Indian start-up Yes Madam fires employees who indicated being stressed in the survey
Indian start-up Yes Madam fires employees who indicated being stressed in the survey
Toxic positivity in action
It was toxic internet point grabbing in action - https://indianstartupnews.com/news/yes-madam-clarifies-on-firing-over-100-employees-for-being-stressed-says-no-one-was-fired-it-was-an-awareness-initiative-8416411
It's it actually toxic if you really do benefit from it?
You don't benefit from it. Having been in a place where positivity is a focus, it's just ignoring any problems or criticism that can't be addressed with a work harder attitude. It forces out anyone not drinking the Kool aid, and those tend to be better employees.
Yes, because humans are messy.
The stressed employees were almost certainly the high performers lmao
And when output and production drop 35% next quarter, you can be damn sure they'll whip out the "We're a family here!!!" talk as they announce even more layoffs to pad the bottom line.
Whenever you are having a bad day just remember you had like 1/4 chance of spawning in India
There are ten livestock animals in captivity for every one human. You're still lucky to be born a human anywhere on earth, because we are the monsters.
I remember it, and then I remember I’m in that 1/4th
“The beatings will continue until morale improves.”
"Beatings didn't work. Let's try hunger and homelessness"
Well, that is going to backfire because they just made all new stress for the current employees
Yeah, they did, but the remaining employees won't dare complain about it so management sees this as a twofer win.
And have learned that lying is the best policy
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
Don't ever engage with culture sensing surveys honestly. The only place they weren't a trap (ironically) was the US Army where they did it on paper, punished people for putting their names on them, and walked right past your entire immediate chain of command to their bosses with the results. And the one time things were truly bad they literally brought in a Sociology expert to study our unit and figure out how things had gone bad, it resulted in all new leadership and team building exercises, in a war zone. (These results do not extend to other branches, I had one done by the Navy and it was corpo trap bullshit, got a lot of the Army guys there by surprise.)
Or engage with them but expect the repercussions.
I'm very candid when this shit comes around my corp and am extremely nuanced in explaining the culture challenges.
The trick is to not explicitly call anyone out and highlight it's a systemic problem.
In our corp, our managers get the answers and results without the names of employees that gave the answers. Did not see anyone regretting being honest on the survey yet.
I am wondering more and more if it is the corp I work for that is unusual, if it is because it is in the EU, not US (even though corp is US based), or if just the people with worst experiences are the most keen to share them...
Lesson I learned the hard way: if any study comes around on your satisfaction, don't answer it. If management comes asking why you haven't answered the study, apologize, you've been swamped, you'll get get right on it, and you lie your ass off.
I have always engaged with every one of them and have been negative quite often yet never anything bad came of it. Probably because we have employee rights where I live. So the actual problem is americas lacks of rights.
I worked for a youuuuuuge international corporation that did a survey in the late 1990s.
They took them extremely seriously and trained and replaced the poor performing leadership.
It led to a big jump in profits.
I'm glad someone is using it correctly then.
Please tell me this is fake. Please?!?!!??
True story: I once worked for a startup where the head of HR kept a spreadsheet he called his "naughty and nice" list. For every employee he had a score that boiled down to "risk to the company". He would send out surveys like this and say things like "your feedback is strictly confidential", then use the responses to determine people's scores. Of course other things like any kind of complaint he overheard went into it too.
It seems that it's most likely an out-of-touch marketing stunt. The company, Yes Madam, is apparently launching some sort of corporate wellness program type thing so they are likely going to pivot this publicity into "Treating employees like that would be awful right?! But companies do have stressed employees and should take care of them with...blah".
I hope it fully backfires and they go out of business.
EDIT: It just hit me that they are going to say "We didn't have a single employee who indicated stress on the survey, because we take care of our employees."
@[email protected] you were correct. it’s nice to be vindicated but annoying that the internet will never stop falling for obvious bait like this.
It's India. Of course it's not fake.
Not that this wouldn’t happen, but for me the screenshot looks a bit edited (though I’m just viewing on my phone): look at the clarity of the text in the email, then at the signature and logo. Might be that somebody just swapped out the text in an image editor.
Years ago I heard this story about a company in India that held a fire drill. Once everybody was gathered outside, they made the announcement that for about a third of them their key cards wouldn't work anymore because they were fired. My colleagues from India at the time said that sounded very real.
I had a coworker who had this happen at a former search company in the US.
Don't need India for stories like that: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uKsD_5GCY1Y
PirateSoftware Blizzard story
The only thing I could find is that Yes Madam is a real company and that the sender is indeed the HR head of that company. So if it's fake, someone kept the header and signature of a real email. Or maybe a real email sent on April 1st? I have a hard time believing that this is real (not that a company wouldn't do this, but the fact that they would admit to it so blatantly like it's not a bad thing).
It's a disgusting and utterly tone deaf marketing stunt then
And they just included them all in the 'to' instead of bcc. Very professional.
That email is company wide, not specific to those fired
Every company I've worked at sends these surveys out and says they are "anonymous". I never respond to them.
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If they are truly anonymous, why does my boss personally call me out to respond to them? I know it may track if you have submitted the survey. If it has that capability, then it can track you.
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I don't want a "moral boosting" pizza party. Give me more time off or more pay.
I respond to all of them with brutal honestly. My most recent one was along the lines of
"A major topic of the town hall meeting was the push to get [sales number] by the end of the year. We did the same thing last year and I got a 2% raise. What is my incentive to make you money if my raises don't even match inflation?"
Even if it's anonymous, my boss knows it's me. This way I can bring it up in my review as a callback as opposed to trying to awkwardly work it in to the conversation
I did something similar to this but I misremembered the figure. So I got to watch my boss fiddle and fumble for the courage to say 'actually it was only an X% raise, not Y%'
LOL I like it, take it one step further too: "...and you'll be hearing about this shit during my performance review!"
Recently at a company town hall, "please respond the anonymous employee satisfaction survey."
My boss a couple of weeks later, "HR says they need more surveys from our group. Please encourage your teams to fill them out."
Yeah, completely anonymous.
And why is the url they send always "website.com/survey-name/[random hash]"? Why are there trackers on this totally anonymous, fo sho, survey link?
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this is
likelysatire/a publicity stunt by the wayedit: proof. trust your gut yall.
It was reported by several outlets as true.
Risky publicity stunt if that’s what it was.
The company faced significant backlash after allegedly terminating employees under stress and later clarified that the move was part of an awareness initiative.
lmao yeah right. Get fucked. "Ohh we tots didn't mean it besties"
According to... ?
https://www.afaqs.com/news/social-media/yes-madams-termination-email-unveiled-as-campaign-to-address-workplace-stress-8416050
Edit: fixed link thx @[email protected]
And you really believe that?
"Let's pretend we fire all employees that are stressed out over or horror practices, will be a great commercial!"
What that link says is that they fucked around and found out and are now making up bullshit excuses to contain the find.
I don’t believe anything, is my point. Everything about this reads to me as made up attention seeking. So sure, you wouldn’t be wrong to guess maybe the latest news is false too.
And no one gave critical/constructive feedback ever again. Mission accomplished!
We did it, Patrick! We solved workplace stress!
No one tell them about poor or mentally ill people 😭
It's always those punks in HR
This is hilarious
I doubt the people who's kids are going to starve because they were so stressed at work agree with you on that.
Big if true
I doubt they'll eat any better by you telling him off.
Literal IT Crowd episode.
Have a bath? NO. GET A BIKE.
Are you stressed..... JEN
I have seen the exact same behavior here Canada with companies that are led by Indians. They treat it like a sweatshop. and this was an office.
There was quite a few in the UK as well, mostly in Leicester (large Indian immigrant population there). People being paid £3 an hour when it should have been about £8 at the time.
If you buy cheap clothes from the likes of BooHoo you should know that they're made in these places, and if you buy expensive clothes, then they're probably made in the exact same conditions with a nicer label sewn in the back and a better PR department to handwave away any wrongdoing.
Has this been reported? If this Is in Canada there are worker protection services....
I work with a few Indian development teams, and "sweatshop" is an apt description. We work on software dependencies, as specified by them. After we deliver, they decide it's not what they wanted, change the specs and treat it as a "drop everything else" bug. It gives me no greater pleasure than telling them to relax, that we'll get to it in due time when we have the capacity. I like to think that a few of their managers already popped a vein.
I've been subject to the same treatment by a white person in Canada. Three out of my 5 colleagues were from India because apparently they were the only ones that could take it. They didn't fire me they made my life hell until I quit because of my mental health crisis. They made me sign bad performance reviews, the manager and her assistant shouted and screamed at me and made me work on holidays and kept accusing me of things that are not true until I quit. They did this to other people as well and no one had any grounds to sue them because they knew how to play the game. It's not just Indians that do this in Canada. Some Canadians do it too. This happen in the national capital region no less.
Yes I have been treated like shit from "white" managers as well (although i don't know what white means here).
So fucked up
Wow, that's not bullshit in the slightest. Is it legal to do this there? I mean it's technically illegal here in America but employers can always come up with a bullshit excuse. Worse, if you live in San "at will" state, they can fire you with NO reason.
I don't know much about Indian laws and work culture, but many Indians I spoke to mentioned the work culture in their country is highly toxic. They prefer to work in American and Western companies instead of Indian-grown ones.
Last time I was in Bangalore there was an 80% completed, multi-story downtown building that 'didn't exist'.
It's not the laws that matter, it's who you know.
Watching Mike Okay videos, even things that aren't legal seem to be commonplace. The video where he visited a small jeans factory in a crawlspace above another shop that had ladder access, and where the off-dity employees slept on the floor underneath the workbenches where other workers were working, a small room with ceilings so low he had to stoop, that gave me the heebie jeebies
Whenever I talk to an Indian about politics, the one thing they always mention is how bad corruption is in India. So I doubt that, even if it is illegal, they'll face any repercussions, so long as they've padded the pockets of the right person.
This is wow, I mean we are used to a lot, but wow.
They also write "100% Purely Bhartiya Brand" on their (really terrible) page. I am not indian, so I might be wrong, but this raises some questionmarks.
If anyone has questions about what bhartiya means, it means Indian.
So the whole phrase means 100% purely Indian company. Equivalent to the phrase 100% purely American company.
In both countries, this could indicate alignment with the ultra nationalist party in power who have been espousing a push to produce goods within the country instead of importing from china, or just a normal support local businesses thing.
Yeah and the "100% purely American" would raise a lot of red flags for me...
Click bait publicity stunt. No one was fired.
That is…what a way to inspire mass exodus in the remaining employees.
Here, be honest. Thank you. You’re fired. This feels very Trump-y.
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"It's not me, it's you"
But they told me the survey was anonymous!
I love those.
I filled one out onetime and one of my teammates told us it's really anonymous.
So I bet him $100 dollars that I could prove it wasn't.
we filled them out and a couple days later I printed off his survey and taped it to his monitor.
he was pissed. I told him he could keep the $100 because the look on his face was worth it.
I had access to the drive where all the reports spit out. in the reports were the IPs of the submitters. I knew his IP and just grepped it. I'm sure leadership does the same thing.
My partner took an "anonymous" survey at work once.
When the results came out, it categorised the results. Site, m/f/o, role.
Turns out that there was only one female engineer at her site... So everybody knew she was annoyed about some specific things.
lol ppl do work surveys? Jesus fuck, why?
Wouldn't be surprised to hear this shit was mandatory.
Honestly the name of their company is the more shocking part.
tips fedora
M'lady Services Limited
Where did we go so wrong man
My coworker said he was stressed out on a survey and the forced therapy. We all made fun of him for telling the truth.
Probably just a front for tech support scam call center anyway.
Glad someone mentioned it, that was my immediate thought.
No one was firebombed at YesMadam!
To my Lemmy family and community,
I sincerely apologize for any distress caused by my recent social media post calling for the firebombing of YesMadam's corporate headquarters. Let me be clear: I would never take such an inhuman step. I deeply respect the value of all human life.
My social media post was a planned effort to highlight the serious issue of firebombing corporate headquarters. And to those who shared angry comments of voiced strong opinions, I say thank you. When people speak up, it shows they care.
Were YesMadam's corporate headquarters really firebombed? Absolutely not.
Jesus Christ.
I’m very surprised anyone in this community would actually believe this. As several of the cross posts detail, India has better worker protections than this. It’s almost guaranteed fake. Also the text doesn’t match up across the screenshot so it looks photoshopped in some way.
Well there are a few stories on it so far. Guess we will find out if real in the next few days.
As detailed in the cross post, all those stories just reference one source. It’s functionally useless information.
If you are dissatisfied with your current position, it may be more productive to focus on exploring new opportunities rather than remaining in an unfulfilling role.
Why exactly did you decide to write that?
Any employee has more understanding of their own best interests than you or their employer do, and these folks had been choosing to remain with the company up until that moment.
So one can reasonably assume that most people are worse off when they get fired, even given any survey response whatsoever.
The employee believed it was beneficial to express their feelings and stress levels to their employer. However, this information was subsequently used against them. Given the stress the employee was experiencing, a more effective course of action might have been to exercise discretion and focus on finding a new job rather than voicing their concerns in a manner that could be counterproductive.