Trump’s Latest Scheme to Beat Harris May Have Crossed Legal Lines
Trump’s Latest Scheme to Beat Harris May Have Crossed Legal Lines
Donald Trump is reportedly advising Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, which would be a violation of the Logan Act.
He may not be in office, but Donald Trump has been speaking with the powers that be about Israel’s war on Gaza—but it’s not in an effort to end the genocide.
Instead, Trump has allegedly been talking with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal, fearing that doing so could help Vice President Kamala Harris win in November, according to PBS.
“The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the Prime Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because it’s believed that would help the Harris campaign,” said PBS’s Judy Woodruff Monday night. “So, I don’t know where—who knows whether that will come about or not, but I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, and that’s to work on that one.”
Everyone who says "They're both equally bad. I refuse to vote for either candidate because they both support genocide" can shut the fuck up now.
I strongly suspect most of the people pushing that particular line aren't eligible to vote... in American elections, that is.
I don't, I know what it was like to be an optimistic young adult. I understand the allure of holding strong to an ethical code while others' compromises seem to make the progress all too slow.
The truth is that this shit takes time and requires a lot of pressure - and that's a fucking bitter pill to swallow.
They could have also shut the fuck up at any point previous, but we’ll accept “now” as well.
THANK YOU. Jesus fucking Christ thank you. I'm so sick of this shit
I'm really tired of Trump not being in prison.
I’m really tired of Trump not being in prison.
Yes, but I'm more tired of realizing he will never be in prison. There's not a judge in the country that seems willing to do more than make him fork over a little of his pocket lint. And if it's ever more than that, it's still going to be an ankle bracelet and a 1% lifestyle.
One justice system for the rich and powerful, another for the rest of us.
If Trump were ever facing real jail time, he would hie himself off to Russia or Saudi Arabia. Which would be better than nothing, to be sure.
It would be great if nature took its course because the legal system never fucking will.
Merrick Garland is such a disappointment.
Assuming the election goes in a positive direction, this might be the feds just letting him make his own bed… and hopefully, they throw the book at him afterwards. It’s of course a moot point if he wins, for a lot of reasons.
Edit: fwiw I don’t disagree with the pessimism. Justice delayed is justice denied.
what book? The supreme court just ruled that presidents have immunity from criminal prosecution for anything that can be considered “official acts.” So nixon wouldn’t have to worry if he were president now.
hopefully, they throw the book at him afterwards
This is the same genre as the people who insisted that Merrick Garland was just dotting his i's and crossing his t's before nailing Trump.
Oh please, 6they seem to be waiting for Trump to walk right into a prison cellt, lock himself in and throw away the key
This bs excuse has been peddled since 2016
If the election goes the right way we can have another 4 years of ccourthouse drama l. After which we will b back where we r today.
Oh fuck no that's not it.
I’m tired of him not being in Hell.
I think the last Republican presidential candidate to sabotage peace talks to help his own campaign was Richard Nixon in the Vietnam War, so Trump is just continuing their tradition of killing innocents for personal gain.
Reagan sabotaged the Iran hostages deal
So it is rumored
And those are only the ones we know of; dealing in death is pretty standard fare for people high up in Washington
It's not rumors anymore. It's a settled fact.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a43368900/reagan-iran-hostages/
Bruh. Reagan.
Throwback to Reagan’s team intentionally sabotaging negotiations for the Iran hostage crisis, so it would make Jimmy Carter look bad right before the election.
With Roger fucken Stone lurking in the background in both situations.
Also Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks.
Yeah, Nixon got the presidency for it when it should’ve gotten him the rope. I don’t think trump will get either out of this
Yhe gop needs to be banned.
How did that not get him insta-arrested for treason.
The "genocide Joe" crowd is deafeningly silent on this development, i see. How surprising.
Dachau Donald? Treblinka Trump?
Terezin Trump is probably more appropriate, given the fakeness of both.
Not sure why you would expect them to be going nuts on this. This is just one more in a long line of terrible things Trump supports, but he is not going to change stance on this for a bunch of people not in his party complaining online.
Genocide Joe has run its course, in my opinion. Biden is no longer the nominee, and despite all the hand wringing about foreign shills by people who see Russian manipulation in their own shadows, polls seem to indicate this was an overwhelmingly positive move for the Democrats. Harris is not my ideal candidate, but the Genocide Joe moniker was part of a campaign during primary season and leading up to the nomination to not have Biden as the nominee, and it accomplished this.
This is just some weak what aboutism from sore losers. No shit Trump has worse stances on this issue than Biden, but I can't vote in primaries other than my registered party in my state, and the GOP was never going to replace him as nominee over this issue anyway.
Genocide Joe crowd knows Biden was a better choice than Trump. They know Kamala is a better choice than Trump. In every metric there is.
Having said that just because they r the better choice doesnt give them free reign in colluding with genocidal foreign countries who are directly and indirectly trying to influence the election. Just because they r not our enemy doesnt mean they r allowed any and every infraction they wish to do.
They just want to be heard that they don't support Israel ignoring the genocide it is perpetrating in Gaza and the US's role in it.
You don't seem to understand the frustration they r feeling having this binary choice. If push comes to shove n they vote they will vote Kamala.
Buddy, I understand the frustration. We are all feeling that frustration. It's just that most of us understand the reality of the situation.
I like to think that people like you are either concern trolls, or naive first time voters. Because anything else is fucking depressing.
This genocide has been going on for literal decades, but suddenly "progressives" such as yourself care enough to possibly spoil the most important election in history, and hand the reins to someone who will literally be 1000x worse for Palestine. What a convenient time to grow a conscience (and/or bother doing a modicum of research into one of the longest, ongoing conflicts in modern history).
If you actually give a shit about these people, you will vote for Harris. Otherwise, you're just talk, and your actions (or inaction if you refuse to vote) will be directly responsible for what happens next if Trump wins. You will be explicitly complicit in Israel's inevitable ramping up of the genocide, and the blood of the millions of Palestinians that will die because of it will be on your hands.
Just remember that when you wake up Nov. 5th.
The "genocide Joe" crowd are, for the most part, well aware that Trump is just as bad for Gaza as Joe is. They're not arguing for supporting Trump, they're arguing that both choices are bad.
This is not a rational position, obviously, because if you care about protecting Palestine you're still better off supporting the Dems to avoid the worse option of Trump, but for a lot of people it's hard to stomach the idea of voting for a murderer, no matter what the justification is. The not entirely unreasonable argument is that voting for the Dems to avoid the worse option basically encourages the Dems to be more shitty because they know they can always throw the threat of the GOP in everyone's faces when they're called out. I don't agree with this argument, but I see how it's compelling to people.
They're not Trump supporters - at least, not intentionally - they're just sick of the whole dicochtomy of being asked to choose between bad and worse. I can understand their frustration, even if I don't agree with the choice they're making.
I agree, for the most part. However, i do believe a lot of them are Trump supporters, willingly.
Except the ones which are saying it simply to encourage people to stop voting. They do that to dem voters only though suspiciously
There is no comparison between the two. Trump is unimaginably worse. The only thing anyone has against Biden is his son (which isn't anything to do with him) and Israel, which Biden is likely trying to get a ceasefire in the background
I'm sitting here in Australia as he's telling you guys exactly how he is going to fuck you over.. He's dropping hints constantly that he won't leave power and introduce laws to extend his term if he wins
He's definitely going to pardon more criminals. It's scary to think of how much damage he'll do on a second term internationally, as he's done plenty the first time.
If Trump ends his term knowing he's going to jail, don't be surprised if he leaks all the classified information to everyone to make it seem like he's fighting for freedom and try to get more power
What does this even mean? Leftists want an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza. The only way that happens is if the US stops funding their genocide campaign. If Biden (or Harris/Trump as the next president) had any interest, they could just do that. They won't, but they could.
If you think leftists want Trump to sabotage the minute possibility that Biden will finally do the right thing, then you fundamentally misunderstand the situation.
Is it ok for Democrats to continue financing a genocide because Trump said he'd do it, too?
Biden isn't even in the race anymore. Why are you still trying to defend him?
They didn't jail Nixon or that shitbag kissenger for the same shit, doubt anything will be done about this. Hell, both of those asshats got to live out their years rubbing elbows and "advising" the political elite of both parties.
Didn't Nixon do the same thing with the Vietnam war?
And Regan with Iran hostages. It's almost like Republicans always pull this shit and never get in trouble for it...
Sabotaged the Paris peace talks that traitor, self-serving bastard.
Woohoo maybe this time there will be consequences since he is not president and it can't be an official act ...
How has that worked out so far?
Let's find out in 5 years.
To spoil his legacy like this, he must be so ashamed.
Spoil his legacy? Like, if someone treads in a huge, perfectly formed, steaming hot dog turd? That kind of spoilt legacy?
And shame? The man is a weapons-grade narcissistic arsehole. He doesn't know the meaning of the word.
Wow, if only there was something we could do about people crossing legal lines. Alas, we have tried nothing and are out of ideas.
If only we had, like, books or documents with laws written down in them, so we could know for certain when legal lines are crossed. That way headlines could just say "Trump broke the law", instead of "Trump may have broken the law. We're not sure, but yeah probably. We think. Maybe? Who knows?"
I mean they have tried a few things, republicans keep blocking it.
The Logan Act was passed in 1799. A grand total of two people were charged with violating it, and none were convicted.
Those fun facts are never going to change. Prosecutors should find something else to charge Trump with, it won't be hard.
The trouble with prosecuting Trump under the Logan Act is that, technically, the ceasefire would not be an agreement between the US and a foreign government. It would be an agreement between Israel and Hamas. Here's the text of the act:
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Now, I would argue that brokering a ceasefire counts as "measures of the United States," but it's not a slam dunk legal argument. Trump put a fuckton of sympathetic activist judges on the bench, including three Supreme Court Justices, so I don't have any faith that he will be held accountable.
Trump put a fuckton of sympathetic activist judges on the bench, including three Supreme Court Justices, so I don’t have any faith that he will be held accountable.
While judicial corruption is a real risk, this sort of assumed helplessness just lets them implement it without actually doing the corruption and putting their credibility on the line. And it could be applied to literally anything. Once you assume the Court will always act corruptly, it doesn't matter whether a legal question exists, they'll do it anyway.
He probably won't be held accountable, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be initiating court cases for every violation of the law. They can die in the Supreme Court and be added to the list of reasons for why extreme reforms are necessary.
or to defeat the measures of the United States
My first thought is that the US is trying to broker a cease fire, so that should definitely count as a measure of the US.
The founding fathers weren't unaware of international affairs and that countries do things that are not in relation to their own country. So that last clause seems to specifically address those other things.
How about the media stop using caveats like "may have" when shit is entirely 100% clear.
There are laws on the books regarding things like this. There is no may have. It's cut and fucking dried.
Because they don’t want to be sued.
It's only libel if it's not true. If he threatens to sue, grow some balls, call his bluff and make him prove it's not true in court.
Threatening to sue, effectively forcing the media to back down because it would too inconvenient to deal with a suit is how Trump keeps getting away with his bullshit.
No, it's about access. They don't want to lose access.
There is the Logan Act, but he likely would not be prosecuted under it, let alone convicted. From Wikipedia:
Only two people have ever been indicted on charges of violating the Act, one in 1802 and the other in 1852. Neither was convicted.
The Logan Act gets talked about much more than it has ever been used. There's also a debate as to whether the Logan Act is even unconstitutional.
Also trump is above the law so the headline is pointless
They really can't say "has" because it's possible he wins the case in court. It should be something like "seems to have" though. "May have" means there'd a chance. It should be something that means "it is likely."
Sorry, but no.
The presumption of innocence doesn’t work that way. It’s a legal fiction imposed upon the courts and justice system as a means of (poorly) protecting the civil rights and liberties of those who are accused.
On that, it’s a very important “fiction”- don’t get me wrong.
What it does not do, however, is change historical reality. If Jackass murders a homeless woman, Jackass is a murderer- even if that woman’s murder was never properly investigated, and he was never suspected/indicted/arraigned/convicted for murder.
One’s guilt at having committed a crime does not, in fact, change based on the outcome of a trial. After all the officers of the court, and the jury, are all human and prone to errors. They get it wrong. Sometimes that means guilty people go free, and sometimes that means innocent people are convicted.
But the truth of that guilt is established when one commits a crime.
So I’ll say it: Trump is a mass murderer.
As president, he had a legal, moral and ethical obligation to act to protect Americans from harm during moments of crisis
This includes from things like COVID. He had a moral, ethical, and legal obligation to voice sound medical guidance like “hey folks, I know it’s tough and it looks a little silly, but we need you to stay home if you can, and if you can’t, wear a mask. A real mask.”
He failed us in that moment of crisis and as a direct consequence of his rampant bullshit; millions of Americans needlessly died.
There has been no consequences to his actions so of course he is going to do whatever he wants.
He's got what, 34 federal crime convictions?
He's still running around and the media is still treating him like some random dude running for president, oh look what crazy don said seven times today!
Shits ridiculous
No, a random dude would have been in prison years ago for doing a fraction of the shit this man has done.
Low level bureaucrats working in municipal government are subject to much stricter ethics rules. It's absurd.
Wouldn't be the first time he has 'crossed legal lines'.
However, wouldn't it be great if it was the last time?
Just wait and see: all it takes is for a judge to tell him not to do it - ten consecutive times, THEN threaten with actual consequences, and THEN you may or may not see him become more circumspect about his transgressions in order to skirt the legal line a tiny bit less obviously!
After all: everyone is equal before the law!*
*Unless you bought the highest judges and make them declare you an absolute ruler immune to criminal law.
Netanyahu revealing which part of the US he's really an "ally" of. Maybe stop giving blank checks to a foreign power destabilizing your country
while you only hand out loans and debt to Ukraine?First of all, there aren’t any blank checks. Foreign aid isn’t a lump sum of money just given to a country. We allocate it to a spending purse and they can choose to spend it on specific items the US agrees upon, which is usually weapons. We don’t just give them cash.
Second, which debt? The US hasn’t issued any debt to Ukraine since the war started, except for possibly private companies.
I agree with your sentiment, just not the facts.
I might be wrong about the loans and debt to Ukraine, just tried to double check it and couldn't so I don't know where I got that idea. I'm glad then if this isn't the case. Thanks for the callout on that.
But I was aware of how Israel receives aid, and while calling it a blank check might be an exaggeration, that point still stands. The fact that they receive it as credit for offensive wide area weapons probably encourages them more to use said weapons with destructive consequences to their civilian population, and that Israel might say to the US that it will consider a two state solution while they condemn, accuse of antisemitism, and break ties who recognize those who would recognize the Palestine state says they are definitely being duplicitous at best. What is happening in the West Bank speaks for Israel's true intent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqK3_n6pdDY
He's been campaigning for Republicans since Romney ran in 2012.
nail him for treason
I'll believe it when he's in jail. This orange turd is practically made of as slipperonium.
“I did encourage him to get this over with. You want to get it over with fast. Have victory, get your victory, and get it over with. It has to stop, the killing has to stop,” Trump said at a New Jersey press conference on Thursday, referring to their meeting at Mar-a-Lago last month. But he also criticized cease-fire demands.
In other words Trump wants to have a quick genocide. That is the only way to stop the killing, without having a ceasefire. Even Biden was a hell of a lot better then this.
"Mr.Trump which is worse of the following: 100,000 dead in 12 minutes or 100,000 dead in 12 months?"
"Time is money, people! Obviously a quick genocide is more efficient!"
oh the old reagan october surprise countermeasure.
Alternate title: “Donald Trump DEFINITELY broke the law. You won’t BELIEVE what happened next!”
You underestimate my ability to believe
that photo says:"handjob is done"
You don’t say.
Can y'all merkins just throw that conman in to the clink? The rest of the world is tired of his bullshit.
I've had this crazy theory that ever since Clinton's second term, the presidents have been playing out in reverse order and politics:
-Bush was the anti George H Bush
-Obama was the anti-Reagan
-Trump was the anti-Carter
-Biden was the anti-Ford
This feels like the anti-Iran contra play, anti-Carter working with Israelis to prevent hostages from being released until after the election.
If anybody deserves to be locked up for being a clear and present danger to society, it's this guy. At the very least, he should be forbidden from using a phone, then locked up when he eventually breaks that rule because he thinks that none of the rules apply to him. The way he's treated, the government is basically encouraging that.
Pretty sure i just heard the ghost of Henry Kissinger slaping himself in a hurried facepalm.
As Israel is in conflict with Palestine, not the United States; would that even be covered by the logan act?
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized American citizen.
Then there's actually proving this negotiation took place and isn't hearsay; from a legal perspective...
Somehow, I don't forsee this being acted on.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Whenever he does (the tiniest of) fists, I instantly realize there’s nothing to gain from reading/watching further. That accounts for 99.9% of times and why I set a high standard on fist measurements, although I live in EU and US politics only concern as far as influence goes, which reaches way deep here
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Palestinian poet Mosab Abu Toha, who escaped the besieged country in December, reported on Monday that the humanitarian area in south Gaza is little more than 14 square miles.
“Crammed in it are more than 1.8 million people, with no water, no electricity, no food, no clinics or pharmacies, and no shelters,”
How's that work? Oh right is an obvious false statement.
Edit: Well it has been 3 days since this post. Rest in peace to all 1.8 million people at the humanitarian zone who having no water died of thirst after 3 days in the desert.
It's ridiculous to blame Trump for the lack of a ceasefire between Palestine and Israel. Why not just blame Trump for the war in Ukraine as well or the stolen election in Venezuela.
He’s literally calling the prime minister and asking him not to do it with of course the perceived benefit of kickbacks from Trump if he were to win.
Do you have Trump cum in your brain from sucking him off so hard? Is that where your critical faculties went?
Why not just blame Trump for the war in Ukraine
I've heard more than one Lemmy-ite make this claim. Of course, I've also heard any criticism of the Israel genocide is the product of Russian botnets and Iranian sleeper agents.
The scapegoating is off the charts. Anything I don't want to think about is due to a nefarious foreigners and their kompromat fifth columnists at home.
Mask-off moment.
