I was originally hired as an Emergency Medical Technician by a hospital. After a few years the local Fire Department took over EMS. The only thing that changed is that the taxpayers had to pay to have our ambulances repainted and we all got new uniforms.
One day while driving my partner and I get flagged down; the man's truck had caught fire. We could see visible flames between the cab and the box. My partner grabbed the fire extinguisher on the console and I ran around to the back and got the fire extinguisher from the rear compartment. We doused the flames before the engine arrived. We made our report on the radio and went back to the station to restock.
We were later told that the fire extinguishers should only be used if our vehicle was on fire, and not for civilians.
So, we were supposed to sit in Fire uniforms, in a Fire vehicle, and not put out a fire.
Could it have been some sort of liability thing? Like the nurses at my old work weren't allowed to do any sort of first aid stuff to colleagues unless they were the official attendants. It's like a not your job, you'll get sued if anything goes wrong kind of thing.
As EMTs we were expected to go into dangerous situations all the time. Nobody mentioned liability. I think they were just annoyed to have to replace the equipment.
I didn't stop to greet some customers as I walked in with a cane for the third week in a row due to nerve damage.
I wasn't on the clock, we didn't have a uniform, no name tag, nobody would even know I work there until I put my shit on after I clock in.
By that time I had made it a habit of recording every interaction with management, so I just pulled out my phone, hit the record button, and asked "so to be clear, are you officially reprimanding me for NOT doing work off the clock?" and that immediately shut him up.
Managers get awfully pensive when they have recording devices capturing them.
Worked for a small business which did electronics repair, and which had recently picked up e-waste recycling. Our boss, the owner, was known for getting baked out of his mind and imagining things which he needed to tell his staff, and would think the next day that he had actually told that thing to his staff. Just to give you an idea of the kind of guy the owner is, we had two company-wide group texts for the 11 people on payroll. One had everyone, and the other had everyone except the owner. The owner never knew about that one, and honestly that arrangement was a necessity to keep turnover low and by extension the business from running aground.
Anyway, my coworker is talking to a customer at the counter, who is dropping off an old television to be recycled. The customers leave, and the owner walks in.
Owner: "Wait, is this a plasma? We can't take this!"
Coworker: "why not?"
Owner: "We can't do plasmas! We've never done plasmas!" sees the stack of plasma screen televisions "What the fuck?! Who accepted these?"
Me: "Dude, you've never mentioned that we can't do anything with plasmas before."
Owner: "Yeah! It was in the class on e-waste recycling."
Coworker: "You were the only one who took that because you didn't want to fly anyone else to Vegas for a four day conference."
At this point I think the owner started to realize he hadn't actually disseminated anything other than the logistical aspects of the e-waste business to the employees.
Owner: "So, what, no one knows what we actually accept for e-waste?"
Me: "I don't think so, man."
The owner looks at me with obvious anger and with that look that says he's about to blame me for something.
Owner: "So, what y'all want a fucking list or something?"
Coworker: "Yeah, that would be great, actually."
The owner turned red, looked about ready to angry-cry, and walked out. Went home and got baked. I don't think he ever actually put a list together. The e-waste thing fell through a few months later after I left because the warehouse he was renting and illegally living out of was like a quarter the size needed, and there wasn't any money left for processing equipment. He franchised a corporate brand like a year later.
Yeah, I guess it reads weird. I think I intended it as a early barometer to his character, but didn't expand or lampshade it properly. Oh well. It's a lemmy comment, not a graded CW essay.
This is a nice example of "I have to write an evaluation about this person but I don't know this person, I haven't spoken to this person, I've seen this person a few times while walking by. He frowns a lot"
I reported the multinational company CTO for not being able to keep his hands off me (I'm a guy btw) and a load of other employees. That report came on top of other reports of abuse, fraud, and briberies.
Mind you, this company wa so about protecting whistleblowers that I had to sign a contract about it. VPs were outraged and vowed to protect me.
I made the report, week later called into an emergency meeting with the CTO and head of HR is there too and I'm fired. I sued, won, and in that time learned that the CTO was fired the next day because, amongst things, he fired me. Even so, they didn't cancel my firing, didn't rehire me, because now I was toxic.
Never trust anyone in big companies. Never trust their contracts, never trust their words.
Yeah the fact that they didn’t reverse course shows that the toxicity ran from the top. CTO wasn’t the only bad egg. I’d bet that legal got their hands on it and figured that making it right would be admitting to doing wrong.
Yeah to them it doesn't matter if even they thought it was wrong you were fired. As soon as you went to lawyers you became their enemy. That's just how a lot of these scummy big corporations work.
We were changing office buildings and were packing our desks for the move. They have us boxes and bags for everything. The bags were oddly large, which I commented on by saying "these bags could fit a small child". Apparently some people took offense at that, as I was later sent up to HR to explain myself.
"Well... They were bags, they were large, and a small child could probably fit in them. What part of what I said is inappropriate?"
I find that often when you make people explain why they're offended by something, suddenly they can't figure it out. This will either make them realize it's not actually an issue, or more likely this will only make them angry due to the embarrassment they now feel for not being able to articulate it.
I like my workplace because I don't get in trouble for stuff like that. I was once talked to - asked if I had been snarky. I explained that I was and why they deserved it. I was basically told that I was right but it doesn't really help anything so try to avoid it in the future.
At an old job in slack I said something like "for fuck's sake, it returns a 200 OK even when there's an error" and one of the directors was like "Language, please."
So I started saying "fudge" instead of "fuck". "This deployment is fudged up. are we going to roll it back?"
They "let me go" a couple months later, but joke's on them I'm at a different job doing better work for double pay.
My wife and I have a young Belgian Malinois, and at about a year and a half of age she started flopping down onto the floor in a very loud and obnoxious manner whenever she was frustrated or in a fit of pique. Being very bony, she makes a loud thump.
It wasn’t long after she started this that my wife remarked,
“It sounds like a body hitting the trunk of a car.”
It was all I could do to turn to her and query just how many dead bodies she had to have transported in her car’s trunk to get that intimately familiar with the sound.
There was a super insecure manager a bunch of years ago. I didn't report to him, but occasionally worked alongside him.
I had been working with one of our customers for a few weeks on a feature they had requested. It was something out-of-the-box, so understandably, if you didn't know the context, it would be rather confusing.
Manager is set to run a meeting with them, and asks for my help as the technical expert. No problem. We get into the meeting, and the customer asks some technical questions. Before I can get a word in edgewise, Manager proceeds to pull the most inane shit out of his ass for a good 10 minutes--clearly knowing nothing that's going on, but not letting that stop him. After the customer is sufficiently confused, and Manager is starting to look a little panicked, he finally turns to me.
I figure I'll try to save him some face, so I start my reply with, "I'm not entirely sure, but are you asking...", repeating their question back. The customer is clearly relieved that I know what they're asking, and I provide the answers. Crisis averted! The meeting ends and I head back to my desk feeling good.
Until Manager storms up to my desk and proceeds to scream at me, "IF YOU'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE ABOUT SOMETHING, DON'T ANSWER! NONE OF THIS 'I'M NOT SURE' BULLSHIT! NEXT TIME THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR US!" and storms off. Nice projection, asshole.
I was new enough to not have the presence of mind to respond, so nothing came of it (though he was demoted not long after--possibly the shittiest manager I've ever known) so it all worked out in the end.
I was written up for being too pessimistic. It was about 8 years ago, I was a project manager at a small retail company. I was in a small meeting with my boss and the owner of the company. I was telling the owner all the possible risks associated with this new project I was given, the major one being that we didn't have enough time to complete everything by the owner imposed deadline. Calling out risks is literally one of the main responsibilities of being a project manager. Also the meeting went fine, no one got upset, it seemed everyone understood. A few days later I get called into HRs office with a write up for basically being a Debbie Downer. I was told to be more positive with my updates and stay away from any bad news. I was in total shock! A few days later I put my notice in and found a new job making twice as much. So it all worked out in the end. Thanks for the motivation Todd!
Worked for a company that hired some Harvard guy who fired the QA team for "being down on the product." He didn't see value in a team of people who did nothing but test the software and report what was wrong with it.
in most companies formal interactions, like writing people up, have to go through HR. Tha you can write people up in the US for such silly things is truly remarkable though. In my country writing someone up is only valid, if they violated the terms of their contract or disobeyed proper and legal procedures. While i guess you could write "has to be positive all the time" in the contract or company regulations it would not hold in court.
I'm doing a business course atm and the professor has worked in risk management for a very long time. Probably the first thing she told us about risk management is how careful you have to be and how hard it is to get people to actually talk about risks for this exact reason. It's ridiculous, you'd think people would want to cover their bases. She also mentioned this is why it's almost always outsourced, so nobody in the company has to be the bad guy.
Anybody who spends time doublechecking they're listed where they want in a group email needs to be fired. The company is not in the business of "your ego"
the person bringing the complaint is the one disrespecting everyone.
Amen, the business is here to make money, it is not here to play safety egos up its employees. I mean unless you happen to be a pornstar, and you get off on admiration, in which case your ego is definitely the company's business.
For documenting the accurate number of hours I worked, in a teaching lab. The department head didn't believe that the lab I taught (as a grad student) needed the hours it was given. Keep in mind, I had to do everything for the lab: create the lab manual, design lab activities, get ethics approval, create lab lectures, setup and clean up the lab, and do all the marking.
Turns out, the department used that document to pay me. This was never explained to me, usually we just get paid the set amount of hours, and I was of the understanding that this was just an audit of my hours to justify what I was getting. Turns out I worked about an extra 30% of the hours set for that lab for the semester. As a result, the department couldn't fully pay me until the following year because they didn't have it in their budget to pay for that extra 30%.
I ended up getting an ear full from the department head, but he backed off when I told him I was simply doing what he asked and that I wasn't inflating the numbers to get higher pay, since I had no idea they intended to pay me based on that audit.
Perhaps it's coincidence, or perhaps it was petty revenge, but later that year at gathering of the faculty and grad students he announced that I had won a major scholarship (one that would've paid pretty well for a grad student), and had me stand up in the crowd along with the other winners. Then, immediately after the assembly, he runs up to our lab office to tell me he read the sheet wrong and I hadnt actually won the scholarship, he just read the wrong name. I spent the next few days shamefully having to explain to everyone that, no I didn't get the award.
My GF is a pool cleaner and once got written up for sending a customer a picture of dead pigeons that were in their yard.
The customer called the office screaming that she sent the pictures "to be mean."
Turns out these people had pest control out on their property to "remove" all the frogs because the frogs were "keeping them awake at night", and the birds took the bait instead.
Because our write ups are just incident reports. Like, if a shitty Karen went nuclear on a staff member, we do create a incident report. But anybody reading this will absolutely go, "fucking Karen strikes again" and it absolutely won't reflect badly on the employee.
That stuff builds up over years so that when management decides they want you out, HR has years and years of in writing marks against you to demonstrate that it's not wrongful termination.
In the last firm I was at, we got written evaluations twice a year. I never recall anybody ever getting a single positive phrase about them as a person or an employee. They were always one hundred percent negative.
I got promoted three times despite my God awful evaluations.
But when I crossed the wrong person, all those years came out and I had been an unacceptable employee for the duration of my time there.
Fortunately, my direct manager gave me the heads up so I was able to get another job before they were able to drop the hatchet. I never had to sign anything, never had to acknowledge anything, refused an exit interview, and scored an additional month's pay plus my annual profit sharing.
I got a verbal warning for referring to someone as a "guy" in my team's group chat.
As in "I've got a guy here who's running into issues with getting his loan processed. How should I proceed with assisting him?"
My language wasn't professional enough, and my manager pulled me aside to warn me not to do it again. I've since left the role, and my new team fully embraces casual conversation (my manager has outright exclaimed that "our software is a piece of shit" to much agreement). Things are much better now.
I remember there was some juicy drama about that posted on another social media site. Apparently, there was a group of customers dining out, all of whom were women. I think most of them were lesbians or something to that effect so some of their attires weren't exactly feminine. So, when the waitress asked something like, "Is that everything for you guys?" they absolutely flipped. I don't remember how much trouble she got into for it, but oh boy, I'm forever scared that such an innocent slip of the tongue could land me in some thick shite at work.
That is (hopefully was) a think in some very strict japanese companies. Also, when people had to stamp thing, they would angle their stamps to be "bowing" to the superiors who stamped first. I hope all those traditions are dead
Being mildly autistic, I usually think I would love Japan for that 'don't bother others' culture, but I'm starting to think it might actually be a hellscape for me.
it would 100% be a hellscape, you're expected to conform entirely and deviations from what's expected socially are frowned upon significantly, it is extremely lonely if you can't be a carbon copy of everyone else. especially if you're a foreigner or have non-asian-looking parents, japanese will never really see you as "japanese", at first they treat you like a tourist but then when that wears off you're seen as below others
it's one of the most conservative cultures on the planet in a lot of ways, perhaps the most conservative in the first world (although it shows it in some weird ways like in respect to the heavy objectification/dismissal/sexualization of women in japanese culture, it doesn't look like "western" sexism a lot of the time). same kind of stuff applies to korea
from an outside perspective, and a tourist's perspective, japan and korea seem like they'd be amazing places to be, beautiful and a lot of fun stuff. but for most people it's just depressing, even for the people living there – great hint as to why the suicide rate is so high, you get practically no support and everything is incredibly superficial
so yeah i would say a pretty awful environment to be in if you're neurodivergent/have a disability in any way, shape, or form, or have any differences that would make you stand out (even so little as being racially different is enough to be ostracized). also the economy is pretty stagnant if you care about that
some people have different experiences, a lot of people love japan, but it's not for a majority of people. but as with anything, if you seriously want to move somewhere you should at least do your research yourself and take a lot of visits beforehand
if you want a "don't bother others" culture you might like finland, it's pretty much like that – i mean they also have an extremely high rate of depression but the culture isn't extremely oppressive like japanese culture is
Some people do better here, some worse. For me, there are some shops I even have a hard time with because they have the music playing plus various different jingles from little advertising things going in different keys, timings, etc. and all of it seemingly at 3 billion dB. I have to wear headphones just to make it through shopping. If you're sensitive to lights as well, you're going to have a bad time.
I also think the whole "don't bother others" thing can be a bit overstated compared to reality.
Also, when people had to stamp thing, they would angle their stamps to be “bowing” to the superiors who stamped first
The funniest thing is that you can also rotate the stamp slightly counterclockwise to indicate "I'm approving this proposal because it would be inconcievable to dissent from the group's thoughts, but I think you're all making a mistake by approving it" - and how much you rotate the stamp counterclockwise indicates how stupid you think the proposal is.
Used to work with an awesome chick named Velma. Boss pronounced it Thelma for three years. She finally started calling him Craig instead of Greg. Dude quit a year later after everyone else picked it up.
I put an attorney's name in the "assistant" field of a work order. That bitch called the manager to say she worked too hard to become a lawyer for me to call her a secretary, lmao
Weirdest would be that the CEO of the company I worked at then had one single runin with me in my entire tenure at that company and found that my facial expression wasn't to his liking.
I'm autistic and by that alone have little facial expression, add the meds I take for anxiety and depression and it results in that I have no facial expression at all.
So it pretty much came down to him not liking my resting face.
Tried to fire me for no reason, couldn't, because I'm in a protected class.
Managed to do so anyway by bullying me to no end until I accepted being fired.
Worst reason to be fired would be that I worked 48 hours straight on a weekend to implement vast network and server overhauls to then be fired for not being at work on monday morning.
I had the full clear from my boss and his boss and was not supposed to come in on monday unless something went bad with the upgrade (it didn't).
Simply not being there when my bosses boss wanted me to be there was all it took.
Both of those sound very illegal and you should probably have spoken to a lawyer. I’m sure you wouldn’t have wanted to stay at those jobs anyway but you could’ve at least gotten a nice payout.
In the first case, I accepted being fired because it was attached to being paid out for 6 months and as you expected, I wasn't looking to stay anyway. I had another job lined up already as I started to look for one right after he tried to fire me the first time, which HR halted as it was an obvious violation of my nations version of the peoples with disabilities act. I made bank of that idiot.
The second one, I wasn't actually fired because of the obvious legal ramifications. And contrary to the first situations boss, the one there didn't find this inability to fire me enough of a personal insult to make it his mission of getting rid of me.
Never do this. Always go home. Max out your overtime and go home. You will never be fired for not working 48 hours (unless you're in the military or on a train or something).
If they want you to do that, they don't have anyone else to take your place. Do the job at a normal pace and don't let them rush you.
That was not the reason they fired you, not being there on Monday morning, that was the excuse.
As you said the CEO wanted to fire you, so his chain of command was looking for any excuse to make it happen. You could have been there Monday morning and they would have found something else.
I was working in the military. An office job at HQ so we had to use our parade uniforms. I was working nights one week and didn't have any clean black socks, I used white.
Around 8 in the morning I was walking up the stairs to leave and passed the Naval Admiral, who promptly chewed me put for wearing white socks and dress shoes.
Kind of surprised that you see that as weird. I served myself and would never dream of wearing the uniform improperly. Especially around stars and bars. HQs got nothing better to do than dress and appearance.
I have never understood the need for black socks when wearing dress shoes. Especially since the majority of sane people definitely aren't gonna look directly at your feet and complain about white socks. If it were different colors or patterns then I could see it, but otherwise I just don't get it at all.
Eh, in project work 6 cc'd keep informed stakeholders to one needs this for their component of the work is pretty standard. Especially if it's a lots of moving parts project and some of the stakeholders are 2 for 1s like a delivery lead and SBA.
My petty ass would be putting them in reverse-seniority order from then on out of spite. That would be the absolute funniest thing ever to be fired for.
I introduced myself to a new client (new job) and the boss didn't like that the client joked to the boss that he better watch out for his job because I sounded like a better [what we did] than he did. Which I was. Which was why he hired me. But a month later I was working somewhere else.
I'm not OP but I still think about a series of events at my first job.
Would have been like 25 years ago, 3rd year plumbing apprentice and I was out on my own. Next job was for a real estate, the house was empty so I had to pick up the keys and then headed to the house, I was busting for a shit and the empty house was calling me. It was a blocked drain so I pulled up fast, cleared the drain before I shit myself and then went to open the back door.. and the key didn't fit, no problem I think as I heard around to the front.. key still didn't work. Fuck I'm in trouble here, there is no time to get to another toilet. I look around and see the access door into the crawlspace under the house which was pretty high, so I form a plan, use an empty bag to line a bucket and grab toilet paper out of the glovebox and head under with my homemade chamber pot. Do the business, tie the bag up and head to the bin to hide it. Once I open the lid I see the bin is completely empty.. I can't put it in there now so I put it in one of the big tool boxes on the back of the truck.
I ended up getting fired the next day, back then I partied pretty hard and was constantly late etc so definitely don't blame the boss. But the poop bag was never retrieved from the tool box. So at some point either the boss clearing it out or the next guy given that truck would have found a bag, opened it and see a big fat log.
I mean, this was when I was living in a suburb of Cleveland OH. it's not really a town thing so much as it's an industry thing. I spent 20 years running movie theaters. I worked for all the chains, both national and local. Between managers and projectionists, everyone knew everyone else.
I told the CEO that not having a disaster recovery plan was a bad idea. He did not like that. Got written up the next morning. They wouldn't even tell me exactly why I was being written up. Only that I had "not done what I was supposed to" which was apparently to sit there in silence.
Got fired from that job a few years later. My bosses boss called me at home because he didn't have the decency to do it to my face. In that moment I panicked a little but by the next day it was like a weight had been lifted. That place was a complete shit show.
I got in trouble for telling a senior manager that he was wrong on a technical issue. He sought expert advice on a control system but when the answer came back it didn't fit his conception of reality and he didn't want to hear it.
Turns out being good at management and being good at solving technical problems are skill sets that very rarely coincide in one person.
ime it usually goes the other way, someone is such a great engineer that they end up in a leadership position that they absolutely lack the soft skills for and either end up making everyone on the team resent them or burning themselves out by trying to take on work they're having trouble delegating
I got in trouble for eating chips too loudly. One of my coworkers complained to management and they had my supervisor lecture me about respecting boundaries in the workplace. The thing is that the supervisor thought it was stupid too but he still had to do it.
Meh, I can understand it to an extent. Depends on the severity.
Someone at my workplace, rather than having a meal in their break, just keep crunching raw carrots at their desk for hours on end. I don't think I'd complain to management if I was sitting close, but I'd sure as hell ask to be moved somewhere far, far away from the carrot nutcase.
Dont eat chips at work if you're seated next to other employees, especially if you're still at your desk and they are trying to work. Thats gronk behaviour. Go eat in the lunchroom.
I mean I'm probably gonna get down voted for this but........ The chips thing I can understand to a certain degree. My ex loves crunchy foods. She would bite into them with her mouth open so that it made the loudest noise possible because it was satisfying for her. In a quiet setting that noise can be extremely distracting.
The perfume thing... Some scents give me an outright headache if I'm exposed to them for too long. I haven't experienced it with perfume yet, but I have with some air freshener scents. So in that regard I get it.
Would I go to my boss about it? Nah. I'd explain my position to the individual and ask that they chew with their mouth closed or maybe use one less squirt of perfume, but I wouldn't report them over it. That's just sad.
The perfume / cologne thing - I'm not like, super sensitive but there's a couple of brands out there that make me feel like my lungs are gonna collapse if I keep breathing them. Just some kind of chemical in there or something. It's literally physically distressing, especially if I'm already feeling headachy or a bit tired.
And sometimes it's not that, it's just the smell is so thick I can taste it from feet away. I just don't want my mouth tasting like whatever it is they're wearing.
I'm in this situation all the time. Simple solution if you're worried about it: alphabetize them by first name. It's fair and if people actually care about crap like this, they can fuck off in general. At least if you're consistent with that, they can never complain. It's insane to me that it's a thing, but people are fragile and it matters a lot to some of them
I really hope that the people I'm sending emails to take time to read the message and respond instead of looking at the order they are copied
I only look to see if I need to respond (to:) or if it's something I need to be aware of (cc:) I don't give a fuck if I'm the last on the list or whatever
Yeah, if I'm replying to an existing thread, it's whatever order Outlook defaulted to. If I'm originating an email, alphabetical. Though I do it by last name (then first in the case of a tie).
The real life hack would be to update your resume if you work with anyone senior to you who may give a slight shit about this and publicly shaming them if they tell you to do it.
I always go alphabetically by surname, if i think the recipients care about the order. Still a hassle, but at least i don't have to decide who has a higher seniority.
I had a really insecure young manager who was almost half my age. Guy was a chickenshit. One day, while he was out, we reorganized our desks so that we'd not have our backs to the hallway. Instead, we turned our desks 180 degrees so that our backs were to the wall. He came around and said "well, this layout is not in accordance with the open office rules". I paused for a second, looked at him and replied "Oh really? No shit! How cute..." And proceeded to ignore him solemnly.
He didn't do shit. Was eventually let go for complete incompetence and negative reviews from every single one of his employees.
I didn't give maximum effort according to my pa, when an outside contractor who was giving kickbacks to my supervisor, tried to sell our company a circa 2000 used phone system.
I got in trouble at work because I sent an email to my manager about some new servers that were being installed, but didn't appear we had access to the management console. I let her know the entire team will need access so we could properly support the machines. I was pulled into a conversation... How dare I presume my direct manager who only managed my team, have any idea what we do!
This has never been an unstruction from a superior, but I just realized instinctively do go by superiority. Like, I've never gotten in trouble or known someone to get in trouble over it, but just did it that way so as not to offend without realizing people might actually be offended otherwise.
I've had both kinds of managers. Now I'm high up enough that I don't really have to deal with it because I can give as good as I get in that regard.
At no point have I ever paid any attention to where my name comes in an email. I'm pretty sure it's in alphabetical order and given my last name is towards the end of the alphabet I'm never usually even on the list of names displayed by Outlook.
Other than the douche bag who reamed you out, the rest of the managers would probably rather you left them off of that email. Sooo many bullshit emails that managers would love to not receive.
If someone has time to check and see if their listed in the "correct" order in the cc line then they're not doing their job. Ain't nobody (whose actually doing work) got time for that.
I've got a few from being in the military, but a couple off-hand are:
I got in trouble for going to lunch at the normal time, and missing a particular event (hot refuel of an aircraft, so fueling without shutting down), which unbeknownst to me was written in a kind of code on the flight schedule, and was told I should have checked with the watch Captain before going to lunch. So after that I checked in with the watch Captain at the beginning of the day to see if there were any scheduled events during lunch, or if it was at the normal time. A couple weeks later, another watch Captain absolutely reams me out, saying all I care about is lunch, and every time I'm about to say something he keeps saying "there's nothing you can say, you have nothing to say, just listen." So I kept my mouth shut and just stared at him until he finished (I worked at Blockbuster, I know how to get yelled at by someone with a blank look on my face). Then I said, "can I say something now?" And he said "FINE. What do you have to say?!" "Dan told me to do that. I missed a hot gas, and he told me to check with the watch captain." "Oh... well, he's the one who brought it up to me today, so you should probably work that out with him." No apology, no oops, just go talk to the guy who can't remember what he's ordered people to do.
Another was when we received Tesla rolling Batteries (2 ft high heavy batteries for aircraft), and they came in boxes with spray in foam on the inside (that formed around the battery when it was placed in). It was significantly more foam than box, and the foam was clearly not recyclable. So we threw the whole boxes in the dumpster after we unloaded the Teslas. The civilian contractor who was in charge of the aviation supply office came bursting in and lost his goddamn mind. and I was like, "We don't work for you? You can take it up with my chief if you want." And then our chief, who didn't feel like dealing with that mess, had us peeling foam out of the boxes (tearing the boxes up in the process) in 95 degree weather out by the dumpster for over an hour, all to put about 45% of three boxes in the recyclin bin. I had been in for significantly more time than the others, and told them that my 8 years in the military so far, that was the dumbest thing I have had to do, so it only got better from there for them.
Since you're the only person bothering to say anything, can you explain why I'm being downvoted? I have no idea what Michael Jackson has to do with any of this and feel like I accidentally stepped on a meme or something.
I have never heard anyone being scolded for that but then again this is common sense from where i come from so everyone sorts recipients by importance.
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I don't get what is so outrageous e.g. this order boss > colleagues > intern
It's just professional respect. Some also call it etiquette.
There are even courses of proper communication that teach that. It's those small things that makes your communication better. So it makes sense.
You could say that not greeting your boss also make no change as it's not needed for work. But to me it seems common sense to greet people i know when i meet them.
It's called respect. i guess, It used to be common thing. Some cultures have it even in their languages like Japanese "sempai"
edit : like this boss > colleagues > intern
Common sense? Certainly not. I never do that. I just add people as they come to my mind. Sometimes I order by how important the mail might be for them (which is roughly the same thing, usually). If I had to work in an environment where people are so self-absorbed that they determine their worth from the order of the names in the carbon copy recipients list of an email, I'd look for another place to work in.
So if you send email to the owner of the company and to your colleagues on same level you put boss at last spot if they come to your mind as last?
BTw read what i wrote, again. There is no mention of it being mandatory in my post . It's similar thing to as when we used to hold door to next person so they don't get smashed by it. edit> I don't get what's so enraging on voluntarily ordering recipient in the mail boss > colleagues > intern.
Before this thread I’ve never heard of this concept. I have been working in tech for 30 years and was using email before 90% of the planet. No, this is not normal.
Wrong. Boss ALWAYS goes in the “To” field regardless of who the message is addressed to. You don’t want them to receive a copy of the email rather than the original! /s