They kind of already did, at least they did in the past.
They fought pretty hard to make you only use their toners, and they would warn you to change your toner cartridges way earlier than it was necessary to do so, disabling the printer if you didn't. I remember having to put tape over the optical device in the printer that looks at the toner cartridge, just so I can keep using my toner cartridge.
Don't get me wrong, I love my brother mfc7840w printer, but it's so weird to hear so much praise for Brother, it's like there is group amnesia about how they used to be on some of this stuff themselves.
I honestly don't remember my printer brand. And that's a good sign. I bought it years ago, and it now lives under my basement stairs on a static IP via wifi, accepting the on average bimonthly print job that I need from it. Then I walk down, fetch the print, and close the door on it again. I should name it Harry Potter.
Nah, it's been running since '11 and because of a critical network vulnerability that op never patched, it's been a bitcoin slave since '15. But the paper is always nice and toasty.
I got a Canon MF3010 laser printer a few years back. It is attached to a print server made out of an old Mac laptop I had. It has been great. I can print to it from anything, Mac, Windows, Linux, iOS and I have had to replace the toner once since I got it.
I've used tons of dot matrix, inkjets and lasers since the 80s. I've used them in MSDOS, ProDOS, Linux, BSD, Windows, MacOS, OSX, and BeOS. I don't know how many I've owned or how many different OS versions but I know I've had exactly 1 printer that wasn't constantly a problem and its a Brother laser printer.
My only gripe with it was the scan drivers were not easy to configure to enable network scanning.
Once I figured that out, I made a SANE scan server that has the drivers, and I just point all my devices to that (SANE to SANE) and don't even need to install the actual scanner drivers. It's damn amazing.
Once I figured that out, I made a SANE scan server that has the drivers, and I just point all my devices to that (SANE to SANE) and don’t even need to install the actual scanner drivers. It’s damn amazing.
Could you point me towards instructions on how to do that?
Did the same thing for mine. I've got one with ADF scanning, but it's only one-sided. So I simply wrote some script on my scan server that merges the current scan with the last scan if they have the same amount of pages and now I can easily scan stacks of paper with both sides. After that it goes through some compression and off to my NAS. Ah, love my pipeline, so glad how simple the printer's Linux drivers made it.
My (German) roomie's father called us a while back to excitedly tell us that his doctor has digitalised. By digitalised he meant that the doctor will fax any prescription he issues to whatever chemist the patient requests.
Here in Sweden, I log on to 1177.se to refill my prescription, usually a nurse will call me with some general questions, then I can log on to any chemist's website (both systems are tied to your national identity), and have the prescription delivered to my door the next day. I live in a small town of like 20k inhabitants too, so it's not like it's a big city only type thing.
We clearly have very perspectives on the term "digitalisation."
I'm with you, but unfortunately our world is still filled with old fucks who still see paper (and by extension, wet signatures) as some sort of ultimate authoritative source
Source: I've worked in the financial industry before (and never again)
Interestingly a Lemmy user in another thread has a very negative view of Brother because he only uses Brother cutting machines (for craft projects) and it's filled with DRM and HP style lock in.
There need to be open source "smart" devices. Like, I've read and edited the source code running on my 3D printer. I was able to do that in my own home because it's got an Arduino Mega for a motherboard.
Brother has already started to enshitify, Kyocera is an alternative company that does simple laser printers, with easy and cheap to source generic toners
Brother gets recommended a lot by virtue of being the least shitty option in the hellish wasteland of consumer/office printers. They aren't perfect, but Brother printers have been the only option in the entire office to reliably print from a Linux computer over the network. Honestly, any day I don't have to interact with a printer is a good day.
Just don't update the printer's firmware! Mine's being going great for years now, but I'm scared that I might accidentally update it and the toner will be labeled unauthorised
In fairness you should do this on Windows as well.
95% of home printing needs can be handled by a mono laser. If you need a photo, usually cheaper to print it online or at a supermarket. Only for larger prints might it be cheaper to do it at home, and you'd better be sure to use it often because most inkjets clog like a motherfucker when not in use.
Yep. That's exactly what I do. I thought about a color laser, but even the Brother ones will not print if one of the colors is empty (or, at least at the time I was researching).
So I got a good mono one that covers 99% of my needs. For the few times I need to print in color, I just have that done somewhere for next to nothing. Typically those are photos, and what I get back are better than I'd have printed at home.
most inkjets clog like a motherfucker when not in use.
If you have an inkjet printer, even an expensive one, you have to leave it plugged in and in standby mode so it can do it's regular cleaning cycle.
A good middle-range inkjet printer (like a Canon MB2700) can be economical and durable; unfortunately most people's experience of inkjet are the ultra-cheap ones sold in big-box stores, sold at a loss, to sell over-priced cartridges, and not left plugged in/don't have cleaning cycles.
I have a 10 year old Canon MP280 still going strong. It's one of the ultra cheap ones, I believe originally sold for something like 20$ at a sale. The only problem it has nowadays is that it occasionally makes some ink blotches in a corner of the page.
Yup, bought an old office mono laser printer (its from OKI) for pretty cheap, I got one that can do duplex scanning and printing with a document feeder because I dont want to scan every page individually.
Put new cheapo toner in it after a bit because it only came with a little bit and with that new cartridge it will probably last at least 10 years with my print frequency.
If I would have bought a new ink printer with those features I would have paid much more (investment and running costs) and I would probably need to unclog it every time I want to print something.
My father had a Brother laser printer. It outlived him. (...Anyway. Have you ever had to do Windows tech support for family? Not always nice. Ever had to do Windows printer tech support? Hoo boy. Ever had to do Windows printer tech support when the printer is hooked through a Centronics-to-USB adapter? Uggh. ...though I was kind of surprised that Windows 10 still had built in drivers for the damn thing.)
Me, I bought a Canon laser which technically has Linux drivers but damn me if I ever got it to print more than the CUPS test page. ...actually I'd rather not talk about CUPS. I have too many bad memories about it. (You can't escape the Printer Madness just by using Linux, oh no.)
I always suspect printing/scanning is easier on linux because by default linux don't have a firewall by default (also driver is always included).
I was trying to setup a firewall on linux, the printing and scanning is as painful as windows if not worse. So now I just turn off the entire firewall if I want to print/scan. Fortunately, I rarely print or scan.
I'm a big proponent of buying government surplus office printers. I have this huge print center collater thing that came with more toner than I'll ever use in my life. $55
Oh gods yes. Government surplus equipment is amazing when you can find it.
My state used to send all their decommissioned IT equipment to a warehouse where the public could buy it. It was a wonderland. My first few laptops all came from there (was poor and that was the only way I could afford one).
About 5 years ago, though, they stopped that and only send old furniture there. Anything electronic now goes to some 3rd party e-waste service where it probably ends up in a landfill in some poor country.
The only reason I ever got rid of my original brother laser printer is because computers stopped coming with parallel ports, and the adapters I tried all sucked.
2nd Brother laser printer is still going strong after 15yrs.
I think mine is at least over 15 (hl2150n released in 2007). It had 4 toner replacements so far. It gets used less and less. It could be that I still did not print a single page in 2024, don't remember.
Brother laser printers are good for everyone, not just Linux users.
Helped my gfs mom troubleshoot her HP printer (I know, ew. She bought it before we met) and finally figured out from the stupid app that it was out of one color.
The app doesnt indicate this in words though, Oh no.
Just a stupid infographic that doesnt say ANYTHING. Just shows a nondescript bar at the top.
Only reason I downloaded it was i thought it would be a bit more user friendly.
Long story short I recommended a brother laser printer because the last time I replaced a cartridge in it was a couple years back and that was after printing things for god knows how long. And mine is old af.
run a mixed network - have never had a single problem with my brother color laser from any device - win10, 11, mac, a bunch of different distros of linux.... android and ios phones.
I've looked into them when buying a new printer. They're the cheapest laser you can buy, but the refills include the drums, which makes them way more expensive. They're also extremely small for a laser.
I ended up buying an epson ecotank, which is a lot slower than a laser, but it's still on the original ink after 800+ pages and it's never been problematic even if I leave it for a couple months without printing. Doesn't seem to clog up like others have reported
I don't have a Brother to compare it to, but it works just fine to print and scan documents.
I got it set up on wifi because I wanted to shove it into a corner where it won't get in the way, and it's working perfectly fine.
The last printer I got cost 40€. Print shops charge 10ct per copy. That’s 400 prints just to amortize the cheapest garbage printer you could buy 10 years ago. And the ink doesn’t last 400 prints. Owning a printer just doesn’t make sense.
You pay for the convenience.
I don't often need to print something, but when I do, it's usually outside of the opening hours of a print shop and I'm in a hurry.
(95% of my printing are fantasy RPG floor plans that I've downloaded literally 5 minutes before the players show up.)
Paid 55€ for my old used laser printer a few years ago and some toner for 20€, both will last me well over 700 pages, not to mention the time saved by not having to go to a print shop and I can print whenever I want, even on sunday (Germans know what I mean).
If I need to print something in color I could do it at work or at my fathers place, but that didnt even happen yet.
Went to the FedEx print shop a few months back. They directed me to a self help that wanted me to overpay or it wouldn't print anything (blocks of payments, like 5/10/15 but the thing I wanted was like 7.89). I asked if they could do it for me instead so I could just pay for the thing I want and they said yes but would charge I think it was 2 bucks for assistance, still cheaper than the other overcharge but wtf. Just going to a locally owned place from now on after that ridiculousness.
This is the way. I have a Brother B&W laser printer/scanner combo because I fairly regularly need to print/sign/scan/email forms for various things, but if I need something colour or really.good quality the local print shop is the way to go
I did that for years until I found myself in a job that frequently involves signing and scanning purchase orders. As I've spent six figures of company money on network hardware and other tech stuff over the past year you'd think we'd have an electronic solution for this and while most of it is done via SAP, our suppliers still often need an actual signature.
Ironically, the last time i needed a Windows PC was to set up my Brother laser printer. You needed to do it with some utility that was only available for Windows.
That's weird. I didn't have that issue with mine (though I've seen Canon and HP printers require something like that -- or a smartphone app).
Mine is an old 2013 model with ethernet and wifi. You could find it's DHCP address from the panel and configure everything through its web UI. It even lets you enter the wifi SSID/password on a very tiny, awkward onscreen keyboard lol
I been through about 10 TN-450 cartridges in my Brother printer and can count on one hand how many jams I've had. And I'm pretty sure they were all because my kid would take paper out and leave a page sitting crooked in the tray.
What worked for me was to buy an old, refurbished, commercial HP laser printer, without the subscription "features". I paid $75 and have saved that much in ink costs, just this year.
I just dragged out my wife's old college hp inkjet printer, and I was delighted to discover that it doesn't even have a networking function on it. No wifi and no ethernet. It's not even 10 years old.
Of course, to use it I have to be within usb-cord range, but small sacrifice for a printer that won't hold itself hostage over outdated credit card information.
That said, we really need to keep printing paper hard copies of important stuff. Like, why do archival projects not charge non-personal (business & government) users a subscription fee for access and provide free personal use to library card holders?
I inherited a Brother laser printer from a lab I was once in. Apparently the toner only says it's almost out via an infrared sensor. I read you can tape over the part on the toner cartridge and it will keep printing until it actually runs out.
I've printed so many more things after I did that, it's actually still going now.
You can also disable that in the menu. I bought a brother printer and it said that the toner was empty so I purchased a new toner cartridge but then I disabled the warning and I'm still on the original toner. And I printed so much stuff with it, it's like it never runs out 😂
Canon black and white laser. Our original toner lasted for years and years, well above it's rated number of pages. Not that we print a ton, but it was still impressive. The driver is a little flakey at times, but overall it's been a reliable wifi printer.
Most of those old HP lasers were also office behemoths that, inflation adjusted, cost over $5000. They caused all sorts of problems in an office environment--the printer in Office Space was basically about those--but they work great for small family use.
I only ditched my 5si because Windows stopped shipping drivers. Could have hacked it, but I figured if there weren't drivers, people would slowly get rid of them, and the replacement toner market would disappear.
I don't know, my Brother printed definitely has DRM/lock-in toner cartridges. And if only one of them gets too low the whole thing stops working. Still can't get double sided to work reliably
lol so true, however I have had a Samsung color laser wifi printer for 10+ years, worked flawlessly in linux. It was years before they got bought by HP
I finally convinced my wife to get a brother laser printer after she went through like 5 HP printers. We have had the thing for almost 10 years and just had to change the toner. I can print from every computer, tablet, and phone in the house with no issues.
I rarely need to print, but when I do, it's always something important - typically something I have to physically print, sign, and send back. I just click "print" and never worry about it. Haven't been let down in the 11 years I've had this one (except that one time it was out of paper lol).
I remember trying to print HUGE gamefaqs guides on my dot matrix printer back in the day. Thing literally ran for over 24 hours to print some of the larger ones.
And it was also cool that when it seemed like it was out of ink, you could pop open the cartridge, spray the ribbon with WD-40, and get another 200-300 pages out of it.
We bought an HP laser printer a few years ago.. it drives me crazy in that when it goes to sleep mode, it never recovers, meaning you have to power cycle it to get it to respond again. Once it's power cycled, it's .. fine, although I curse it anyway since it's 2024 and how can they still make printers that still do this shit.
Anyway.
In Windows, on my wife's and kids' Windows PCs, it works most of the time but was a huge pain to set up with the stupid apps.
On Android, it works most of the time after setting up stupid apps.
On my Linux desktops, it worked perfectly out of the box on both of them. I couldn't believe it. One desktop is Manjaro and the other is Mint
I actually have a brother inkjet printer which works reasonably well under Linux. Inkjet printers in general are troublesome, so there's a cap on how well they can work under any operating system.
I could never figure out though how to receive faxes and the return receipts for sending them directly on the PC. There just seems to be a lack of modern, user friendly apps for this. I'm certain it's possible but the technical expertise is just beyond me.
And yes, I still use fax when communicating with government agencies. My country is a backwater when it comes to digitalization and faxes provide legal certainty just like registered mail. But unlike registered mail they cost next to nill.
Yeah, I've had printers with built-in fax before and those never worked right from PC (the fax part). I think the only time I had a working fax solution on my PC was a combo of one particular fax/modem card I had and whatever Windows Fax utility that came with windows 98. Other modems / software just didn't work at all.
I loved my old HP laser printer. It was 5+ years old when I got it and it lasted another 10. Had a HUGE toner cartridge that was relatively cheap if you got the knockoffs.
I currently have a Ricoh multifunction SP C261SFNw. It's not bad. Black toner cartridge doesn't have anywhere near the amount of pages I'd like but sure beats the cost of ink!
Is the Ricoh a home model? I only know of their business products which are both huge and $$$$ lol. Our office rotates between those and Kyocera depending on the refresh cycle.
I'm guessing it's a small office model. It has duplexing and 500 sheet capacity. I only paid $189.00 for it back in 2019 on Amazon. At that price point I couldn't resist for home.
It's available now for $2,998.00 on Amazon from a company called Top Amazing Deals(SERIAL NUMBER RECORDED) which has (1081 ratings) 50% positive over last 12 months. I'm sure they are trustworthy!
This post is a reminder that I might have to take another look at used printers for sale, get something that won't suck whenever I need to print RPG character sheets and other stuff for tabletop gaming
Brother printers have been a recommendation under Windows users for a long time too already. Not that they're perfect either but pretty much everyone's fed up with the bullshit of the likes of HP.
I inherited an Canon Pixma MG3600 from a friend who got a new printer of her own, and it's been impressively stable for years now.
A really solid printing experience on Linux; I'd say "plug and play" but I've got it set up for wireless printing and it worked immediately without plugging in!
I've not tried the scanner on Linux but it worked on Mac out of the box without proprietary drivers so I can imagine the same for Linux.
I got a small xerox laser. It's fantastic. Works on everything I'm the house, including phones, tablets, windows and Linux. It's a bit more eh feature rich than I was expecting, but after tinkering in the settings I've not had to touch it in years.
Brother printers are great. Probably the only decent printer brand for home usage. My university has free printing, and those are Canon printers. They seem to work fine, so I guess the commercial market is a little different.
Weirdly, my parents have this Samsung M2020W printer, and I gotta say, it's pretty neat. Takes any off-brand toner cartridge. They only need a cartridge every year or so. It's been 3+ years, but no problem so far. That might be an exceptional case, though.
I used to have a Samsung laser for quite a few years. Went through maybe three toner cartridges. Eventually it started slipping and I didn't bother finding out if there's a repair available and bought a brother laser instead. Worked pretty great otherwise.
Haven't tried toner transfer on this, but regular printouts are fine and it's much faster.
If you still have the printer (you may not but I'm going to put this out there for others too) that sounds like a simple roller replacement, and rollers/pickup pads are usually considered "consumables" instead of "parts" because they all wear out over time. This is true for most if not all consumer printers, ink and laser alike.
Replacements should be pretty easy to find for even old printers, and the installation is usually pretty straightforward. Last year I was still able to buy a roller replacement set for a 19 year old HP, and it took me ten minutes and one Phillips head screwdriver to replace them all.
You can also just take out and clean the hell out of anything rubber with isopropyl alcohol, letting it dry thoroughly and then putting it back in, or if possible rotate the rubber on it to present an unused side, I've done all that a few times too.
For pretty much any model printer, search on the printer model number and "maintenance kit" to find available roller/pickup pad replacements for sale, and printer model number plus "service manual" to get replacement instructions if you need them.
Someone actually commented that in another post the other day (may have even been you lol). I absolutely had that comment in mind when I used it as a caption 😆
Mine is a cartridge model, an XP-830 "Small-in-One" that gets used...maybe once a year. As I said I'm not throwing it away yet. Further info: I bought a tablet computer specifically so that I wouldn't have to print out my drawings for use in the wood shop, because I want to stop printing things entirely.
As far as I know, the tank models are just as bad. They need to flush the system, which they do onto a sponge which when saturated means the printer is broken.
I used mine with the old, reliable "HP LaserJet 4200 PS" driver for the first year or two. I only installed the official drivers because I wanted the duplexing to work. lol
With a laser printer, the HP LJ 4200 driver is pretty much universal (have only seem a very few cases where it didn't work)
Maybe a regional market quality thing, but mine fucked up it's cartridge pretty soon and has a long procedure of changing them, not plug and print like in older models. Sometimes it happens. Jusging by youtube videos it seems some models are just rare unlucky picks.
Got a basic brother laser printer from walmart for $100 a few years ago. The toner reset sequence actually works! only problem is the wifi died 6 months ago but it still prints great!
I've had a brother laser printer for 8 years now. Recently my wife was asked "can we get a color printer" and I said but we have at least 5+ years of toner left in this thing!
Probably I'm the only Linux user that can't connect to my office printer over the net I guess... But I can't connect to our HP one either, so there's that
Ooh, nice. Mine was $100 (on sale) eleven years ago. Still, $100 + two reams of paper have covered my printing needs for over a decade. Can't complain.
brother certainly has a good reputation, but i've been using an epson ecotank for a couple years now.
once the 18000 page self-brick counter goes off, i'll try to reset it. if that doesn't work, i'll definetely try getting a brother laser printer. i print B&W most of the time anyways.
I have a Brother but I think I must have bought a lemon. It prints SO SLOWLY (like it takes long pauses after every page). And it constantly loses connection with our devices. :(
Canons are probably the best consumer grade, but you'll save money in the long run by just buying an Ink Tank printer instead. Just make sure you do regular maintenance so it doesn't explode ink out the bottom, used to be a big issue in the 90s.
I've never had a cartridge dry out but if you're not printing a variety of things from glossy photographs to courtroom documents then you should probably just get the cheapest per-use option like a brother laser printer, yeah. The canon cleans its own printheads automatically, idk how common that is.
A simple black/white laser printer for documents and more importantly, shipping labels. It would be annoying for anything that you're returning to have to print out the packing slip and label at the local shop. Then anything that you actually need color or quality printing, just send it out to get printed at the local shop.
It's also annoying to buy expensive ink, debug printer issues and have the printer take up space in your home. Guess it's a matter of what annoys you more
i our household it definetely is. selling stuff on ebay or returning packages is most of what we use it for, and 200-300€ plus 10-20€ in ink bottles every year or so will eventually be cheaper too.
not saying you have to buy one for yourself, it's just worth the money for many people.
That's just what HP wants you to think. Think about, you only really need half a page at any one time. They're just up charging you so they can sell more printer!
Because we live in the real world where you still need to physically print, sign, and return things. Lol, sucks, but that is life.
It's not often, and when the need arises, it's usually important, so a laser printer is there when you need it and works without fuss (or having the ink dry up during long periods of dormancy)
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