Why do all the new TVs expect me to have a platform AS WIDE as the fucking thing?? Fucking shit!! God awful absolutely dumb thoughtless design choice
Why do all the new TVs expect me to have a platform AS WIDE as the fucking thing?? Fucking shit!! God awful absolutely dumb thoughtless design choice
luckily this is just a 32; i had a 70 from the same brand with the same INSANELY FUCKING STUPID STAND DESIGN that i had to find something for....literally at the most extreme edges of the thing, what the fuck is this? this is so fucking stupid, it cannot be meaningfully cheaper than a proper design and it looks fucking dumb as hell and surely this has pissed off 90% of people that wanted a TV and want to put it on a little stand like a normal fucking person right??
Centre stands need to be way more sturdy to hold it up. You can buy aftermarket VESA centre stands though if you can't wall mount it.
This right here.
The TV comes with the cheapest removable feet, because VESA mounts exist.
And considering the cost and relative light weight, are more or less a requirement
Exactly. I think an aftermarket VESA mount is pretty much required these days for modern TVs, that's the bad news. The good news is that there are plenty of options (center base, wall, swivel, etc), some very affordable, and they should last for multiple TV generations (check VESA pattern, weight limits).
But I get that these tiny, wide feet can be mind boggling at first, since TVs all used to have center stands for decades. Finally, TVs got too large, the cost savings and stability from two tiny feet won out over the alternative of the large, heavy single center base.
The wider the TV gets, the more stable a two-feet-at-the-ends design becomes compared to a single central foot.
Plus if you need anything else, VESA mounts are super-standard and you just get whatever you need then use it on every Tv you buy.
For those that live in apartments, there are VESA stands that mount to the back of your furniture, and others that use a clamp for tables, so you don’t have to put holes in your walls. I use one on my desk for a fairly wide monitor.
If you’re unfamiliar with VESA mounts, just take note of which of the two standards your device uses. These are going to be either 75x75mm or 100x100mm. Verify with a ruler, don’t rely on the literature to be accurate.
If you wanna be mega-bougie about it, you can get just the mounting plate, and there is couple hardware available to pair it with aluminum extrusion, if you really like that 2040/2080 extrusion.
I wish higher end TVs had the option to buy without the stand. They always have beefy center stands in the box even though everyone mounts high end TVs.
Now I'm just stuck with a 50lbs stand that I have no use for.
The G series of LG TVs comes with a flush wall mount kit and no stand at all.
Op didn't check the specs on the item he bought and is upset it's not perfectly tailored to his individual tastes.
You love to see it.
Show me the affordable TV made in the last 5 years that doesn't require a stand at least 90% as wide as the TV is
Don't say it's for stability, you could move the feet to be 1/3 of the way in and it'll be exactly as stable because it isn't tipping over sideways. Don't say it's for a sound bar, this is a TCL, that's the cheapest "I'm looking for a new TV but make minimum wage" brand you can find
Putting a giant TV on a tiny stand is not normal.. Be mildly infuriated at yourself, not the manufacturer
Yep, the included feet are just something you might be able to use until you get a real mount.
If you really want the TV to stand on furniture, buy a proper vesa mounted stand (they can be very cheap) and maybe even a proper TV table.
That stand doesn't seem tiny to me
That's just an end table by the looks of it. OP said it's only a 32 inch TV. Hell they even provided a cat for scale.
It's too small for that tv
OP blaming their shitty decisions on others. Why are you buying something without knowing its dimensions?
Fuck I hate people like this. The answer btw is pretty obvious. From a weight distribution perspective it's easiest to have two feet as wide apart as possible.
Most TV's don't list the width on the feet on the packaging do they?
I looked up the shittiest TV brand available at my local electronics store and yeah, they do list the width with and without stands.
And if you plan on putting your TV on a table that is way too small, then I'd double check where the stands sit exactly, because it's not a design problem but a you problem.
People need to stop blaming their shitty planning on "bad design". It's the most common sense design that will work in most cases.
Next you'll have the guy who puts their TV on two separate chairs complain about the bad design of TV's that only have a single stand in the middle ffs.
I have the same TV and built a custom stand for it. Doesn't change the fact that the included stand is a bad design.
I disagree that it is bad design. It's cheap and I also find it ugly, but it does get the job done just fine.
well good thing they're a professional company with professional engineers, glad they're taking the easy route
i bought it because i was at the store and thought 'damn a bedroom tv would be nice' and it was black friday. it's only 32" i hope it fits on the table, and if not i can rig something up, but either way, god fucking dammit these new legs are terrible design because now i have to think about this instead of them just having a damn stand in the center like everyone used to
was sort of what i was thinking
So take it back? If you put it back in the packaging and said "hey, this doesn't fit where I want it", they should take it back. I've never dealt with a store that wouldn't.
I could see this if you ordered it online, sight unseen. Like, if the website were text-based and had no pictures and the description was "It's a TV". But you were at a physical store...
$18 on Amazon, more adjustable than any stand that could possibly be included in the box:
https://www.amazon.com/Articulating-Extension-Rotation-200x200mm-Pipishell/dp/B07SHFPD8S
Then you should stop thinking
To be honest they think that people plan ahead for something like this..
And not have the TV hanging out in space to be knocked over.
cat
How do you not do research on the dimensions of anything before buying something big like a TV?
Mate I'll have done a 3D reconstruction of the room accurate to the mm to test everything out. I'm only slightly exaggerating, I literally did exactly that when planning my new office/studio, had the room in 3D long before we got the house, built everything myself, custom desk, acoustic treatment, etc.
So many people attacking OP and perhaps not remembering there was a time when nearly all flat panel TVs came on a pedestal mount. The designs were largely changed to mitigate claims and liability.
On the other hand, if you buy something, check what you're buying. Don't complain if you don't even know what you're buying.
Maybe the higher end TVs publish the feet width on the box, but the one I got a few years ago sure didn't. It was actually really frustrating to find that info for any of the TVs I was looking at at the time.
Even looking at a modern budget TV from Amazon, it doesn't say anything about the width of the legs on the product page. https://www.amazon.com/amazon-fire-tv-50-inch-4-series-4k-smart-tv/dp/B0B3GTSQ9Q/
I found what I believe to be a very similar (if not the same) TV that OP has, and it also doesn't have the specs listed on the Bestbuy website. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-43-class-s4-s-class-4k-uhd-hdr-led-smart-tv-with-google-tv/6538141.p?skuId=6538141
Pedestal mounts suck. Too wobbly.
One large source of liability also sitting on the desk in that picture, in fact.
Nobody tell him about what TV makers expected of you when they were all CRTs…
Build a whole wall around it
Build a whole
wallhouse around it
They don't expect you to have a stand at all. They expect you to buy a separate wall mount piece and mount it directly on the wall.
they expect you to know the lengh of your own table that's why they put the lengh on the site, also, the legs are already short, how OP expext the TV to be stable with it even shorter??
You can make a stable mount without legs as wide as the TV. I have two 27in, 1440p monitors, which both came with stands that were probably 30% as wide as the monitors themselves. However, the stands were weighted and primarily steel (I'm assuming it was steel anyway) with a plastic shell. A TV doesn't need a wide base unless the company that made it is cheaping out and refuses to spend the money to make a weighted base.
The true reason is cost, those stands that are included nowadays are insanely cheap and flimsy. If you're buying a large TV, you should budget $30-$50 for a VESA mount.
Yep, that's what I figured happened when they went from proper swivel pedestals to those stupid wedges. Hell even computer monitors are joining in on the action, the number of brand new, fairly high end and expensive monitors whose stock base is just bolted to the back and have zero adjustments is ridiculous.
I got a VESA stand for my grandparents TV for 15 bucks. Solid steel and sturdy as fuck.
Yep, and the manufacturer can't even be bothered to spend that much more money to include a high quality stand with a thousand dollar TV with already high profit margins. Somehow, having to throw the default OEM parts in a landfill because they're intentionally low quality and barely usable and being forced to buy a passable replacement separately is just a thing that they expect us to do now. Capitalism innovates y'all!
I think the fucking stupid part of this post is the OP buying a TV oversized for the space they want it on.
I guarantee you the box and everything else also showed the legs being on the side.
Pretty sure when I got my tv there was info on the box about how large of a surface it needs to stand on. OP made a big purchase without doing any planning or research and now they're whining that something isn't right 🙄
OP never bothered to research their purchase properly to buy a TV with a centre stand...
I can't help you but I love this post.
Because you bought a really cheap TV and the little feet on the sides are cheaper than a center stand that needs to be much heavier and sturdier.
Yeah that's one of those companies that buy bulk cheap TVs to slap their logo on and make out they're a tech company... Looking at you Kogan.
No one has seemed to mention the rise of sound bars. Center stands block sound bars and so so many people are using them now.
That's because TV's no longer come with decent audio because they are made as thin as possible for whatever reason.
Bought a new OLED from LG last year. Main body is 3-4 inches thick and the sound is bloody incredible. There are still some gems out there
Flat Panel TV were always meant to use with a sound system. It is only meant to display video. The belief has always been they are for higher end viewing. And it's impossible to get good sound out of a audio in a chassis that thin, that is why sound bars exist. Ask anyone who knows home theaters and they will tell you more than 50% of the experience is the audio. You're better off spending money on a good audio system and even going with a smaller screen if dealing with budget constraints for the best experience. They make them as thin as possible because people want that.
Yeah they rely on the sound bouncing back from the wall which is why some TVs have the speakers on the back
Stand measurements are right on the box! They expect you to read them. 🤣
I have that same TV (50"). They know what they're doing
- The TV is so flimsy, I don't trust it with a narrower stand.
- Making a stand like this means the TVs can have the same stand parts for all sizes.
Cat
Op clearly saying something about the cat but can't concentrate because cat
Same energy
Hahahaha what do you mean? This has to be satire. Nobody is that dense right? If it doesn't fit, don't buy it lmao.
Is it that hard to read the post? OP is right, almost every TV on the market has the same cheap, shitty plastic feet, and they're spaced as far apart as possible so you're unnecessarily size-limited when trying to buy something like a bedroom TV to sit on top of bookshelves or a tallboy.
I'd like something more than 32" for my bedroom too, but I can find one new 40-42" TV on the market with a central stand now, and it is some obscenely expensive 4K OLED thing from Sony. I am keeping an eye out for older, pre-owned TVs as a result, but am yet to find any good deals.
Central stands are just not that safe on bigger screens. Sadly, the easy way is to place feet on each side of the screen. One could always go for a wall mount.
If you don't like a product, don't buy it and if you know that every product has this design, then it's hardly a surprise when you unbox it at home.
This posts seems like OP didn't check if the TV would fit before buying and now they're angry at themselves.
You'd be first in line bitching that your TV fell over if they moved them in 6". Wall mounts are $18.... buy one
I'm going to second this. I usually use wall mounts for my TVs and let me tell you, once it's dialed in... Chefs kiss
The problem is getting the right mount with the right support for the TV you have. You can't use a super cheap support for a super big TV, the adjustments won't work correctly and it might fall off the wall.
Once you find one strong enough for your TV and determine how high/where you want it on the wall, the next task is simply finding something to mount to. My favorite method is to combine a few ways of securing the mount. I find the studs and put a solid wood project board over top of where I want the TV to mount, and screw the board into the studs. I then place the mount and trace out where it needs to be screwed in, I then go through the board, and the drywall/plaster with a drill and put in toggle bolts that sandwich from the mounting plate, through the backer board, into the drywall. It's massive overkill to do it this way. Once that mounting plate is secured, it's definitely not going anywhere with all of that extra support.
The basic concept I'm thinking of with this is that the backing board will spread out the load from the bracket being weighed down by the TV (the rotational/twisting force). This keeps the main pressure going straight down the wall.
Once the TV is hung and adjusted, it has no risk of being knocked over by your cat, it's off of any surface, so you don't need to sacrifice table space to support it, and in all likelihood, you won't touch it again, apart from the occasional cleaning.
IMO, the only down side to mounting the TV to the wall is that you can't easily plug a new device into it. It's always a struggle to shove your face between the TV and the wall to try to see where the stupid connector is and plug it in.
At least you have a cat to hold it up
The cat's for scale.
If the TV is VESA compatible, there are tons of third-party stand options.
Two tiny legs are cheaper than a large flipped “T” base for it to rest on.
All of you saying you need center stands don’t realize how much heavier the stand needs to be for safety. For cheap TVs, you will get wide stands for freight reasons. They usually come with mounting mechanisms where you can get your own stand that will cost more than the TV itself.
Common sense people. If these shipped with center stands the cost would be double and you’d be complaining about how there’s no TV deals anymore.
You're clearly in the pocket of Big TV Stand.
They're expecting you to have a mount for your wall, already installed, even, from the last TV. So the legs are an afterthought, they're cheap, easy to remove and you'll probably toss them, they know. So they're enough to use for store display, no more.
Some rental places don't allow you to mess with walls and it would require repainting if you move.
So not always an option.
There are furniture based mounts and standalone vesa stands
Buying a paint can and some spackle isn't expensive enough to prevent me from drilling into the walls (unless you've got popcorn walls or something and that's just foul). I have done it
itin several rentals and got my deposit back in full. The otherportionoption though in this instance is to buy a VESA mount. Some of which can even just be mounted to the tv stand.But also, people should do research before they buy things.
I bought a center stand at Walmart, that mounts to the wall mount spot on the back of the TV. "Onn" brand for $18.
Works, but I do understand your frustration.
Because it is genuinely is way cheaper to include 4x 4" plastic legs, than a steel center stand capable of withstanding the torque.
For people who wall mount and for those with wide tv stands these work fine and save probably $30 / TV, and produce less overall waste.
There's nobody but yourself to blame in this one lmao
I don’t understand why most of the commenters are against you, i find the change from center stands to edge stands annoying. Especially since it seems difficult find smaller TVs nowadays
Pepperidge Farm remembers when TVs didn't even come with a "stand". It was just a big box with no real "mounting" options.
I can still remember the sound my back made when I picked up my first 32" TV.
Shudda been liftin with yer legs there, buddy
The way to lift well is using your back completely and then twisting it.
I used to fear what would happen if I dropped one of the older TV's on my foot. It was a pretty great motivator to not drop it, and to try to fall towards it if I fell. Sometimes it even took two people to move them because they were heavy and awkward.
We have definitely advanced in making them more moveable, and I'm happy about that. I don't miss throwing out my back.
I do miss the screen static though.
You should be mounting in on the wall anyway. Unless you want your cat to tip it over, that is.
Ah yes the installed mount in my....apartment I rent and cannot install things into
Pretty much every landlord in the world will let you hang things on the wall, so long as it's not unreasonably destructive. They're pretty much planning on doing a little spackle and painting the place when any tenant moves out anyway.
A tv mount usually only requires 4-6 screw holes, which wouldn't be hard to fix later on.
There are loads of solutions to that, don't be lazy
No you should get a proper stand that mounts to the TV
It's way cheaper to produce such stands (they can be way less sturdy).
Also stop wide-shaming your perfectly nice 32" cat.
Sketchy fast math says a 32" TV will be roughly 30" wide .... Feet appear to be 3" in on each side which would put them at 24" on center... What kind of umpa lumpa ass table do you have? If that is your only option you can get a treated 8' decking board for like $8, have Lowe's cut it in half and throw it on top of the table to extend it.
I don't have anything to say about the TV sitch but your cat is pretty.
I actually just bought a Sansui TV that almost wouldn't have fit the desk but it had 2 sets of places where the legs could be attached, so I just attached them to the inner ones. Welcome change. Not sure how uncommon it is since I've only owned like 5 TVs and most just had the little circular base in the middle instead.
The legs being so far out is maybe since manufactures found it to be the most stable places for the skinny leg designs they use now. So yeah, cost cutting measure probably.
I measure the shit out of everything before I even go out to buy a TV. Having this feet design simply would have meant that either I wouldn’t have bought this televisi, or I already intend to replace the table.
cat is build better. cat can stand good.
You can break a TV by knocking it off a table, you can't break a cat that way. Therefore cats are better designed than TVs.
Did you not see the foot in the store showmodel?
A lot of show models in stores are wall mounted these days, saves on space (especially at places like Walmart and Target where they sell smaller sizes). That's being said, though, it doesn't take much to look under a wall-mounted TV to figure it where the foot(s) go.
Even then just a piece of wood cut to size to lay on top wouldn’t hurt. Table looks scratched up pretty bad as it is anyways so it’s not like appearance is your game here.
almost all advice i see given in lemmy has at least a minor insult and i gotta say I'm here for it
Lmao u didn't have to go this hard
give your cat some scritches for me :)
Your orange cat is still trying to process your anger.
I imagine him muttering to himself "tsk tsk tsk ...I knew you should have measured it like I told you...tsk tsk tsk"
Did you measure the table before buying the TV?
There are many thoughtless, idiotic design choices today, for example curved edge phone screens, shitty ultrasonic/photo fingerprint sensors in the scren, no jack connector, microsim, etc. I call it engineer idiotism.
That and the endless pressure to innovate means they end up suggesting stupid shit no one wants and have the sales folks work that out
And that doesn't apply here. The feet are out wide for stability, keep weight down, cost, and leave room for a sound bar.
Kitty is probably over in !cats being like “mildly infuriating…. Human is ignoring me for a flimsy idiot box…. And it’s meal time!”
Nah, it's orange, so it's probably not thinking at all.
Lasagne
that's so rude. you realize, of course, that orange cats only have one brain cell each, it looks like it's shared because that cell is quantum entangled with every other orange brain cell. So it's not that the one cell gets passed around, rather its that all orange cats are thinking the same thought at the same time.
and it's usually "i'm hungry."
Sadly nowadays the stands that come in a box should just be used temporarily tool you get a more permanent solution. You can get done really good mounts that use the VESA mounts at the back.
I would never trust the standard stands, they have way too much wobble to them.
Cat: Did you get the accidental coverage Dad? Purrrrr Purrrrr (rubs scent from face on tv) Purr Purr CRASH MRERRRREREOW!!!!!
The cat is not impressed, yeah.
Very difficult to sleep on.
I believe the OP might be the cat. The cat has a complaining pose.
I mean two little hunks of plastic are most definitely cheaper than something big and sturdy in the middle as it needs to be over engineered to make up for the lack of physics being on its side. You can buy an aftermarket TV stand or wall mount it.
With how cheap, and ubiquitous VESA mounts are - it doesn't make sense to expense $20/TV for a metal stand that everyone is going to throw out.
The two pieces of plastic don't need to be right at the ends though, a third of the way in would probably be perfectly fine
They put them so far apart so you can put a sound bar underneath. If it weren't this way someone else would be complaining here that their new Black Friday soundbar doesn't fit under there TV.
I agree. The tipping threat on a TV is almost exclusively front to back, not side to side. Putting the support legs closer to the middle, but still spaced a third of the width of the TV should be totally adequate. I suspect it's an aesthetics thing now.
I suspect it's a soundbar compatibility thing
Good point!
I'm curious what picture you saw that made you think the legs would be any different.
I've seen the design and I thought it made good sense mechanically, but I hadn't considered this issue. I wonder if stand designs are getting wider too, as a result.
"your in my spot" - cat
My in your spot
Our cat in spot
Lmao op you are truly a moron
They think everyone wants to mount them to the wall now, the legs are like the cheapest possible "courtesy" they're willing to include. It's super annoying, I really don't want the thing on my wall with a bunch of wires hanging down
I'd actually love to wall mount but as a renter, not possible.
Currently living with elderly family and she also won't have a bar of a wall mount.
That sounds illegal. A rental can't really stop you from installing certain safety features. But if I read that right you're renting from and living with an elderly couple and they have refused like a shower bar or similar. If they themselves refuse the safety feature that would be installed for them that's... Legal I guess.
....you can't hang anything in your wall?
Cut a hole behind the TV and another where you want the wires to come out, then fish the wires through the wall. Finish off the holes with cable access brush plates like this:
(Either that, or use keystone jacks and separate cables of the appropriate type within the wall.)
why are all of the 48" tv screens bigger than my 32" bedside table?
that's why i like the lg stand
Part of the reason I went with a smaller (ha, 55 inch is ”smaller") lg OLED because it had one central base stand, opposed to the larger 65 in OLED that didn't have just one central stand.
Have you tried moving it an inch to the left?
😅 I kid.
You can buy a vesa stand mount though fairly cheap.
Sony currently do a cool thing with their stands where you can place them in 3 or so different position along the tv if you wanted. Finally someone thinking!
How dare the tv manufacturers and homesense not discuss each other the exact width of possibility you would purchase both products.
People really out here at stupid levels of angry now, eh?
This community is about mildly infuriating: The little stuff that triggers us.
And just like reddit lemmy up votes the crap out of the stupidity.
:(
I upvoted you and now I'm confused.
DON'T BE FOOLED! This post was made by the cat! It wants narrower TV stands so it can knock them over easier when its owner forgets to feed it!
If feet at the edge of the tv (done for stability) is a stupid design, what would you do differently?
Feet spaced half as far apart. Basically as stable, only a quarter of the length hangs over past the feet on each side.
Because the TV is exactly the same width.
Hey OP, Wallmount it , will take 15mins and $20.
That may not be an option if you're renting, as many people are.
I don't get this mentality. I've rented for over a decade and always wall mounted my TVs. It's not tricky to unmount and fill in 6 or 8 holes with a bit of filler.
Do some renters really not hang pictures or put up shelves either? The effort to correct it is probably less work than it is to hang in the first place.
Damn, this is some next level entitled, petulant, energy.
If you're gonna complain, at least try to do it constructively. As opposed to... Whatever this drivel is.
Cute cat.
you bought a cheap TV on black Friday, what did you expect?
Just got my first TV since my old vacuum tube stopped working in the early 90s. 55" Sony flat screen. It has gour fixtures for its stands: a pair that's narrow close to the centre, and a pair if you want a wide stance. I didn't mind the wide option, but I appreciated having a choice.
My 2008 Samsung had a great center stand. My new TCL has those little feet. Solution is spend another $30 or so on a center stand.
No idea but cute cat
This is the conspiracy theorist in me, but it feels a little like they intentionally made it that way to sell more mounts.
Don’t buy TCL if you want a nice stand included.
Noticed this trend like a decade ago with LG. They used to have a stand in the middle which was much better design wise.
exactly, thank you. i love everyone blaming me for not reading the box -- i knew it would be this obnoxious, i was hoping the table was slightly wider.
but most importantly, it is OBJECTIVELY awful design! i don't care if it's cheaper for them! i don't understand why everyone has some dumb snarky comment when 10+ years ago every flatscreen had a center mount and everything was fine!
What's cheaper for them allowed it to be cheaper for you...
also the Samsung manual would tell you to use the tv on a platform as deep as it's height???? wtf
That is so in case it falls then it falls onto the TV Stand not a child.
They don't expect you to do that - but too many people went 'I didn't know' right after their baby head caved in because they didn't child proof anything.
Does it have VESA mount?
Most modern tvs have some kind of vesa, so you can just spend the 50 bucks on a mount, like this one.
Came across the same issue when I set up my dads new bedroom telly for him, I bodged it up with a plank on top of the dresser it was sitting on.
I'm confused why there is a cat in this photo
OP is clearly complaining that TVs are as wide as his cat.
Usually, It's to distribute the weight. Cheaper brands won't put the weight in the base needed.my LG oled came with a massive but narrow base. I mounted to the wall with a pull and tilt mount and sold the base on offer up for $50.
Get a board and put it beneath the thing?
That leg design is incredibly ugly as well.
Agree. I’m canvassing for a 65” TV and I need to include the entertainment stand in the budget because it won’t fit on the current one I have for my 43”.
This post sure brought out the ugly in some people...
I had to double check to see if I was on Reddit instead of lemmy. It begins....
I don't know about your TV but that cat rules!!!
They want you to stop being poor and get better furniture if you want a big tv
Y'all expecting too much of OP. Someone who impulse buys a tv on Black Friday isn't smart enough to worry about silly details like physical requirements
It's cheaper to make it that way. Less materials needed.
Get a universal wall mount.
Swap the legs around so they face inward, not out.
May not work
Chill
Everyone's talking about it being stable, but what's the benefit in stability from having the legs a couple of inches off the end compared to having them halfway from the center to the end?
I don't think it would be worse in any way and it would allow the TV's to stand on smaller surfaces
It’s when you one day accidentally bump the table hard and the TV falls on its face. That’s why they are wide—to prevent that.
What's more stable, you with your feet close to each other or you with your feet far apart?
Me with my feet closer to my elbows rather than me with my feet closer to my hands (thinking of T pose)
Mount it on the wall jackass.