@[email protected] What is your feeling on voting for Cornel West? Just curious

Oh yeah it’s all that fuckin Chinese titanium

People were so worried thinking about titanium that they just plumb forgot to put the bolts in, but yeah if we can fix the titanium I’m sure that’ll clear right up

So if fascism is coming, all we gotta do is not vote, and it won’t come.

Dude you gotta tell some of these activists and academics, they’ve been saying all KINDS of stuff about what we should be doing. They’ll be super stoked to hear it’s just the people who keep voting that are the problem and the solution is so simple.

Totally normal.

If I went into a Brazilian political forum and was super enthusiastic about telling the Brazilians who they should be voting for, and then after I made it sort of a part time job for a while, someone realized that I don't speak Portuguese and asked hey what's up with that, where are you from, and I said not, oh my wife is from Brazil so I'm into it, or yeah I moved here I'm living in Rio for the year for work but I haven't learned, or none of your business why but yes it's of interest to me, but HOW DARE YOU AD HOMINEM ME and receive it as an attack... yeah that would be super normal. Totally ordinary stuff.

Don’t forget getting CIA assets killed by the dozens and regularly shitting on himself

Surely it is a mark of the solid correctness of all of their views.

Just like Russia is the world’s most awesome military and economic juggernaut and it’s super not fair for anyone to be allowed to attack inside their borders because that is cheating.

Serious answer: Sharp haircut and good suit

(Assuming you are generally fit, capable to make eye contact, generally meet the basics in addition)

TL;DR fuck no

Tell you what, set me up so I can talk to the authors; they can raise their “debunkings” and I can respond in detail, and they’re okay publishing that alongside their misinformation. If having your world views challenged can be a two way street, then I’m so down.

If it is just me being required to give views to what I am highly confident is a bunch of bullshit trying to ruin the democracy in a country I care about, then no, I think I will not.

You’re not from the US, correct? I didn’t see you answer the guy who asked who it was that taught you to write decimal points to separate thousands groupings when writing a dollar amount.

I have watched a couple of Second Thought videos before. I don’t think I need to augment the experience any further.

(Actually I did just click on it, play a few seconds, and then click away, to damage their ranking slightly in the algorithm.)

$150 billion in student loan forgiveness

40% reduction in carbon emissions by 2030

Income inequality going down for the first time in God knows how long, with working class wages rising faster than even pretty historic inflation

If you are invested in things like, I need you to not raise corporate taxes, or I need you not to send weapons to Ukraine, then I am sure the Democrats have been very disappointing yes. But there are a lot of people for whom that is not the viewpoint.

You're misunderstanding what exactly they were referring to, the modern trad wife movement

Yeah this is a fair point - way back up in my original comment I covered a couple different ways in which the internet “tradwife” thing is fucked, but I didn’t also say that it is explicitly approving of some of the most toxic and misogynistic parts of “conservative” society whether modern or old-school. The whole thing is a core of authoritarianism wrapped in a thin veneer of “traditional gender roles”. I can see I kind of left the door open for misinterpretation because I spoke up about the second without really distinguishing it from the first, when conflating the two is the whole “tradwife influencer” shtick and that’s relevant here. It is fair.

I also really think you need to check yourself on the "it's your fault conservatives make wild accusations about queer people" bit there.

Also not what I meant, although I could see how it could have sounded that way.

What I meant is, if someone’s applying a whole toxic stereotype to 100% of people who pursue a lifestyle they don’t vibe with, that’s wrong, regardless of who’s on which side of it. Not that prejudice against traditional gender roles has any kind of causal relationship with prejudice against non traditional gender roles.

I haven’t seen it for a while; it was mostly a kind of joke on my part as applied to the propaganda people in the present day. But yeah it used to be super common as of a few months ago to see overlap between “Biden’s no good for Americans I’m not voting and you shouldn’t either” and “NATO needs to stop meddling in Ukraine and blocking peace, this whole war is the West’s fault” on the same account.

Fun thing if you see someone advocating for voting for a third party: Ask them who. If they say Jill Stein or Cornel West, ask whether they agree with those candidates’ opinions about NATO. My bet is that you won’t get an answer.

I came in here for exactly this.

DON’T GET COMPLACENT

Here is how to volunteer for text banking, apparently. I plan to get off Lemmy and do some later today.

The fuckin world could still end in January. Don’t get all complacent.

Yeah dude. Everyone’s just looking for an enemy to dunk on. It’s like “Aha! I got one!” and they get all excited to debunk some kind of imaginary shit that no one involved in the conversation is saying.

Eh. I was trying to keep it productive. Railcar8095 already made in a nicer way the point that I made in an argumentative way and then deleted.

I meant it’s good that it is finally weird in a good way

I’m gonna be honest, I read “Traditional gender roles are abusive 100% of the time,” and didn’t bother to read anything else. Maybe that makes me the bad faith guy, but I feel like once I’ve taken one bite of the dinner and it tasted that obviously wrong, I don’t need to just keep eating and hope it gets better.

I just went back and skimmed your whole comment. Okay, so you’re talking about the abusive legal structures that often went alongside consenting traditional roles. Yes, those are fucked, as I already said. If you are against those, I am with you on that, and I am aware that people sometimes call those “traditional” as a way of excusing them. As I already said, that’s not what I am doing and not what I am talking about.

We’re saying, I think, more or less the same thing, as far as what parts are okay and what parts are not. Although you’re still framing it in a way that seems like it’s making this blanket statement about the other grouping that would never be okay directed at a queer or otherwise “friendly” grouping.

Edit: Made less inflammatory

100% of the time, huh

Just an unbroken line of black eyes and unwanted pregnancies going back to the beginning of time, huh

Dude. If you want conservatives to steer clear from making wild accusations about what goes on in queer communities and why their whole lifestyle is unhealthy and awful 100% of the time, so they don’t need any further evidence other than just participating in the lifestyle to accuse everyone of taking part in some kind of horror even if they are just innocent people trying to live their life without being shamed for it, you need to extend the same courtesy.

I feel like we’re going in circles. That’s my take on it though.

There is something wrong with a traditional gender role life.

No there isn’t.

If a queer person is empowered to tell a conservative that “listen I’m gonna need you to STFU about my lifestyle choices, there’s not a thing wrong with them if that’s what I have decided to do” - which is 100% fair - then any person who feels that traditional gender roles suit them fine needs to be empowered to make the same STFU statement to anyone who’s somehow decided that they get to make the same determination on behalf of someone who just wants a family and kids and a farm somewhere, because they’ve decided that’s what will make them happy.

Misogyny is misogyny. “Normal” gender roles are different. Maybe the issue is a difference of definitions; there’s a certain amount of spousal abuse and authoritarianism that got written down as “traditional” by the ones that like to practice it. If that’s what you’re talking about or what you thought I meant by “traditional,” I will be fully in agreement with you that it’s fucked. What I am talking about is something different though.