Israelis rally to demand ceasefire and Netanyahu's resignation
Israelis rally to demand ceasefire and Netanyahu's resignation
"We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel," said one protester.
"We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel," said one protester.
Israelis protested on Saturday night, calling for a ceasefire and the resignation of hardline Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.
They also called for new elections, accusing Netanyahu of prolonging the conflict to keep himself in power.
Look at all those anti-semites. /s
Send in the NYPD!
Bizarrely, they're likely already there 🤬
I wish them luck. They have an uphill climb against someone cementing dictatorial powers but I hope they can achieve those goals.
Unfortunately this can be said for a few nations now at this point
All the research I'm doing right now points to them just wanting their hostages back. Can anyone post evidence of citizens protesting the war on the grounds of genocide?
I just don't see the humanity here... I want to see it, but I can't find any evidence at all that they are against the actual atrocities being committed. If there is a huge vocal outcry for this, then their media (and/or ours) is doing overtime to hide it.
It's interesting that Lemmy has pretty okay representation globally, not great but OK.
Are there any lemmings in Israel that can tell us what's going on?
I think it's important not to project into these protesters what we would like them to be protesting about. We need to hear their words, from them.
You won't be able to find reliable information because Israel has a lot of ability to influence discourse especially online. They will kill and threaten journalists. They are the global leader in providing computer exploits and spy tools to nation-states. Don't forget that nothing happened at Tienamen square, and there is no war in ba sing se.
Standing.together.english on Instagram.
Is there any suggestion that they're protesting against "genocide"?
Is it possible you're looking at this situation through a particular lens?
Israellis are basically the only people on the planet that can stop this genocide. I said that back in November, it's still true now.
Not going to be easy when so many other corrupted governments are aiding this one
Netanyahu has been prime minister for 16 years, just won reelection in 2022, and has been a murderous, zionist bastard the entire time.
Not to mention, he lost power before 2022 because of court battles from 2015 to 2021 after which the courts ruled he could not be held accountable for crimes of corruption, and his reinstatement also meant that the compromise-government that formed on the condition of 2 years of conservative rulership followed by 2 years of progressive/moderate rulership was cut short and it was just back to back Netanyahu-lite to Netanyahu-lager.
Murphy's law is enforced in Israel.
But now he's a genocidal, zionist bastard
If you think it's that simple you have no clue how controversial he is, and has been for roughly the entire time (increasing over the years). Israel isn't (yet?) stuck in a two-party system, so there's lots of different parties. Needless to say, Likkud (his party) does not get 50% of the votes. It is the largest party most of the time but not a majority.
The previous government formed with parties from opposite sides of the spectrum just to keep the Likkud out. It didn't last long, but neither did any of Bibi's governments in the preceding 2 years - we've had a political crisis because no one wanted to work with him because he's so controversial. The only reason he won the last election is that some parties on the left didn't pass the threshold to be represented (basically throwing away their votes) and he partnered with extremist parties on the far-right, which he previously wouldn't have lowered himself to but he was desperate to return to power. No one would partner with him but them.
As for the number of votes Likkud does get - yeah, it's a lot, but so are Trump voters (or pick your least favourite party/politician in your country) and it wouldn't be fair to generalise and say all Americans support Trump, would it? Not to mention, you only get to pick from the candidates that are available.
FWIW I voted against him, to the party that didn't pass the threshold :( it was the first time in their history this happened IIRC
Likud doesnt get a majority, but it does get a plurality for a reason. Its also far from the only murderous zionist party, the coalition formed is absolutely a majority. Even if people didnt vote for netanyahu, most of them voted for a murderous zionist party. Netanyahu isnt doing this alone.
How anti-semetic of them. Don't they know you can't do that?
You aren"t saying the protesters are sterotypically self hating are you?
That would be a foul.
And this shows that those opposed to Israel's actions in Gaza are not antisemitic (ignoring the eventual neonazi assholes), they are opposed to a government that is committing genocide. Especially a government that governs a people THAT SHOULD KNOE BETTER.
I have no problems at all with Jews and I'm sure that, given people who really want peace, a good treaty can be made where both the Palestinians and the Israelites can peacefully coexist, that would be awesome.
However, right now saying even something like that is somehow antisemitic. If anything, I find that sort of behavior antisemitic, because it is so transparent that it pushes more people to the far right and into the hands of neo Nazis.
Stop the genocide, stop the war, withdraw ALL Israeli forces immediately and unconditionally. Then put in a peace keeping force comprised of multiple countries in that same area, and make sure they all work towards peace.
I was about to say that I hoped we could make protests against Israel’s government without being called antisemitic here in France too…
People like me get no love from anyone because I want the Jewish people to have Israel as their country, and I want to help protect the rights of Israelis. I also want the same for Palestinians.
People who perpetuate genocide against anyone shouldn’t be tolerated by civilized societies. The fact that mass killings exist in any form in human history is not a role model for the future.
First of all if Israel, having such a strong military and industrial base, were not a piece of rotten evil, it could make a huge difference in the Middle-East.
But instead of actually working toward that end Israelis decided to put a kinda similar image and exploit it. Simultaneously having a narrative of "we tried, but they just don't want to live happily" in their propaganda and even believing that themselves.
Then they wouldn't be the US and EU's middle East military base. Why do you think they have the money and weapons? To fight proxy wars and keep opec in check.
First of all if Israel, having such a strong military and industrial base, were not a piece of rotten evil, it could make a huge difference in the Middle-East.
Palestine will reject any treaty. Like they always have. All they want is for Jews to be the minority or to leave entirely.
Report: Hamas Accepts Gaza Cease-fire Deal; Israeli Officials Reject Prospect of War Ending
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They agreed to treaties before that Israel rejected. But sure, blame the Palestinians
Israel jews are a different breed than the holocaust survivors. Germany paid reparations to Israel and barely, if any, actually made it to the actual survivors. They're generally not a good people. But I have seen protests and legit compassion from them to know that it's always the loudest voices that are most often heard.
There’s just one small flaw in your plan. Hamas has widespread support in Palestine and is not interested in peace, only in the destruction of Israel.
If you end the war you just go back to the previous situation where Hamas will continue to persistently launch rockets at Israel and execute more terror attacks, not peace.
Yeah, and who's to blame for that, literally by funding Hamas? The Israeli government.
If they could fund hamas then they can also fund schools, hospitals, help rebuild Gaza.
None of what you say should stand in the way of a peace treaty
Good shit guys, and good luck, what's the point of democracy if they don't fucking listen. We should all be doing this, all of the time
Guess why France has a some pro-consumer laws that wouldn't fly in other countries. It's because if the government pisses the people off, they instantly respond with rioting. It works.
what's the point of democracy
It's a 2 party system
It is not. Israel is a multi-party coalition based system.
While it’s fair that they’re protesting for their hostages to be returned, this headline puts them in a completely different light. I don’t believe anyone is actually protesting for a ceasefire.
This is correct. I can't find anything at all claiming this protest has anything to do with stopping the Palestinian genocide for the sake of humanity.
They just want their hostages back, according to what I've been able to find. Can anyone show significant support for the contrary?
Article specifically quotes about the people being hostages of respective political leadership. Albeit a somewhat moderate take in context, still rather antiauthoritarian which tends to be anti war/genocide.
Some of them want their government to go in harder
‘"We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel," said one protester.‘
I really wanted to believe that, but they have the same PRV type of voting system as Ireland so that’s hard to believe. It’s not like UK/US where the votes are counted in a more primitive way.
I'll admit to not being the most knowledgeable person on internal Israeli politics, but my understanding is hes been holding onto power for a while through a combination of coalitions and judge nonsense. Even then, if he represented the views of 51% of Israeli's that would still be a lot of people who's views don't align with his.
The problem is that there is a lot of Israelis who are now against Netanyahu, but who are still in support of the genocide in Gaza, or who are always in support of the Settler terrorism and slow genocide in the Westbank.
No Israeli government has reduced or at least stopped settlements since Rabin was murdered. The Center and Center Left of Israeli politics are equally in favor of an Apartheid occupation and running Israel as a supremacist ethnostate.
There is some people that genuinely reject all of this fascist nonsense and demand actual peace and actual justice in Israel. But unfortunately they are very much a minority. And when they speak up they often get threatened, harassed and attacked.
Reminds me of Brexit
In January there was a poll done in Israel: Only 15% of Israelis want Netanyahu to keep job after Gaza war, poll finds.
I don’t know how the poling is now though. However with how the world currently sees Israel, I doubt it would be in a favor for the prime minister (as in not in favor for him).
It's also a parliamentary system, and there hasn't been a stable coalition in forever. Netanyahu, despite his lack of public popularity, has the backroom connections to stay on top of 'the game' in a divided parliament, especially with two of the left-wing parties only narrowly missing the threshold in the last election.
fuck yes that's what im talking about
I am curious to witness the mental gymnatics necessary to call these Israelis antisemitic...what absolute nonsense will need to be implemented this round?
I logged on after reading about the ceasefire, just to look for articles here, where the comments will inevitably say it's not enough and they're electing Trump bc they're so far left.
What does "left" have to do with it? Is it only leftists who object to genocide?
The number of voters dumb enough to switch from Biden to Trump is insignificant. What's going to happen is a whole lot of voters are just going to give up and stay home, and it won't have anything to do with how far left they are.
Just like every damn election, the left is telling the establishment how to attract voters, the establishment is ignoring the left, then the establishment will blame the left. The vast majority of those engaged enough to call themselves leftists are going to vote for Biden. It's the barely engaged working Americans who are going to check out.
Make him resign so they can reelect him again.
Any other sources about this? Euronews is linked to Victor Orban.
I would rather read a source outside of the two sides.
Taken them long enough
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.
Egyptian state media reported “noticeable progress" on talks, although an Israeli official downplayed the prospects for a full end to the war in Gaza.
Hamas has repeatedly insisted that any deal freeing the hostages must include a withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and an end to the fighting.
"The most important thing is to bring the hostages back and to get humanitarian aid into Gaza," said Roi Tzohar, demonstrating in Tel Aviv.
But chances for a ceasefire deal remain entangled with the key question of whether Israel will accept an end to the war without reaching its stated goal of destroying Hamas.
The official said Israel was committed to the Rafah invasion, where an estimated 1.4 million people have fled the fighting in central and northern Gaza.
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Netanyahu's government - seen as the most right-wight in Israel's history
Right wing? Or am I lost
Judging from how I completely missed that and read it as “right-wing” I just assume it's autocorrect gone wrong with no editor spotting it either
it's a type of evil undead, so... close enough.
A lot of motherfuckers, ignoring the article as usual to grandstand, whining they were called out for antisemitism, instead of acknowledging anything in the article. Priorities noted, lemmy.
Most of these people take/haven taken part in the IDF and have been actively participating in Apartheid. These people have been actively been on check points, raided Palestinian houses and killed and kidnapped (yes, kidnapped, because some are in prison without being proven guilty of anything).
This was done by Israelis.
Israelis are actively living in houses that aren’t theirs. In houses where the owners left due to their terrorism.
“We are not our government” but you are.
Spare me the crocodile tears and the fake democracy. We all saw your true colors. Genocidal maniacs.****
True but, isn't it also true that a ceasefire is desirable? Isn't it also true that the current prime minister should not hold power?
These people protesting could be fairly judged as guilty of all the things you said. Would that make the things they are asking for invalid?
Is perfection the realistic result? I dont think so.
Can we be happy fewer Palestinians die as a result of this? I like to think so.
I bet you have a final solution to the problem.
Most of these people take/haven taken part in the IDF
Most likely? I mean Israel has a draft for women and men with the only exception being Orthodox Jews - which, ironically, might be the ones most in favor of the current government. How does that make their point irrelevant?
have been actively participating in Apartheid.
Dude, that word has a different meaning from what you're implying. Call the atrocities in Gaza a genocide, that's fair. But it's not apartheid and neither is Israel an apartheid state, nor an ethnostate. Source: been to Israel, talked to people, there are no Jewish / non-Jewish toilets or fountains or anything, non-Jewish stores next to Jewish ones etc.
The rest of your blathering is just generalization. The same applied to people living in Gaza would make a lot of unjust actions look much better - after all, most of the people in Gaza have kidnapped and slaughtered civilians, no? Yeah, probably not.
So what do you call it when Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza, corrals and oppresses those populations and denies them representation? Sure as fuck seems like Apartheid from here, and this Genocide is just a brutal response to a violent resistance movement.
Weird, shouldn't they be rallying to stop biden?