But seriously, are there really women who talk about men in those terms?
Yes. Personally, I see it as the mirror image of the "tradwife" thing where toxic men see their partner as a subservient maid. Seeing men as primarily an income source comes from a similar place imho.
Yep, they've been called 'gold diggers', for quite a while now.
There is still a huge portion of American women across the political spectrum, across wealth classes, across religious or irreligious beliefs, who ultimately have a huge part of what they want in a partner be 'how much stuff can he buy me', who will bully or shame or guilt trip or emasculate or outright violently abuse their male partner, regardless of how hypocritical this is with their other espoused beliefs, to get them to pay for things for them or cover their debts.
Just get on tiktok or instagram, you basically can't miss it.
Its more than just the opposite number of conservative tradwives. There are plenty of self described liberal or leftist, feminists or social activists of one kind or another that ultimately still want their male partners to provide far more for them than they provide for their partner.
Just looked through some of that stuff. Holy hell, it would be easier to be seen as without sin through the eyes of an angry old testament God than it would be to be seen as worthy of dating from that crowd. And that's fine, because I would want less than zero to do with it.
(Assuming it's real. Who knows? Could be a bunch of neckbeards cosplaying, but if I've learned anything in life, it's that there are shitty shitty men in this world, and that there are equally shitty shitty women in this world)
The "trad wives" (traditionalist / paleoconservative middle class women who believe that their religion is good for women) are looking for a husband in the traditional sense, a type of business owner / patriarch who owns them and provides for them; see: husbandry. That's so that they can produce a lot of offspring while pretending that raising kids in near or full homeschooling is a good thing and she's very successful (culturally).
They're the homologues of incels and traditionalist bros who want to be rich so that they maintain some informal harem. And they deserve each other.
Yeah, and we shouldn't suppose women can't degrade as much as men, that's unfair. r/femaledatingstrategy had an overblown fame for being a femcel den before it got banned, you can read on them in the media. But you can discover more than that on chan-boards, as they are probably the origin of a lingvo natural to this discourse. Just like with in incels, there's a typology of women and men adapted to biological and social context a typical ciswoman is in.
As for IRL, I've heard such terms only as a joke, but that means there's some penetration into higher net.
Every gold digger ever. Books about it, subreddits. You been living under a rock? Literally, good how to marry a rich man, and there will be digital or printed guidebooks
Idahoan here - yeah coming from a fairly mormon-laden family tree (and community), it's pretty common around here. And like others said it typically goes both ways - the guys treat it like the gals are helpless without a man to carry the income. This place is fucking backwards and culturally prehistoric.
Don't even get me started on the bigotry & maltreatment towards trans/gay folks. If there were a progress bar for moving toward healthy / compassionate behavior towards those groups this place would be at fucking 0%, genuinely. Obscenely disrespectful.
Lol this whole thread is so funny to me, as someone who regularly dates millionaires.
Ya'll are not a cash cow. Don't worry, real gold diggers go after gold. You're safe from gold diggers. That of course does not make you immune from financial abuse but that's different than gold digging.
Second, these dating forums are all roleplay. There's a pretty big chance those are men role-playing as the greedy women of their stupid nightmares. No woman ever gets in proximity to a man only based on money. The idea is laughable to women. Even full service sex workers decline men and have actual correspondences with each other blacklisting men in the area to keep everyone safe. No woman ONLY cares about the money. They can't afford to. However, men engaging with other men think like that because they don't have to worry about the risk of violence as much. That's why I think this is probably roleplay.
Third, I hear men talking about their potential future wives like this all the time, including financially, if they'd date a fat girl, if they'd date a girl who doesn't do oral, etc etc etc. Even if women are doing this, men do it too (and i bet you never called it out). Marriage is a contract that ties finances together so it matters. Personally, I'm never getting married but for those who do, it can really affect their ability to get housing or other stuff. It's a sad feature of capitalism.
And yes, capitalists gain a lot from this structure. They fish for sex workers in every industry, including modeling. This causes women to br traded like commodities and so the most valuable women per their standards they can eugenics into their line, will be the one they marry. A lot of men's attraction for women is just based on how valuable she is as a human commodity. This is why "objectification" gets brought up so much.
Last, the above is the attitude of real gold diggers, which is open and frankly discussed with their actual source of gold. It is not financial abuse and to be clear financial abuse is wrong - it is instead a negotiation so that she can live at the same comfort level as him and enjoy her life. No rich man is confused about this. Most would be kinda embarrassed to not take care of her, like going to a fancy restaurant and she orders a small appetizer+water in her budget while he gets a wine tasting and a steak just makes him look bad. That's how I know none of you are actually near this lifestyle, because you don't innately understand this.
Again, I am not getting married, I'm never having kids, and I'm poly; I demand these aspects specifically to bypass the interpersonal dynamic of me being treated as a commodity, and instead this forces my partners and myself to love in the moment, to actively choose each other, and to give resources freely and not coerced through a contract.
Let's not monopolize the word nerds for us computer nerds. There are also engineering nerds for example, the guys that have 2 3d printers, 3 CNC machines, and a few industrial robot arms in their garage so that they can build the tiniest bike ever.
I grew up Catholic, and (at least here, Catholicism is a really big place) it's not so much "he has money" as it is "he will bring stability."
The second commenter's "cash cow" comment is a bit of an outlier in my experience, because usually the highlights of dating a nerd are more akin to the second comment. They'll be an active father and attentive husband, and they're less likely to cheat (in their view). I've also heard things like this about D&D/Warhammer players, because they use their imagination alot (making them good at entertaining children) and the hobbies take a lot of focus (meaning they'll be willing and able to tackle problems that arise).
Older catholics are used to men whose only role in the family is "produce baby and produce money", so a lot of modern dating advice is in the guise of "make sure he's a good man before you marry him"
Because most people nowadays see everything as a transaction, including "love". You really can't expect anything else in a society that sees everything through the prism of money.
These girls are old school. You make the money, they pump out the children. They don't believe in birth control or abortion, so if you want to maximize your reproductive fitness, you could do worse than a Catholic girl.
anyone who picks at every little thing a partner or potential partner does by requiring the Internet to approve it is toxic as hell. asking the Internet if a behavior that doesn't effect you is a red flag is a massive red flag.
i mean, it's more about letting the Internet decide for them. a person that is so incapable of making their own assessments that they have to ask a random mob permission to date another isn't going to be a good person to date. didn't be or date someone that would trust random Internet weirdos who collectively have an incredibly awful track record of giving advice over just talking about it or doing some reading.
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Because the distro is nothing without the kernel, the kernel is nothing without the distro, a PC is just for getting shit done of have "fun" and you should stop wasting your time on Lemmy
And the fact that they'd rather troubleshoot Arch with a girl than anything else... and 90% of women would put up with those requests, BUT only if you make a lot of money.
I don't want to talk about all girls since they are different of course but for me, there is a shitload of girls that are just too fucked up to be around. They put shit in their lips or tits, they constantly focus on how they look, they have zero confidence without getting a million likes for how they look... Fuck those girls. I want a real person, not some shallow barbie with shit for brains.
Most people, no matter the religion or gender see everything as a transaction (since everything in this world revolves around money). This is what's left from the society, that's why we should all try to change the world and make it a better place.
As much as I enjoy shitting on Catholics (I would hang out on a church roof pretending to be a pigeon if I could get away with it) the title of this post would be accurate with one fewer word. "Apparently, dating is all about money."
Well, I am not trying to justify the person in the post since I do not know who the person personally and what she means; but as a guy, I would also want my partner to be earning good money. You know, to raise a family.
All girls are shallow. I'd rather, "he got money" shallow than "he tall" shallow. At least one is something you can do something about. I don't know why people pretend that it is wholesome when the girl falls in love with the physically handsome tall guy, but then somehow less wholesome when the girl falls in love with a guy who through talent and hard work made something of himself.