Why not? There's been no penalty. No widespread social ostracizing, no legal justice, no political punishment... This is who they are, and enough Americans are okay with that that they don't have to pretend otherwise.
You know what the worst part of this is? This run of western fascism doesn't even have the aesthetics to make it palatable. That "seig heil" was so fucking uncoordinated it made the Australian break dancing lady look like a prima ballerina. Everyone is dressed like they bought clothes from the bargain bin at Ross. The decorations are giving mid-budget state fair.
We're gonna be ethnically cleansed by old, poorly dressed, unatheltic losers 😭
The ADL calling the keffiyeh a symbol for antisemitism while defending Elon "throwing his heart to the audience" solidifies what many progressives have already known about them.
Nah, there's gonna be bodies on both sides if they think they're gonna try any of that shit.
Something the KKK Nazi Russian Mafia lover fucks forgot, they aren't the only ones packing heat.
My biggest fear now, is the Republicans trying to do something so outrageous, that someone of some importance finally fucking snaps. And there's a legitimate coup. Like Military action on Panama or Greenland, that is legitimate civil war sparking stuff.
I think the cheap decorations were on purpose. All that money for his inauguration and he's going to pocket as much as possible. So Tim Cook, Schmuckerburg, and whoever else that donated $1 million EACH to his fund, and they're going to skimp on as much as possible and cut as many corners as possible so he can put that money in the bank. Don't forget there are several cities and organizations that he still hasn't paid for his rallies.
Unless it's set to shoot at anything moving it's going to be pretty shit. And once the targeting is that wide open you just get a tennis ball machine and waste it's ammo.
This isn't a support of fascism, it's a critique on how empty and vapid the new technocratic class is and how that's a reflection of our society in general at this moment.
Calling me a bot for a dark observation when I clearly state I'm one of the people slated to be in line for the ethnic cleansing sure is a choice. But I'll explain my reasoning and give you the good faith you didn't give me.
Art and aesthetics were a big part of Nazi Germany. Many Nazi Party Germans got to look at beautiful works of art and enjoy public works in the Greco-Roman style as they were supporting shipping of Jewish people and minorities to concentration camps. The technocrats this time around haven't even given their supporters that. Instead we get infighting and outrage on social media.
Don't infantilise him. He's not attention-starved, he's a Nazi.
Did everyone forget Trump already did that during his first term????? I am going absolutely insane. We know he will threaten to nuke anyone and everyone. And right now the odds aren't looking good that he won't actually do it. That's my call. Nuclear war. People called me crazy in 2020 when I called Trump a fascist, and my worst predictions will be proven right again because everyone seems to be dead-set on downplaying the actions of these Nazi lunatics and acting surprised when they pull through with a Nazi promise which only emboldens them.
If he did it once, sure could be argued to be accidental, but he did it pretty forcefully, multiple times, and he baaaaarely has plausible deniability that he didn't mean this as a wink wink to the neo-nazis.
"Thank you. My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured, thanks to you." - Elon Musk
Then he did the seig heil salute. Just in case people are still confused, here's Hitler's own words from Mein Kampf on saving civilization.
"All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood." - Hitler
The world would be an objectively better place if someone took this subhuman scum out. Half a fucking trillion dollars and it's still not enough for him. These scumbags always need more and more.
Remember when everyone hated on regular Russian citizens for not forming a rebellious revolution against Putin and assassinating him in his sleep? For not shooting every Russian oligarch and everyone who rubber stamped the invasion of Ukraine? Remember when people called them cowards and “as good as nazis” for being complacent and not getting up and doing something about it?
Where are you keyboard warriors now that the USA needs you?
So people told me I was being an overdramatic dick when I pointed the multiple similarities between the rise of Hitler and Trump and how the Nazis are coming back.
They're back, out and disgustingly proud.
I'll be showing them the footage and awaiting their bullshittery gymnastics. Wonder how they will spin it.
And trump saying elon rigged the ballots in Pennsylvania. Even if it were true it's exactly what I've been saying. We are done with free and fair elections and the sooner you dweeebs stop running to the dems to save you the better off we will be.
Third parties aren’t an answer and will only strengthen republicans. The only possible course is to steer the democrats out of the ditch. Unfortunately they have built a masonry bunker down in there and this will take some doing. We need about 20-30 more young people to do what AOC did and we’ll be getting somewhere.
There are other parties but people are seemingly too scared to vote for them and would prefer things continue down this path to ruin we've been on for the last 40-50 years.
I didn't claim that it was. Trump is signaling his intention, though. He's going to let the liberal media work themselves up about how you cannot rig elections then do just that. Sorry you're so nieve to not understand how this works yet. Good luck to you.
I'm not American, so I'm all words and no action in this case. But yeah, we're all sensing the dread coming from your side of the pond. The tension is so high, you're basically a camel with the biggest amount of straws on it's back that I've ever seen. And there's a new straw every week.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt for 8 years. 8 fucking years. To see their performance during the last election. For me lending them all my support and walking away with nothing to show for it. Trump back in office and the party still coalescing around some of their most inept members after being so badly defeated in every way shape and form. It's pathetic. Also it doesn't matter anymore. Moving forward we should expect elections won't be free or fair. If there is a way out it's not through any available route and a new path will have to be made.
Personally I'm pretty happy with how fucking awkward Elon was while doing it. The whole gif is really cringe.
It's a long way to 2026 folks. We are going to have a lot of Federal Level damage in the next couple of years. Even if Democrats get elected in 2026+ we will have absurd debts to pay and likely be forced to raise taxes and be the bad guy again.
You do know it isn't mandatory to let it happen, right?
Did anyone tell the DNC? Because they're sure as hell ACTING like it is..
Seriously, we do not have to abandon our right to revolution
A couple weeks late now. For a popular revolt facing an overwhelming power imbalance, you need to rely on anyone in government being squeamish about massacring civilians.
The new government would rather kill a thousand innocent people than concede the God-Emperor ever being wrong about anything, and the new Senate minority would rather let them than violate procedural norms.
The richest men on the planet Earth are surrounding and and giving gifts/favors to a man who holds the highest position in a World Superpower with one of the largest militaries on the planet.
What can we realistically do to fight a possible incoming Nazi regime?
They are busy responding to other comments on other social media saying saying "It's because he is autistic, he was just stimming" or "He was showing how his heart goes out to them" or "It's totally just the Roman solute, learn your history bro"
A 14 years old edgelord who also happens to be the richest man in the world, to own a social network with which to manipulate public opinion. He has just bought the US presidency.
He once were in Poland visiting the concentration camp Ausschwitz with his son. He has nothing learned about this visit. It's a disgusting man. And it's high time to arrest him. Ban him. Take all his money and assets and put it for good use. Or send him to mars. Immediately. Solo mission.
Ngl, I was sceptical since still images are not a good representation of what's really going on when people are moving around, but then I checked out the video. Good lord, he even did it twice.
It’s so fucking cringe the way he’s biting his lip and does that little grunt. He was really sitting there amping himself up for this moment. “That’s it I’m going to sieg hail!!!”
What a fucking loser. No friends unlikeable moron.
Real funny how r/elonmusk official stance is that it was not a nazi salute. And yet the entire place is on complete lockdown.
its as if someone just threw 3 sig heils while the cheers got louder only during the gesture.
This and what Putin's presidency turned out to become in the long run is what I now happen to imagine largely felt like to witness the Nazis rise to power.
You just don't know what's coming before it's actually there. The historical evidence even shows that the Nazis weren't that out-of-touch with reality at first, at least in terms of what was largely acceptable back in their day - like rights to land, borders, with many countries and nations being in a very turbulent state after the first World War. It's only after they got the power and set up the frameworks, like gradually oppressive laws and manipulating opinions and values through propaganda, that they went to do what we ultimately associate them with.
Putin spoke very high of "the west" and democracy and such at first, but quickly showed his true self when the Kursk sank, then with Beslan (the Nord Ost), then many more times, but back in the day, without today's hindsight, it seemed so... plausibly deniable? Like people could just vote him out the next time or excuse some things with the same traumas and biases that still brewed in the generations born in or shorty after the USSR. Now a full-blown tyrant, modernized to dictate through deceit, looking wild compared to his first days - a proper example of boiling the proverbial frog; turning the dial little by little, either compounding into some greater evil or simply revealing its true self, both equally inconsequential in the end.
Trump and Musk, similarly, have for the most part been interesting characters, so bizarre that excepting anything more felt naive, beyond the realm of possible. And yet again, unless there is enough backlash early on, people like this will keep pushing, until they lead us to the edge.
I never wanted to see for myself how something so terrible can rise to power, seemingly past everyone's attention. It's dreadful to think that the lessons of history are bets learned on one's own mistakes, that the Germany's experience is not enough to generate the unrest that keeps such people out of power.
I'm not even on the same continent as these two, but I know they'll be influencing a whole lot of change around the world, change that will never benefit any way.
N.B. : from a removed post ( in which that comment was ) since the post was based on a photograph and that it was posted in /c/WorldNews ... which does not allow post if it is not linked to a news article ...
I'm austrian, and i have seen better nazi salutes by drunk edgy teenagers in the 90s. Are you americans in here sure he actually knows how a nazi salute should look like or do all of the Y'all Quaeda first grip their steroid induced mantits before they half-dab?
I'm not American, so I'm just now catching up with what happened over there yesterday. The first time I saw this image (elsewhere), I was praying that this was AI-generated. And I hate seeing AI-generated stuff and I'm not religious either. I still wish it was AI but now I know it's not and... jesus christ.
I expect the American pro-Israel politicians who threw hissy fits for «free Palestine» slogans to take appropriate stances for a literal fucking nazi salute on Inauguration day.
Of course also the Israeli government, the German government, etc.
Come on, you fucking assholes. Dare you fucking speak up?
The ADL is already fucking apologizing on his behalf and saying he was just being "Enthusiastic" and then went on to say “In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath. This is a new beginning. Let’s hope for healing and work toward unity in the months and years ahead,”
Absolutely spineless fucking cowards, the lot of them.
On another note though, 9 hours, 1k upvotes, 300 comments. It's a shame more people don't migrate away from Reddit, which is just as bad as all these other social media platforms currently courting the U.S. administration.
Next he'll be wearing a swastika on his arm and claiming "oh this is just a whirling log, a symbol of prosperity and peace". And also "oh this is just a very black uniform that Hugo Boss made for me"
How many Americans right now are going to be like the Jews in Germany in the 1930s? They're a targeted group and can see what's coming, but for some reason aren't doing everything in their power to get away before they're rounded up and thrown in camps?
I wondering if he did it to win a bet: "Hey man, we already get away with some fucken outlandish shit, and people ate that up. I bet you that you can't get away with throwing out a nazi salute on live tv"
I think he repeated it once (so 2 times total). And the video itself was repeated. And the 3rd time, at the end of the video, was actually "American salute" (where your hand start at the head).
Bitch doesn't have the courage to step foot where he knows he'd get fucked. He'd rather use his money to destabilize it until they give him a red carpet welcome, which they very well might eventually, considering how the AfD is doing.
The US didn't even get the excuse of being forced to pay obscenely high war reparations to justify their fascism. Instead, it's dissatisfaction with inflation which, in turn, is the predictable combination of the exponential depletion of scarce resources (real estate, water) and the consolidation of property into the hands of an ultra wealthy minority. If one must frame the emergence of fascism in a “war” context, then the cause is plutocrat beligerantes strategically fighting a social class war while most of everyone else think it's a culture war.
Said it before, saying it again. A state that willing to support a live streamed genocide, worst case war crimes, have no regards of women and children, will never care about it is own people.
On one hand, I fit perfectly in into the Aryan aesthetic. Pale, but not albino, fair hair, blue eyes, male, straight, with a protestant Anglo-Saxon upbringing, with a moderate income and useful job.
On the other hand, I have problems with authority, keeping my mouth shut when I should, and don't intend to make it easy for people to get purged.
Actually probably not that hard for me to predict. I'll give it a year
On the other hand, I have problems with authority, keeping my mouth shut when I should, and don't intend to make it easy for people to get purged
In Nazi-Germany you probably would have been one of the first the Nazis took away. One strategy of them was to curbstomp immediately any defiance in the population. They were successful.
Under the Magas? Who knows, you might hold out a few years. My guess is about 3 years max, they’d want to consolidate before the coronation, erm, I mean the the next „election“.
He and Trump, being the massively thin-skinned crybabies that they both are, will inevitably fall out at some point and Musk will be out of the picture. Will be funny as fuck to see who throws the biggest tantrum.
People referring to this as "mildly" infuriating is what has us in this mess in the first place. What does it take to get you all actually pissed the fuck off!!? 2025 should have you absolutely livid.
The liberal minded can't find the leadership to organize change. Maybe too many people are too comfortable, but it seems to me a lack of a strong message and organization. A lack of left-leaning, anti-corporation, for the people kind of leadership.
Generally not a good move to announce that you're the enemy of all humankind. The one thing everybody agrees on is nazis are the bad guys. Regardless of what else changes, that's always a reliable guide.
I tought it was out of context used as an attac since left needs any ammunition it can have.
But no, judging from the video a large portion of Argentina would do a standing ovation in response.
A clown world.
NGL, I'm speechless/infuriated because of this. Not going to really function today I think.
Well, gotta fake it a bit later when the kids get home. They're already asking things like why Russia is killing people in Ukraine and what does war feel like, so I'm thinking perhaps they don't need additional baggage right now.
So interesting thing to note from history, in many cases western people or nations pulled ahead by betraying non-western allies or peoples. The prosperity of the current globalist, neoliberal world is built on multicultural alliances.
Basically people like this are signaling to anyone who’s paying attention and has been keeping score of historical record “DONT TRUST US, WE WILL BETRAY YOU!!”. There’s just not enough economic activity in the western nations to uphold their current levels of activity and productivity without multicultural alliances, so this is an interesting turn.
Power is an interesting concept because a lot of it is assumed on the part of those who claim it, and those who relinquish it often don’t even realize the cards they hold because they’re gaslit into believing the lies of their opponents. What a shitty and annoying world, and here I was hoping for a Star Trek future in my lifetime.
Lastly, the whole “white supremacy” thing doesn’t make sense when there are people of Persian descent who are more Aryan than many white Europeans, so that’s a huge lol.
Now the real final battle begins. I have nothing much to live for anyway. When Europe declares war against America...at least we won't just sit around when we die.
I guess I'm going to be the one that plays devil's advocate as there is no context here other than a still image, but is it possible he wasn't intentionally doing a Nazi salute and has just been caught in an incredibly awkward pose?
While Israel is crashing the fuck out and fragging kids during the ceasefire, Muskolini hit a sieg that the fuhrer would have trouble matching in energy. That shit had momentum to it. He wound that mother up like Popeye. Don't let me catch anyone calling this a dogwhistle.
If you can afford to not purchase american goods & services and you're not doing so, you're complicit. Let it be known.
I dont think Elon Musk is a nazi. I've never seen any evidence that he is a nazi nor have I ever seen any presented. I think he is an asshole that harasses people for his personal satisfaction. He is so rich that no matter what happens he, his children, and all their children will all enjoy the highest quality lives available. There may also be some chemical addiction mixed in there as well as some mental illness.
Outside of maybe a comedian, there’s absolutely no reason to do this, at this event, unless you’re serious. He’s certainly not a comedian, so context is you’re being gaslit
The Anti-Defamation League, which tracks antisemitism, disagreed.
"It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge," it posted on Monday.
In Germany, the president of the Jewish community in Munich and Upper Bavaria, Charlotte Knobloch, described the gesture as "highly irritating".
"Far more worrying are Elon Musk's political positions, his offensive interference in the German parliamentary election campaign and his support for a party whose anti-democratic aims should be under no illusions," she said in a statement.
Look if the extremely jumpy ADL doesn't call it anti-Semitic it's a real reach to call at a Nazi salute. And don't tell me they are in on the conspiracy. Most politicians know better than to hold out their arms like that, Musk clearly does not.
A large proportion of Americans are very ready to be extremely upset and will look in to things that aren't there, like a socially inept Musk appearing to make a Nazi salute.
Or
Musk intentionally made a Nazi salute.
I know it's emotional times, but I think a huge amount of people aren't thinking rationally.
It is definitely a nazi salute, but what if he didn’t mean it this way? Elon is supposedly on the spectrum, so he could have done it to show his excitement, without realizing the true meanings and implications. Of course it’s possible that he did in fact know what he was doing, if so then it’s a completely different story….
The problem is liberals only speak out, in action they don't do shit to protect the vulnerable, they never hold their own politicians accountable for their inaction.
We aren't talking about Nazi Germany here. If there is something going down I want to know about it. However, so far it is just been more gossip type stuff than anything.
The news and media likes to drive engagement. To do that they create strong emotions.