Guess the Magic Mouse design team was getting bored
Asahi Linux 👀
Just be thankful they didn’t put the power cord there like they did with the mouse.
This could be a nice little computer if it had good linux support
What is the
<-->port for? HTML? I thought that was port 80 or 443...Html doesn't use any port, that's HTTP
It's a joke, note the conflation of port (physical connector) and port (one of 65536 virtual pathways for applications). Also, HTTP(S) (port 80 or 443 by default) is literally "Hypertext Transfer Protocol" so it's fair to say it was designed to carry HTML.
Just put it on its side.
Warranty voided.
Apple is powered by the copium of their fanbase, so maybe the next model won't even need a power cable.
It'll still NEED a power cable, it just won't COME with one.
YOU won't need one because you'll already HAVE one from the last Mac Mini you bought last year.
To be fair, aren't those mini PCs meant for HTPCs/home servers? You're not really supposed to turn them off, and if you really want easy power button access you can just set it upside down. I'd say it's a good idea if you take into account that it's aimed at Apple customers who care more about "design" over usability. They truly "think different" over there.
Honestly as infrequently as I turn my machines off this really doesn’t bother me. The mouse on the other hand….
"different" is just another word for "weird"
ThInK DiFfErEnT
I’m not really trying to come to Apple’s defense here as they don’t need it, but everyone reacting as though this is as bad as or worse than the mouse charging port seems to be ignoring the fact that most computers nowadays don’t need to be manually turned off or on with any level of frequency. People will push this button like once or twice a month I imagine. I don’t see why that’s the end of the world.
I think it’s more about design. Apple is a company that has set a high standard for design and premium looking/feeling products. I understand that it still works, but I also think it’s not the best design. It’s just not the expectation Apple has set as a brand. Same goes for the mouse that charges on the bottom.
On one hand, I’m happy that Apple is breaking away from some of their earlier values (e.g. recently allowing for more iOS customization) but I do appreciate how well designed their products tend to be. I hope they don’t get sloppy with future products. So yeah, it’s just a silly power button, but it just seems out of character for their brand.
What the hell are you talking about? I push the power button every single day on my PC. I'm aware that wake on LAN is a thing, but your average computer user doesn't utilize that feature. And only a psychopath who doesn't care about their power bill nor the environment would leave their PC running 24/7.
You can wake a Mac by clicking the mouse or hitting literally any of the hundred+ buttons on the keyboard.
…also this power button is dumb.
I should have considered that I was posting this comment to Lemmy before posting it.
Maybe you push the dedicated power button on your computer’s case everyday but I’m very confident most users of any computer do not. And in that regard I’m including all computers - wearable, handheld, and laptops. We’re well past the age where most users feel the need to fully shutdown and boot their computers everyday, AND there are plenty of software buttons and even some physical keyboard buttons for shutting down a computer so I mean it when I say that I think most computer case’s power buttons go untouched for definitely days and possibly weeks at a time.
Average Windows user L
The average user uses sleep mode and wakes from sleep. Sleep mode should be under 10w, or around $1/mo.
I can't wait for Apple to reveal a desk, with a keyboard built-in underneath the back side of it.
It would be an electric standig desk as well, battery powered obviously, and you would need to flip the table top 90 degrees up sideways to recharge the battery every other month.
People would sleep outside to get their hands on it ASAP.
Unfortunately "punish them by not buying it" won't work for someone as big as them.
okay, I was gonna say that it’s not that big of a deal because you can just slightly lift it when you want to turn it on (or just slide your finder under it, if they’re small enough) but judging by that photo, it seems like the power button is at the back of the computer? whyyyy??
anyways, im more impressed by the fact that their new shiny mouse who finally uses USB-C still has the charging port at the bottom. im starting to think they think it’s a good design???
My theory is: free publicity. Just like the fashion industry comes up with ridiculous clothes that no one would ever wear, attention whores will constantly do outrageous things so that people will talk about them. The number of electrons spilled over this stupid mouse port placement over the years is uncountable. But the repeated conversations keep Apple in the public consciousness as a fashionista.
I just think it’s weird that people are complaining about the power button and the mouse charging situation, but no one is complaining that this DESKTOP computer does not have any USB-A ports. If you want to use any wired keyboard or a Logitech mouse with the adapter you’ll need to attach a dongle. Crazy.
USB-C has been out for years. The only issue IMO is that since USB-C negotiates power delivery, it might not be as easy to split out a USB-C port into multiple USB-C ports. Spitting USB-A ports is easy since they only do 5V, and spitting USB-C into multiple USB-A ports should be fine. But if your peripherals all become USB-C, you might find yourself running out of ports fast.
I am not an expert. I probably got something wrong there, but that’s my understanding.
I'm not an Apple fanboy, nor have I ever purchased one of their products (and I don't plan to), but I'm actually fine with this because there are lots of USB-C mice and keyboards on the market these days in every price range. At the very most, you might have to buy a different cable because the ones I've bought tend to come with USB-C to USB-A cables instead of C to C. But eventually that will change as USB-A is inevitably phased out.
I read someone else musing that they must have thought that keeping it plugged in all the time would be bad, so the made it impossible to use the mouse while plugged in. Seems plausible. I suppose it would degrade the battery? Or the cord drag would be bad?
On the battery, they should have been able to do whatever they thought best in the battery management system, in that case.
Simple answer is easiest, that they are obsessed with the "clean" minimalist look and want to abolish every visible port and buttin they can.
Surprised though that the mouse didn't do the magsafe thing.
Oh no, I'll have to slightly lift a tiny box on my desk several times a year!
After seeing the mouse with ports on the bottom. I'm convinced that there's a disgruntled designer on their team and this is a cry for help.
As someone who has to use heavy/taped-on little toys to cover the power buttons on my PCs or else my cat invariably opens a shutdown dialog in the middle of something… Thank you.
I don't know how to windows, but in Linux I just disable the power button on my laptop. Long press still works, this was to avoid accidentally putting the laptop to sleep when accidentally pressing the power button
I’ll just stick with covering it up. Without fail, if I leave it uncovered my cat will press it. She’s even held it long enough for a forced shutdown twice that I can think of.
You can set the power button in Windows to either, do nothing, make the computer sleep, hibernate the computer, shut down, or turn off the display.
Don't you have to hold the power button in to force to shut down?
Yes, but even pushing it will bring up a prompt, which is annoying. And also my cat has held it down long enough to force a shutdown on my media server before, as well as on my wife’s PC during Overwatch.
And you can disable it in the options.
At least in Windows.
Apparently there is a button on the keyboard, so you get to buy an Apple keyboard (I guess that is bundled?) and don't get to use your own keyboard with it.
Doesn't look like it, or at least, they've not included one before (you just got a power cord), so it's doubtful they would start including one now. Either that, or they're about to release a power-button/TouchID dongle specifically to use as a separate power switch.
We went full circle.
Like a Windows key?
Don't worry, there will be suitable USB accessories available for this.
So they created more vertical space on the case, which would be a perfect spot for a power button - or even more ports… and then didn’t use it.
True to form, if I’m honest.
That aside, I love that they’re getting rid of the idiotic 8GB baseline spec.
Part of the new Apple power bottom design strategy.
I'm not going to get a mac anytime soon, but at least it would stop my cat from powering down everything spontaneously
Yes, and if you complain to much they’ll put the power input on the bottom too next year.
So many people referring to using the button to turn the computer off, but more than 95% of the time, you use the OS to turn a computer off. It’s only when there’s a malfunction you would need to turn it off with a hardware button.
This button is primarily for turning the computer on.
I turn off my computer everyday maybe I'm one of those crazy ones. I think they did that so people would be discouraged to turn it off. They want the users to use their new AI feature. My other thinking is marketing if people talk about your product that's probably a good thing.
Can't listen in if the computer is turned off!
Well like a lover you must reach behind and underneath to turn them on!
...I seriously do not like Apples design language that basically requires me to fondle unseeable parts of the computer to find the power button. Too much risk of spiders back there!
Too much risk of spiders back there!
Found the Australian.
A short press of the power button shuts down almost any computer in existence, why would you use the OS?
You raise a good point
Honestly for me it's muscle memory from the Windows 95 days of "it is now safe to turn off your computer" but I also don't trust the OS to correctly interpret the ACPI signal sent by the power button 100% of the time. Obviously I'm not an average user, but I could see where an average user might consistently single press the power button to turn off a computer
design consistent with the Magic Mouse
I wonder how many people will just have the thing upside down?
users will put something under the buuton, so pushing down the whole PC becomes the power button
A base plate that’s got a spring under it, except for a little nub that pokes the power button.
Terrible if you live in earthquake-prone areas.Wait. Are we describing a bump stock for your computer?
That's genius
Wait, WHAT?
They put the powerbutton on the underside?
For fuck sake Apple...
"Our new Mac Mini is so powerful, so extraordinary, you'll never want to turn it off." -- Tim Apple, probably.
Or they got inspired by the Ericsson Cobra telephone.
Uh how often are you having to power on your Mac mini? I think mines been off like twice last year.
Having the power switch away from where I often blindly poke around to plug cables in, sounds like a good choice.
I guess you could flip it around and make the bottom the top 🙃
You're thinking of a powerbottom, but that's a totally different concept
Might make the thermal dissipation stop working properly
As long as no vents are blocked, should work fine. Anything with a fan is orientation agnostic.
When Think Different turns into differently stupid.
Stupid Differently. Apple’s new slogan.
Dare to be Stupid?
Please don't ever turn your computer off, it makes it really hard to spy on you. Thanks -Apple
Why can't they put the power button on the front where it belongs. It's already stupid that they put it on the back, putting it on the bottom is downright idiotic. If they don't want to mess up the oh so important Apple aesthetic just make it an invisible touch button or something. Apple hates usability.
Desktop macs (not tower macs) has had the powerbutton on the back for decades, it's fine, bottom is shit though....
Back is already bullshit. We have a few trashcan mac pros at work and usually they’re just turned so all the cables stick out towards the user because then you can easily reach the power button. Which makes it look worse than just having a power button in an accessible place aka the front or the top in the first place.
You realize how ironic your suggestion is right ?
invisible touch button [...] hates usability.
I had to check if this was an Onion article...
They wanted to put it inside the unit originally
That's why they put the screen.
I… uh… I know it’s going to be an unpopular opinion, but it makes sense. It’s not intended for daily usage - macs wake up on a keyboard or cursor movement. Sitting on the back increases the chance of accidental presses when you are trying to plug something in.
You have a very few specific incidents where you would need to press the power button. 80% of their user base will not use the power button after the first initial press.
Standby pointlessly draws power. I switch off all devices that don't run on battery for that reason. But I'm not exactly Apple's target audience anyway since I also consider the price before buying stuff.
They are doing the Nike mistake - they are targeting users that have already purchased a Mac. Data-driven decisions are great, but this would just result in alienating people who are not already customers, or chase people out who are unhappy with this decision, so their next purchase will not be a Mac.
I really hope this is one of those tactile hit it from the top and it'll trigger from the bottom designs. But more likely they just never expect you to use it.
Well at least now you can actually see the damn black ports on the silver chassis. The M2 Mac Mini has the black ports on the black backside and it's such a pain in the ass trying to find the USB C ports when I have to connect something.
But yeah, putting the power button on the bottom is peak Apple stupidity.
It looks like you can push the button without lifting the tiny computer.
That would depend heavily on how accessible the computer is and how fat your fingers are. And I can tell you, mine are pretty fat.
We need dimensions from raised bit to not raised bit dammit
I also at first thought it's not that bad, because it looks like the main part of the computer is "hovering", because it stands on that round portion. But then I saw that the button is on the backside! Why? That way you have to reach around everything, making it impossible to fit the thing into some smaller space and still use it. If it was on the bottom but in the front you would still have your beloved button-less design but the button would still be pretty accessible.
On the bottom, in the back...
This is peak nerd rage over something nobody is going to actually care about.
Seeth and bitch over minor design choices while apple prints money.
Imagine a scenario where a bunch of these are used as a server and to power cycle all of them need to turned off.
You've certainly got to have an imagination. Thinking apple is designing a Mac mini for that niche use case and all 12 customers there.
There are few companies in the world who garnish this much attention on nitpicky and inconsequential nerd shit while completely ignoring them designing some absurdly efficient ARM processors on the planet and printing money.
