Yeah, I'm giving up after this.
The Democratic party just can't deal with the stupidity and racism that is the American population.
I mean for fucks sake, Black and Latino voters increased their votes for Trump this time around.
Just time to hang up the hat and let America burn.
Also:
Biden got 81,282,916 votes
Harris got 66,153,556 votes
Americans didn't even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again. Yeah, there's no saving this democracy.
Don't forget they are going to intentionally force us back to coal and oil, and stifle all transitions to cleaner energy. So really how bad could it be
It’s going to be interesting when climate refugees start overwhelming the habitable regions (like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Wisconsin), driving housing costs even higher. People who think housing prices are high now will rudely awaken when the influx of people from the coastal regions – who have not only been displaced by climate disasters but have also lost their savings, and insurance will not bail them out – are competing for already limited affordable housing and local jobs.
But of course more drilling will totally fix that, right?
Maybe a lot of Democrats also dislike women in power and black people. Maybe the American people, regardless of the party they say they support, are still very conservative. This is not an unpopular opinion outside the USA.
Yes. That is the ultimate conclusion for me as well. The American people voted for racism and sexism, because they are racist and sexist. America can’t do better because this is the best we have. Trump represents conservatives. It’s really confusing because his actions aren’t conservative… but here we are.
Nah. Trump got fewer votes (when you account for the ~4% population growth since the 2020 election) than last time, while Dems lost a fuckton of votes, compared to 2020.
Trump won, both the election, and the popular vote, not because he got Dems to vote for him, but because a dozen million Dems decided not to vote at all.
Honestly, yeah, there would have to be a decent amount of them with almost 20 million voters who didn't show up to vote.
Americans didn’t even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again.>
Absolutely. Trump did not have a significant bump in votes, 10 million voters did not turn out, or so early figures show. Of them, it's largely white suburban males. Apathy leads to populism. Dr. King had something to say about white liberals...
Sure but at the same time Blacks and Latinos made significant bumps to the Trump vote here too. I would have to imagine that Dr. Kind would have some choice words for them too.
When the plague of face-eating leopards arrives, I will be interested in the responses of the people who never thought their faces would get eaten
I'm sorry that part of my immigrant family is this stupid. Thankfully, they can't vote fwiw. 🤷♂️
Don't feel bad man, your family isn't you and you can't control when your family does something stupid. Heck my immigrant family that can vote was going on about not voting this year because of both sides bullshit and I had to talk them that yeah, you need to vote regardless. Not that it mattered because native born Americans are such a lost cause at this point.
Today is a dark day. But, I will say this...
When the world gets dark, new lights often appear. It's a funny thing, but good people tend to be quiet and reserved. It's the anger of the patient person, and the good people pushed too far, that often can incite the most change. As Mr. Rogers' mother famously told him - look for the helpers when you see scary things unfold.
It's time for the helpers.
I hope everyone reading this understands what this means. We must help now. Don't look for the helpers, because we aren't children, as Fred Roger's once was...
Protect the people around you, especially the vulnerable and those at the most risk. Do it at the cost of your safety and well-being.
Cruelty has won a great battle today, but it can't win the war without a fight.
I volunteered at county Dem HQ and was tasked with texting Dem voters who hadn't shown up at the polls by noon. Each page had maybe 50 names on it. And only 3 or 4 voters typically voted. It was a disaster.
In addition to what you said, I wonder how Biden and then Harris deciddd to become the nominee. What the methodology was. The dems could have hired a psychologist who could have guided them on the kind of candidate that would have won the American people over. They could have hired a pr team to help manage their campaign. The dems essentially took a bigger risk than it did in 2016 and it backfired on them again… except this time less people voted.
Yeah I have zero fucks left. I am done with this bullshit. I canvassed for the first and last time this election as it's quite clear it did jack shit. I'm withdrawing from being a concerned citizen. The idiots voting for this shit can have it. I'm going full libertarian in my lifestyle. My family matters and nothing else. I am truly sorry for those who didn't vote for this and will suffer greatly. I just can't do it anymore.
Yeah it's never the fault of the party, it's all those stupid people exercizing their right to choose. Maybe if dems didn't put all their worth in being "the least worst option" and actually tried to be a good party this wouldn't have happened.
Whatever you do, don't blame voters though. The only people who could possibly be at fault here are Democrats. Because voters are perfect little angels. Who can blame them for their strong desire for fascism? That's just human nature after all
I get it, everyone is upset that Trump won (including myself). But the voters are not solely to blame here.
Democrats put forward a candidate who lost to fascism. What does that say about your policies, your messaging, how the voters feel about you when you tell them "You have to vote for me because I'm not the other guy!"
Y'all need to accept that 1. The Democrats can grasp defeat from the jaws of victory like no one else, and 2. The American people want change, they want progress, they have had enough of the status quo system that isn't working for them anymore.
They spent the last four years living under Biden, and despite all the screeching about how well the economy was doing, Americans don't feel it. And instead of addressing that, or doing anything about it, Biden and the Democrat establishment would just point the finger at Republicans and say, "No, no, they're worse, trust us, they're worse, they're worse."
They've spent a year telling Americans, despite everything they're seeing and hearing from Palestine, that Israel needs this unconditional support, while the world votes to hold Israel accountable and the US vetos it, under a Democrat administration. Multiple times, while refusing to let any Palestinians on stage at the DNC to speak, but parading Republican after Republican because they finished licking Trump's ass and decided to give Kamala's a go. Arab and Muslim Americans organized a protest vote, over 100,000 strong in Michigan alone (which she's projected to lose, btw), and the Democrats sent Bill Clinton to lecture them on how Israel is only doing what's necessary to defend themselves.
So we've had four years of milquetoast progress at best from a candidate the Democrat's constituency already didn't like. He dropped out but didn't leave enough time for a new primary, so the Democrat Party pushed Kamala on us, and then had her run on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform, while refusing to take any meaningful stand on Palestine, with their biggest policy being, "Hey, you have to vote for us because we're not fascist."
If the American people, people in general, don't feel like they're being represented, why would the feel like voting? This is a failure on the Democrats, 100%, for running platform policies and candidates that don't drive people to the polls. Say what you want about Trump, and there's plenty to say about the absolute piece of shit of a human being he is.
But he makes his voters feel listened to and heard, and Democrats may consider it regression, but Republicans get their policies done, and they show progress to their constituents. Democrats get nothing done, usually due to Republican fuckery, but the Republicans don't face similar fuckery, so the average voter doesn't care, they just see one wide getting their agenda accomplished and the other not.
So now I pose this question to you, and I'm genuinely asking, this isn't an "I gotcha, I am so smart!"
If a person doesn't feel represented by their government regardless of who's in power, and your life doesn't drastically improve under either candidate, well... What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?
You can say this but when a republican policy is "drill for more oil" and a democratic policy is "focus on clean energy," one is easier, cheapens prices, and has readily apparent effects. Many democrat policies are long term goals that people won't notice, and might even hurt them in the short term, but they need to be done. Medicare will increase taxes, supporting Ukraine and not taking Russian oil increases prices, and most people agree these policies are good things. Yet what is the biggest complaint under Biden? Skyrocketing inflation, because the average voter doesn't care about policy they just care how it affects their lives.
You're asking for an impossible solution if you want the party of "this is a hard decision but will benefit us all in the future" to have the same draw as "here's cheaper prices NOW, we'll ignore the future." Not to mention as you already said republicans will block any and all attempts at real change. It's completely unfair that even if 90% of a democrat candidate's platform is beneficial, that's not good enough since they don't have the short-term effects to wow people with. If democratic policies reduced prices and republican policies increased them (say, swap the stances on oil and climate), we could have a literal potato as the candidate and people would run to vote for it.
What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?
Democrats wanted to incrementally improve things. Republicans wanted to round us up into camps.
Voters had an opportunity to prevent a christo-fascist dictatorship and they didn't take it. Moving things to the left in this country has always involved voting. Losing our democracy doesn't improve the Democratic Party. If there is another election, which we can't count on, Democrats are going to learn that they need to move further to the right to pick up votes. They've done it before, and they will do it again. They will look at the conservatives who voted and tailor a party platform for them.
Democrats could not care less about appealing to nonvoters or third party voters. They only care about winning, which is probably part of why they suck at it.
Voting should be a mechanical choice during elections. If people want better candidates, organize, and do the work to get grassroots movements off the ground between elections.
Instead of picking a strategy based on a subjective morality people should consider analyzing strategies based on their utility.
If a strategy advances a goal it's useful. If it doesn't, it's not. Voting for the Democrats demonstrates a wider voting base for them to move to the left. Moving Democrats to the left is the goal so this strategy is useful. Protest voting takes votes away from the Democrats so they look for voters on the right. This accomplishes the opposite of the goal so this strategy is not useful.
Nail on the head.
Amazingly well said. This is on party Democrats. Don't let people convince you otherwise.
It's of the upmost importance that we don't hold power to account and assure them they've done nothing wrong. They are powerful after all. What wrong could they have done?
Don't give up, just don't be nice to republicans. And make sure to harass the next administration for our rights. Fucking racist rapist criminals.
I am sure that if Trump has his way, you will no longer have rights to fight for. It comes to a point where you can no longer just fight the symptoms, you need to fight the disease. Americans just voted for the disease.
What rights do you really have when there is a Supreme Court that will allow them to be trampled?
I'm cutting out everyone in my life who voted Trump or 3rd party. This includes my parents, all of my siblings, and my in-laws. They don't realize the damage they've done. I can't even stand to look at them anymore, so I won't.
Well, good news I guess, with the way the climate is gonna go now you won't be living long at all.
If pollution under Trump is as bad as he is promising the idea of hitting 5 degrees C by 2075 doesn't seem that far fetched.
It's 2024 so that's 51 years from now. I'm 31. If I'm not dead by then I would be 82. So I could, in theory, live to see it.
Also…. No one is going to try and burn down the Capitol this time. So we’ve got that.
We're going to get our shit rammed in by climate collapse. It was going to happen either way, but I am old enough that I was hoping to be able to delay it enough to run down the clock.
Many terrible things are coming, but my heart is aching for Ukraine this morning...
This is my biggest fear as well.
We in Europe need to focus on our own security and military future without being to dependant on our unstable partner overseas.
He won fair and square, which means that this was not just some fluke. It can and probably will happen again in the future.If the GOP asks Ukraine to surrender what they have lost, I hope both Zelensky and we as Europe collectively give him a fat middle finger in return.
Russia must lose!And Palestine. Shit is going to get uglier than it was already.
I was thinkin, the funds an such were sending to Ukraine is gonna jus scribbled out an resent to Israel on 1/22/25
Palestine will just be more Israel in a couple years. And the Palestinians that couldn't get out to somewhere else will be dead.
My first thought was for Ukraine. I don't want to live in this timeline any more.
And Gaza and Lebanon.
The list of people fucked by this is pretty long.
Maybe they could get together all across the world to undo it.
Our deepest condolences from across the pond.
Looking around in my European neighborhood and even my own country, it seems we have the same fucking problem here
Will be nice to see, when Europe freezes because of climate change and we need to move to the then green Sahara, how Africans will handle us immigrants.
Probably they'll do as nicely, as we do, and will let us drown on our way there, or put us into camps, to protect their own country.Seems cooperation and mutual help is the devil...
I hear Moldova is nice.
It's appreciated.
Every day I look back at one day I had in 2016 when I felt like killing myself and wonder why I didn't just fucking do it.
I'm sure in ten years, I'll look back on this and... wish I had done it now.
Don't do it. We're going to need to help each other through what's coming, and I'll absolutely fight for your rights, whoever you are.
I wish I had been aborted. This place is a shithole and has since before I arrived.
Yeah, I get a bit of a chuckle when an anti-abortion zealot uses the threat "what if your mother had aborted you?" That isn't the threat that they think it is.
That's just what they want you to do. It's much better to take this opportunity to fight the fascists.
Wouldn't it make more sense to kill him instead of just yourself? Strictly hypothetically speaking
Congratulations America! Corruption, greed and hate just won.
Big tune!
Remember to vote in all local elections. The more sensible people you get into office the more change you create. Look up all the candidates, even for things like education, water treatment, family court judges.
These are all offices that we vote (or not) into office.
When I went to look at who to vote for in the shitty midwest state I am from, (I am an expat. ) sometimes the choice wasn't clear. Some had no party affiliation, but those who seek positions of power often move on to other positions of power. Starting at the bottom we must vote in good people.
So I looked up their campaign websites or facebook pages, and made my choice from there. Do I want the girl with little background in the subject who has republican affiliations supporting her campaign for the office?
Or maybe the guy who runs free name change clinics for people who need it and works at the local food bank.
The choice was clear to me.
I am sorry fellow Americans. This was an outcome I had greatly feared.
Don't give up.
I've voted in every election in the last 24 years despite giving up hope after 2000.
It's nice to see a sane comment that isn't completely gloom and doom. Thank you for this small comfort friend.
It’s happening: Idiocracy (2006) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
I might be at fault. I unironically wear Crocs because they are cheap, durable, and easy to clean.
Idiocracy would be an improvement at this point.
Believe in people. All we have is each other. And we all need each other now.
Didn't people vote for Trump?
Seems the people have abandoned us.We're on our own.
Yeah, we all know people like this... People who should care, but they don't. Most are older folks in my experience.
On the bright side, Trump is very old and unhealthy. I'm not sure he can make it another 4 years. His mind is already going, it's very clear to anyone not drinking the Kool Aid.
Belief can be a source of hope during dark times but the Nazis weren't stopped with good intentions and a pat on the shoulder. They were fought back with blood, steel and a fuckton of bombs.
Defend yourself against fascists.
I am genuinely disgusted at how this could even happen like this. He got the popular vote? By 5 million?
Oh its worse then that.
Just winning would be bad, but with the popular vote that is a mandate.
Having a clear mandate would be very bad but the house/senate would both need to go red to be able to execute the sort of mandate promised. You know that thing that also happened.
Yeah, it wasn't even the electoral college fucking us. He straight up won, by a significant amount too.
He's lost at everything in his life, despite trying so much and having every advantage. At a certain point the law of large numbers has to kick in.
And the one time he does it's because of nazis lol. Still not really a victory.
Why don't you guys start a revolution against first-past-the-post? Fascism has far less power that way.
We had ranked-choice-voting at the State level on the ballot here in Oregon and voters rejected it by about 60%.
Unfortunately only the calm and sane people are upset, and it's harder to whip us into a full revolution.
The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That's why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They've learned how to prevent us from revolting.
If we are at the point of solution by revolution, I think our aims should be higher than just first past the post...
My state just banned ranked choice lol
Surely all of the revolutionaries online dissuading people from voting Harris will kick into gear and get everyone motivated to change the constitution, fix the electoral system, eliminate capitalism, and obtain gay space communism for all.
Better do it now, cause glorious leader Trump will mobilize the military to shut it down quick.
We have Tiananmen Square Massacre at home.Remind me again what style of democracy the Weimar Republic had?
I've never agreed with the professor more than I do now. At least he actually has the option!
Asteroid - Yellowstone Supervolcano 2028
God that sounds nice right now.
Least it will be quick.
If you didn’t read The Parable of the Sower and The Parable of Talents by Octavia Butler in/before 2016, now is a good time to do so.
We save us, because nobody else is.
(I know this is from a different account, but I'm OP) - I'm familiar with biblical parables, I don't have too much time to read these days, can you give me summary?
They're not really biblical in the sense that they're about the Christian Bible, although they're certainly religious (in the sense that the main character is developing a new religion focused on long term survival of humanity). They're sci-fi books set in the near future of the US, basically during end stage capitalism. It's hard to give an exact summary because those books are about a lot, but I would say primarily they're about the importance of empathy and community.
stolen election, fake news, time to throw a hissy fit and storm the capital and then blame the feds like a pussy… I mean is there any other way to handle this?
Well, time to pack up my bags. Netherlands here I come.
We elected a party that's barely any better on social policy and just as bad on foreign policy with a talking head that's Dutch Trump
My family is trying to sort out which European country to move too and it seems like so many of them are electing some sort of Trump.
For me Europe is still a better option than the US for two primary reasons.
First, most countries are so far ahead of America in terms of social progress even if a PM/president/whatever leader takes a country back 30 years it'll still be way ahead of the US.
Second, most European countries have a much better voting system that will make it easier to oust the Trumpian leader and fix the stuff they messed up in the future.
This is what believing in elections does. Complacent on victory, depressed in defeat. Disregard elections and take direct action. Nobody can take that away from you.
Elections are how we achieve a peaceful transfer of power. Hopefully fascist incompetence will so fully debilitate this Trump administration that we manage to hold another one. We can't count on it though. We need to organize in the meantime.
What direct action will get me the testosterone I need to not kill myself in the event Trump bans all gender affirming care?
I know this is from a different account, but fml. I'm sure you are aware of how depressing things are as a fellow anarchist. I have to go vote, because I try to give a shit.
Voted as an attempt at harm reduction. But i had mail-in so it took me 2 minutes.
Believe in them or not, they're not for change. You're right insofar as popular direct action creates tangible change in the world.
At least he can't run in 2028 now...
So far, bet him and his supreme Court or sure going to do something about that
True. He could end up appointing six total SCOTUS judges...
Dictator day one....
Yeah, but neither will anyone else.
Remember, he literally said you won't need to vote after he gets in.
Ugh
I didn't believe that for a minute
😰
You don't need to run if your name is written in the constitution as perpetual President.
How old is that fuck again? Ah 78. So 82 when he's done fucking us all over.
Like I said before. I gotta get my old engine oil and start feeding it to the bunnies and the eagles that eat the bunnies. Do whales eat eagles? If not, I gotta start drinking beer so I can strangle more turtles and then feed the turtles to the whales so they all choke each other.
Bold to assume he'll stop there if he's still breathing
The other Trumps in the Trump family will continue his legacy of fucking everyone they know.
Tyranny doesn't generally die with the tyrant.
It’s president Vance to you. Trump isn’t doing well mentally or physically. I wonder how long they’ll keep him propped up.
Yeah that's going to definitely play a role.
If George Clooney was the democratic nominee, he would have won easily.
I've been thinking this for a while now. Nothing gets people more excited than a celebrity, and Trump is proof of that. Dems definitely need to fight back with a classically "alpha" seeming white male celebrity to fight back.
While I highly disagree with the concept of turning the office of president into even more of a joke by purposefully electing more celebrities, someone like Nick Offerman or Robert Downey Jr. Would easily be able to defeat just about any Republican candidate just on popularity alone.
Until education is fixed in America it's reckless not running a celebrity figurehead. This is the ugly fact.
Bro if I was the nominee, I would have won. No doubt about it. It would have been a landslide victory. It would look like the Reagan victory from his first term.
You're just built different
yeah, but George Clooney has multiple oscars.
Some of us need to move to the boondocks to infiltrate. Goddammit I don't want to live in the boondocks though. >:C
I moved from a blue state to Michigan 2 years ago. Thought it might help...
I lived there, it was ok (I still visit) but there are no jobs.
Dean Phillips would have won
Hell, I think even Witmer would have won
We're a racist country, to a lesser degree sexist
Stop the planet and let me get off
You and me both farnsworth
s/planet/country/
no, no. I think they're right. just a bit premature.
+1 for sed command in the wild
But you’re not gonna give up. You just feel like you are.
If you were gonna give up, you’d have done it the first time, but ya didn’t. There’s something in you that whispers NO FUCKIN WAY AM I GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT
On the bright side, if there's no extreme corruption we won't be hearing from him starting 2029
There won't be elections by 26
Or on any planet.
The crazy thing is...this might be good for my country (Switzerland) since Trump was the first president to begin discussing a free trade agreement between the USA and us...
But other than that, yeah :S
"Planet..."
goddamn yanks, I get you're mad, but it ain't the end of the world. Rest of the world is unaffected by this. I'm not saying you can't be upset, please, get mad--I'd be mad. But don't invoke the world's name, please, we don't care.
Is the rest of the world really unaffected, though? You may have thought that the drone strikes under Obama were bad. Let's just go ahead and get a near octogenarian in office that does nothing but hold grudges and shake hands with dictators. That won't affect the rest of the world at all, no sir.
Nothing changed in my country since 2016. Nothing changed in my neighbouring countries since 2016. Nothing changed in my country's allies since 2016. I was unaffected, along with everyone else.
The only thing that affected me was the mild annoyance of Americans assuming they are the default. But that existed before 2016, and after, and this is no different.
The planet part is mostly talking about climate change, which definitely affects you.
I'm aware. What do you expect me to do about it?
