These people sound like exact copies of the people saying voting in 2000 didn't matter, and that turned out to be the most politically consequential of my lifetime. Gore was imperfect as they all are, but holy fuck did Dubya fuck up literally everything he touched.
Among many, many, many things, Dubya started forever wars killing untold hundreds of thousands of people. He accelerated oil and gas production, absolutely setting the Climate Change world on a pace for disaster. He seated Alito, unquestionably the biggest monster currently on the Supreme Court. And he passed a monster tax cut for the rich that set us on this path of unrestrained deficit spending.
And that's just the headlines. Remember when he tried to put his personal lawyer on the Supreme Court? lol
Gen X already tried this 25 years ago and it fucked the world up so badly that we need to be saved by the future generations. Imagine not learning that lesson and doing it again.
I always wonder how Gore might have acted in response to 9/11.
Don't forget in his first week or so he passed No Child Left Behind, which has irreparably damaged the education of children in this country.
https://www.epi.org/publication/what_went_wrong_with_no_child_left_behind/
Man, what I would do to have an unabashed giant nerd for president. I forget what people's issue with Gore even was.
I, personally sat out that election because I didn't like Al's wife, Tipper Gore. She led the charge in a bunch of manufactured outrage about obscenity in music. I was also a jaded, cynical gen-xer who'd been hearing the importance of voting as long as I could remember, but every election was just choosing between a douchbag and a turd sandwich.
Looking back on everything that happened after that election, it's insane to imagine how different things would be now if Gore had been in office instead of the criminal enterprise that we ended up with.
Gore was the watershed moment of the white left deciding no progress is allowed to happen unless it's by their hands and they get all the credit.
Nader fired up his campaign in swing states as an act of retaliation against Gore posing himself as the climate candidate.
That's it.
The Greens had a meltdown that the thing that usually happens to third parties in this country, that is having their platforms become the mainstream if they make enough noise, was happening to them, and they decided we're not allowed to make any progress on climate unless we do it through them so fuck Gore and fuck anyone who'd dare support that disgusting "mOdErAtE!"
What really gets my goat is how some people now act like George W Bush is this respectable elder statesman that only did his best and oh, how cute, he's friends with Michelle Obama. Like, sure, next to Trump he looks like a political savant, but come on, he still was a total piece of shit that did lasting damage.
He literally lost the popular vote, how does "vote more" mean anything
Protest voters who supported Stein alone would have flipped every single rust belt state had they decided on the country over feeling validated in wanting to vote "for" someone, and Zoomers and Millenials simply matching their share of the population in turnout could have propelled Bernie to the front of the primaries and over the finish line.
Nevermind how not voting let trump happen, not voting let clinton happen.
True story. If Gen X didn’t vote they literally died. /s
There are legitimate criticisms to be had of Biden, but in every case, Trump is unambiguously worse. If Trump were pro-Palestine, I could maybe understand single-issue voters preferring him to Biden...but he's not.
To be honest, I have little hope for 2024. Genuine fake news is rampant, and in pretty much every case it hurts Biden (misinformation about the economy, etc.). I'll be voting a straight Dem ticket in my very red state, and hoping against all hope that uninformed voters somehow do the right thing.
no one is saying they're going to vote for trump. they're saying they won't vote for biden
Lmao, that's the epitome of something that sounds smart but is incredibly stupid when you think about it. Especially in response to this meme.
In FPTP not voting for the chosen democratic representative means one vote less is required for the conservative. It doesn't matter if that's because you added a vote for Democrats, or didn't vote at all. Same for voting 3rd party, it just ensures you get the candidate you want the least.
Fascinating
"Sure, I made the ongoing genocide worse, but at least I didn't vote for GENOCIDE JOE" - Useful idiots for the Israeli far-right
Is PugJesus hired by the DNC? David Brock's Correct The Record part deux?
Looks to me like PugJesus just made a simple observation. No sorosbucks needed.
A critical refinement of this point: By all means, please do vote for whichever actual progressive candidate you favor in your state's Democratic primary. This is not sarcasm; do it. But when the general election comes around Biden is inevitably the candidate anyway, do whatever it takes to keep Trump out of office.
If you're in a red area, consider voting in the Republican primary in good faith. (Don't try nominating the worse candidate. The backfire is terrible.) You're still allowed to vote for whoever you want in the general. This election primaries will largely be about down ticket races, but that's important too.
That would require them to actually give enough of a shit to turn out for primaries, and president Bernie can tell you that none of these fake allies actually care enough to wrench themselves from their two bit Jean-Paul Marat act for such a herculean labor.
See Bernie 2016. Won the DNC, but got snake in the grass Hillary instead, which led to understandable mass apathy amongst the Democratic voters. I'm still pissed! Kinda like what reportedly happened with McGovern '72
And why shouldn't Biden do whatever it takes to stop Trump? If supporting a genocide loses votes, there's an easy way to win those votes back.
How do we know supporting Israel isn’t getting him more votes then not supporting Israel?
Woah woah woah, you mean actually try to win votes through rational and humane policy and not merely the fact that he's running against a human piece of shit and is technically better? You mean that we should have someone with actual principles on the democratic ticket instead of someone nodding along and sending weapons to a genocidal government? Outrageous wow why do you love Trump so much
It's not that simple. Changing positions will probably polarize people to vote against him as much as it will win over votes to him.
Especially because those who are likely to withhold votes over this will probably demand the most drastic of actions before Biden passes their purity test.
Geopolitically it's a bad move on top of that as it ends the relationship with practicallythe only middle Eastern power we have as an ally.
The reproductions of that alone is certain to energize opposition to Biden in the far right.
While he may lose voters over his current inaction, taking action could easily lead to a net loss on election day.
Unfortunately what is best for a country geopolitically and what is morally right often don't agree with each other.
I just can't wait for those of us in the queer community to either be thrown in camps or flee the company, all so that the people who didn't vote can tell me it's actually because of Biden.
As a trans person, it's been so upsetting how quickly the people who claim to support you just ignore the looming danger. They don't want to vote for Biden because he supports a genocide while ignoring the genocide that's about to happen in our own country.
What's really terrifying, is that history repeats itself. The Weimar Republic of the 1920's was supportive of trans Rights as well, like America currently, it had the first trans health center, including the first governmental support for trans people Transvestitenschein
Then someone who had a huge gang of violent thugs took over power and all his enemies ended up dead or locked up.
You know those, "if you could go back and shoot Hitler before he came to power" thought experiments? But I would never condone violence...
EXACTLY.
Yes, I get it, things are shit. Innocent people and children are dying. You can and should be upset about that. But we don't have the luxury of taking our ball and going home. Even more people are going to get hurt if Biden doesn't win.
It's a myth that there isn't anything to vote for, only against. We have LGBT rights to vote for. Minority rights. Protecting vulnerable Americans. Stopping fascism.
Let my future kids and their kids call me a genocide supporters for voting for Biden. As long as they can identify as who they want and love who they want without any persecution, I'll accept the condemnation.
For real - we've got youth bans all over the place, just got an adult effective ban in Ohio, with more and more states making existing as trans in public a jail-able offense, but GeNoCiDe JoE
Especially frustrating when it's coming literally from a trans person. In a high-risk state. It boggles the mind.
I have a queer daughter and these people who say you shouldn't vote for Biden (but they're not saying Trump should win!) scare me.
Queer people keep telling me Palestine is a nice place, maybe that's a better option than America?
S/
You're right but a bunch of people just don't care anymore and I can't totally blame them. I'll be voting biden because I always vote, but this is on democrats 100% if they can't motivate their base.
I think the issue is more rooted in people like you. Spewing voter suppression rhetoric from somewhere but it's rooted in propaganda. Rather than rallying people to help and pointing out the good, which is what gets people motivated, you instead choose to blame the people trying not to turn America into a neo-nazi fascist theocracy. Which is the root at which the meme is getting at lol.
Unless it's simple cat and dog pics (even then sometimes) people on the internet just love to pretend they're above the people who watch reality TV, when it's just a different flavor of the same thing.
If you're interested in convincing people to vote for Biden (which I think is the best option we'll have this election) then I would urge you to talk about the contributions he's made, and to stop telling people who don't want to vote for him that they're the reason the fascists might win. Even if it were true, telling them that will not convince anyone to vote for Biden.
It's also misguided to blame voters for not voting the way you want. If you want a vote, you have to convince the voter! Oh, is the voter too stupid or evil to understand that the candidate is the best? That's a candidate problem. It's literally how democracy works.
Meh
I can, some of us live this shit enough that being able to not care is a fucking privilege we don't have.
I blame those backstabbing privileged twats all the way to my grave and then haunt their asses for being able to and choosing to not care.
Fuck your apathy, I want to live, and you shitbags owe it to me and those like me to do the literal minimum that helps achieve that if you want all the glitz and glam of marching alongside us at pride as if you are our allies.
Listen bro, im voting biden but im going to complain the whole damn time, you can take it or leave it.
Did people forget that Trump was up Netanyahu's ass during his presidency?
Man literally handed east Jerusalem and the Golan Heights over on a platter to bibi and the white left are still on about how not voting will totally teach the establishment their lesson this time.
Man literally handed east Jerusalem and the Golan Heights over on a platter
It wasn't the US's to give. Israelis were encroaching on East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights for decades. There's very little reason to believe a Bidencrat would have held them back any more than the current President is restraining them in Gaza. Both parties are wholly subservient to the AIPAC lobbyists and will bend over backwards to appear in line with Israeli foreign policy.
I'll spot you that Barack Obama in particular was an exception to this rule. But by 2016, his foreign policy demands were being completely ignored from DC to Riyahd. I don't see a President Hillary or even a President Bernie performing meaningfully better. Certainly, nobody was going to have the balls of an 80s-era Reagan and threaten to pull military funding if the Israelis didn't back off. Even Obama couldn't manage that back in 2014, when the Israelis bombed the shit out of the southern half of Lebanon.
Don't forget the Deportation Force that's going to round up 11 million people and deport them. I wish I was joking.
And by deport they probably mean throw in concentration camps and then murder en masse.
If that happens, I wonder what the Mexican government and the cartels would say.
You guys wouldn't have this clusterfuck if you just had a parliamentary system. Don't like the non-reactionary liberal candidate? Great, just vote for whoever else you like, and even if they don't win, they can still join efforts with the lesser evil to make sure the far right doesn't return to power. It also has the added benefit that it doesn't force the whole right wing of the country to cater to the rabid reactionaries on the rise, because those just make a different party that has to balance the distribution of their power with their less mad allies.
You're talking about a proportionally representative parliamentary system.
The UK has a parliamentary system and it's still just as possible for the opposition to be entirely powerless for 5 years at a time.
First past the post voting. That's the problem.
Parliamentary or not. The actual voting system is the problem.
(Looks at Canada) There is zero proof of what you just said.
Canada, the UK, Taiwan, Italy, ... mf Israel for Christ's sake.
One single country isn't a great example. Taking a look at both Europe and North America, the countries with parliamentary systems have seen how the growth of their far rights has been far slower than those with presidential systems (USA and France). Canada is also a rare example of a modern, Western parliamentary system where a two party system emerges naturally, as opposed to many opposite examples in Europe.
We have it here in the UK and it's pretty shitty, closest time out came to working we had a coalition government where the liberal democrats campaigned on leftwing values then helped the Tories get in power and did the opposite of everything they'd promised. We also get strings of prime ministers running the country for a few weeks while they give their friends free money then quit when their actual criminal crimes are discovered so the next etonian can have a turn
Who would have thought having more than two choices for who governs a country of 330 million with a nuclear arsenal would be a smart thing..
This is the key issue with the US system. People and parties complain about gerrymandering but the party in power only changes the map to profit in the next election instead of establishing a democratic system where every vote counts the same. It's the same issue in Germany with direct mandates, which allow absolute minority parties to be represented in the parliament.
Parliamentary is still First Past The Post for members of parliament. The PM is effectively the leader of the biggest party (yes lots of caveats but that's how it plays out).
This should be a lovely comment section... I'll have to return with some nice warm dinner and a drink later.
Don't forget some popcorn.
It's still pretty wild in here
I feel like posts like these always fail to realize how fucked of a situation US 'democracy' is in where you must vote for one shitty candidate because the other is literally a fascist.
Like no actually some people have decided that the entire system is untenable - they no there's a lesser of two evils, but they refuse to partake of an illegitimate system.
And those people are short sighted morons
Yeah, but to me that seems worst. If the fascist comes to power by a slim a majority, it's these 'honorable' citizens to blame. Voting is a simple act that holds tons of power. I'm not gonna say that one vote could change the tide, but the past two elections have been slim where key voters in certain states can certainly change the outcome of the election.
If you want to change the system, you don't fix it by throwing your hands up and say 'I don't want to play anymore'. You fix it by voting and pestering the fuck out of your representatives to change the laws.
I don't think that's right. At least most of the blame should go onto the party that refuses to govern, rigs elections against anyone who isn't their chosen meat puppet, and whose leader is supporting literal genocide. You can throw some of that shame down on the little people, but you're really wasting your time if that's where you're punching.
Wanting to change the system? Just vote blue isn't how you do it (I don't know how to do it, but voting blue obviously hasn't worked). The incentives are so weak for the dems to change, that I really don't even know how you can justify that second paragraph as reasonable. Voting doesn't make change, paying lobbyists does.
My cope is that maybe some of these elites stop losing their jobs when they fail election after election and we get someone new in there. But then these are Democrats, they don't learn ANYTHING ever, so that's all it is. Cope.
I mean, our democracy has never been in great shape during my lifetime. Presidential elections have been about damage control for my whole life, and I'm probably just a little older than the average Lemmy user.
Shit sucks and it will get worse. But how quickly is still to be decided.
I feel like posts like these always fail to realize how fucked of a situation US ‘democracy’ is in where you must vote for one shitty candidate because the other is literally a fascist.
Well they're both in favor of straight up genocide. It's evolved from one literal facist to two.
I try to think that hopefully Trump would get stonewalled enough that he wouldn’t be able to get any of this done.
Then I realize that he seriously does not care. He doesn’t give a shit about Congress, or checks and balances. He and his party have clearly demonstrated that they have no interest in the system of “law and order” that they cling so close to.
Who’s gonna stop him? His courts? An impeachment? Antifa gonna go out and storm Pennsylvania Ave and live up to their damn name, which somehow became an insult?
The fact that this man is on a ballot in any state is shameful. The GOP of just a dozen fucking years ago would have tossed him out on his ass in a second. Somehow since then, Romney, McCain, and Liz Cheney have become the sole voices of reason within the party. One got blackballed, one got censured, and the other one died.
I try to think that hopefully Trump would get stonewalled enough that he wouldn’t be able to get any of this done.
Then I realize that he seriously does not care. He doesn’t give a shit about Congress, or checks and balances. He and his party have clearly demonstrated that they have no interest in the system of “law and order” that they cling so close to.
This cannot be understated enough. He will be a day one dictator. Then he'll be a day two dictator, and day three and four. He won't stop because he knows no one will stop him.
I think the most dissappointing is the current state of the Republican Party.
Seems like back in 2008, the Republican Party was a bit stubborn and stuck in the old days, but they were mostly harmless, like a grandpa who rattles his cane at “kids these days”. Endearing, but not crazy.
Then everything changed. They’ve gone full tilt crazy. They’ve actually managed to redeem 43 and make him look tame and competent (by comparison).
The nutter in me (what’s left of it, after /r/conspiracy got a cheeto mustache) is seriously starting to think that Reddits admiration of Ron Paul (that I very much got caught up in) was a practice run for some psyop astroturf shit that evolved into Trumps presidency.
I’d love to make a glib analogy like ‘my toast got burnt so I burned my house down and most of the neighbourhood’ but the literal fact that so many people are suffering makes that sort of thing rather tasteless.
I don’t think Biden is “Genocide Joe”. That’s ridiculous hyperbole which doesn’t help. We (the public) don’t know what kind of pressure is being levered in the background to end all the horrors of this situation.
People not voting Dem merely because of difficult historical relationships with Israel are dangerously deluded.
I will hold my nose and vote against a dictatorship but I do understand why people are so FUCKING ANGRY with the DNC for not even trying to find someone who is representative of the Democratic voters. They haven't done so for the last decades and it is getting to point where something serious needs to be done about it. As in, make it clear to those 'in power' that we will make their lives a living hell if they continue to ignore the people.
It's more than insulting. It's disgusting behavior by people who know they can do whatever the fuck they want and no one can say or do anything about it because TRUUUMP!! It's a fucking joke. It's a disgrace to democracy and I will never again vote for Democrats.
This country is in fucking shambles.
Yeah I know. I really do. Not excusing it all but progressive policy is hamstrung by all the insane compromise that has to be made. Most of it due to the machinations of both external meddling by countries like Russia, and a (metaphorical) handful of rich people polluting the public discourse with utter nonsense.
They have the media sewn up to spew garbage, and are destroying the education systems to weaken any intellectual resistance.
We have more power to select our democratic candidate than you might think. The primaries in 2020 were our opportunity to select our democratic candidate. Far less people vote in primaries than they do in the general election. Biden won the primaries, so he got the Democratic nomination. If more people voted for primaries we could have a more progressive president. It just turns out that a smaller subset of our population gets to pick the Democratic nominee
Well, for me I actually quite like Biden. His Israel stance and protectionist economic policies are largely the only real policy positions he has that I disagree with him on, and he has done an exceptional job of accomplishing his stated policy goals within an extremely difficult and toxic political environment.
Here's some food for thought: The last time the democrats had a solid hold on the federal govt with a filibuster proof majority in congress, we got the affordable care act. Ever since that term, the dems have been hamstrung by the GOP and rogue DINOs like Manchin and Sinema.
I don't think there's any "controlled opposition" conspiracy. If there's a group to blame here the most, it's the American media for pretending that the reason dems don't get anything done is anything other than obstructionism and "both sides are bad hurr durr" rhetoric.
You're completely missing the point that leftists are making if you compare voting for yet another liberal Capitalist as "burnt toast," it's closer to your house being on fire under Biden or your neighborhood under Trump. Neither is good, both are bad, Biden isn't just an inconvenience unless you're privledged enough that you're fine with the Neoliberal status quo.
Will I be voting for Biden? Absolutely. Should I be told to stop whining about how he is a generic, lukewarm Capitalist perpetuating genocide? No.
Look I get the anger. As someone who who would love to see a radically more progressive US government I’m bummed that it’s not.
Please remember who the real enemy is in the situation; the hidden money and influence behind the regressive forces in US politics, currently exhibiting as ‘MAGA’ and other symptoms.
I would go so far as to say that those influences could be labelled as terrorists. Financial-Political terrorists causing chaos in the system.
If they were exerting pressure then Netanyahu would have complained to Congress, like he did with Bush and Obama. Cutting off arms shipments is exerting pressure. Removing the UN block is exerting pressure.
Writing mean words in secret is nothing.
The pen will pen-etrate you if don't watch out.
It’s a really really tricky situation for any US President, or Congress.
No analogy really does the situation justice. It’s all a horrible mess and that creep Netanyahu doesn’t help in any way.
How come we don't talk about "Genocide Trump" more, this close to the election? I think the words "Genocide Trump" should be at least as important to hear online this close to the election. What about "Genocide Trump", what do you think, do you think "Genocide Trump" should be at least or at least not less popular than your alternative?
Hell yes. But it’s not an alliteration so doesn’t roll off the tongue so easily.
Besides, his base and the caravan of dispicables don’t care. They probably think ‘Genocide’ is some sort of mouthwash.
He went around Congress to give them weapons. That's pretty much all I have to know. Without threatening actual leverage, and that's basically the only leverage they have, his words mean nothing. Batman Begins has a good lesson about that. I just wish there was a non-genocide *choice. What a cool democracy for a cool country.
"All I have to know is what I learned from a batman movie".
Way to go, sport!
Man get off your own headspace... Seriously
Could focus on working on congressional campaign advocacy disallowing the President from near unlimited War Reserve Stockpile Allies – Israel (WRSA-I). Republicans are on pretending to be Anti-War doves yet all these protest are alienating them with their disgusting support for Hamass & antisemitic Houthis as well as being a nuisance to the public. Pretty sure there are a lot of people that would agree with this if they weren't being interrupted in traffic picking up their family or trying to get to work on time.
The post has a point. Trump cut funding to UNRWA opposes Two-State unlike Biden and Trump has mentioned deporting any immigrant that doesn't support Israel. Not to mention Democrats provided a slew of "young" candidates in 2020 yet most of the "left" went for an older candidate Bernie Sanders that now agrees with President Biden & that recognizes Ceasefires not offered by Hamas are a joke. So nobody to blame but themselves for the consolidation of one of the most Progressives Presidents in the modern era.
Don't get mad when your fellow advocates refuse or reject to participate in Democracy. Israel & Palestine is a complex issue that many of you were asleep at the wheel on. I tried to bring up the matter up for a vote for amending our party platform at our State Democrat convention this summer because polling showed Democrats supported Palestinians more than Israel but it was the "Leftist" members that voted down claiming it wasn't time to discuss it.
You were are missing in action with Ukraine as Russia tries to genocide them again. Hard to take you all serious especially when its fickle. President Biden is fighting to aid to Gaza as well as reduce the severity of fighting & working to release hostages that is great while wanting to support helping Ukraine. We are also trying to keep Africa safe & access to shipping food to them while antisemitic Houthis attack ships indiscriminately.
If we don't at least pretend to be willing to wield our voting power to influence our govt, we might as well give up and accept we live in an oligarchy.
Sometimes just the threat of violence is enough to get people to act. Biden has already changed his administrations public stance and rhetoric towards Israel at merely the risk of losing votes. Ideally it would have been because of the loss of human lives, but beggars can't be choosers.
Are you telling me your democracy is held together with tape and needles ?
Well yes, conservatives won't let us repair it because they claim that's socialism and socialism is bad. That's the shit we're dealing with over here.
Worse. Its held together by the shared sense of public interest and neighborly bonds of friendship.
it's not the responsibility of voters to vote for certain politicians, it's the responsibility of the politicians to represent people so they vote for them.
if you think joe biden is gonna lose then you gotta force joe biden to take more popular positions (he is literally running right now it's the time you make up your platform), not yell at people "refusing" to vote for him as if they are just petulant children refusing to eat their veggies and act like the most logical and rational option is locking your vote for joe biden and whoever disagrees just cannot understand the correctness of your reasoning.
(to be clear i'm not american but it's just ridiculous how many times i have heard this exact song and dance)
This feel like a shocked Pikachu meme where Biden is surprised the left despised him when the Democratic party does nothing at all progressive.
Does no research into what Biden has already done
wHy iSn'T bIdEn dOiNg aNyThInG fOr tHe lEfT??? 🤡
Does
noentirely too much researchHe let all the benefits of the Trump-Era COVID spending lapse. No more free testing. No more daily case tracking. Huge decline in public investment in vaccine development/distribution and mitigation of side-effects of innoculation. No further efforts to regulate against continued spread.
No more monthly child tax credits. Student debt collections have restarted. No national leadership on extending Medicaid to states. No Public Option. Less than 1% of outstanding federal student loans have been forgiven.
Meanwhile, tens of billions were released by the FDIC and Fed Reserve to stabilize Silicon Valley Bank, despite the bank being in blatant violation of a host of financial regulations.
No productive action on climate change. Increased drilling permits. Increased construction of new pipelines. Increased O&G traffic on the Mississippi, resulting in more spills and more contamination of waterways. A virtual standstill on advancements in domestic clean energy, in an era when highly efficient Molten Salt Reactors are being constructed in France, China, and India and wind/solar energy have dipped below liquid gas prices.
He's once again juiced the Pentagon/police budgets. Escalating conflicts in Syria. New war in Yemen. Hundreds of billions spent on Ukraine. Tens of billions more to ramp up military across the South Pacific. Still hasn't closed Gitmo. $7B stolen from the Afghan treasury, kicking off the worst hunger crisis in the world prior to the Gaza invasion.
No DC statehood. No restoration of the Voting Rights Act. No national law to protect a woman's right to health care during a miscarriage. No DOJ action on any of the above.
It took four fucking years to get Trump to trial on any of his 91 indictments. In the same time, Sam Bankman-Fried was arrested, tried, convicted, and has been in jail for a month.
wHy iSn’T bIdEn dOiNg aNyThInG fOr tHe lEfT???
Why indeed? Almost as though that's not his real constituency.
What a bullshit comment, Biden has done so much during his time in office, you're just spewing NY Post level commentary!
How's it going with workers rights, universal healthcare, 6 months paid parental leave per parent, 5 weeks paid vacation and unlimited sick days? This is standard in most of Europe and exactly the kind of progress Democrats oppose or don't actively chose to fight for. The things that actually matter and the left wants.
That's a current picture, not a future picture.
Our first amendment rights are only exercisable with the permission of the government, preferably in silence tucked away where no one can see us.
Our third amendment rights are non-existent because SCOTUS draws a line between the police and soldiers. (Never mind the British soldiers were here to police the colonies)
Our Fourth amendment rights exist only notionally. If officers get a dog to jump at your car or have a "good faith belief" that they're within their rights to search.
Fifth is almost just gone. Civil Asset Forfeiture means only the rich can afford to keep the state from taking their stuff at any time. States routinely re-run criminal trials by deliberately getting a mistrial declared if they're losing.
The sixth is a joke. Public defenders in some places have as little as 7 minutes to look at your case. And if you're accused of a misdemeanor you probably won't have a jury at all. But you will lose your job, your house, and everything else in a chain reaction as you have to figure out how to pay hefty fines with no job. Also you'll probably end up in prison for contempt of court when you have trouble paying.
The eighth amendment is likewise a joke. Instead of protecting poor people in the system, it's used as a cudgel to force confessions.
And this is all on top of decades of wealth transfer out of the working class to the point that it's getting hard to buy food for half the country.
Oh yeah, Trump would be horrible. But he's the guy we've been getting set up for, not the guy the establishment is trying to avoid. I'll probably vote for Biden but I'm not going to be surprised when the "status quo genocide" guy gets his ass handed to him. Democrats needed to fight for this and they just aren't.
Edit to add - Y'all know the second the GOP puts up a reasonable sounding asshole we're fucked right? Like if Nikki Haley got the nomination? All that pressure drops away and she'd still institute project 2025 just like Trump.
Dems just aren't; it all seems so lacking any urgency.
Excellent writeup
It's a so-so writeup, and you are likely not getting it.
You forgot your 2nd amendment, which gives y'all the right to arm yourselves in case the government is working against the people. Which with the way things have changed since it was written, basically allows you to bring knives to a gun fight. Your government has tanks and fighter jets and aircraft carriers, but sure - pencildick Jim Bob's collection of 30 glocks will be really useful against even one drone.
Yeah, your Republicans have been systematically shitting on your country with almost no reaction from your Democrats and some people sit there, covered in shit up to their eyes, breathing through a straw, and still somehow find it in them to say "vote Republican, this shit doesn't even smell" or "vote Democrat otherwise they'll take the biggest dump so far". I mean, come on. Find another option already.
Oh I didn't forget about it. It's just broken the other way right now.
And I agree that we need another option. Unfortunately the choices seem to be a party that wants corporations to just take the mask off and actually run the country and an eco party that's been largely co-opted by the Russians.
Progressives are still working inside the DNC but they keep getting stepped on by the donor class because the liberals routinely fall for tech billionaires who profess progressive ideals but only if we hand them a ton of money. So the liberals hand the money to the billionaires instead of actual progressives. Which just ends up furthering private governance.
You know how you get all of those rights back?
The second.
Except that what passes for the left in the US is terrified of actually exercising that right in order to get the other ones back.
(PS - 1A rights in re: religion are fully exercisable, as long as you are white and evangelical.)
Palestine will be even more fucked under Trump, he's firmly on Israel's side and would probably increase aid or give them carte blanche to just exterminate Palestine completely. While Biden hasn't been much better, there's at least signs that his administration is trying to reign in the Israelis, though for whatever reason they haven't been terribly serious about it. I'm assuming it's because Israel is a client state that for the most part cooperates with the US and buys our weapons, they can help further whatever policy goals we might have in the region. IMO they seem like they're more trouble than they're worth, whatever we might gain from Israel is ruined by Israel's own conduct, they're dragging us down with them as they act belligerently to everyone around them. Maybe being surrounded by hostile nations on all sides does that, but from the outside looking in it doesn't look like they've seriously sought peace.
If anything, we should be withholding aid from them to get them to show a bit more humility and willingness to work towards peace, but I'm guessing they'd just turn to Russia or China instead and continue being belligerent. If that happened though, then Palestinians are just as fucked as before, if not more so. It's crazy how fickle we can be with any other nation that needs our help and have left plenty of other allies to die, but for whatever reason, we just can't quit Israel. Given all of the alternatives, Palestinians face a slow death unless some sort of two-state solution can be found (or if they could be integrated better into Israel instead of being dead-set on their own independent state), but from what I can see, the least-worst option is for the US to try to be a moderating influence on Israel like what Biden has been halfheartedly doing. It's not great, but the alternatives are worse.
Yes, am agreeing that must not vote for Biden Genocide Joe. American President must be strong defender of freedoms like Trump, or like great president Putin.
Also, I am liberal sexually fluid college student who eats of many avocado toasts and demands money. Not voting Biden is shared by my many many friends of all races and economic class.
This is quality satire.
A little too hackneyed for my taste but it might be lost on Lemmy. Too often I see what I think to be legit satire on here and the people are dead ass.
It's the most radical of the left still falling for rich propaganda while pretending like they're enlightened and above class warfare. While still not being able to see the reality of the everyday world for most of their neighbors and vilifying every single one of them nearly carte blanche.
I can never tell if it's internet tough guy situations when they're as smooth as a ken doll IRL or if they just succumb to the same propagandists rhetoric as the right while thinking they're actually helping.
Hello, fellow sexually fluid student of avocado toast college. I choose vote for Trump because his name is Donald, and I favorite Donald Duck and Ronald McDonald.
I just want someone who will live in this country for another 30 or 40 years after they leave office...
"Rich people livin" in America and "poor people livin" in America are way different, no matter how much longer they have left.
Id rather someone who is close enough to the "poor people livin" generally. They tend to make better decisions for more people.
I'm convinced if it wasn't the conflict in Palestine it would be some other issue that would prevent them from being able to "morally" support Biden.
Yes the conflict in Palestine is terrible, yes there are atrocities occuring, no I don't have any of the solutions.
There seem to be a subset of people that only want to see the negative in every aspect of life and this carries over to politicians/politics in general. The grass is forever more green elsewhere.
I recently asked a friend trapped in this bubble if they had seen the new Mario movie, as I attempt to avoid politics with them at this point in time, and I received the answer, "No, fuck Chris Pratt." I didn't bother asking why, but it seems that nearly ever aspect of life, except the ones they choose to conveniently ignore is reason for social outrage and some how it is "Biden's Fault," with complete disregard to what the alternative looks like.
But 3rd parties!!! Oh yes, because statistically splitting your vote between the only two groups with a chance of being elected to office is the "moral solution."
I don't ever want to hear about "harm reduction" from them again, when their "moral" decision results in women's healthcare being a literal afterthought and rights for a variety of marginalized communities being stripped away. 1,500 people a week are still dying from COVID in the U.S., but hey, let's help elect the party that wants to continue erroding any remaining social safety nets, because you know, people who get sick don't matter as much as this months zeitgeist of social outrage.
I was having the same conversation with people in 2016. In fact, for every election since 2000. Yes democrats often suck. But at least they believe in consensus based governance and the rule of law. The modern GOP (since the civil rights era) has been firmly authoritarian and anti-democratic. Unfortunately your choices are between “lackluster” and “truly horrifying.” Changing that will take a generation but if you don’t participate now and vote against the GOP, things will be far worse far more quickly than if Democrats just disappoint you.
Like Nina Turner said... Choices are "a bowl of shit or half a bowl of shit". Oof.
Re: Chris Pratt He's a member of an anti-LGBT church and has tried to deny that his church is anti-LGBT. (Chad Veach is the pastor)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Veach#Controversy
Edit: oops, misphrased this
I literally can't keep up with every individuals flaws, or perceived flaws from a public eye.
No, fuck Chris Pratt.
Based. Fuck that dipshit.
Reminds me of all the critics who took every opportunity to slag Obama for drone strikes while ignoring Trump ramping them way up with no transparency (while Biden virtually eliminated them).
They were trying to hammer railroad strike & the train derailment before. Funny most of them are rose twitter & DSA types that are facing a budget shortfall & are demanding that the Union workers they have on staff voluntarily resign so they don't have to pay benefits or negotiate with them.
I'm a Palestinian American and honestly I feel fucking violated by how these people have been using the tragedy in Gaza to serve their ends.
They love us as corpses, because corpses don't have any expectations of them for them to get away with pretending they're allies.
Mf-ers out here acting allergic to periods.
Those aren't the folks that worry me. The folks that worry me are the ones that are voting Trump (as they put it) because "Biden is going to ban flavored cigarettes so no more Menthol".
Welcome to Germany. Many young people voted for a liberal party that only has the interest of the rich elite in mind. Because they said they would legalize Marijuana.
Spoiler: They do everything they can for rich people, Marijuana is still not legal.
Those folks are just conservatives pretending that they would have ever voted for Biden in the first place.
If menthol cigarettes are banned, it will signal the end of america as we know it. George Washington will be screaming in terror from his grave. "NOOO. LOOK AT WHAT THEYVE DONE TO MY CREATION!!! THE MENTHOLS NOOOOOOO" The only proper course of action would be to clone the founding fathers, demolish all of the United States, and let them start over.
Banning menthols would probably have helped me quit earlier. I thought non-menthols were too harsh when I smoked.
There is Taiwan also
Tankies in tears over this, they can't handle the fact that they have to vote for Biden lmao
It does not sound fun to be forced to vote for a right wing union busting genocide supporter no, that the choice is between that and another even more dangerous right wing idiot shows the system doesn't work.
All leftists are in tears, Biden is a center-right Capitalist. Leftists should vote for Biden, but they can understandably be upset that they have to vote for a Neoliberal just to prevent a fascist, while liberals and fascists get to gleefully trot to the ballot box and vote for someone that actually represents their views.
You want leftists to side with you happily? Maybe try appealing to leftists, instead of running on the basis of not being a fascist.
Leftists should vote for Biden
We're headed for another 2000 election. A handful of campaign flaks are going to Brooks Brothers Riot a few counties in a red state with the blessing of a governor hostile to the very idea of democratic governance. Biden is going to meekly surrender after the election is straight up stolen on national television by far-right courts. And then the national media is going to find the real villain - not the thugs terrorizing polling places nationwide, not the nerds hemming and hawing about Rule of Law while the books are rewritten under their noses, not the national media fabricating bullshit smears 24/7 to keep the race up as a spectacle - but a dorky little 3rd party environmentalist nerd who dared to suggest that better things are possible.
Biden will shit the bed and Trump will run out the back door with the mattress, while every screaming Twitter avi will point the finger at this cycle's Ralph Nader.
I mean yeah. That's exactly it. One party is running on not changing anything in particular but keeping everyone exactly where they are, and the other is running on the idea of hurting people and will actually do it with power.
People don't like to feel trapped in a bad situation even if others feel great about being trapped in a good one. The feeling of being unable to do anything or even trying to do anything will so much more disenfranchise the vote base than an Internet comment will but it's definitely compounding.
But when you have a party run on a promise and meet their goals then it looks appealing and people will think they can sand off the rough edges cause at least there is movement, ignoring that the rough edges are what grabs more angry people.
I actually don't see this election going well without Biden slamming into the fight like a WWE star trying to be a fan favorite and actually getting a win. Or standing up at least and taking the hits to the face to prove they care. Apathy and comfort, the plagues of the Democrats right now.
Tankies don't know their own history. Stalin helped to found Israel, expecting it to be socialist. USSR was the first to recognise it de jure and Czechoslovakia supplied it with weapons.
Later, when Israel sided with the west, USSR started a policy of anti-zionism, restricted rights of Jewish people and supplied weapons to Israel's enemies.
Tankies are probably more like this:
Not when their learning takes me down the hole with them.
First of all, your system is broken. Second, what is a Palestinian American supposed to do? Biden is literally providing the ammunition to kill their families. Trump isn’t any better, but that doesn’t mean voting for another genocidal maniac is a viable option.
You asking Palestinian/Muslim Americans to simply look past that is a very self centered perspective. You say then people will be deported and thrown into camps. That’s what Palestinians were fleeing from in the first place. They fled before, they’ll do it again if they have to. They’re living in diaspora anyway. So do the millions of other Muslim Americans who are here because of Western geopolitics.
You on the other hand who try to bully them into voting for Biden because it serves your purpose, have nowhere to go. If you want progress for your country and you consider Biden only the lesser evil. Instead of bullying fellow Americans into serving your purpose, why don’t you focus on your common goal instead? Respect their opinion, support their cause.
Join their protests against Biden, pressurize him into stopping the genocide, pressurize the DNC into sending someone else as their presidential candidate.
The only realistic options have the same result on foreign policy with Israel, so you're not voting to influence that. The president is not just one policy, it's their entire platform of policies that determines how the country runs for the next 4 years. It's always better to choose the lesser of two evils than to allow the greater evil to have a greater chance to win.
Yeah that’s true. But the deal was always that Palestinian/Muslim voters accept that they are the victims of geopolitics and in return there’s at least some kind of support.
But with Biden giving Israel the opportunity to commit an outright genocide in front of the world, he has crossed a line. We have reached a point where a „both sides bad“ and „it’s complicated“ policy just doesn’t work anymore.
If we elect Biden in this election there will be future elections where the the voices of Palestinian and Muslim Americans can be heard. If Trump wins America will become a fascist dictatorship. This dictatorship will green light Israel to completely ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip.
I support the Palestinian people. However, abandoning democracy will not help anyone. Instead, millions of people will die. Withholding our votes only demonstrates our demographics are not reliable constituents. It does not bring the Democratic Party further to the left, as they instead focus on moderate voters. We must protest and be politically active between elections if we want better candidates to vote for on election day.
Who did the Palestinian Americans vote for in previous elections? There has never been a pro-Palestine POTUS. Ever.
Palestinian Americans should be pushing for the removal of Hamas. That's clearly their best path to peace and prosperity, yet.... the outwardly genocidal leadership of the Gaza strip seems to be quite politically safe and supported internationally.
"We did Patrick! We saved nothing."
As someone who is struggling to find a reason to vote for biden for who he is, rather than vote for him for what he is not, its so disheartening to see the only valid reason to vote for him is just that he isn’t trump.
And I hate that discussion about this is always so black and white about this, and just sneering at people who have no policy reason to vote for biden, throwing shade at people who genuinely hate biden’s neoliberal platform for criticizing because trump is the opponent.
Voting for someone because they aren’t trump didn’t work in 2016, and Im worried it isn’t going to work in 2024. And I’m starting to see why people are feeling so hopeless when it comes to electoralism
And what did Marx think about voting for the lesser evil:
Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.
Marx and Engels had proportional representation to work with instead of first past the post. This is exactly why the US needs proportional representation, at least for congress, to break the de-facto two party system.
That doesn’t prevent the workers from forming their own party and promoting their own candidates. Circumstances in every country will always be different.
Most people are trying to bring in social programs, not communism. The Democrats can do social programs, and they can do them better when we move the Overton window left by continually voting in Democrats
How did that strategy work out for them?
Primaries are the right time to criticize incumbents. General is when we all fall in line. Not criticizing politicians when they do something wrong is what the republicans do - we shouldn't seek to emulate them.
Just a reminder that the DNC due to disagreeing on whether New Hampshire should be first primary or not has literally determined that regardless of the outcome that all delegates from New Hampshire would go to Biden this year.
He won a write-in campaign, but that's really not the point.
The fact that those are your choices should be enough to alert you to the reality - that voting is a charade to make you feel "heard" and to keep you from turning on your overlords, who will continue to wage war for profit (be it on Palestine or on their own poor and marginalised) no matter what.
Sadly the propaganda is so strong that most people can't see beyond the pretend field laid out in front of them and the "blue vs red" mentality that is enforced along with it, so focused on this artificial division that they don't see that the real "teams" are society and those who exploit it for profit and power (and who control the media and the education system, ensuring you're indoctrinated this way from birth).
By all means, vote for the lesser (but still) evil (I'm in the UK, we are able to vote "none" which I will be doing if there is no one on the ballot who represents me), but you don't get to pat yourself on the back for it as if you've just stormed the beach on D day and singlehandedly defeated fascism, because that's nowhere near the truth, which is that you've just participated in a bit of theatre where you were given an illusion of choice. You being uncomfortable doesn't change that.
It could change you, if you decide to engage the discomfort instead of ignoring it, you can start here:https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
People who think voting doesn't matter are the ones that make it a reality. Everyone who shows up to not vote, or throw a protest vote, make it that much easier for the fanatics who do show up to get their way.
It's not a perfect system, but refusing to participate doesn't make it better. And "patting yourself on the back" because you decided you'd rather support your pride and ego instead of change (imperfect as it always is) is no less a sign of delusion than believing one election for one position is all that matters.
Every election matters. From local dog-catcher to state reps to president.
but refusing to participate
Who said anything about not participating. All anarchists I know are at most lukewarm on voting but put more effort into political change by organizing that all the votes in all the elections of a lifetime combined.
The election system doesn't really change anything and makes people complicit by giving them the illusion of a democratic process that's actually worth a damn.
When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.
that voting is a charade to make you feel "heard" and to keep you from turning on your overlords
Well, yes. The entire point of democracy was to stop the cycle of regular revolution and bloodshed by spreading out power.
I don't think anybody is legitimately saying that voting blue is the end of the matter. Activism is way more than that--it's attending local board meetings and making yourself heard, getting involved with your local/state parties to push for change, communicating with your elected representative (even, and especially if, they disagree with your position), attending donstrations and protests, volunteering for your preferred candidate's campaign, voting, and most importantly--never giving up, even if it takes decades. If your preferred candidate loses in the primary, you immediately switch to the next closest candidate and start campaigning for them and pushing them towards your preferred policies. If a referendum you support loses, immediately start pushing for a similar referendum in the next election that tweaks the wording to avoid the reason why it lost last time. And so on, and so forth, across all the various levels of government.
This exact playbook is what got Roe overturned. Religious mutters pushed, and pushed, and pushed. They voted in lockstep for the farthest-right candidate in the primary, and if they lost in the primary they voted for the farthest right candidate in the general. They protested outside abortion clinics daily. They pushed and pushed, and over the course of 50 years they gradually transformed an entire political party from having roughly equal representation of pro-choice and anti-choice candidates to one where supporting a nationwide 15-week abortion ban with no exceptions is considered "moderate."
I would be happy if folks just stopped mindlessly repeating cnn msnbc npr neoliberal talking points as though it’s some kind of gotcha! Lol. Is that too much to fucking ask!
I am not american so I don't vote, but if I were, as a leftist, I would likely very begrudgingly vote Biden, however I find that this entitlement to leftists votes that liberals have is only gonna make leftists less willing to vote for Biden tbh. In fact I'd much rather vote a third party already your shitflinging isn't gonna make me any more willing tonsupport your shitlib.
If you got to the point where every election is "vote us or the fascist republicans win" maybe it's time to analyze and rethink your tactics and system instead of demanding leftists simply vote for you because a shitlib is somewhat less bad than a fashit. Maybe even do some leftist things, gasps, so they may actually want to vote for you. And you also might want to revisit this system that is so weak and vulnerable to democratic backsliding that every election is a threat to it.
Or you could wait for the leftists to bring out the guillotines and solve the issue for you, tho you're probably going to be on the chopping block after so many years of moving to the right and blaming leftists every time you lose, and maybe also cause your party is still ok with letting businesses do their thing including union busting or the genocide mentioned in the meme.
Huh, this is the most convincing vote blue no matter who argument I've seen. I'm in Canada so it's not up to me, but damn, this SpongeBob meme is poignant.
Question for the libs who are flailing, trying and failing to understand how their country is backsliding into genocidal fascism (and taking shots to the left):
The deluge of Biden admins who have resigned because of the war - are they now supporting Trump since they are withholding their support for the Biden campaign?
Here's the deal. If you're living in California - a state that will overwhelmingly go for Biden - and you don't vote for Biden, then you are directly responsible for all the sins committed by the subsequent President Trump.
However, you are in no way responsible for the sins committed by Kamala Harris or Dianne Feinstein or Gruesome Gavin Newsome, when they send in a SWAT team against another Black Lives Matter protest breaks out in the face of a sheriff's deputy shooting a pregnant woman to death because he was unloading 20 rounds at a stray dog.
Democrats are only responsible for what Republicans do after a failed election bid. They're never responsible for what an uncontested string of Democrats in office do in New York or Washington State or Delaware or Minnesota. One blow I see Republicans land on Dems all the time is the "They keep promising you X and they never deliver in their own states", and - practically since Clinton - they've had Dems dead to rights.
Vermont couldn't even do comprehensive health care reform. They chickened out because it would mean dedicating too much of the budget to a public service people in the state need. Dems are running away from public education and social security for the same reasons.
The only thing we ever have unlimited deficit spending cash for is War, War, War. And then Dems panic at the prospect of Republicans taking the reins.
Pipe down kiddo, grown ups are talking
By all means, infantilize your allies. That should work out well.
If those votes are important to him then Biden should earn them by not being complicit in a genocide. Maybe Biden is a Trump supporter by continuing to do so? After all if not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump, Biden doing genocide is also him voting for Trump.
All I'm hearing from your comment is we should all become single issue voters regardless of outcome. This is a bad take.
you're right, we can't be single issue voters. We can't just focus on the palestine genocide. we should also focus on labor rights for all workers (nods to the railway workers); ending the for profit education system currently in place, not just temporarily pausing payments on student loan debt, or cancelling debt for a few people; Abolishing for profit prison systems; Abolishing legal slavery of incarcerated individuals; ensuring affordable medical care by enacting a single payer system similar to Canada; enforce a livable minimum wage; tax the rich at a fair rate; codify reproductive rights of women
Those are my issues and joe has failed on them. I'm not saying that Trump would be better, but don't call me a single issue voter when all the issues are what joe has failed me on.
We did it reddit!
You can look at it that way or you can look at it where Biden won't listen to the people who would elect him and decides to support genocide knowing it will probably mean he won't get re-elected. Why would you blame the voters when it's clearly one person who is making the wrong decision. Edit: it's crazy people are defending Biden while he's supporting genocide and blaming the people who refuse to support it and don't attack the president that doesn't listen to 70% of his own party. If he doesn't listen here why would he listen to us anywhere else.
Don't worry, the Trump genocide will be more direct.
Hope that you don't have any gay or trans relatives or friends!
"supports genocide" lol
He gave 100 million to Palestine for disaster relief, and his admin is currently in talks with netanyahu to try to get a ceasefire going.
Meanwhile the people actually responsible for mass civilian deaths just rejected a ceasefire proposal from Israel, which is Hamas.
Biden gave 14 billion to Israel and only promised 100million but still none has been given. I'm confused about your second point Israel rejected a ceasefire by Israel? Israel has killed over 20k civilians most are children and destroyed almost every hospital in the region, schools, apartment complexes etc cut off food, water and aid from outside. If that's not genocide idk what is.
As much as I despise Trump, I disagree with this dangerous rhetoric. Biden seems the only person capable of inflecting the dire fate of gazans and he does not. Worse, he funnels money and military equipment to support this. Trump may wreak havoc in the US if reelected, but if Biden is fine with genocide elsewhere, he should be fine to let America fall
those things are bound to happen anyway regardless of the clown you guys elected.
ukraine is already abandoned, too, under the flag of a democrat you voted in.
voting doesnt work because we vote then go right back to doing absolutely nothing
Okay, you're willfully obtuse or have no reading comprehension. McConnell's position was discussed in the article as well. I thought Graham 's position statement was a better articulation of the point.
If you really need an article explaining this more clearly, you're lost.
they don't give a shit if it makes any sense, they're all running from reality
Americans have some serious Stockholm syndrome if they believe voting for any of these candidates makes a meaningful difference when they are both war mongering fascists. The status quo can not be changed by voting but by anti-government protests forcing the current system to collapse.
Besides Roe ended under Biden, not Trump. There have also been more deportations under Biden than under Trump so this vote Biden or else blackmail isn't even based on facts. It's like choosing between Himmler and Hitler.
Roe was ended by Trump-appointed judges whom Biden had no influence over.
Blaming the president for the actions of the Supreme Court is asinine.
You're proving my point that the issue lies with the system, not with the president.
Both sides bad mhhhhhkay?
Get the fuck outta here, One side wants to uphold democracy and the other wants to bea adictatorship cult. And most bad things happening under biden are the result of 4 years of trump.Both sides are bad, yes. The fascists are far worse, of course, but it's naive to think the DNC are some brave Democracy Defenders, when their sole interest is to uphold the rights and protections of Capital. Most of the bad things happening under Biden are actually because of Capitalism reaching an ever-later stage, Trump certainly made it worse but Biden isn't making it better.
Should leftists vote for Biden to prevent Trump? 100%, abstaining from voting or voting third party is a spoiler vote in America and would result in fascists winning. Should liberals pretend that Leftists are the problem because leftists are understandably upset that they don't have anyone to actually vote for, while liberals and fascists get to gleefully vote for their preferred candidates? Absolutely not.
Biden personally assassinated Franz Ferdinand and started WW1.
I'm getting so many messages from people about how immature and impractical it is to be wary of voting for Biden just because he isn't trump, it's absurd.
Biden is probably as bad as trump in very different ways, but dipshit liberals would have you believe that it is your patriotic duty to vote with them, otherwise you give a vote to trump when you refuse to vote.
With that being said, please vote in your local elections and for pretty much everything else. As liberals seem to forget, the president is mostly just a figurehead, but your senators, representatives, congressmen, etc mean much more and affect your life more significantly.
Whenever we see this same old point being made and think "yes, how stupid are people," remember that being shamed in to voting doesn't work and this even helped get Trump elected in 2016. The only thing that happens with this is a sense of self-validation.
If the Democrats really didn't want Trump, someone would deal with him how they deal with other existential threats. He's great for fundraising though, and most big donors support both parties.
Everyone told you last time that voting in biden would make Trump inevitable next time around and now that's playing out for you. Meanwhile your response is to bully women, muslims, and black people into voting for a guy who is openly against their fundamental human dignities? get over yourselves.
He did nothing to stop Roe v Wade overturning. He did nothing to stop Palestine being massacred. He did nothing to stop the insane levels of transphobia in red states. He did nothing to address basic economic hardships. He did nothing to stop kids being killed at the southern border. Anyone who wants to be complicit in that (like the dozen or so people who consistently spam lemmy with this virtue signalling BS) can go right ahead and watch as their golden boy gets throttled by a fascist populist just as people fucking warned you about.
He did nothing to stop Roe v Wade overturning.
Sorry, what was he supposed to do... assassinate Clarence Thomas?
Yes
Is there lead paint in the food over there? motherfucker refused to pack the court, just like his predecessors, then shits and whines that he's powerless to stop the court from passing republican policies.
You lot think he's against these policies when he's happy to let them pass as long as it keeps you all voting for him.
All he's got to do is say he wants affordable housing. Otherwise yeah I'll let it burn.
I never get tired of these kinds of low effort posts.
100% percent accurate. The same dumb shit happened when the Bernie Bros threw their tantrums in 2016.
More Bernie supporters voted Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted Obama in 2008... but some people aren't ready for that conversation.
Yeah because Obama won
Being a dick and throwing a tantrum is more quickly forgiven when the consequences of the tantrum are the historic civil rights landmark president winning his resounding victory by slightly less than he might have otherwise.
When that Tantrum allows trump into office, it's a bit more difficult to just let that shit slide because "well more Clinton supporters did it to Obama than us!" as if that suddenly hands McCain the 2008 win or brings Roe back.
Trump is actually not much worse than Biden on foreign policy. Bypassing congress to supply ammo for a genocide is something I would have literally only seen Trump do until three months ago. Then I found out the israeli lobbies supplied Biden with three times as much funds as Trump.
While Trump is pretty shit on American domestic policy, he doens't seem to be much worse for the Palestinians.
Vote third party.
Not much worse =/= Not worse. Vote for the lesser of the evils and get less evil.
Yeah but it doesn't get any less evil. It gets more evil too but slower. Voting democrat harder even has been done for quite a while. It's just a scale that slides more and more to the right.
Unless someone's decides to break that circle, someone that is somehow worse than Trump is going to win the right wing soon. And the Democrats are going to vote for a Trump like figure because he's gonna be the lesser evil.
I would love to vote third party if we had ranked choice voting. Without it, voting third party may just make it easier for Trump to win.
Sorry but trump is way funnier than Biden. I don't make the rules.
Either I’m an idiot or this doesn’t make any sense at all.
I can’t be certain of either, so…
Well, it makes sense to idiots, so looks like you're in the clear this time.
It's kind of word salady but I think it means "Democracts after Biden wins and they spend the next 4 years fighting the actual left wing of the party instead of fighting Republicans. And then Republicans win that election (2028), and carry on with their plan to end elections in the U.S. (and install some kind of Christian theocracy)."
But thats prettty short sighted. It assumes that going and voting in one presidential election is going to to get you the politicians and policies that you'd like which is obviously false.
The White Left thinks getting called out for their dumb privileged shit is "fighting the left harder than Republicans"
Fuck American liberals you people are disgusting. Support your genocidal president who does fuck all for you anyway because you're stupid enough to fall for the good cop bad cop routine of the US government. If you vote for Joe Biden you are voting for genocide. The fact that the other option is just as genocidal does not absolve you of culpability for your complicity.
The final verdict is that you are human garbage.
Edit: Biden just halted all funding for UNRWA to prevent it from providing aid to Palestinians as much as possible. This is exactly the kind of unhinged policy decision that liberals would make a fuss about trump taking. Trump or Biden it makes no difference and you must be extremely propagandized to think it does.
That's reactionary. Since there are only 2 options, the lesser of two evils provides more room for the Proletariat to make grassroots change and build up pressure. Virtue signaling won't get anyone anywhere.
What has this strategy that you've been following achieved exactly? Have you curbed the united states' imperialism? Did you get abortion rights? Did it stop the literal genocide that is going on right now? You have nothing to show for it. Strategies are implemented in order to succeed. When one turns out to be ineffective, you abandon it. The only useful thing you people in the imperial core can do is organize outside and against your government. Everything else is less than useless.
Let me reiterate. Your country and president are committing a genocide. If you do not wash your hands of this government then you are complicit.
Is this anyone's position? Calling him Genocide Joe, protesting at his campaign events, is about holding his feet to the fire. I don't think I've ever heard anyone saying they won't vote for Joe Biden because of it. Cause a vote for Joe isn't a vote for Joe, it's a vote against fascism.
Just because there's opposition, doesn't mean that not supporting someone means supporting the opposition.
I'm going to vote for RFK. I think he has a couple of good points about looking at source code, rather than banning apps made in China. The whole TikTok ban was just stupid. Google, Microsoft, and other corporate companies already do so much shady stuff; why the hell are we banning businesses from other countries when all we need is the source code? Also, he is against government surveillance, which I think is a really good thing that can really restore our democracy. I've felt as if we've lost so much of our freedoms just from all this mass surveillance. People cannot look for information freely, which is a very important part of our democracy.
Lol you can't vaccinate stupid.
You can't seriously be voting based on your feelings about TikTok. This must be satire.
