You might as well just say the quiet parts out loud. I'm certainly not trying to convince you to change your vote at this point. I already know whose "team" you are on anyway, since you seem to think this is just a game.

I just know that your team sucks more than his team and does worse things, like try to throw the most likely presidential candidate in prison.

The RNC had two whole years to pick another candidate. Two years knowing that Trump was under felony indictment and could very likely be imprisoned right around the election. This was not an accident - they are using the fact that Trump is being tried in court as a political weapon. The Republicans think you are stupid and will try to convince you that this is a plot by the democrats when in reality, Trump did this to himself by committing the crimes he did. If Trump doesn't want to go to jail, maybe he should have thought about the consequences.

...by submitting a fake slate of electors. I feel like this is not that complex of a concept to grasp, but I'll simplify it for your FOX News-addled mush brain:

Imagine a scenario in which 10 people eating at a restaurant all want to decide what to have for dessert. After some discussion, they've narrowed the choices down to Key Lime Pie or Cheesecake. The kitchen will only make one dessert for the table, so the table has to pick one or the other, they can't have both. Naturally, the table takes a vote to see which dessert a majority of people will be satisfied with. 6 people vote for Key Lime Pie, and 4 people vote for Cheesecake. Key Lime Pie wins. So the table sends one of their group to go and take the order to the kitchen, making it official. But along the way, one of the Cheesecake guys decides that they don't give a shit if most of the people at the table wanted something different and they intercept the guy delivering the order. They tell that person that a few people at the table changed their minds and now Cheesecake actually won so they should tell the chef to make that instead. Of course, the people at the table did not change their minds, this was a lie meant to trick the person delivering the order into doing what they wanted rather than what the majority demanded.

Given that scenario, don't you think it's unfair that the people who voted for Key Lime Pie would have been deprived of the dessert that they actually wanted and most people agreed on had the person who submitted the fake order actually succeeded?

Same thing here. Trump was the government, so there was nothing to overthrow. He overturned the election to remain in power past his mandate. Hence why I'm wondering why you're talking about needing fighter jets to overthrow a government because that's not what we're talking about, nor is violent revolution always a prerequisite for a coup d'état.

Who said anything about overthrowing the government?

His failed plot to overturn the legitimate election by submitting a fake slate of electors? Yes, we remember.

You probably wouldn't hire a convicted felon either, but here we are.

We're waiting at this point for the lower courts to to decide which of Trump's egregious crimes were "official" or not. In the meantime, all his trials get suspended. In January, if he takes office, they will vanish when he becomes a dictator on day one (his words).

Like seriously, I'm tired of whining on the internet about this shit. Where can I go to learn about joining a protest? It's better that doing fuck all by tut-tutting the establishment hellbent on fucking us over while they count their money.

I'm clairvoyant and I can see the future: They won't. It's always been all bark and no bite when it comes to armed revolution here in the states.

I mean, if you want an answer to that you could just stop using your smartphone for a few weeks and see what your brain comes up with. Here's a short list of some examples that were popular when I was a kid and smartphones did not exist yet:

Magazines, the daily newspaper, books, going out and exploring, shopping at malls, doing a hobby or craft, personal projects, television, chit-chatting with friends or even strangers, video games, puzzles, play with your pets, exercise, play sports, sitting quietly and being alone with your thoughts.

The problem is he would never put his support behind anyone other than a corporate approved neoliberal. If he does step down, the person he picks is 110% going to be contentious among base Democrat voters especially among the younger voters. We're not getting Bernie or AOC, full stop.

I also think Democrats are the worst about their purity tests and will turn their noses up at anyone for the slightest reason. When put into that perspective, I'll take the chances with Biden.

Literal last minute decision on this one. SCOTUS is definitely running interference for Trump, without a doubt.

Biden should declare Trump a national security threat and have him assassinated. That's an "official act", is it not? Sure, it helps Biden immensely, but now who is to determine where an official act ends and a private self-serving one begins? Are those two necessarily mutually exclusive?

After the tenth contempt citation.

Not sure why you cut that out of my original paragraph as if I didn't already mention it.

I doubt he’ll make this particular mistake another time, mostly because he’s got too much media scrutiny to still run around with high end call girls.

Oh no, Trump has learned a valuable lesson, just not the one he was supposed to learn. He was supposed to learn "I should not commit fraud", but instead he learned "Why bother with fraud when my idiot supporters would have voted for me anyway?".

All the rest of the cases are either dropped or delayed until after the election. Either way, there’s not going to be a “next conviction” before it no longer matters.

Which is why it's all the more important to keep him out of office. I understand the cynical outlook on the judicial process, especially after what we've seen so far. Between sympathetic judges treating Trump with kid gloves and him getting released on bail after stealing classified documents, it really does highlight that we are living in a two-tiered justice system. But I still believe that the process is working despite it's obvious flaws, and that sooner or later, justice will catch up to Trump and he'll be out of free passes.

A lot of people said that we would never even get as far as we have. It was "Trump will never be indicted", which gave way to "There won't ever be a trial", to "He won't be found guilty" to "they won't sentence him to any prison time".

We can only wait and see next month what they decide to do.

I'll change my mind about .webp when Microsoft Teams can recognize it as an image and display it correctly.