Trump floats sending military after US citizens on election day
Trump floats sending military after US citizens on election day
‘I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics,’ Republican candidate tells Fox’s Maria Bartiromo
‘I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics,’ Republican candidate tells Fox’s Maria Bartiromo
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"And it should be easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military," he said.
"I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. Not even the people who have come in, who are destroying our country."
It isn't clear under what circumstances Trump would view it justifiable to call in US troops against his own countrymen.
But his comments mark a baseless attack and a particularly hollow one coming from someone whose supporters violently attacked the US Capitol in an attempt to stop him from being thrown out of office three years ago.
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Your oath of allegiance is to the United States, not to Donald Trump, Joe Biden, or Kamala Harris. You have a duty to obey lawful orders issued under the authority of the commander in chief. But it is your duty to disobey unlawful orders.
The oath is actually to the Constitution of the United States. So it's not even the country or the government but the idea, the founding document.
Heritage Foundation: Hold my beer, SCOTUS ASSEMBLE! You know what to do.
SCOTUS: it's legal now.
I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it further.
The military has never had any hesitancy at all in murdering American citizens when told to. They will not stand up.
Killing people is the reason why some of them joined in the first place.
It isn’t clear under what circumstances Trump would view it justifiable to call in US troops against his own countrymen.
Isn't it though? He would view it justifiable to call them in for literally any reason.
The media, as usual, talks as if they're trying to discern his secret, rational plan. Even when he spouts fascist threats of mass oppression and murder, they discuss him as if he's just another politician with policy proposals. It's unclear under what circumstances he'd call in troops against Americans because he's psychologically chaotic, fragile and highly volatile. Anything could trigger him to do so. The only thing that's consistent is he threatens retribution against immigrants, trans people, Black people, women, and anyone who doesn't worship him enough.
"They brought me a turkeyberder instead of a HAMberder?! Call SEAL Team 6!!"
"I don’t think [immigrants] are the problem in terms of election day,” Trump told Bartiromo. “I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics.”
At that point, he suggested a seemingly sinister solution.
“And it should be easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military,” he said.
“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. Not even the people who have come in, who are destroying our country.”
He's called Biden a "radical leftist", it's anyone who won't vote for him...
"I don’t think [immigrants] are the problem in terms of election day,” Trump told Bartiromo. “I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics.”
And yet there are SO many “radical left lunatics” right here on lemmy that seem to think both sides are equally as bad.
Let Trump round them up then. Problem solved.
I don't see that often.
What I see a lot of is accounts that say Kamala has to be "conservative" on some issues to get votes, but can't give a valid reason why Kamala sticks with unpopular policy like pro-genocide or pro-fracking.
But she doesn't take the threat of trump seriously enough to make her want to aide with the platform of her own goddamn party. She like genocide and fracking too much apparently, and it would be cynical to imply it was the donations and not her genuine feelings on the issues
And polls continue to call the race a tie.
At some point we have to acknowledge that roughly 30% of our population are just evil, fascist monsters. Having lived in those states, this isn't a surprise.
Some of them are just country bumpkins who vote for whoever their pastor says
Been in their churches, you hear the chorus loud and clear when he talks about 'taking the country back from the powers of satan and other elitists'. He doesn't mean Olympic athletes.
We need to find those churches then and report them to the IRS no?
I'd say 20% are just absolute morons that watched ancient aliens and garbage like that back in the day then fell for every dumbass psyop conspiracy theory on the Internet. Now they are willfully ignorant of facts and truth.
Ughh you described my dad, except he's still watching shit like that and skinwalker ranch... And yes he's a full blown Magoo. :(
The guy's a nutjob and the fact that his candidacy is still being framed as having any air of legitimacy by the media is fucking disgusting.
Edit: any reason I got downvoted into the dirt for asking for a source on real polling numbers because I didn't have time to do my own digging right at that moment?
Not that downvotes generally bother me but JeeZe. Wasn't even expressing an opinion just looking for clarification. And thanks to those who provided it.
ORIGINAL
All the polls I can find show them damn near dead even now.
That was a 20 second search though do you have a source?
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
So say we all.
The supreme court decided police are under no obligation to serve or protect
“I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical
leftlunatics."Yeah Don, we know. They even wear a red hat to help identify themselves.
"dictator day one"
"prosecute my opposition"
"prosecute my critics"
It seems insane to think people are shooting at him because they're listening to democrats (something the MSM largely does not do) and not because people are just listening to the things he's saying he'll do.
It seems insane to think people are shooting at him because they're listening to democrats
I'm confused by this sentence. What do Democrats have to do with any of this?
Trump has had multiple assassination attempts on him this year, and each time it happens Trump blames Democratic rhetoric as the motivating force.
Of course, anybody who took even a cursory look into the motives of each would-be assassin (and let's be frank, it's a big stretch to call some of these guys assassins - getting caught with a loaded weapon near where Trump is located is apparently enough to be considered an assassination attempt, even if Trump was never in any danger) they are often Republicans who absolutely hate the Democrats, so they wouldn't be listening to their political rhetoric anyway which has been nothing short of "Political violence is not the solution, let's win at the ballot box in November."
Meanwhile, Trump is promising to be a dictator on day one, promoting eugenics, deploying the armed forces to deport legal residents, threatening to prosecute and jail his political opponents and revoke the 1st amendment rights of his critics, but refuses to answer calls to "turn the temperature down".
the media line was that democrats were being to mean to trump.
I don't know, some republicans think Democrats have something to do with this?
For the millionth time all leftists should be armed. Cannot stress enough how important that is.
lol, leftists here are doing everything they can to take away the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
That type of comment may have gone over well back on reddit but, sir, we are not idiots here. UTTER BULLSHIT, LEFTISTS DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. We want that right too. We just don't want mentally ill people having access to assault weapons with which they can kill many, many people with significantly reduced effort. Someone going on a rampage with a pistol or a shotgun is far less deadly than someone with a long rifle of any type, especially automatic rifles. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT LEFTIST DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY.
Democrats are not leftists.
The old saying is; if you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
looks at maga
Can't imagine why.
Well liberals certainly are, I don't know if I'd say leftists are.
Oh hey, treason man is yet again announcing publicly that he's a treasonous piece of shit and that he plans to continue committing treason? Wow, what shocking news. /s
Why wouldn't he continue? It's not like there's ever any consequences for him.
But I don't like treason!
So that's how he plans to make the economy better, to force his opposition to leave the country and appropriate their wealth and property. Who did Nazi that coming?
What is a Nazi dictator to do but follow his heart.
This is EXACTLY what the Founders Intended! George Washington LITERALLY said that the US Military should be used on US Citizens and that Children should be Gunned Down in School!
Yup, I was there! I remember it well!
This guy in my discord I got into an argument with recently was going on about how he's voting for Trump because he cares about the constitution. You can't win with these clowns
George Washington literally led the army against American civilians in the Whiskey Rebellion, so that's probably not the best example.
This rhetoric is meant for voter intimidation because they know Republicans always lose when Democrats turn out to vote.
The polls are meaningless because they could be manipulated or manufactured, we don’t know who’s being polled. People just need to cast their vote and not let this be a close election.
I will never express my opinions in places where I can be easily identified unless I am among people I know and trust. I will vote and keep my leftist ideology to myself amongst strangers irl. I rather like living without being bothered.
So like, when was the last time someone said they needed to handle the "enemy within"?
Oh wait
I remember this from history class!
Them "stop calling everyone you disagree with a nazi!"
Reasonable people: "then stop suggesting nazi shit?"
I took World History Honors in Florida 2 years ago, pretty much learned nothing about the coming up of the Nazis. It was mostly memorizing the causes/effects of stuff like the industrial revolution or King Henry the 8th. However the teacher DID wear a Roman dress with a helmet and shield for the test day of the Roman empire so that was cool.
Also completely unrelated but we only had to memorize the places of iirc 13 European countries and the big ones like Russia/China/India and that's it.
The last time is much more recent.
He's crying.
He's falling apart and going more batshit as his last-ditch attempt to grab power before crashing permanently.
More that he's trying to stay out of jail.
And yet he has a 50/50 chance of becoming president again.
Sane Americans better go out and vote.
Maybe, but he could still easily win if enough voters don't vote.
This is the collective stupidity of America
It isn't about Turnip making dumb comments like this or suggesting making fascist government
No
It's about how America just sits around and listens to all this stupidity and accepts it all as a regular normal part of the political conversation.
Looks like the U.S. is going to vote in an oppressive dictatorship to own the libs.
One word: Kristallnacht
It's October, tis the season.
Soldiers are not obligated to follow unlawful orders....the brass will say "no".
Just cause the big guy called Trump a fascist doesnt mean there arent plenty of supporters down the chain of command.
If the soldiers down the chain don't get the order because the big guy ignored the fascist, then their feelings don't matter.
How much support is there for Trump in the military though?
I'm worried about the possibility that this kind of rhetoric could lead to an attempted coup or civil war.
Really depends. In general officers tend to be mixed bag while enlisted soldiers tend to lean Trump.
But it also depends the branch. In my experience most Marines tend to support Trump while the Navy and Airforce is more mixed.
I’m sure you can get some statistics if you look it up. But it’s pretty certain the military leans more conservative than the general population on average.
They lean conservative but not Trump. They voted blue in 2020 because the conservatives didn't really come out to vote for him. They also have very complicated feelings about the Constitution and targeting Americans. So they probably would refrain from getting involved in anything but the most egregious conduct, like the Jan 6th insurrection, until we're so far down the hole they can't maintain unit integrity between left and right. At that point you'd probably see about a 60/40 split.
Unfortunately people as a whole tend to follow orders regardless of their political party or legality. It's been studied and observed all throughout history
The officers already told Trump no. And when the National Guard was deployed for BLM protests they actually stuck to their ROE and didn't deploy force recklessly like the police. Even when the police tried to get the NG in trouble with the people by dressing like them and then telling the NG they might as well.
If the NG was ordered to show up at the polls they would most likely sit in a position a couple hundred meters away where most people won't see them but they'd be able to respond rapidly. They'd force the governor to be more and more explicit in their orders until they got to an actually illegal one. For example if the NG has been called for law and order they would be under the same restrictions as the police in regards to polling places. (In many states police aren't allowed to hang out there, they have to vote and leave unless someone specifically calls them and faking a call to get them there could count as election interference.)
I know it's hard to understand the military mindset from the outside looking in, but I guarantee you it's not the robotic machine that Hollywood portrays. They are very conscious of their responsibility to the people.
Its not as simple as that though, e.g. that electro shock experiment was rather shaky and subsiquent attempts to replicate it have all but falsified its results.
What you have to do is cherry pick the small group of people that are willing to do awful things, you then get them to do those things in presence of the saner people who then feel guilty by association. After that you can use their lack of action to stop this awful thing as blackmail/guilttrip to get them to do some small awful thing of their own, and then repeat that process to get them to do increasingly awful things until everyone is just as bad as what was originally just a very small subset of that group. Importantly even though they're doing awful things they still feel bad about it but they're in too deep, this makes them even more effective than your original psychopaths because they know how they're likely to be punished should your side loose which makes them fanatical in order to avoid punishment.
Its a tried and tested process but not quite as simple as people just following orders.
Til they don't
And this is exactly why I registered as an independent once Trump hit the scene and I still don't feel safe with just that. I'm not some big brain smarty-pants, but I could see this piece of shit going full Nazi from a mile away, not to mention the frothing rage Fox news has kept The Base in with regard to anyone on "the left."
It's kinda sad to know that there really were only 2 people in our entire country who really would have tried to kill Hitler and one was a damn kid.
Man someone should give him the end of his political carrier that Mussolini got. The person who does has my respect for life.
And what should the military do when people storm the capital, Donnie?
He rambled on about immigrants at a rally and said election day will be our Liberation Day. Sounds like mass deportation and mass killing of liberals to me.
I should have been doing it regardless, but this past weekend I started hitting the shooting range again.
He tried to get a crowd to attack someone who interrupted him.
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There's no enemy Donny. You're talking about your own countrymen.
He knows
floats like the piece of shit he is
Shit only floats when it's full of gas which makes sense
He is trying to sway the "white supremacists in the military" vote.
So like 60% of the voter base abroad, makes sense.
lmao, great comment
And again, he plans to follows Hitlers footsteps.
I actually laughed out loud when I read that headline.
It's profoundly horrifying but so absurd.
And yet unsurprising...
Theres no way Trump would float at all, especially after all that weight he lost.
Fat floats pretty well and Trump is not the chiseled Adonis Ben Garrison would have you believe he is.
He is full of hot air though.
We all float down here...
Very messed up of Trump.
idiot has to know he cant do that. the ones that can had better not if they want to keep their stations
Trump will be able to do essentially whatever he wants. One of the bullet points of both Project 2025 and Agenda 47 is to greatly extend the power of the executive branch by making essentially all decision making roles in government agencies a political position. In doing so he'll fire anyone who doesn't step in line and replace them with a loyalist.
Combine that with the rulings from SCOTUS and people should be fucking terrified of him, or any Republican, being in power. Because it's not just him. He's just a useful idiot.
Is it at all possible that the "radical leftist" he is referring to are ones that would potentially react violently to him becoming president? Such as the 2 that have already acted violently by him running as president?