I said from the beginning that the tpm 2.0 requirement was a way to make people buy new pc's. Good news for me who wants a laptop upgrade.
Or get a new laptop and switch to Linux!
That's what I'm doing. Framework for the win
I'm waiting for decent support for the snapdragon x elite chips. From what i can tell from discourse online it's still a very rough experience with linux.
I don't want to drop £1500 on a laptop i can't really use.
You should have thrown Windows away at the beginning of the century.
What a coincidence - I stopped supporting it too!
Recycling it is actually a very good suggestion
Or reusing, perfectly functional hardware doesn't need to be gotten rid of
Give it to me and it won't take a single joule of energy to recycle plus it's still useful
I'm trying but the girlfriend refuses. She watches YouTube on the TV and does everything else on her phone; literally only uses the laptop to play The Sims 4 (which her 1080ti can handle just fine), yet she's convinced that she will need a brand new gaming machine with a 4090/5090 as soon as Microsoft dumps WIn10. She's afraid that she'll completely break the OS if she switches to Linux. (Which is plausible, though unlikely.
I'm hoping she'll change her mind as soon as she realizes just how much more GPUs cost these days, especially mobile ones.
Create a live USB stick and demonstrate it to her, without deleting Windows. Bonus points if you rice the fuck out of it with some kawaii shit for your GF and make Sims 4 work with Wine.
Use an immutable distro so even if she breaks it it's easily fixed
I have Linux on a jumpdrive can I install it on my main drive without it effecting my other drives?
It's called dual-booting, and yes there are so many tutorials availiable. But you have to be a little more careful in that process. I do dualboot but almost never uses windows. I have heard situation where windows updates messing linux installs on same drive. The safest route might be to do what others suggested but it is possibe to install that way. Be careful with partitioning and formatting. You also have to determine the sizes for each partitions yourself too
I think so?
Weird hill to die on perhaps; but I'll never forgive Microsoft for arbitrarily deciding to not support my Core i7 6700K 4Ghz CPU on Windows 11.
Simply because: I cannot find a single actual technical reason why it wouldn't be compatible (yes, my mobo also has TPM). It's even higher specced than many other 'supported' chips.
MS apparently just decided I hadn't spent enough money lately. Well now I won't - on your products - ever again, while this i7 will continue to run Win 10 for games and Linux for all else.
assuming you use steam, see which of your favorite games run with proton compatability layer and which absolutely require windows. You may be suprised.
I run everything on steam with proton that I did on my windows PC, nothing was left behind. If you 'add a game' from outside steam, you can run the installer and then change the game location to the executable. Ubuntu or Ubuntu mate are what I install on everything. Recommend.
WINE works surprisingly well too. I've seen people talk about gaming on Linux using Lutris or launching it through Steam as a "Non-Stean game" but I just put my files in my WINE directory and have better success.
Gaming is great on Linux nowadays btw. I installed Fedora a few weeks ago and haven't had a single problem with any of my games - I'm getting better framerates, too.
My GPU runs out of memory if I try to play DRG on linux (fedora), Zerotier and XLink Kai run but won't connect or plainly don't work inside the games I've tried with, and the mumble server just won't work (even using the docker) because it seems my motherboard's network isn't compatible or something, so if I want to use Linux I'd have to upgrade my pc anyway.
Gaming on Linux has taken huge steps, but I'd hardly call the current state as great, it's ok and improving, but still requires tinkering and knowledge beyond just turning it on, installing and using... And something might not work because fuck you.
I have that same issue. My older laptop barely misses the cutoff, even though everything meets the requirements except the cpu. I have a newer laptop with Win11, and the old one runs circles around it. It's faster and has way more RAM, yet somehow won't run 11? I'm going to keep it and just run Linux instead. I'll use the crappy Win11 lappy just for MS office and keeping papers from blowing off my desk.
I'm in a similar boat. My computer meets all of the other requirements like TPM and whatnot, yet they are arbitrarily deciding that my processor is too old. And for some reason you can walk into your local computer store and buy a laptop with the shittiest processor and other specs possible that somehow runs Windows 11. Just because the processor on the new shitbox was manufactured more recently. Ridiculous.
It boils down the CPU microarchitecture
I figured it was related to the hardware architecture, but I'm curious if this is for security reasons (potential exploits that the OS can't resolve) and/or just a support bandwidth concerns managing 2 OS code bases (on top of the obvious revenue from new licenses).
If the hardware security isn't the issue, then switching to Linux is a good money saving choice for those that are tech savvy.
Before you recycle your Windows 10 PC (or just switch to Linux and avoid wasting resources), keep in mind while Windows 10 22H2 is ending in 7 months, 21H2 LTSC Enterprise is still good for 1 year 10 months:
https://endoflife.date/windows
To download the 21H2 LTSC, go here:
https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_202301
Then generate a free license key using the Ohook or KMS38 methods via PowerShell as explained here:
Disclaimer: I haven't tried this myself so there may be some bugs/issues along the way. For my next laptop, I'm thinking about switching to Linux and specifically Ubuntu or Fedora, so this won't really impact me
Ubuntu user here. I get glitches from time to time, and the newest update caused a more than small issue with booting. However, compared to the litany of glitches, bloatware, and user-anti-interface of Windows, I'll sing the praises of Ubuntu all day long. Even the few games I play, like Cyber Punk, run perfectly.
Time to encourage people to switch to Linux instead
I can't get the more elaborate functions of my common Logitech mouse to work properly. And Linux systems like to cause my computer to periodically hang for some reason. In Windows, it used to BSOD, and I managed to fix the issue in Windows but it seems impossible for me to fix in Linux because of how vague of an issue it is.
As much as I dislike Windows, it's incredibly uncommon for it to blue screen unless there's some kind of hardware fault. And if it's happening in Linux too, you've got bad/dying hardware.
In Linux, if your system is hanging for a bit then coming back, then it's probably a drying hard drive.
One thing you can check with is Burn In Test on Windows. It will stress all the individual components and tell you what's failing.
If Linux had more support for games I would
I'm not a huge gamer myself but the handful of games I do like to play every now and then all run on Linux.
I've been gaming on Linux for close to two years now. I believe there have been two games that actually caused some issues in getting them to run. But for the most part Proton does everything out of the box. And especially older games work way better than on Windows. There are no problems with compatibility mode or deprecated WinAPI-Calls. It just works.
The only thing I would advise is to install Steam and all your other launchers via Lutris. That will save you some hassle.
What games don't work?
Most of the time, the issue is the drm on games or anticheat.
Ironically SteamOS is based on Arch Linux lol
Real, Valorant is the only game really keeping me from Linux at this point. Steam with proton has really improved linux gaming
Dude......c'mon now. Check my history. I am NOT a linux defender. I am more along the lines of a linux user mocker. I find the OS to be confusing, but I find the userbase to just be SO.....SO mockable. Just making fun of linux brings them out in droves. And it's so funny to point out how the whole OS is clearly terminal mandated to enjoy the OS. Just say something like that, and you'll twist somebodies knickers.
That being said, of all the things that are legitimately awful about linux, you chose the GAME SUPPORT??? My god. Steam is THE storefront on PC. They have a vested interest in helping linux's development, as long as that development goes towards making games work. The steamdeck is literally their financial incentive to make certain that your claim isn't close to being true.
And sure, you could say you disagree with Steam's practice of LICENSING you a game. Not selling. There is a difference. I get it. That is something that is in itself a problem, but that also doesn't relate to your issue. Because even if you stayed on Windows, you'd still have to buy from Steam. They're just as dominant on Windows, as they are on linux.
So, you COULD buy from GOG. The issue is, they specialize in retro games. So, their library may have massive gigantic gaps in titles. But again, this would also be true on Windows.
So.......yeah, I don't know how you would defend linux game support being lackluster.
Check out distros like Pop!_OS or Nobara. Linux gaming has come a long way recently due to Valve going all in on linux for the Steam Deck. Frankly even just the standard mainline distros aren't terrible for gaming these days tbh.
something something windows ltsc versions
Ugh. I'm going to have to seriously look at Linux, aren't I?
Absolutely no idea where to start with that, nor whether any of the software I need for work (or indeed anything else) is compatible, not how I'm going to find the time to learn all this.
Bleugh 😔
Installed mint on an older computer I had so my oldest daughter could have a pc for school. She has had zero problems using it.
The Linux community here on Lemmy is extremely helpful but as a complete novice I've found ChatGPT to be quite useful tool for this as well. I can ask it how to do something and if I run into trouble I can just take a picture of the terminal window and it'll tell me where the issue is.
People would probably advice not to insert code into terminal, given by an LLM that you don't even understand but the alternative is to put that same blind faith onto a stranger on a messaging board. In my experience the options are either to do that or not use Linux at all - unless you first spend few years learning it all yourself.
Ubuntu is the typical go-to replacement for Windows as it's arguably more plug-and-play than other distros.
alternativeto.net is a great place to find Linux alternatives to the software you use. Many products already work on Linux without switching, but some areas might be more difficult. For example depending on your needs you might not find a great drop-in replacement for Photoshop.
you might not find a great drop-in replacement for Photoshop.
I'm not a photoshop user, so maybe I'm just being dumb and not getting it, but....isn't that gimp? I remember that one because the program name "gimp" made me laugh first time I heard it. It's like a BDSM thing, and then you're like "Oh, it's photoshop? My mind went a totally different direction..."
If nowhere else, make a post on NoStupidQuestions and I'm sure there's a few people that will help. I made a reply here suggesting raspberry pi os as a good starting point. No command line skills needed and quite a bit of software is available free from Debian (Linux which raspi os is created from).
The user interface is similar with a start menu etc.
If you've got a spare PC, I'd use it as a guinea pig system first before moving onto the main system.
Is your hardware not W11 compatible or you just don't want to upgrade? Because you can just install the pro version (ISO on Microsoft's website) and choose English UK during installation and that will solve most issues... I'm sure you're able to figure out how to get it activated ;)
It's compatible, but I don't want to go to W11. Plus, I've been thinking for a while that I should check out Linux, but just never have the time.
Time to Linux it up!
Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built
They've been saying that about every single one since that notoriously insecure one. ME, I think?
Also, I'm pretty sure that Tiny11 or the like is more secure if you consider data privacy important, since a lot of the privacy issues of Windows 11 are coming from the unnecessary parts of Windows itself..
I mean, one would hope that whenever there is a new version it's more secure than the last one. Not that it's true, but that's how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.
that's how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.
As long as you consider every claim Microsoft makes to be either a lie or inherently unprovable until the opposite is proven, that is. Which you should tbh.
most secure windows.jpg
I mean, Tiny11 both is and isn't Windows, depending on whether you count "Windows 11 with everything but the bare essentials optional" as "Windows" 🤷
Isn't Windows 10 suppose to be the last Windows release? We changed our minds.
Correction: it's MY last Windows release. I invite it to be yours too.
Cue the people freaking out about 'ERM well only if it's an offline machine' lol
That was never mentioned in an official Microsoft communication.
"Technically" lol I think one of their corp guys said it, but never endorsed it as a position.
"Trade it"
TO FUCKING WHOM? The whole point is that you made it useless.
(Unless this is Microsoft providing some free advertising for Linux)
SELL IT TO WHO, BEN? AQUAMAN???
Probably going to be a ton of cheap used computers on the market in the near future for installing Linux on
Every now and then a little devil on my shoulder says "you should set up a cluster computer that serves a secondary function as a smart space heater" and it's gonna be really hard to ignore if the deals are good enough.
Oh good. My PC is actually 11 years old. The hard drive died a few months ago. So I replaced the 3.5inch sata 7200rpm drive with an enclosure that holds 2 2.5inch drives. I'm using solid state for the first time. I was able to clone my Windows 7 drive to a solid state drive. It works even better than the original drive.
But! That enclosure makes it so that I can just turn off the PC, eject the drive, insert a different drive, and now I'm on an entirely different OS. It's my first time using linux.....it still sucks, but it's useable. Last time I tried linux was right before I bought this PC 11 years ago. I tried using linux on a PC that previously was running Windows XP. I couldn't even get it to boot. Now things generally work, but it has BEEN a constant struggle, and a constant learning experience.
Trade it in.
In other words, someone may be willing to pay you for parts, rather than you just getting nothing for it (recycling).
They are not going to recommend you use an alternative OS, and probably not because they're worried about market share, but because they then have some responsibility for every time a person fucks up a Linux install.
I mean, what do you expect them to say?
"Time to install Linux, here's how you chose a kernel:"
Instructions unclear, now I'm using the Windows terminal to launch Ubuntu and also have it running in Hyper-V. How does that help me if my windows is out of support? /s
On the one hand, rare Microsoft w to help users transition to their competitor.
On the other, they kinda yadda yadda over probably the biggest and most important part: choosing which of the billion distros is best for your needs and preferences..
I took the last message I got from them as an invitation to ditch Windows for Linux. Now I wish I did that earlier!
They're not even ashamed of intentionally creating e-waste for people that don't know that Linux exists
Theyre not ashamed of anything
Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built, with comprehensive end-to-end security
Does "end-to-end security" actually mean anything in this context, or is it just intended to evoke "end-to-end encryption"?
That entire sentence is unintelligible marketing drivel.
"How is Windows 11 more secure?"
"It just is! Promise!"
By "end-to-end" they refer to how deep they fuck you in terms of security.
It says 'comprehensive' can't get more clear than that, right? Right?
Infuriating for sure. People can’t afford groceries or rent and Microsoft chooses to ride in with a, by the way, your computer needs to go, just buy a new one, k?
For those who is not quite ready for Linux and don't want to be left behind, you have options.
Do a search for Tiny11. It's super lightweight and you can set what you want to share with MSFT.
Old machines can run as well.
This is just replacing one unsupported OS with another?
unsupported by microsoft
I would highly avoid getting Windows from anywhere but Microsoft. That's just asking for trouble.
Instead install Windows 11 Pro and then go though and remove the unnecessary apps. Then use group policy to tweak the system in a way you are happy with. You can do everything from disabling Bing search in start to preventing full screen popups from Edge.
Some of us have older processors that is more powerful than some current gen processors yet Microsoft decided that it's too old and won't let you install it.
Tiny11 is a community driven OS. I have been using it for years and has never given me any problems. If your computer is not able to legitimately upgrade to Win11, you can either spend money to buy a newer computer or install Tiny11.
“But don’t learn about Windows 10 LTSC IoT!”
if i remember correctly, some ltsc versions will get updated until 2029
"Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021" should be getting 10 years of updates, so until 2031.
IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 - until 2032 - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-iot-enterprise-ltsc-2021
recycle it
Haha, like in the landfill or the incinerator?
No no no
You dump it in some third world country, out of sight out of mind
Yeah once windows 10 is done I'm moving to Linux. Use mint on the laptop but I'll install it on my main PC unless valve launches steam os
I recommend you to use a regular Linux distro for your PC, SteamOS is always going to focus on handheld devices which may not provide de best possible experience for desktop. Bazzite seems to be the hot Linux gaming distro at the moment, it's based on Fedora (my personal favorite, also a good option for gaming IMO). Maybe, give this one a try ?
I want steamOS too, but Ive been dual booting bazzite for a couple of weeks and I love it.
They act like the computer's just going to stop working or something... People are going to use win 10 out of support for years.
E: specifically note, please, that i said "act". I'm aware they state it will keep working in the little FAQ.
People in these comments act like the computer will just stop working.
There are lots of IT/SysAdmin on Lemmy so their work will have to switch. I think their concern/sentiment gives others the impression that personal PC owners will also have to switch.
Anything but the penguin😂
What about the pengwings
I'm getting annoyed with windows.. I have a small laptop I like to use for streaming, and the stupid updates keep on maxing out the drive space.. It is 32gb, and i can't get it to download the updates on an external drive. I wish they'd have an option to turn off automatic updates, and just let me do a single click and download the updates manually to an external drive so i can have a usable goddamn computer.
Microsoft claimed that Windows is compatible with 32gb drives but that's not actually true. Those will get automatically filled by winsxs updates within a few hours. It's impossibile to use one of those windows mini PC with a 32gb emmc unless you exclusively use it offline for typing with a word processor.
All those $100 32gb emmc "computers" available on Amazon are just "direct to landfill" ewaste
I have the exact same problem. I've maxed out my hardrive and every week or so it complains that there's no storage space and I'm like, I HAVEN'T DOWNLOADED OR INSTALLED ANYTHING IN MONTHS, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS YOU SHITTY OS! So I delete some stuff so it will continue to operate, maybe free up 1 or 2gb, and then a few weeks later it's full again.
There also isn't space to install Windows 11 😑 I only use it for DJing and I'm not sure you can run Rekordbox on Linux but I need to find out.
Meh, I just saw this banner on my Win 10 desktop, which is not compatible with Win 11, I'll just put Linux on it.
The only thing turning. To waste is the motherboard right? It sucks, but throw out a whole computer because of a motherboard is a wacky move.
The only thing turning to waste is the OS. You can still use anything else fine.
Well if you have to throw out the motherboard, there’s a high chance you have to replace the cpu too.
The problem is more the CPU than the motherboard. But upgrading the CPU might also mean upgrading the motherboard and maybe RAM.
Might also be ram compatibility problems
That’s assuming the user knows that and didn’t just buy a prebuilt tower from Costco, and that it isn’t a laptop or something where changing the motherboard is much harder if not impossible.
They aren't wrongDon't blame them for Microsoft cutting supportWhoops my bad
This is from Microsoft
Oh I somehow missed that
I upgraded to Windows 11 it's not that bad.
I was forced to downgrade my computer from 10 to 11 and it's absolutely garbage. It's a literal downgrade in almost every way.
One of my win11 machines can't even open the file explorer. It worked right up until I got an 'update', and I've been unable to open it since. Got to access all my files through the command line now, which, I mean, I can do, but it's still a PITA.
Honestly it is better than Windows 10. When it first launched it was bad but now that it has been a few years it is much better.
I for one will be looking forward to getting mid-spec PCs dirt cheap.
Try Linux on it, specifically have a crack at raspberry pi os first. https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/ . See the section for Raspberry pi desktop for PC and mac .
Ah, got a little bit worried there, no linux propaganda in a whole bunch of replies!
Mint is so cool BTW, it's like XP/Seven, it just works.
That's insane
