Trump Backs Israel Bombarding Gaza: 'Gotta Finish the Problem'

Looking forward to what the Republicans cosplaying as leftists use instead of "genocide Joe" now that Donald is calling for a final solution.

Plus the fact that Biden is definitively anti Ukrainian genocide, and Trump would not only pull US support of Ukraine, he would actively try to discourage NATO

I mean, Biden absolutely is wishy washy.

But he also reversed Trump's policy of saying West Bank settlement is legal, and sanctioned violent Israeli settlers.

Obviously Gaza's really bad, but what's happened and happening in the West Bank is also arguably ethnic cleansing. Chasing Palestinians off their land. Trump's a fan.

Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide.

If these are the only options that our system offers us, then why shouldn't we demand our system be replaced?

Democrats are inadequate, Republicans are worse. If this is the only choice available within the United States, then why do we citizens allow the United States to continue?

United States’ wishy-washy policies on Palestinians

Wishy-washy policies is my favorite way to say "apartheid ethnostate"

I have a strict "no genocide" policy. Candidates that promote, endorse, allow, or sit idly by and let others do genocide are gonna be a no go from me.

It's not going to change unless we make demands.

You're may be right. I assume most of them are 'useful idiots'.

They realised western media were often biased, so they switched to 'critical' media, spent more and more time in internet bubbles, and ended up uncritically parroting Russian, Chinese or Iranian propaganda instead.

Same thing happened after 9/11 and Iraq. A lot of people were angry about how biased CNN was, so they switched to channels like Russia Today because it was critical of the US and did genuinely have a lot of good journalism. Of course, that doesn't mean Russia Today isn't propaganda. A lot of these people are forever lost, I don't think you can deprogram them.

Also if people use a lot of slogans like "cultural marxism", "Fuck Brandon" or "genocide Joe", without being able to articulate a nuanced position, it's likely they've succumb to newspeak. Newspeak uses an impoverished and simplified vocabulary, to prevent people from critical thinking.

The salient point is that Trump is endorsing a pogrom.

Your takeaway from a story about a former President of the United States of America endorsing ethnic cleansing, is that a backhanded shot should be taken at the other party?

It feels like shit but whatever plan you have isn't gonna change it

Holding us hostage by... progressive voters choosing not to show up in the primaries.

Admittedly, bitching online is much easier and doesn't involve leaving the house but still...

It feels like shit honestly. Maybe if more liberals/progressives voted...

Must be amazing to think that there's a giant majority of Socialists in America and the only thing holding them back is the DNC.

It is amazing that some people think that Biden can snap his fingers and Israel jumps to attention. Israel is a country that attacked the USS Liberty! Biden didn't start the conflict. People on both sides have died. You can't stop trains, super tankers of countries on a dime. It would be nice, however if folks would actually try to understand what is being done and why. Hint: you won't find in in the MSM or from Putin's trolls. Then again, mindless online bitching is so much easier.

Amazing? I just feel helpless.

30,000 people are dead. Daily death tolls have fallen by 20% per month since the beginning of the war.

How are you getting to 2,300,000 within ten months?

Can you show your work?

The only hope for Gaza is for Biden to change course and use his significant leverage to convince Bibi to end the blockade.

Five months and almost 31,000 Palestinian deaths later, he's still just wagging his finger and sending even more arms to Israel.

We might as well just wait for the Pope to shit in the woods.

Edit: Here's the most likely reason for the downvotes.

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I mean I was personally waiting for Trump to say the obvious and finish the punchline for the last couple weeks honestly.

Nope that's what he has said and has been saying. Are you trolling or just ignorant?

It’s not purely symbolic. The bigger candidates often start to address policy positions represented by smaller candidates who get enough votes in the primaries as a way to sway those voters in the general election.

Yeah, in the primary all options are valid to vote for, even if it's just symbolic. That still shows where people stand. However, in the general you pick who you need to pick in order to get the best outcome. You don't get to vote for symbolism then, at least if you're a rational person and not just doing something out of an emotional attempt to feel better than other people. It sucks, but that's how the system functions for now at least. Acting morally superior doesn't do anything except allow the morally corrupt to get their way.

Gabriel Cornejo Identified the leading problem in the country and hired the smartest person in the world to fix it.

Agreed and I did the same yesterday. Will vote for Biden in the end, but I registered my complaint. As best I can tell, his tone shifted after Michigan so we'll see if there is more change on the horizon.

There are primaries for Dems? I thought Biden was automatically the candidate as current POTUS.

More than fine!

Everyone knows the Weimar Republic was funding a genocide before they elected Hitler. It’s in the history books, page 420. /s

It's a good thing that the only responsibility of a US president is deciding what to do about Israel.

If they were the only person able to veto something like a national abortion ban, or legislation criminalizing trans people, it would really mess with your calculus.

Politicians cater to the people who vote. If Democrats lose this November and there is an election 2028 they are going to look at the people who voted in 2024 and 2026 and try to get those people's votes. If progressives don't vote in the general election this year Democrats won't waste time on them and will instead focus on conservative voters. Not voting will drive the Democratic party further to the right.

Withholding our votes doesn't lead to better election outcomes. Voting should be a simple mechanical choice to pick the lesser evil. If people want better candidates then they need to do the work between elections. Refusing to vote and trying to lower voter turnout sets us back. Losing in 2024 will mean America becomes a fascist dictatorship. There is no value in letting the Republicans win.

I am a leftist and the democratic party is no friend of mine. That said:

1. I have lost a portion of my bodily autonomy due to republican policies. People I know have avoided getting reproductive care due to draconian republican laws in my state, and lack of control of medical records. Electing a republican will further erode rights for 50% of the nation. Yes, I am talking about women's reproductive health.

2. Republicans are erroding the safety and rights of LGBTQ+ people, in my state and elsewhere. I cannot abide a future where they are able to do this federally.

3. Republicans are directly attacking our electoral processes and our partisan supreme court refuses to engage in a timely matter. A bush/gore sort of election issue will send our nation into chaos, or direct civil war. You wish us to imagine a future in which trump wins and there is a 2028 election. I can't imagine a future where a republican government respects democracy that would allow for a possibility for a democratic (let alone an actual left party) candidate to win. The republican party is no longer a neolib party, they are a party of fascists up for sale to the highest bidder.

4. Trump will not just merely support Israel's genocide. The middle east becomes more and more volatile each day. Remember: Trump had an Iranian general assassinated. I think it's quite likely we will be dragged into a horrible, hellish war. No heroes, no winners, just unimaginable carnage and human suffering.

5. If anyone attempts to engage me with accelerationist rhetoric, know that I will ignore you. I refuse to engage with anyone who believes that an increase in violence is somehow beneficial. You have no idea what you're asking for, and a glorious leftist revolution is not a possible outcome here.

In your scenario there would be no Gaza to save in 2028.

False premise.

If Trump wins in 2024 there won’t be a 2028 election, or at least a not a real one.

Look up Project 2025. There will not be a 2028 election if Trump wins 2024. One Day Dictator Donnie won't stop at one day.

Project 2025. Downvote me. Shit on my very existence. But read what is planned.

You sound like a whiny liberal.

New here?

I think you make a great point, but I would add a caveat. There IS a difference between Biden and trump. One will listen to protesters, and the other won't. You can pressure Biden and he will change his position because he seems to care what voters think, and Trump doesn't.

Now, Biden has started sending aid to Gaza

But he hasn't stopped sending weapons to Israel

this is entirely because 100K voters in Michigan voted uncommitted

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.

To be clear, I have no problem with people in Michigan voting uncommitted, I just don't think you can draw that line.

Wouldn't it make more sense to move to a swing state and try to tip it blue?

Edit: tip it blue

Unless I'm getting wooshed on sarcasm.... you realize Israel is full of the descendants of the Jewish people Hitler displaced, right?

Well, you’re implying that you might vote for someone other than Biden in the general, and the impact of that is that Trump will become president and the impact of that is Israel will have a free pass from US leadership to completely annihilate Gaza and kill with impunity. So, in terms of actually achieving the goal of stopping the killing of Palestinians, voting uncommitted is not going to work. Additionally, by promoting voting uncommitted and making it a purity test, some people will be influenced by that and ACTUALLY not vote for Biden and this will be the same thing as voting for Trump in that the result of Trump winning will be the same.

Sure, but how many people are casting uncommitted or seeing how unpopular Biden is and are going to stay home in November because of it? My guess is not zero.

I get the protest and the timing, but it’s unclear if it’s really inoffensive in the general.

Oh I don't doubt that the "uncommited" oppose Trump, too. The problem is the Genocide Joe rhetoric and other similar bullshit. You push that narrative and it may very well have lingering effects in Trump's favor during the general election. Maybe in other elections it didnt matter quite as much, but this is Trump were talking about. Why do you and others like you not get that? Hello, knock, knock. Trump is fully embracing the Hitler playbook and aiming to be president of the Most Powerful Nation on Earth. And you want to bitch about Biden? At this moment...? SMH, it is your sort of fractious indiscipline and short-sightedness that allows fascism to gain power, laughing all the way at your stupidity and inability to mount a coherent defence of democracy. You think you have nothing to lose, but you do. Things can get much, much worse.

Well, you’re implying that you might vote for someone other than Biden in the general, and the impact of that is that Trump will become president and the impact of that is Israel will have a free pass from US leadership to completely annihilate Gaza and kill with impunity. So, in terms of actually achieving the goal of stopping the killing of Palestinians, voting uncommitted is not going to work.

Additionally, and I think this is IMPORTANT, by promoting voting uncommitted and making it a purity test, some people will be influenced by that and ACTUALLY not vote for Biden and this will be the same thing as voting for Trump in that the result of Trump winning will be the same.

You're like those dudes who post anonymously things like "I'm totally 100% straight but occasionally I like sucking a dick"

Your purity test here makes you equivalent to a Trump supporter in that your actions of not supporting Biden will result in Trump winning the election.

As is clear from this article, Trump will “finish the job” in Gaza. You think it’s bad now? Wait until Israel is encouraged to completely seize Gaza and kill with even more impunity by Trump. So, your purity test for Biden will actually result in a worse outcome than you’re trying to achieve. You’re actually going to be causing a worse situation to unfold — one that is the opposite of what you want. You may say it’s justified because you needed to stand by your morals, but I don’t think that will matter to the Palestinians dying because you chose not to support Biden and by doing so, elected Trump.

I beg you to reconsider your position. Biden won by only a few hundred thousand votes in swing states. Your not supporting Biden and encouraging others not to as well could depress turn out and result in a very unfortunate situation. This may be the last election we ever have in America.

Thankfully we’ve had four more years to get more people armed. A lot of us are no longer unable to defend ourselves and our communities.

Ummm. They would be dead. They constructed gallows outside the capital on Jan 6th to hang Mike Pence. What makes you think any democrats would have survived to even see the Gaza war?

I'm not a Democrat, but I would be at war. If having a right to vote is the hill I die on so be it.

Israel is not the only problem in that area, mind you. Just wanting them to stop what they're currently doing fixes nothing in the large picture.

Hamas deciding to surrender and Palestine somehow waking up seems like the best option, but I don't see how that could happen. And Israel's actions are not helping that of course.

Anytime someone goes to name calling I assume they are a bad actor. We can have a serious discussion on the matter without devolving into name calling so I just assume they are trying to sew discord more than anything else.

It’s at least in part Russian propaganda.

But you'll use that as the excuse every time someone says they won't be voting for Biden right?

The problem you run into with this excuse is regardless of where the ideas are coming from or who is amplifying them you and many others are clearly concerned about the upcoming election. Biden won the 2020 general election so that means you're worried there are people who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and won't vote for him in 2024. If they're leftists or progressives that means staying home, voting 3rd party or writing in.

So here's a crazy idea: find a compromise. Leftists and progressives have raised multiple reasons they are frustrated or even angry at Biden. Why not yield to some of those objections? Frankly, the fact that discussions about giving progressive and leftist voters what they want in order to gain votes get so heavily down voted feels like the real PsyOP. Especially when the people downvoting simultaneously talk about the wonders of democracy and compromise. Here's just a few ideas Biden could do today:

1. Biden has been providing Israel weapons without congressional approval. That means he could stop. Today. Do that.
2. Biden blocked the rail strike by forcing a contract unions had voted against down their throat. That contract expires at the end of this year meaning they could strike again in 2025. Biden could promise to veto any attempts to block a rail strike in his next term.
3. Biden forced federal workers back to the office. He could reverse that.
4. Biden could publicly shame Powell and Yellen for attacking American worker wages.

It's hard to take people seriously when they talk about how important democracy is but sneer at the very idea of sacrificing any policy positions in order to court voters sitting to the left of Biden.

Its at least in part Russian propaganda. They don’t want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all

you're making this up

Genocide Joe needs to be held accountable for sending weapons to a country engaged in genocide. That's not propaganda, that's international law.

They may not be, but they have children and grandchildren they could teach the dangers of Nazis.

I think it's supposed to be vague enough that they can tell "moderates" it means "finish the conflict" but the MAGAs understand it as "final solution."

The quote is "You have to finish the problem,". English is inexact but it seems clear to my reading that Trump means exterminating Palestinians or at least Hamas.

What a uniquely disturbing inability to have any awareness of context whatsoever!

Are you actually incapable of reading things as they're written and just see words and react, or do you actually know what they're saying and are just trolling? The issue they were very obviously addressing is that many people are acting as though Trump is somehow a better option because Biden supports Israel, so the question now becomes how will these people respond when they see that Trump (obviously) also supports what Israel is doing. I find it very difficult to believe that you don't know that, but if you somehow don't, how do you get around the world with such a limited capacity for extracting meaning the things people say?

Dumb

Using the G word for the situation = instant disqualification from any serious discussion.

I mean I would think so too, but they are running the oldest candidate with the lowest approval rating against a deeply unpopular candidate, and losing quite handedly in the polls.

So I don't actually think they know what they are doing.

If Biden loses, save this comment as we will be getting a lot of books from staffers full of texts worried about this very thing.

Nope, it was a complete waste of time that turned easily affected and even derpier uncommitted to never vote. Shooting themselves in the foot is nothing to be proud of.

Snore...