I really want to like Lemmy
I really want to like Lemmy
I hate big tech controlling social media. I desperately want social media to be federated.
I really love community-driven social media like Reddit. Lemmy feels… too small. I really loved that Reddit let me jump into any niche hobby, and instantly I had a community. Lemmy, you’ll be lucky if that community even exists, and if it does, chances are nobody has posted in ages.
On the other hand, Lemmy is full of political content lately. I’ve basically been doom scrolling everything US election-related, and it’s really starting to take a toll on my mental health.
I know I can filter content. I know I can post and be the change I seek. Yet, it feels like an uphill battle.
Not sure what the point of this is, or if it’s even the right community to vent about this. I just really want to replace Reddit, but I find myself going back more and more (e.g. r/homekit is very active compared to Lemmy version).
Here's something I learned, don't be afraid to block. Political sub you don't want? blocked. Person shouting about China in a cat sub? blocked.
Also add blacklisted keywords, it cuts down on politics a ton
We have to be the thing we want to see out in the world. If we want open source communities and an internet free of corporate influence then we have to do the work required to build them. It's not going to happen by magic.
Well you should come hang out with us at Out of Context Comics! Not a lot of politics but a lot of gay innuendo. A lot.
Love it! Subscribing
Welcome aboard!
Lurk on Reddit. Post on Lemmy.
hell yeah
Well Lemmy is a possible replacement for Reddit but, putting aside my strong biais for Lemmy, it doesn't have to be a Reddit replacement for everyone and it is still building itself up. Here is a few tips to improve your time in hope you'll find on the fediverse the space you look for :
- Try write post on dead looking community. Follower counts have a hard time synchronizing btw instances. A lot of people may be waiting for some activity to happened.
- Try opening niche community in their original instance. The posts wrote on a distance community before the first lemming of your instance opens it are invisible and must be added one by one (by entering it URL in your instance search function). You might found interesting content you missed.
- Try reposting content you see on Reddit on Lemmy. Copy-Paste it and add something like "R*eddit content - OP : @[email protected]" somewhere in the post. You might not have as much response as OP but it can stir up interesting conversation.
- Try to make an account on the twittoverse (Mastodon, *key...). The community on the microblogging side of the fediverse is much bigger and diverse. You will be able to boost your lemmy content and link it to hashtag so more people may see it. Answer to the original post will even show up on Lemmy. But second level comments will not fediverse well.
- Try to post articles, general question or to do anything to bring some animation to your niche community. Regularity in low engagement content will still bring people that will sooner or later start to engage.
- Don't hesitate to crosspost any related post to your favorite community. Community are silos, instances are silos and the lemming populating is very fragmented. By linking communities together, you'll bring people with the same hobbies than you to the community they did not find out yet. -Don't hesitate to answer at old post. Us lemmings don't have enough activity to complain about people writing back months later, especially in niche community.
Cheers!
Thank you for taking the time to write a thorough and actionable response! Great tips!
You're welcome
I like lemmy because I can't doomscroll
You're right in one sense; the community is small and can have an echo chamber effect like any "small village." But you can also try other instances, or other Fediverse things or start your own. It goes like this; Reddit had success because they served you interesting things on a silver platter, using extensive venture capital to make it as slick and addictive and popular as possible. Lemmy is not built on capital, at least not on the same scale as Reddit; it is built on labor. You gotta decide what your ideal is.
Yeah I want to get off Reddit but this place is small and is very political. It's a tiny echo chamber. A very very small one.
Imagine taking the technical and stubborn creme of the crop redditors and that's who's mostly on lemmy. It used to be those who wanted an open source community, but it got it's user bumps during the reddit exodus. I would have never heard of lemmy if it wasn't for the fact I used reddit exclusively through the redditsync app. And when that shut down I came here naturally on the backbone of the developer going here.
I've been here since. The community isn't bad. I still get responses on niche things like gardening and fish tank related issues I had. It's just 3 comments vs 30. But somehow it's better. Because on reddit I can't even get a post posted half the time, and the other half I find out I'm banned from that sub because of a comment I made years ago on a completely unrelated post on a sub I don't even know.
It's still a tiny echo chamber like it was a couple months ago when I cut back on Lemmy use. It can get pretty repetitive and boring to read. I came back to Reddit because the user base was larger and there were more perspectives I could hear from.
I am still using both. I have never been a big poster, but I like to think I can engage in discussion on just about anything,except Linux, and I really try (but fail) to avoid political shit, and so I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
But I'll keep coming back, I'll hopefully contribute in some mental way to the growth, and perhaps niche subs can grow in popularity. One of my personal favorite subs on Reddit is homeimprovement, and it's simply a matter of quantity as far as getting it just as good here.
Unfortunately, there's no easy way around it. Fediverse is small, and while we should always encourage people's migration, it will probably remain small for the time being.
And freedom to express everything combined with people learning their behavior on algorithmic content will be an issue until a strong Fediverse culture is established. The times of pioneers are over, the times of "truly a place for everyone" are not yet there, and in between, we have a very weird mixture, sometimes bringing out the worst of many people.
I hope Fediverse will survive through this phase, and if yes, bright times will be ahead. But it will take a lot of work. Many non-political communities have already started blocking political content, and for the time being, I believe that's for the better. People need a place to chill and have a corner of their own, not face what they ran away from in the first place.
From small seeds... I had noticed a huge improvement regarding lemmy posts and threads, before the US election, and then it all kind of went backwards.
But if you have any questions about anything - niche or otherwise, you should post them on lemmy, helping it to grow faster. Even if the answers can already be found in other community forums.
You should get specific replies to your question anyway, but also anyone coming behind you won't have to go to reddit or any other place for the answer. It requires everyone to help, but questions are the fastest way to grow in most cases. Not including the likes of subs that can post original content, A TON of reposts on them too, but some OC. But mainly asking for help with anything should get people with knowledge on the subject replying. With the idea that eventually many answers can be found here without having to go elsewhere. Start 'spamming' your genuine questions now..i would also like to like lemmy.
Unfortunately it's userbase seems to have a fairly significant infection of stupidity. (also the lemmy platform is just, underbaked, in general)
But i'm starting to think my standards of not being completely uneducated and spouting literal bullshit on things, is too high for most of the population...
I think i just have a problem with all of humanity, to be honest.
Reading the comments here made me realize something.
It’s nice to have good content for niche communities that you enjoy but that’s always been a tall order. As in, a lot of things have to go right to get that organic community feeling and I’ve honestly always thought of it as a privilege and not a right.
I’ve seen plenty of communities die for various reasons or just been in a position where I didn’t have passion to go and talk about my niche interests.
So what’s my point? Niche communities are the icing on the cake of a good platform. When we mostly have for profit platforms and little main stream interest in standardized alternatives, you got to be more realistic.
Yes Lemmy is smaller and doesn't have instantly fully formed communities. Reddit has been around for almost 2 decades. Lemmy is newer, smaller, and actively fights the sorts of shenanigans that Reddit initially used to get big.
If you want more niche activity, make posts and interact with posts. Lemmy is user driven- that means you. It isn't a giant megasite where you can just expect to be a passive receiver of endless content.
I once read somewhere that mentioned how Lemmy is actually bigger than reddit was at the same age. I don't know if that is true or not but that's pretty cool if it is and I think it means Lemmy is on a good track.
The difference was that Digg used to be the site. Then Digg ticked off all their users and 90% of them migrated to reddit, which was already available.
Reddit had its dumpster fire moment over the last couple years, but there was no available place for everyone to quickly migrate over to other than Lemmy, and it didn't really happen. Lemmy is a bit harder to get used to and figure out, so we missed out on a huge migration.
So its doubtful that lemmy will ever expand out like reddit did. Not for a long time, anyhow. It will be great if we make it to a couple million active users. At that point, I'd be totally content. Things get too sloppy once you go over 10 million users, it seems.
I was their in reddit beginning. There were no initial shenanigans. It was a good place and existed at just the right time, when people wanted to leave Digg because it was turning into a dumpster fire, similar to what reddit has done.
When reddit started turning to shit there just wasn't anything for the masses to migrate to that was available other than here. Problem is that here isn't as simple to get into. In lemmy, the learning curve is slightly higher than "bare minimum".
On Lemmy you feel like your voice is heard more because it's smaller, IMO.
I hear you dude! 😜
I know I can filter content. I know I can post and be the change I seek. Yet, it feels like an uphill battle.
It doesn't look like you mentioned subscriptions, which gets you out of the 'all' / 'filtering' side of things entirely. But just as with Reddit, you'll need to spend time building your personal feed over time and tweaking it.
The good news is that there's no limit to your subscriptions (unlike Reddit's cap of 50 displayed at any one time), but that you'll need to use the right tools to search the Fediverse to find those communities you want to subscribe to.
The main tool I typically use seems to have a bug right now (based on the recent software upgrade?) but I suspect will be back up in a few days. You might take a look at this, tho, plus other resources.
Cath 22 ? If you cant be ass'd moving why would others, you're just enabling the enshitifcation to continue
Community is what you make it.
Use one of the apps so you can filter out content. "Trump, Trump's, Republicans, Musk" seems to take care of the problem so far.I think I have some communities blocked and maybe a user or two aswell.
I don't want another app. I use lemmy exclusively in the browser, and that feature is missing :(
You should check out something like Tesserect, it's a 3rd party front end for Lemmy that includes a lot of quality of life features, including word filtering. The demo is here: https://tesseract.dubvee.org/
If you like it, you could petition lemmy.world to offer it as an option directly.
Try using one of the PWA's, like Voyager. Just go to vger.app in your browser. It's still a browser-based front end, but it has more features than the default interface
Yeah, I withheld using an app until very recently for that exact feature. I miss the browser for other features though, not sure what to do. I'm using connect, maybe I'll try a couple others or some other solution.
I like it as a platform but the userbase just isn't there.
Don't let your desire for something you want right now ruin something you can have in the future. At one point r/homekit didn't exist, didn't stop you from not caring.
I know I can post and be the change I seek.
Imo, this is your answer. I'm not sure exactly what other solution you want. Content will not appear on Lemmy without someone first posting it. Advertising the platform to help draw people in is also important.
The timing of it all just didn't add up. Reddit started small, too. By the time Reddit failed, Fediverse was still in its infancy, and the communities either stayed in corporate hell or found somewhere else.
It's all I have for proper threading. I won't forgive Reddit for how they treated me and my communities. But, if you are willing to use Reddit, I'm sure it's going the have user advantage (and because of that niche interest advantage) for quite a while. I hope it serves your needs and brings you joy.
You might try building a community here, but that is the "slow boring of hard wood" and it can be difficult to find joy in, especially at first.
you gotta realize reddit didn't just "appear" one day with those obscure niche topics built out. There is a network effect large communities have. We need hundreds of thousands more members before that is possible.
I think you probably weren't there for early reddit, but most of the active posters here on Lemmy were. It was tiny. Like Lemmy.
You can't force those niche communities to exist here. It doesn't work. But what you can do is post and create valuable content. and eventually we may get there.
It's so weird to me that people are so spoiled today that they feel inconvenienced when there isn't limitless content in their niche fields of interest being served to them on a platter every single day.
Those of us who remember the before times can tell you that the absolute best of a platform comes before that point. I'm sure it's lovely getting your full every single second, but the best conversation, the best education, the best introspection comes when you're allowed a few minutes between stimuli to think.
I feel like "Old woman yells at cloud" but I really feel like our younger folks who crave endless, mindless interaction, don't know what they miss out on.
I can't blame them, because they've been conditioned to be consumers of content. While they idealize creators, they also put up barriers in their minds as the the level of quality a given comment, piece of content, whatever, needs to achieve before getting involved.
I try and think of Lemmy as the equivalent of the Linux. We're just going to have lower adoption because there isn't a corporate juggernaut behind us promoting this thing.
But if people really want to know why reddit was able to become reddit, it happened here yesterday with cats. It's bean memes. Its Stör. Its us developing culture of our own as a community.
So its fine. I'm not too worried. We're doing great.
Maybe that’s part of it, but it’s not just that.
For example, I preordered a Nanoleaf Sense+ switch, which just shipped for everyone on the preorder. I’m excited to hear other people’s experiences with the product as it uses direct communication with lights via the Thread network.
If I go to Reddit’s r/nanoleaf, there are enough members that I see people posting about Sense+ within a few days of the product shipping.
And it’s not just consuming. I want to help people set up the switch too. For example, Nanoleaf has a very confusing menu in the app that took me a while to figure out. I saw someone else with the exact same issue and left a helpful comment.
Yeah, the reason I like Lemmy is because it reminds me of old reddit. Like old old reddit, before the Digg migration.
Seeing all the cats made me realize that we need to all participate to make the community what we want it to be. It’s clear to me there are a lot of lurkers based on the influx of cat pictures. The more we start posting in ANY instance the more visibility there will be for active users.
the cats
The voids whence the content shall come!
A lot of focus is put onto posting, but I like to encourage commenters. I'll post and respond all day, but if nobody is interacting, it's going to stay quiet. Put the quiet to your advantage by doing things like:
If you like an image, say what you like about it. Lately, I've been having people talk about how they really have been enjoying dawn/dusk pictures, so I've been collecting more of that so I can post what people are in the mood for. It gives me good feedback, it gives people a chance to agree or disagree with you, and you got to participate.
Do you ask anyone any question? Take advantage of the relative quiet. With not having a million comments on every post, I have plenty of time to give you really detailed answers. I got asked how to differentiate between 2 animals yesterday, and I had time to make a nice visual guide, highlighting key differences and giving multiple visual examples of potential variations while still simplifying the process of identification. If there's a million people talking like on Reddit, it's hard to give people that much attention, but here it's easy. I pretty much take time to respond to every comment.
Don't be afraid to go off topic. Rules seem to be looser in many communities because of the low post count. This week, I posted something from a country with a different language, and I ended up having 3 days of conversation with a native speaker who filled me in on tons of subtleties of the language pertaining to our niche topic. I got to learn so much, and they got to learn a few things about English.
I feel you have to do something to have a good time here, but it needn't be to post multiple things every day, but it's more than just up or downvoting something like you can get away with on Reddit. We're too small for you to have a free ride. But make someone laugh. Let them know that you liked their post with a short comment. If you don't like it, say hey, do you have any content on such and such instead. Make a post saying, hey, what's your thoughts on this? It doesn't need to be something groundbreaking or insightful, you just need to give a sign of life so we know you're here, and one of us will probably talk back to you.
Interact enough like that, and you may find what you enjoy doing, if that turns out to be posting, or you become the resident expert on a topic even if you're not an expert, being a serial commenter, or whatever it may be. It's a great opportunity if you make it one because it is so easy to get attention here if you try.
I'm not typically a social person, but being here has let me talk about what I want, when I want, and somebody will listen to it, and I can ask about things I want to know and get answers. There's much less shouting into the void like at Reddit. Play Lemmy to its strengths and you will find enjoyment. And if you don't like it, go to where you're happy. Nobody's going to hate you if you split time between here and Reddit.
I agree with you. It's disheartening when you see something you want to talk about and the comments are empty.
Or when you comment and no one else ever chimes in.
Yup, my questions in the Maori article have been up for 24 hours now, so time for people in that part of the world with direct knowledge had time to see it. My comments and questions got 7 upvotes, so other people seem interested in some more elaboration, but the thread is probably dead.
Someone's leaving an audience that wants more hanging, and nobody even gave a yes or no saying if my understanding of the article was right. 😮💨
I'll post and respond all day, but if nobody is interacting, it's going to stay quiet.
Well I just wanted to respond because I'm also trying to comment as much as I can and even post every now and again. But the issue I've seen is Lemmy draws a certain kind of person, which means a lot of like minded people in the comments. I see your response here, read it, like it and then think: "Yes I agree, nothing to add". So I don't respond, which makes it feel pretty quiet.
Another thing I've seen is not a lot of people even bother opening posts, they just scroll through the feed, get their dopamine and that's it.
not a lot of people even bother opening posts
I'm a bit inclined to agree with this. I try to do the equivalent of the XKCD hover text, where you have to click through to get some of the good stuff. If you aren't clicking through to the comments, you're going to miss a lot of good stuff. Photo sets, photography tips, stories, fun facts. I try not to have the pic and title be the whole thing. But I'll have 100 upvotes on the post pic, and maybe 10 on any bonus pics inside.
With some news posts, they feel like a RSS feed. Just a link to an article and nothing else. I may read it or I may not. There's no initial comment or question to interact with. I don't even know if it's a bot posting or not that way. If all you offer is a Reuters link, I could have just gone to Reuters and gotten the headline myself. I feel these posts have little value until they start collecting comments.
“Yes I agree, nothing to add”
This is a common response I get when I try to get people to comment more. There can still be value to add to something like this though. Why do you agree? Did you agree before you read the post/comment? Do you have any caveats to your agreement? If you haven't always agreed, what changed your mind? What part of what they said, or the chart/pic/stat they shared really stood out or was unexpected? You may agree, but you're still a different person with a different background and different adjacent ideas.
Example from today: Pic of flying owl. Comment was basically I like all these recent pics of flying owls. On the surface, not the deepest comment ever. Buuuuuut, someone took the time to respond to a post, so I know they liked it enough to make effort. Makes me feel good knowing I motivated someone enough to respond, keeps me motivated to post again. I also learned that a specific type of content really got them interested. I know to look for more of it. Then I took the time to respond in kind, because their effort deserves recognition. I said I'm glad you're enjoying it. I also said that even though I see hundreds of owl pics every week, that I was still surprised by something I saw in one of the recent photos, so that gives them or anyone else reading the response something to go back and look at. They might not have noticed the unique thing about the photo the first time.
Example going the other way: Maori rights in New Zealand. You can't get much further from NZ than where I am. I know basically nothing about it. This topic really caught my attention though. I read the article to see what was going on, and I thought I understood the basics of it. I commented and said, hey, I read this, and this is my understanding. Am I correct in my understanding or am I missing some significant parts of the story not in this article? If so, can someone explain it or point me in the direction of some more reading? So I know nothing, but I showed them the story was making me interested in something they shared. Anyone familiar with NZ can chime in to talk to me. I hopefully get more things to talk about from that, and we have some conversation. I don't have to know anything, I just show interest in the topic, and in interacting with someone.
Not every interaction is going to result in more upvotes, comments, or conversation, but if nobody is going to be willing to make the first move, it's gonna be boring. We're not big enough for the 1% rule (1% creators, 9% commenters, 90% lurkers) to carry us. It kills the creators having to force the momentum all the time, and if you disagree/agree too much with the small pool of comments, you're going to say this place is boring. We need to participate, we need to show our individual personalities, and we need to interact. That's the "social" part of social media. Have fun with it!
I see your response here, read it, like it and then think: “Yes I agree, nothing to add”. So I don’t respond, which makes it feel pretty quiet.
On the one hand, upvotes are there. On the other, they're not really the right took for the job, Lemmy (and the Fediverse in general) needs some sort of "same" / "mood" / "this tbh" tag.
Feel free to block communities with political content.
You can also use an app or alternative frontend to filter keywords. [email protected] has a post about that.
For communities, [email protected] can help
For home kit, the Apple communities are probably more active, and you should be able to post about it there too
To add to this using these two features has really helped remove a lot of the threads that were taking a toll on my mental health from my feed.
definitely agree. this has helped save my sanity in recent times.
How do I do this? Because honestly, yeah, I've come to a point where I'm realizing that, while it's my responsibility to do what I can in the world, it is not my responsibility to just bear witness to suffering when I can do nothing to prevent it. All it's doing it hurting me for no gains to anyone.
And if the user uses Mbin instances, he/she can even block posts that link to other domains, as often political posts link to news sites.
Politics is the one thing we all have in common.
The good old days where everyone watched the same five TV shows and discussed them are over.
firefly was mid, there I said it.
Straight to jail. Right away.
Everything Whedon has ever done was mid, and I'm going to be banned for saying that, probably.
Yeah, I think it makes waaay more sense to complain about US politics infecting all of social media.
The Fediverse is virgin territory. The trails aren't blazed for you here; it's your job as an early adopter to make it the way you want it to be. You want a community? Start it and participate in it.
I just realized, it’s no wonder much of Lemmy’s current base is in their 30s (and older.) The social aspects of the internet we grew up with was more forum-based. The slower pace we currently have here isn’t a deal breaker, because we knew a time where this was normal. We participated in and built communities because if we didn’t, they wouldn’t exist. There was no pre-made social media behemoth for us to get lost in.
But people who’ve grown up with modern social media didn’t have that experience. They’re accustomed to riding fast-paced rapids, where things quickly change, and where algorithms control their feed and direct the whole experience. That’s their normal. By contrast, Millenials and older came online to gentle, quiet streams. We had to learn to row the oars manually (creating novel communities and content.) That gave us greater control over where we’d go and what we’d see.
Lemmy is a gentle stream right now. People who come here expecting white water rafting are going to feel like something’s missing. People who grew up with pre-made online communities probably never took the steps to build one up before.
I’d love to see younger people taking up the mantle of building a new corner of the internet. Especially in an era where personal control is increasingly limited by powerful monied interests, learning how to create and run communities can be very empowering.
Joining an existing community is usually easier than starting a new one.
[email protected] can be a place to find an existing community?
Joining an existing community is usually easier than starting a new one.
There's also the problem of management. Lots of Lemmy comms are abandoned and, while there are some I would like to exist, I just do not visit regularly enough to be responsible for moderating more and more and more communities across the fedi. So I don't create new comms.
Enjoy being the only one posting.
Mass adoption is fundamental to make any social media viable; the fewer users it has, the less useful it is. Reddit has more users than Lemmy. It's that simple. People won't start switching until everybody else switches.
Bluesky is only barely starting to compete with Twitter, and that's after Twitter drastically worsened. Lemmy is a long, long way from competing with Reddit.
To me, it's a matter of time. The structural advantages of the fediverse mean that it's more stable on the long run; what i mean by that is, for-profit Reddit will get worse while Lemmy remains good, leading users to migrate here, so Lemmy will eventually outlive Reddit. And then along the way there will be a few big moments where Reddit really fucks up and a wave of people washes up on Lemmy. This is already happening, i'm pretty sure all of us here made our accounts after the Reddit API changes.
Enjoy being the only one posting.
Pack it in now then. This platform isn't going to see huge influxes. Normies are too stupid to pick a server. I don't really mind it being somewhat of a niche space, maybe the advertisers will continue to mostly ignore us.
Mass adoption is fundamental to make any social media viable;
Forums used to be lively and self-sustaining with memberships in the low hundreds. You only need "mass adoption" if you want and unending stream of novelty bullshit that you don't actially want to engage with to entertain yourself with while on the toilet.
Yeah and Lemmy and Mastodon at the moment but more so Lemmy seem to be working against that goal by opting for onboarding methods that are unintuitive and frustrating to normies. Opting to make people apply like this is a fucking club, and deny people if they are too boring.
Great job guys, you're really gonna get lots of engagement that way. You don't want engagement? What are you even doing wasting money on an almost empty site barely anyone is joining?
I hate reddit as a platform but I still have to use it every once in a while because people won't move to Lemmy/mbin/piefed.
I honestly don't understand it. People complain that they don't use the fediverse because it's small but somehow they don't realize if they just migrate over then it won't be.
It's aggravating how dumb people can be but hey, that's the world we're living in. I'll continue to use Lemmy and visit reddit if I have to.
Yeah. It's the same with Mastodon. "There are a bunch of toxic people making me feel unwelcome" can be met with "so I left" or "so we flooded the place and took over, because there were only lile 800 people there"
I honestly don’t understand it. People complain that they don’t use the fediverse because it’s small but somehow they don’t realize if they just migrate over then it won’t be.
Network effect in full blast
Jokes on you the political content here is from the redditors who pretended to quit their award fueled addiction by also joining lemmy.
Seriously though, compare c/Politics to c/Worldnews or c/News. There is a very large dissonance between the comments shared despite both communities posting the same news info..
You have fallen for the ultimate trick: wanting a "big" community.
You only get that from big, centralized social networks that want to maximize the amount of content you are fed, because it maximizes your ad views, and their profits.
Embrace the smallness. Lemmy still has room to grow, and having lot of different options for communication that aren't all owned by billionaires is a good thing. The fact that it isn't constantly trying to earn your attention is a feature, not a bug.
I don't think it's that we want "big" communities, necessarily, as much as we want active communities. For instance, if there's a niche game I want to talk about, it's currently a roll of the dice whether or not there's a Lemmy community for it, and then if it does exist already then it's pretty much guaranteed to see 2, maybe 3 posts per week, tops.
That's really the only thing I miss about Reddit, being able to pretty much always have a discussion on any topic you'd want, at any given time.
For instance, if there’s a niche game I want to talk about, it’s currently a roll of the dice whether or not there’s a Lemmy community for it, and then if it does exist already then it’s pretty much guaranteed to see 2, maybe 3 posts per week, tops.
Why not create a thread on a genre community like [email protected] or [email protected] ?
People wanting more activity than the small exclusive private club Fediverse has become isn't a trick or capitalist fallacy, they just want other people to see their fucking posts. Is that so strange and wrong? Why post things if no one is going to see them? You're seriously missing the point of a social media, if you really think having small nearly dead spaces is a good thing.
A while back there was some issue with the Lemmy code and people kept being served posts that were over 6 months old. Peple started replying and the original posters were often "wow, you found my post!" It was kind of awesome.
All I’m getting lately in my feed are cats!
Not a bug! That's a feature.
No, of course not. Cats are mammals, not insects.
Honestly, that was what early reddit was like too. Lots and lots of cat pics.
One suggestion I saw a while ago was to use more general communities for things you're interested in and as it grows then the more niche communities can be made. Ex: post about a specific game you like in gaming up until enough people like it to make a sub for that game. Or post about a song you don't know in asklemmy until enough people do that to make whatsthissong
I totally get wanting the niche communities and, personally, I just lurk reddit completely not voting, posting, or commenting unless as a last resort if I really need to find info that Lemmy isn't able to provide.
It's a slow process and I don't think there'll be another boost of users in Lemmy until reddit does another thing that enshittifies it to annoy people to leave.
Our community [email protected] has for now everything beer, wine, cider... it didn't reach the point of creating another specific, niche community. So I totally get the niche interests aren't represented here yet and the number of homebrewers is big.
Still we get good engagement for lemmy and there are active people from industry, so I wouldn't call it exactly small.
And some times, having the initiative to create such more specific communities could be a change factor for the growth of a social media. Also, with federation, not just the person can choose where to create the community on while not making it a walled garden as other sites would still have access to it, but also if a community for the given subject already exists but the user thinks he can do better, he/she can more easily do it with how expansive the "fediverse" is.
Yeah there are times where I'd want to make a community but the necessity of moderation makes it a big hurdle to even want to begin that process.
The thing I like about Lemmy is that they're not banning you over stupid shit.
Depends on your instance honestly
Oh they're still doing that just easier to make a new space after that happens
reddit was once smaller than it is now too
I don't want to simply repeat what others have said, but on a personal level, I'm actually enjoying the smaller overall community - it makes it a bit more personal, I feel. I enjoy that. Yeah, fair enough, it's not great for niches, but you don't have to be tethered down to one place for your content.
Back in my day, you had to go to completely different websites for your niche content! Forums were the mainstream!
One time I complained about a response I got in a separate post and then that person found me and responded again.
I wasn’t even mad, that’s good dedication.
Ya I don't mind and I think it's because this place reminds me a lot of old forums or old reddit. I really miss some of my old forums and the community that would be built there.
. The smaller feel also encourages contributing over lurking, because every individual's comment can actually get read, unlike the huge megathreads of reddit.
I agree that, asking with the bad things OP mentions, there are good things about a smaller site. I remember a lot of times on Reddit when I had something to say, but when I went into the thread there were thousands of comments and I'd feel like there just wasn't a point in adding mine.
On Lemmy, when I make a comment, it's very likely to be seen (for better or worse), and I have much more of a feeling of adding to the conversation. It's more like joining a conversation at a party.
I think the people who grew up a bit later may feel this more keenly than some of us olds who used to have to use the yellow pages.
Thing is, it can be great for niches! The Star Trek instance is very Star Trek. The TTRPG instance has a lot of potential. If we try to build the fediverse out from these niche nodes first, instead of starting from the general and trying to branch out, it could work a lot better than what we currently have.
Hmm maybe I should post to niche communities then repost to broader categories.
Or just assess whether your niche is sustainable at all, if not then just use the broader category
I only used Reddit for two years, but I’m now really happy I made the jump to Lemmy.
Sadly, I can only agree that some niche content is difficult to find.
But I can’t complain because I’m not creating any of that content and moderating some community.
Unfortunately, community building is work, and it's work that users actually do on the bigger, corporate sites. Those community builders helped get those spaces going, helped make them appealing, and help trap users there. In smaller spaces like this, we need to be the community builders, not just the content consumers.
One thing I find really helps is to use something that doesn't look like the space you left. Lemmy looks an awful lot like Reddit, but it has themes, and even alternative web clients that can change the experience and make it feel like something new.
Lemmy also isn't the content and communities, it's just the website's server software. You can access... ugh... the "threadiverse"... from websites using other ActivityPub enabled servers. There's an ActivityPub Discourse plugin. nodeBB is adding ActivityPub support in its next version. Friendica and Hubzilla have group support, and work with Lemmy-hosted communities.
Find a new window on social media, and it might help you engage with it differently.
The other thing you can do is just niche down a bit here. Find a few active communities that you're interested in, and focus your attention on them. Lemmy is actually much, much more like classic forums, where communities or spheres of interest have their own website. The difference here is that you can actually look outside of those communities to interact with other forums, too. It works a a lot better if you treat it that way. Find your home, as it were, and branch out from there.
Unfortunately, the modern mental model of social media is the fire hose, not the node-and-spoke that is actually best supported by the technology.
Whatever the social media ability to "create" your own algorithm is important. One way being a subscription and sticking to it.
Second being keyword filtering. I use Connect for Android which let's me filter out posts and communities containing keywords.
Same thing I do on reddit with reddit enhancement suite.
It's just the nature social media where anone can sign up.
Post the kind of content you’d like to see.
This comment makes me want to both up and downvote it, because while it may be true, I don't think I have the skill to post.
Posting just takes time. Usually you can just take content from Reddit or elsewhere and post it to Lemmy.
It’s not the size that matters. Just play with it for a while, maybe you’ll learn to like it.
Give it some time, it'll get bigger I promise.
I believe in Lemmy and the fediverse. But the subreddits with content I like aren't here yet. So I still have to go back for that stuff.
But I always check here first.
Unpopular opinion: it's okay to like Reddit, if that's how you feel. I don't - it's far too toxic overall, and that was affecting me to the point where I made the decision to leave it, regardless of the outcome of the protests (based in large measure on having read this article that further developed the thoughts that I was already starting to think: https://medium.com/@max.p.schlienger/the-cargo-cult-of-the-ennui-engine-890c541cebcb ). And I don't like where it's going in the future - you may use it for awhile then be surprised when yet another horrendous decision by Huffman or the people behind him sends content creators fleeing to other platforms, again.
But if you have found a particular niche group there, and they are not willing to leave Reddit, then you go to where they are, right? Perhaps you can also help make moving here more welcoming by starting a similar community of your own here, even if you are the only one posting there for awhile. That said, we simply don't have the userbase here to handle e.g. most individual games (some fairly major exceptions such as Minecraft aside:-) or sports teams or some such, and you may want to enjoy interacting with more generalized content, possibly in addition to rather than fully replacing Reddit.
Conversations here tend to be better than there. Deeper, richer, and fuller. But to each their own - if Reddit meets your needs while Lemmy does not, then it sounds like you have your answer. But perhaps read my link above and think about what it means: Reddit is predatory, and you'd be willfully walking back into that, hoping against hope that the leopard would not eat your face off (spoiler alert: it will:-D).
Thank you! I would say I like the people in certain niche groups on Reddit, but I hate Reddit as a company. I wish I could snap my finger and move those communities to Lemmy.
Many people lead busy lives and don't use Arch btw (you know that funny saying here on Lemmy? well if not, you'll learn it soon - in fact you're hearing it now!:-P). They use what works best for them. We could improve our tools to entice them to want to come here, but we can hardly blame them (imho) if they don't want to yet, if Lemmy (or Mbin, PieFed, etc.) does not meet there needs (yet).
We are growing though. e.g. check out [email protected], which I would guess probably has no counterpart on Reddit atm? (their internal video player sucked, and presumably still does since they seem so focused on profits rather than usability)
On the other hand, Lemmy is full of political content lately.
Unfollow communities with political content, and all that goes away.
I think a surprising number of people use the 'All' feed, both here, and on Reddit.
I use the all feed here but not Reddit. Without the all feed its… too quiet. It’s also possible I have a social media addition. Maybe I should embrace quiet.
I wouldn't touch Reddit's all with someone else's ten foot pole. But there's hardly any posts in my subbed feed (niche interest ghost towns for the most part), so Lemmy's all is where the content is.
Browse by "subscribed", and subscribe to a lot of communities. Only do it by "all" when you can't find good stuff in the subscribed view.
I do this and, while I do see a few intrusive US politics posts, it's far less than when browsing by "all".
The problem, as already stated, is that there are not many communities in the first place. And if there are, they're likely more or less dead, with weeks or even months old posts.
Yes, it is a problem - depending on your tastes "subscribed" won't be enough. But going "subscribed" and then "all" is bound to show less political posts than going straight for "all".
A lot of the small communities are not dead, they simply have a low post rate. If you actually post something of interest to them, they get engagement.
Social media suffers from the curse of the Pareto principle: The overwhelming majority of users do not generate content. They also suffer from the network effect: Most people will be where the content is, and most content creators will stay where the audience is. What we have on Lemmy is a group of people that skews more heavily toward consumption or commenting than posting new content, and the ever present thief of joy.
Huh? There are a looot of communities. Of course, a good number of them are dead. To get a good idea of which smaller communities are active, I'd recommend following the [email protected] posts. @[email protected] did "active communities" overview threads a while ago at [email protected] too.
The internet has been mostly enshittified. The corporations are guaranteed to continue sucking in predictable ways. It'll never get better or good enough.
The fediverse is something new. It is, at the very least, immune to being reddited and twittered. If the internet has a future, it's on the fediverse, or on something like it that doesn't exist yet. Going back to shitty corporate stuff just delays the future.
Your real issue is that spez, musk, etc all suck. That's what you hate. This is the place where we are free of them, and it can only get better.
The problem is I hate Musk, etc., but I do love a lot of the people on those platforms (mainly Reddit for me). When you have that many people, it’s easier to have very active communities even if they are pretty niche. If there was some sort of way I could incentivize people to come to Lemmy, I would. Open to suggestions.
Growth is a process, not an immediate switch. Every social media started small and then grew. If immediatism, or however it is called, was the predominant factor for any struggle to become an achievement, nothing would be achieved.
And on lack of contents, I, for one, block everything that is not of my interest, quite a lot to be honest, specially with certain niches spamming the federated platforms, but even then, I get a feeling I should trim even some of the communities/magazines I follow/subscribe to as I can barely catch up to those already.
If the BlueSky migration keeps up the pace, I think it will be a good bet that Reddit to Lemmy will be the next big user migration. There's signs it's already started, within the last year I've been here I've seen the community and sub-communities grow significantly and there's been an increase of self-proclaimed converts over the last several months.
I don't see the connection between Lemmy and Bluesky/reasoning, can you elaborate?
Probably the hope, not completely unfounded, that the migration from one "legacy" (from the 00s) platform to a more recent alternative service - twitter to Bluesky - will help inspire people in other legacy platforms to also realize that alternatives do exist now, they are part of a broader conversation that they weren't a part of even two years ago.
Even a year and a half ago, this place felt like it hadn't yet installed the drywall, the wiring and tubing was incomplete. Now it feels more seamless, ready for a spurt of growth.
"Hey... Bluesky isn't all that bad, I'm glad to be out of the clutches of a billionaire asshole, and not feel utterly lost here", now cue what OP believes a number of people will also think: "Hmm... maybe I'll check out Lemmy, too. See what the alternative to reddit is like."
Some of them could have tried it, didn't like it, might come back and be like: "Hey, Lemmy's not too bad since last I last looked a year ago", and here's a clincher that definitely wasn't here a year and a half ago: "The app works pretty good", and there are a lot of new apps, having a choice gives a sense and weight of legitimacy.
Dreams.
Block FlyingSquid, it improves the community a huge amount.
You'd be blocking half of Lemmy.
Block FlyingSquid
You mean the user that moderates some Star Trek stuff and Out of Context Comics? What's the problem..?
Do it before they drag you into an argument, lose, then ban you.
Someone has to be the first on the dance floor, and you don't want to be it.
Most people are obviously more lurkers than contributors. I don't think one should expect that to change, given the vastly different mindsets behind it.
I’m happy to create posts, but it’s hard if you’re the only person. If I could get a few active people, just all it feels collaborative, I would.
Admittedly, I haven’t tried that hard, but I’m going to make more posts in communities I want to grow.
<Elaine dancing>
I really love community-driven social media like Reddit. Lemmy feels… too small. I really loved that Reddit let me jump into any niche hobby, and instantly I had a community.
Please note: you only ever had something like that with Reddit when it had already several years of operation. Even today, you can't jump instantly and find there a community for any niche hobby.
As with all these things: be the change you want to see. Add content, or else it won't be there when you or someone else comes in.
(There's also a feel that Lemmy is "small" becaue it's not only one place and all that)
I would suggest blocking the communities that post all the content you don't like. After I did that, it's been smooth sailing, and I read the All feed. There's not that many large news and politics communities that you would need to block to get rid of that stuff on your timeline.
It may not be for everyone. Lemmys growth has stalled out and barring musk buying reddit and turning it to shit i don't see another influx coming. So we're kinda stuck with the community that exists now. Its a pretty good and sustainable community which can provide a lot of general interest posts like news, memes and cats lately. But for other more specific topics if if it's not already a large community here it probably won't be. It's not even just niche interests, professional sports for example has very little presence on here as a whole much less individual sports or teams, and I don't see, for example, a baseball community taking off here no matter how much effort you put in since the current lemmy community isn't much interested in it and your average baseball fan probably won't be coming to lemmy to discuss things.
My recommendation would be to use lemmy for some of those general interest topics, and maybe some of the more popular niche communities if your into them, And go to other places, preferably independent forums or rss feeds, for other things. We don't need one unified scrolling app, it may be a bit more convenient, but the internet is better off if you spread your traffic around.
Just wanted to comment and say Lemmy baseball fan here! There are dozens of us, dozens! Also not in IT and I don’t use Linux but here I am. I feel like an imposter on Lemmy.
This is why I’ve made the argument so many times that Lemmy needs ways to categorize stuff.
Let me present you with a situation that happened. I made a post in a patientgamers community. But since I know that community is niche, I cross post to both retro games and the general games community. This made some people upset because they had to see my post three times (understandable).
But if I don’t do this, the only slightly active sub community will benefit or see engagement. As evidenced by my last post that got somewhat less engagement.
What really should be the case is that cross posts don’t show up multiple times and by default the apps need to redirect to the actual cross posted post and not the comments on the cross post itself. They copied the awful cross posting behavior from Reddit and it sucks honestly. Until we are larger, we need better ways to post across multiple communities to keep them all active and boost collective interest.
Let me introduce you the Piefed topics: https://piefed.social/topic/gaming That's an improvement from the reader perspective
Cross-posts themselves are only displayed once on the Web UI as long as they use the same URLs.
Lemmy is amazing. I am so glad I found my way here. I was doom scrolling as well. I had to unsubscribe from all my political communities I had joined and just keep one of my news committees. I then expanded the groups for my other interests. This really helped. You are in control of your time line here.
Lately I tend to prefer lemmy over Reddit and mastodon too. It’s all about content I agree.
As somebody mentioned below, subscribe to communities you find to be of interest and then set your default mode to subscribed so that you only see those that you've actually subscribed to and that goes away a lot. Only browse all if you absolutely run out of content and are still looking to read.
I get it. I basically have to browse on the everything tab to get enough content, and just block the politics communities because I get enough of that from everywhere else in life. I've been using the lack of content to just ween myself off social media though, rather than go back to Reddit. This is the only "social media app" I have installed on my phone unless you count Discord and YouTube
Post what you want, comment on everything, make your own community, etc etc etc
I see this all the time like some kind of catch-all for complaints about how effectively dead this platform is.
Not everyone is cutout to pioneer any kind of community, let's just assume that OP takes this advice to heart, if their interest/hobby is niche enough, what's even the likelihood of someone else tumbling upon it? Let alone contributing. Maybe this hypothetical other person wants to contribute but they see that it's only one other person posting anything and they figure, "what's the point?" Maybe they don't agree with OP's opinions and would rather find another "community" where their opinions won't be contested even if it doesn't exist. There are a myriad of reasons why, this is going to happen with every channel, fandom, interest group, etc. it's a natural part of the process. The problem lies in the simple fact that there's fucking no one here, there are enough bodies to come and stay and go and continue the cycle until a community is established.
Yes, there are plenty of channels or w/e they're called here, but most of them are effectively islands in a sea of shit you don't care about (or bots.) They're not managed, and there's nothing going on in them. Why is it up to you the user to stop what you're doing and make something out of nothing? When there are already communities that do exist on other platforms, even if said platforms are trash like Reddit or Xitter are. The majority of users in large communities are lurkers, they might not actively contribute, but they do share content with their own friends or interest groups and that is what's more likely to bring people in, those people might be people that do end up contributing, or they might be more lurkers. But it feeds into the growth of the community either way.
Most of Lemmy doesn't have any of that though, because there's no one here.
Not everyone is cutout to pioneer any kind of community, let’s just assume that OP takes this advice to heart, if their interest/hobby is niche enough, what’s even the likelihood of someone else tumbling upon it?
The general advice is to go to more and more generic communities until you meet enough people to discuss the topics.
Originally, Reddit had no subreddits, there was only one single space where everybody would post.
Reducing the number of communities and merge some of them would definitely be useful. For people interested on that topic, there is [email protected]
Community building involves more than just posting. It's "If you post it, post about it everywhere else, and talk about it with everybody who will listen". And then dealing with months if silence while you keep posting things that inspire others to join in.
I have really been enjoying Comic Strips. There can be some political content, but there's plenty of other interesting and funny stuff too.
Rather than trying to replace something else, it's a good idea to look for what's new to you.
Does lemmy have flairs? Would be useful if they had a mandatory flair for objectionable content
Build Lemmy and they will come!
Funny cause I reduced my recent reddit usage cause I got tired of the toxic post election political liberal cope
Is there a way to 'view all images' like RES has a button for?
Yes, PieFed has a tiled view that iirc is default for some communities - see e.g. https://piefed.social/c/[email protected]?layout=masonry&sort=.
For Lemmy, no, unless an app does it.
Try this, it improves lemmy's web frontend
Post the content and you'll get some engagement. I've posted in niche subs here like Begleris, lockpicking, Balisongs and got engagement. So I don't know what to tell you but to post whatever.
Lemmy is full of political content lately.
Block lemmy.world politics and news subs, those people are deranged idiots larping too much DNC koolaid.
It will clear your feed for other less active subs that really need more posting and commenting.
I wasn’t saying I disagree with the political content. Only that hyper-fixating on the declining state of my country (US) stops being healthy very quickly. People need to feel empowered to create change, but doom scrolling makes us despair.
But let me be clear, fuck Trump.
Discussion is not constructive, it does not matter if you agree or disagree... they are shilling doom. They did it before election too and they are still doing it.
