Can we all agree that whatever version of predictive text we have nowadays is crap, and has been for a long time?
I'm sick of random capitalisations mid sentence. I'm sick of common words being replaced by less common ones or even downright nonsense. I'm sick of it taking three attempts to successfully get the word I want. I swear it's been like this for five years or more. Can we have a better version yet, or at least the old one back?
I tried to swipe some word earlier and it decided what really wanted to say was ConocoPhillips. Why the fuck is that even in the dictionary in my phone? When would I ever want to say that?
For real. If someone could SCTUALLY (oh look another issue. It fails to work out the word if the first letter is wrong far too often) *ACTUALLY answer this question I'd be halfway happy
Phones learn from what you’re typing. The more you type (typo) something, the more they will recommend it to you. Vicious cycle if it auto corrupts it for you, and you miss it/ignore it thinking the other party will understand you fine. Eventually it learns the ironic typos as actual words and then you’re stuck with them when you type. I kind of wish there’s a way to review / manage the autocomplete dictionaries, but I haven’t tried hard enough to find out yet.
It was totally to give you content to share today on Lemmy /s
I have wondered for a while if both the predictive and spelling 'help' these keyboard provide are getting broken because they're integrating "what most people do" to your phone.
autocorrect is like downright scary now. you have to double, triple check what you typed is what WAS typed.
Tin foil hat: Spy phone/app/browser looking at what you’re reading and adding it to your keyboard hints. That particular company was mentioned in a recently linked article about the company triggering an earthquake from fracking in northern BC, as well as being sued by the state of California.
I'd assume it was something you'd typed once (maybe while searching or a typo). I always delete those words when they come up (for me that's dragging the word up and a bin appears).
When it changes a word that you've spelled correctly and intentionally into something completely different is when I want to chuck the thing across the room.
Or when it "corrects" a word I didn't want, so I delete the part it changed and then type in what I want to say and it "corrects" it again into the same thing I just deleted. Satan could learn a thing or two from whoever invented that "feature."
I disagree. I've been using SwiftKey for years and it's decent. It's by no means mind blowing, especially given the current state of affairs with LLMs, but it's not crap.
Strongly disagree. I'm using SwiftKey, and the prediction has been awful for the last year or so. It constantly tries to force sentences on me and gives me multiple repeated words.
As an example, typing that last sentence, every time I started a word with 'm', it suggested 'more' and 'more than'. If I long press and tell it not to suggest 'more than', then select 'more', the next suggested word is 'than'.
I find that it often repeats the selected word too. Earlier I typed something like 'I did it last year' and the next suggestions were 'year' and 'year ago'.
Microsoft have shoehorned a predictive AI into SwiftKey, and it doesn't work properly.
Hmm I wonder if we just have different settings for it or use it differently. I mostly use SwiftKey these days as a fix for my terrible typing, rather than as predictive text. The predictive text is pretty bad in my opinion, but I'll tell you what SwiftKey thinks about itself below.
(prompt in bold) SwiftKey predictive text is not associated to my records and the other two phases are slack and the other two phases are slack and the other two phases are slack (end of predictions)
It seems Microsoft hasn't added GPT to it yet... Can't even remember the last time I talked about slack.
I've had SwiftKey for a long time as well. My biggest gripe is it likes to change tense/pluralization of words randomly, it seems, as well as dropping post-apostrophe letters. It entirely flips the meaning from "can't" to "can" at the worst, while also makes me seem not so smart when I say "there are 133 word in this comments".
Not crap but pretty dissapointing from the company that owns gpt.
Their big new release is the ability to to us gen. AI to create graphical stickers in your texts😔.
I think LLM integration into texting is inevitable and will be really the ideal use of this technology, but it will be quite resource taxing and might be another year or two before high quality implementation.
My experience as well!! Maybe it's not 100% accurate but it works well enough I can use it frustration free. Definitely hasn't gotten worse. My only complaint is since the ios 17 update it randomly switches back to the default keyboard until you close and open the text box again but that's not a predictive text problem.
i try to train words that i use as shorthand or slang for years it completely ignores me. i accidently end my email address .comd instead of .com once 5 years ago!! will that thing forget it no never
I miss T-9 and physical buttons. I could type out War and Peace with maybe one typo without looking at my phone once. The on-screen keyboards we've had the last ~17 years have been a huge downgrade, IMO.
My friend, I am also slightly nostalgic for the optimism and novelty of the flip phone days. I could text confidently with T9 inside a hoodie pocket during class. But my good friend there is no universe where I want to go back to T9 for the convenience and effectiveness of it. It is not quick compared to anything that came after.
For me, it averages out about the same / maybe a slight benefit for T9.
Yeah, I can type faster on a modern on-screen keyboard, but by the time i go back and correct typos, fight the cursor to get it where i want it, and double check that all the words i meant to type didn't get autocorrected into something else, I could have typed the same thing with much better precision on a T9 style and have, at most, one word to fix.
It's something of a tortoise and hare situation. lol
Never had a Sidekick, but I had several phones with similar landscape slide out / flip open keyboards. Those were the days.
My current daily driver is about 8 years old (a OnePlus 3 that's aged very gracefully thanks to LineageOS), but I do need to replace it soon. Looking at something like the Cosmo Communicator that has a full flip-open keyboard.
I’m currently learning Japanese, and one of my favorite things right now is that the “normal” phone keyboard for Japanese is basically a t9 on steroids. It gives you this grid with huge buttons, you tap a letter or swipe in a cardinal direction to get a variant. E.g., the button will show か (ka) and swiping will get you く、け、こ、き (ku, ke, ko, ki).
It is super intuitive and with like a few minutes of training I was typing faster on it than my English keyboard (albeit with my very very limited vocabulary). The buttons are so large it’s hard to miss.
I remember when you could vaguely swipe at words and they would be magically right, now swipe typing is completely useless and typing normally has maybe a 50% chance of fixing mistakes.
I literally had to move away from gboard because it refused to capitalize "I". Like this is literally the most basic thing it could do and it can't get it right. SwiftKey is only marginally better and a shadow of its former self.
I've been using gboard swiping for idk how many years now and I have no issues with it. There are some words that will less common to get right like say as vs ad or weed vs we'd but it's so quick and easy to press the erase key and then swipe it again. If you do a swipe and then erase it, I've found that it never picks that word again no matter how many reswipes until you've decided on that word and moved on. So if I did want we'd but got weed earlier, weed goes back into the normal prediction priority or whatever as soon as I've moved past we'd.
Or even if I swipe and it isn't the right word, the autocorrect/autocomplete/suggestion bar will be words very similar to the swipe motion I did. I find it has the right word in that bar (if I didn't get the right word in the first place) probably 90% of the time. Similar suggestions by swipe shape also remain for the duration of, eh... that keyboard session for lack of a better term? You lose it if you close the keyboard or switch apps. So if you're just trucking along doing your swiping and notice later that it picked a word incorrectly, you can still go back to it and have the swipe shape-based recommendations.
I have no idea if this stuff is how it works out of the box or if it's because of customization settings I did but it works really well and makes phone typing pretty easy.
Yeah, I've used swipe typing for a really long time myself, and was forced to switch to GBoard when Swype was discontinued, and I can't even begin to express how much better Swype was and I would switch back to it in a heartbeat if they came back and updated it. The accuracy was way better, going back to previous words showed you the same alternate options so you could just keep going and go back to correct when you were done... And probably best of all, it gave more than just the three alternates so it was way rarer that it didn't have the word you were looking for. Even just typing this, I'm having to stop after pretty much every word to make sure it's giving me the right thing, which slows me way down.
Typing on phone could be so much better. It was so much better.
Or how about with apple, when it autocorrects a word, and you want to manually click to the middle of the word, or even to the beginning or end, it fuckin highlights the word endlessly. That’s one of the most frustrating for me.
I’ve Al’s it entirely stopped using swype because it’s so dogshit now. I used to love it.
Fully aware of that function. As I said elsewhere, it just doesn’t come naturally to me to do that. It’s like using the arrows on a keyboard to move the cursor through text. It works, but I just use the mouse and click where I want to edit. If using the mouse didn’t work in certain instances, I’d have the same complaint. I want to click where I want, when I want. Not use a function I don’t naturally use when the computer forces me to. See what I’m saying? Doesn’t change the problem that there’s a workaround. It shouldn’t need a workaround for a super basic, incredibly common function.
My phone knows my age, my account(s) know my age, the phone maker knows my age, so please for the love of the gods stop removing my cusses. It should damn well know that I have almost never intentionally typed "ducking" and yet I often correct words to "fucking"enough to be able to learn some basic usage patterns. I'm 30 years old, stop "correcting" my text like I'm 5.
Also some really obvious words are constantly "corrected". My phone will not let me start a sentence with "We'll". It will, without fail, change it to "Well" and I have to fix it.
Yet if you want to start with well, it’ll always change itself to we’ll. Because of course. (Which I had to go back in and edit twice to make it read how I wanted, because it’s aggressive and will do what it wants even several words later, so be real fucking careful.)
Same with Wed (like Wednesday)/wed and we’d (which I originally wrote in the opposite order but when I wrote the second one it decided I wanted to change the first to match.. so fun!)
But one can’t turn off autocorrect because that’s a disaster too.. impossible to hit the right letters.
If you happen to be on an iPhone, you can add the profanities of your choosing to your dictionary manually, and it will stop autocorrecting away from them.
SwiftKey will let you say fuck cunt shit all day. I'm sure other keyboards will too but I haven't researched for a better one in a while since this one is fine.
I get so many typos now that aren't even a word. And I seriously can't even wirt proofreading anymore because it's just gotten so bad I no longer even care of I sound like I had a stroke.
Now that I think about it. Autocorrect sucks! It was made to make up for the inferiority of an onscreen keyboard (which I do prefer for this obvious reasons).
When I type on a computer keyboard, after a paragraph or a few sentences, I check if any words has a red underline and that kind of makes me proof read things as I type.
Autocorrect does the opposite, it “fixes” things you type so when you look back it’s fire and you press send.
Yeah, I don't know what happened. This stuff is supposed to reduce typos right? Instead, I type "the" and it replaces it with "Tue" randomly for no reason. Who even writes tuesday like that? It's shorthand from before your keyboard could complete it for you.
You know what's funny? You can't remove words. You can't add words directly, you have to let it learn them the hard way. Why?
At this point, I'm convinced that the steady degradation of technology over the past 6 or 7 years is deliberate, if not, and this stuff can just rot, it's evidence that we shouldn't be relying on it at all.
I finally found the setting in the keyboard to delete the words it has learned so I stop getting the stupid typos it picks instead of actual words. Of course there was no list and I had to agree to delete all learned words which now means I will have to teach it again all of the words in another language that I use regularly.
Would have highly preferred going through the list and deleting the stupid typos it saved. I agree with you that it seems deliberate.
I'm on the Google Pixel and it lets me remove words from being suggested, and only takes me a few times tapping out a word to add it to my suggestions. I use swipe and it's only gotten better and better for me.
Does it let you remove words from the dictionary or from your words that were added for you? I know you can do the latter, but the former I was under the impression was not possible.
Yeah, have exactly the same problems as you, and they started once I switched from SwiftKey to Heliboard. I'm staying on this, because it's FOSS, but Swiftkey is better, in actually letting you remove words from the dictionary, not having that weird Tue thing.
Even though gboard is a google product and probably sends a ton of data, the autocorrect has never been an issue for me personally. I can type much faster because it will always autocorrect to what I intend.
Yeah I've been very happy with Gboard recommendations, I disabled networking for the app since I'm using GrapheneOS and it still does great. Even voice to text is scary good, just have to download the model before disabling networking.
Oh how I wish the same was true for languages other than English too… autocorrect has always been borderline unusable with my (granted, smaller) language, and this is true for all of the applications of autocorrect, be it android or iOS or whatever.
I actually can't complain. It's not perfect, but I'm far from being as outraged as the OP. I used to love SwiftKey, it was amazing with text prediction, even when you had two languages on at the same time (I'm bilingual, so it was really handy). Since Microsoft bought it, it started going downhill and when I found that I can't just transfer my settings when I get a new phone, I switched to Gboard. Again, not perfect, but not terrible either. I will try out some of the recommendation from this thread though.
I don't have as much trouble with text prediction as with the existent dictionaries for my native language. "Español rioplatense" (argentina, uruguay) exists as an option for many programs and devices but for some reason, it is just a copy from "español de españa". This means, it is constantly trying to correct things that were correct on the first place.
I blame this on american racism and their small view of the world.
Also, i usually write in three languages and text prediction is pretty useful.
For me, every time it suggests the correct base word, it gets the ending wrong, so I have to type out the whole word anyway. For example, if I want past tense it'll suggest the present tense of the word.
It's all getting worse, I swear Swype worked near flawlessly fifteen years ago.
I've used iNsturalist for years to identify plants and animals. lately it doesn't know what anything is. It thought a bird was a bullfrog yesterday.
Search results, GPTs, all nearing unusability.
Yep swype around 2010-12 was the golden age of this stuff. I distinctly remember being on a bus commute being amazed how quickly I could pump out work emails, and documents on way to work on maybe an LG android smartphone with no manual invention required on spelling or grammar. Ancient times. Just typing out this comment on mobile in 2024 I’ve had to recorrect every 4th to 5th word , either I mistyped and it doesnt autocorrect correctly , or its autochanging correct words to wrong ones. I have big fingers but the phone is the higgest I’ve had. Clearly these enshittertech corporations dont make money from making better or more useful products .
Google keyboard was even better that Swype back then. Only when they started trying to make it smarter by scrubbing all our text input did it start getting worse. However they need the pretense to collect all our input so they're never going back.
If and of, in and on, so and no, these words keep getting corrected for eachother when it shouldn't. I've tried resetting auto correct to make sure I didn't teach it to do that.
Yes, fully agree. They make absolutely no sense at all.
Considering that predicting the next word from context is the one thing LLMs are really good at, I just don't understand how none of these developments have found their way into predictive keyboards.
I've actually switched to ThumbKey and while I don't think I'm faster with it (yet), it's at least so much less frustrating and that's worth a lot to me.
Considering that predicting the next word from context is the one thing LLMs are really good at, I just don't understand how none of these developments have found their way into predictive keyboards.
The problem is that LLMs require a considerable amount of computing power to run, unlike the simple markov chain predictions that keyboards use. You could use a cloud-based service like ChatGPT or something, but most people wouldn't want their keyboards to send all their keystrokes to a remote server... and even if they didn't know or care, the response time wouldn't be good enough for real-time predictions.
Now smartphone SoC makers like Qualcomm have started adding NPUs (neural processing units) with their latest chips (such as the SD8 Gen 3, featured in the most recent flagship phones), but it's going to take a while before devices with NPUs become commonplace, and it'll take a while for developers to start making/updating apps that can make use of it.
But yeah the good news is that it is coming, it's only a matter of "when" - I suspect it won't be long before the likes of SwiftKey start to take advantage of this.
In the case of Google keyboard its crap so as to push people to use the search engine and view ads. I assume its the same for Swiftkey and Bing/CoPilot
Depends - I currently use Heliboard which doesn't seem to have any problems as long as I stick to dictionary words.
Samsung's keyboard sucks though - not only would it miss obvious typos, if you made the same typo often enough, it'd start learning the "word" and autocorrecting the actual bloody spelling to the typo!
(I had a habit of swaping the i and e in their, so of course Samsung decided "thier" was what I clearly meant to type)
Man, I'm using heliboard and it has the same problems openboard had and the same problems gboard has with regard to autocorrect. And it's missing a lot of special characters, but I assume that's a work in progress.
You know what would really help the situation? You know how the spell checker underlines (or at least used to) incorrect words in red? It should underline corrected words in yellow or green or something. That way, when you're going over what you've typed, the autocorrected gibberish won't slip past you and will stand out. That would go a long way, but what would really improve it is if you could remove words from the dictionary that you don't use, and go back to however the system worked 6 years ago because it was pretty light on the frustration.
I don't know about you, but I just swiped my way through the first sentence off this reply with Google's keyboard and all I had to do was select swiped instead of the suggested settled.
They do remember common words that you use, so if you have accidentally "approved" a few misspellings they'll be suggested/given to you more often so a drastic solution to that is to clear your personalised data from the keyboard.
I don't seem to have an issue with swiping on my keyboard either except for names and abbreviations/capitalisations but then all phone keyboards struggle with that except for T9 and blackberries. I think it's a small price to pay for such fast and effortlessly swiping for 99.9% of the time.
Posting on the google store sucks, they make you jump through hoops and will collect data. If the app is already open source, there is no good reason to put it on the google play store.
Also, I don't really understand the point of the term side loading when Android doesn't prevent you to from adding other software sources. It feels like it carries connotations when all you are doing is adding a very well established open source software repository.
Gboard swiping is okay, but I agree, there are still some annoyances. Random mid-sentence capitalization is a big one for me.
And no matter how hard I try, no matter what the settings are, no matter how slowly and deliberately I motion, it will absolutely never output the word "fuck" when swiping. It will say "fucking", it will even say "fuckin", but it will never say "fuck".
I got it to type fuck just now when I started swiping from g instead of f, so it wouldn't put a d. if yours is typing guck though, that probably won't work
I turned off autocorrect/predictive text. I got so tired of the errors that I figured I was no worse off with my own typos than dealing with the frustration of having to fix and re-fix stubbornly incorrect words replacing what I meant.
It over-emphasizes the first character when guessing your word, so the most common failures are when I have a typo as the first character, it guesses something completely different
Auto-complete. I have no idea what triggers it but sometimes it just decides to use whatever it has in auto-complete when I’m just trying to keep typing. This is the second most common failure and commonly results in extra words
My favorite is how shitty voice to text has gotten over the last year as well
It's literally only gotten worse
A few days ago I tried to use it to message a friend about something cool I saw at work and it sent them a random URL because at the end of a sentence it didn't put a space it just started the next sentence
It's becoming literally useless due to random shit like that
Dude... i've been thinking about your reply here a lot since you made it, and trying to understand. Why is it worse for you than for multilingual users?
Its not like i can use Spanish suggestions better than you just because i speak more than 1 language.
I dont even speak Spanish but even if i did, i couldn't use the Spanish suggestions when writing English or any other language
I'm not a native speaker, but somehow have a bigger vocabulary than my phone. Granted, I read a lot, but you'd expect my dictionary to, well, contain the entire dictionary. Some words, it recognises one form, but not others.
I've switched to Gboard on Android back in the days, when it was the only one with proper multilingual features, and been using it ever since.
I've experienced the opposite: I actually found it rather more helpful than not, despite the occasional errors like you mentioned. But nowadays it's quite rare that it "mispredicts" a word. And what I've found extremely helpful is, that nowadays it doesn't only correct individual words, but it picks up other grammatical errors as well in the sentence. So it's working for me.
I've only ever used Gboard and I even turned off the predictive text and autocorrection features in the settings but it still changes words on me often.
I feel you. T9 on my sidekick in 2008 was better than my current predictable text. At one point my screen was so broken that I was using maybe a 1/4" sliver of the screen to text, and text prediction was solid enough to give actual suggestions
Another advantage of T9 is that alternative words were offered in a consistent order, so the most common ones could easily be memorized along with the number of button taps needed to get there. This allowed me to reliably write messages without looking at the screen at all.
I switched from Android to iPhone after they stopped making phones with QWERTY physics keyboards. I tried my partner’s iPhone and the screen typing was actually excellent. Now with HUGE version iPhones, it’s wayyyy easier for me.
I’m sure on-screen Android keyboards are VASTLY improved since then, but I don’t have any problems day-to-day shitposting all day
My transition from OnePlus 6T -> iPhone 12 Pro Max -> OnePlus 12 was the same, both times.
iPhone had really good type and haptics and predictive entry around that time...but over time I started to find it annoying. More and more often it would insist that the word I correctly entered 2-3 times is actually wrong.
I'm really happy with the keyboard on my new phone. Haptics are better, hit boxes are better, autocorrect is (generally) better, and it's pretty good about learning new words or fixing between its and it's and such.
Ayo, whatever has been making recommendations for my next few terms in Visual Studio can go straight onto my phone, that shit is accurate 90% of the time it’s sometimes a wee bit concerning
You mean autocorrect and voice to text stuff and not AI, right? Because this is one area I find the AI to actually be good at while the non-AI versions are just garbage.
Predictive typing/autocorrect has a nasty habit of changing correct words to entirely different words that do not in any way fit with the context. And I know they look at context, since it will sometimes change a word I wrote 4 words ago when I no longer even notice because I'm looking where I am writing and not 4 words ago.
I turned it off a long time ago when it started replacing entire sentences. So annoying!!
I still have the suggestions on but I might turn that off too because it keeps suggesting words in other languages even though I'm on the English keyboard and don't know much in any other language (and the only other keyboard I have is the Spanish one).
Also the dictionary doesn't have a shit ton of common words in it for some reason, so if I can't think of the proper spelling I have to look it up anyway. Which is also annoying because search engines suck and I never have a hard copy handy.
Iirc FlexT9 was ducking (nope, not fixing it this time, rofl) great for the... Galaxy S2?, but then Swype bought em out and it's been downhill ever since.
So... it's not that the tech is bad, it's that it's being hamstrung somewhere.
I use the word "fuck" a lot. I have added it many times yet it insists on babying me and trying to protect my fucking feelings by not suggesting it. Infuriating.
i have a flip phone. i don't use sms, but occasionally i make a quick note in the little 'notepad'. the good ol' tap-tap-tap is more efficient than its horrible predictive text.
Since iOS 17, I have had no problems with text input. It feels better than anything that preceded it which I used on Apple or other platforms. That is true for swiping or typing and in either of the two languages I use. I’m actually blown away by how good it is sometime, correcting words based on the clause around it.
I also have an S10 Lite that I keep up to date. The native input there is okay, but not nearly as accurate.
HTC had one of the best keyboards. Each key had 2 letters on each key (except 1 or 2 that had 3) and it never failed to guess what word I wanted. Stopped working with android 4 IIRC.
If it has the word auto in it i tend to disable, remove or uninstall it. I get frustrated by every half baked implemenation to predict, correct or actson my behalf.
The only thing i mostly tolerate is auto suggest in programming IDEs. But that is on thin ice. The second it hijacks the input system its done.
TBH, Microsoft’s Swiftkey was pretty decent before they started adding Bing AI bullshit. I’ve since switched to Apple’s default keyboard and it’s painful.
I dont like autocorrect both for privacy reasons (though there might be open source ones) and for accuracy reasons. I dont want something else to write for me what it thinks I want to say. (Hence I'm using a customized keyboard in florisboard beta which looks almost the same as gboard.😌)
People love to hate Rowling, but her descriptions of magic are very perceptive as predictions of computing.
Like in this case. Both Skeeter with her magic quill (LLM as it is) and the spell-checking quills (I think Ron liked that he could write much faster with those at first, so either he's as smart as a neanderthal, or they "improve" not only orthography).
And Snape's invented spells and how he doesn't really like their popularity remind me of script-kiddies.
I think I've read a fanfic where Hogwarts was converted into some kind of a "school for hackers" (in that early 00s spirit, think Lara Croft and Spy Kids movies). The universe was generally the same, only magic was replaced with that.
I really don't get people who express their inability to understand something without a specific question. As if being dumb were something to be proud of.
Hard disagree. I'm using g board, from Alphabet, which is about as concerned with privacy as a nudist exhibitionist with a shame kink. That is to say, privacy as a concept exists yes, but only to be perverted.
The only comfort is that I'm not the only one with random capitalization in my texts