As investment, I bought this, instead of stocks. Any ideas on what to do with it?
As investment, I bought this, instead of stocks. Any ideas on what to do with it?
As investment, I bought this, instead of stocks. Any ideas on what to do with it?
Location:
- 75km (1hr) to a big international airport. Airport has direct flights to most EU capitals (2-4hr flights)
- 50km to city center
- 25km from nearest large residential area (500,000+ population)
- 5km from massive organized industrial area (government supports factories here)
- 35km from a rich residential area
- 1km away from the village (its old and mostly depopulated) and animal husbandry area
Access:
- There is public transportation, but one has to walk 1.5km after leaving the bus.
- There is no direct road access to the land. You have to walk like 200m after leaving your car.
- 1km road to here is non-asphalt and its a bit bumpy ride. When it rains, it gets bad here. It rains rarely
It is quite peaceful and quiet there. You can hear interesting bird sounds sometimes. You see no buildings, no cars and no humans anywhere near you when you're there, which feels great imo. You notice the air quality after you leave your car. I personally absolutely would want to live here for a while
Ideas
- Trying to clarify this rn, but I think I can make $120-160/yr/decare from leasing the land to a farmer. Land is 25 decares
- "Unique co-living opportunity with vegan food & yoga sessions" In other words, remote work / digital nomad village for people who want to work REALLY remotely :) I'd have to arrange electricity (solar panels and powerbanks), internet, toilet, shower, water, tents, mattresses/pillows/sheets, food, drinking water. (Though I don't know what people will do when they're bored here? Any ideas? Meditation would get boring after some point)
- Sadly location isn't touristic, but it is 1hr flight away from extremely touristic areas. One of those areas, a city, was the most visited city in the world a few years ago.
- I've met a few volunteers and they seemed quite willing to volunteer for whatever I decide to do here (if I do anything). For those unfamiliar: WWOOF and Workaway
Also- Any suggestions on where I should ask this question on the internet?
Plant potatoes. Charge rich families to come out and harvest potatoes as a "total farm experience". Sell them as a "rustic handgrown" crop.
Take the profit and buy a shit ton of meth and smoke until your heart explodes. Die with a smile as you escape late stage capitalism ✨️
💫Ascention💫
Plant an orchard.
Pawlonia trees. Fastest growing wood in the world
Take a tupperware container set and test the water supplied to the field for PH value using a pack of litmus papers, then test the four corners and center of your field by scooping up some dirt, adding some water, and testing with litmus paper. Next, drain out the water and let it evaporate and look for signs of crystalization or condensates. Seal some of your soil samples to see if a healthy soil biome blooms in the sample, fungus and such.
A good healthy soil will have a strong biome. It and its water supply should be close to PH 6 to 7 for most tall grass and similar crops. There should be little to no saline in your soil, signs of that might indicate a brine pit forming in the water table near your land.
The most valuable single-season crops are crops that you can process yourself rather than selling to a granary. For examples: milled flour, corn byproducts, alcoholic ingredients, beets for sugar, bamboo, or switchgrass fermented into propionic acid biofuel. The major downside to being your own processor is that you're also your own distributor which is very difficult.
Make sure to join up with any farming groups in your area and get insured for any farming you do. Also get somebody to provide some bee boxes.
Put, like, three single family homes on it.
There's some great ideas in this thread but sadly I think most of them are fairly high risk.
Doing anything in this kind of scope is going to cost a lot of capital. If it goes wrong all that money is gone.
I would lease it to a farmer.
Maybe reserve a corner where you can build up some basic facilities. I'm not sure what's popular where you are but here in Australia you can find places like this on hipcamp where you can camp for a few dollars a day.
Use your income to build basic facilities over time. Toilets, showers, kitchen, solar.
Parking Lot
You could look into rewilding the land
as an investment
Edit: but, also:
are you leasing it to a farmer? or are you building a poop resort? i can't tell which one it is because you listed both
Edible forest
Pine trees for pulp wood? Pickle ball court?
Tbh, starting a sustainable timber operation seems like a pretty good idea if you can afford to wait 15-20 years for the investment to start to pay off. Idk, I guess you could offer it as a camp/hunting ground in the meanwhile.
Annually or sometime a couple times a year, rake the pine straw, have it bailed, then sell it to folks doing landscaping or have someone pay you for the right to do that.
In Georgia, roughly 100 acres of pine trees sell for around $1.5mil to $2mil when they are ready for harvest which is 15 to 20 years.
Sell 1x1 foot squares of it in a vending machine at a random gas station in the middle of nowhere.
With a hidden rent fee.
Imagine you get like 200 of those bought at random across the land, and no more, then you try to do something with the remaining land!
I would totally buy a gapcha token for one 1x1^2ft of inaccessible land from a vending machine.
This is why it'll sell, people like obscure shit.
Hemp and No-Till see what works afterwards but it's a market call what you plant! That's my understanding. Maybe you could do something like Lavander though?
Regenerative Agriculture / Permaculture
If you plan to lease out to a farmer, find one that won't fill it with herbicides and pesticides. And maybe look to only lease part of it while you work to recover other parts.
I'm looking to buy land that needs to be recovered and have the budget that will likely lead me to a place like this that doesn't have direct road access. Good luck!
make real life whiterun from skyrim. i saw land for sale as a kid and that was my only plan if i had bought it
Sex shack
I'd go to jail probably
That's why you get your cult followers to give you all their money, so you can afford lawyers, they can't, and the other followers can be readily coerced into placing social pressure on any dissent. This is about YOU, the work is about YOU, everything is about YOU and it always has been.
Tell you what not to do. I did the same and built an Rv park. Well so far that been a bust. They only work where they're lots of people. Also farming is an idea but only for your personal use. Farming for profit is a no win game. Depending on where this is located will decide what you can do with it. Also zoning.
Couple ideas:
- Sit on it. It'll just passively build value over time
- See if any cell service providers want to setup towers. They provide passive income as well, monthly
Sit on it.
It's been three hours.... Bored now, can I get up?
I had a family member who owned land in the sticks. He said you can earn a passive income letting a farmer use it. He let a guy bail hay to sell.
Meanwhile, sit on it for 20-30 years. The land multiplied in value many times over. Eventually, it got sold to a development firm to build multiple neighborhoods after the nearby city continued to expand in that direction.
Step 1, dig big hole, step two, become one with tge ant people, step 3 never see daylight again
Plant something ASAP on that naked land or it will all be carried away by rain and wind.
Looks like someone was farming it before, OP should contact them first since they will know about the potential and problems. Maybe make a percentage-of-profits deal rather than a lease. The timing is good for a crop, if they move quickly.
Or rewild it with native plants. Maybe some young trees on the windward edge, and seeds for a meadow
Plant some dang trees for starters, unless it's only going to be land used for farming.
Orchard farming, just add more tree
I vote for the dang trees. I like trees.
Ain't nobody speaking for them dang trees so lend a hand and give em a voice.
At least a wind block on the edges
Even then, dynamic agroforestry would be nice.
For now? Lease as much of that land as you can. Cover crop the rest. You do not want bare, tilled soil sitting there for a year+ as you figure out bigger plans.
Lease as much of that land as you can.
Careful. The Lemmy mob is watching 👀
Ha. Anyone who’s farmed knows that ag leases are such a different scenario and very negotiable, especially if you are working with someone who wants to see the land in production or help young farmers etc. I WISH there had been more willing landlords when I was farming, it took me two years to find a place at all. Lemmings can hate once they’ve negotiated their own ag lease 👀 👩🏻🌾
Mmmmm local grown food and a landlord!? 🍽️ 🍽️ 🍽️
:P
No answer here, just wanted to say you inadvertently wrote one of the most interesting geolocation challenges I've seen.
Are you interested in helping with this challenge? :D
I might try finding it later but still no idea what to do with the field, sorry :p
Looks like Türkiye to me.
How close are you to high voltage transmission lines? This might be good for an commercial sized solar farm.
There's a solar farm 1km away. I heard here it would require like $1m of investment and it pays for itself in 7 years but that's above my pay grade AFAIK
I mean...
So do 1/10th of that. 100k pays for itself in 7 years? Still have 9/10 of your land to play with.
Just a thought. turnkey operations are geist for land ownership.
YMMV. We've got a local solar farm & the operation has gone belly-up, changed hands twice. It's got to be on its third investor/owner. Also depends on the quality of your build & your local weather; that solar field isn't even fully operational yet. Got hit by a massive hail storm maybe almost 2 years ago, it had to have smashed a couple hundred solar panels.
If you're interested in it, I'd be very careful. Insure everything. Ask everybody, people in the industry if possible.
You could get a smaller amount of panels at first, and later expand your solar farm. But I don't know if that would keep the costs low enough to be manageable for you, as solar panels aren't even the most expensive part of a solar farm. The biggest upfront investment would probably be all the electrical gear, e.g. the inverter, etc.
You could try getting a loan. Demand for renewable electricity is pretty high after all, banks might be willing to invest in something like this.
I couldn't tell you what to do with it but if I move to europe I will work on your commune and help with whatever as long as you'll have me lol
25 decares is a lot of land, you could have an entire city there. If the land is viable for farming you could allot enough of it to produce whatever you would need to sustain the population of the property, and have the rest of the place developed into living spaces and recreational areas like you said. A sports park, little golf course, botanical gardens, animal sanctuaries. Thats stuff for citizens to do besides meditate.
I mean, this is a real opportunity to create generational prosperity not just for you but for everyone who is involved in building it up. I hope that, whatever happens, you keep it safe from people who would see it turned into more wealthy suburbs or a cash crop operation that kills the soil in a generation.
Good luck to you on your journey and, again, I'd be thrilled to be a part of it
Dude I would homestead the shit out of that. Better be careful or they'll have a bunch of lemmings (Lemmy nerds?) show up with a trowel and high hopes.
If you would like to live there someday I would recommend that as your goal. I would recommend you start doing some research on permaculture which is about building wholly sustainability. Part of this sustainability is financial and piecewise building and investment. So if you want to build and live on this one day you will need the money for it.
So start with leasing the land for at least 1 year to get some cash and for you to better understand where you might want to build a structure and what you need. This allows you to plan and see what part would fit a dwelling the best. This also lets you figure out what you need for this house (i.e. water, electricity, waste removal etc.) as well as figure out how this investment can make money for you. Start small and build modularly. Your dwelling may start on as shack or even a place to set up a tent and grow larger. Same with whatever you end up doing with the land.
Permaculture talks about building food forests which are sustainable year round sources of food, goods or materials. Some of which you can sell or use yourself. These are typically perennial plants, vines and trees which all grow off each other and make a beautiful space. This can be your space for "remote working" either for yourself or visitors.
While planning on starting on this you can continue to lease your land to farmers as you slowly take it over yourself for your bigger vision. This is suppose to be small, slow but sustainable growth to your final vision.
You bought a bunch of land with no plan for it??
It looks like it’s been farmed recently. I don’t know what the growing season there is, you might be too late to start this year, but if you can lease it to a farmer for this season that at least has the land be productive while you figure out your longer-term plan. That way you can put plans in place to start work when the growing season is finished.
You bought a bunch of land with no plan for it??
It is common in this country to invest in land. It would have been better to invest in US tech stocks but I was young and not well informed
Any thoughts on figuring out longer-term plan?
Actually, you might have dodged a bullet with those tech stocks.
Any zoning issues? May be worth splitting it up, lease some for farming for now, set up a couple of acres for a small utility/living area so you can visit and stay for short periods or permanently so you can get a sense of actually being there... Seasons, smells, sounds, wildlife, infrastructure like roads will all impact what the experience or opportunities actually are and often bday depending on the time of year.
Did you ever see the movie Holes (2003)?
Are you suggesting they might have a no good dirty rotten pig stealing great great grandfather?
There are many people who want food grown in natural environments and where the animals are taken care of. A bit like Clarksons Farm on tv.
Does leasing the land pay enough to make it worthwhile? Gives you time to think.
If it's fertile land you should probably use it, or lease it, to grow food.
Farming is not easy. Until you learnt to be good at it you'll put in a lot of hours into making not much money after costs have been paid.
If I had this land, I'd grow food.
Idk the yours or OPs situation but the start up costs of running a farm are pretty high. Not to mention the actual farming work part of it.
With all the rage about digital detox trips you could probably get people to grow food for you while paying you for the opportunity, if the marketing is done right.
MMM, field lobsters
As in subsistence farming or trying to bring food to market? If the former, it will be a hard path, but possible.
OP is not in the USA
If the latter, have you seen what is happening in the current food markets? For produce (quick spoilage) other nations are rejecting our produce either because of tariffs or because of retaliatory tariffs. For commodity grains like corn and soybeans, previous giant consumers like USAID, USDA, and other agencies are being cut or destroyed entirely meaning there will be a glut of production on the market for some time. Couple that with visa restrictions/deportations, the price of labor will increase substantially. Food prices are going to crater for a time because of this, and some farmers will go out of business. Those that survive will increase prices to cover all of the new expenses, but they won't be earning more profit from their work.
Did you check that you're actually allowed to build and live there? Depending on where that is (i guess left out on purpose), you can't simply decide to build a house in a field.
Yes I can build 250m2 of house here but that would kill land's future investment potential (organized industrial area expansion is the development play here)
So instead I plan to use tents to host people if I ever do something here
Though, I guess I can build sheds if they are easy/cheap to remove. I don't know much about construction
In the short term, leasing to a farmer isn't a bad idea. It looks like a lot of your tentative plans will take time and money, so a short term land rental might be a good idea.
Leasing it to a farmer seems like the obvious choice. I'm not sure digital nomads would be all that interested in working in the middle of a field.
I'd love to see land like this returning to nature with native vegetation, but that would take a really long time and doesn't come with an obvious path to making a profit. Unless you sell it to developers for a higher price in a few years, of course.
What about a campsite?
No yoghurt weaving digital nomad yoga shite.
Just a plain old campsite that people can stay on with their campervans, caravans, tents etc
You'd probably need a shower and toilet at least.
Ideas 1, 2, and 4 could come together with a permaculture food forest/farm. First task would be to cover crop the land to protect from soil loss and start replenishing some nutrients. Then, you have some time to make a good, phased plan of how you'd want to develop it.
Talk to experts and professionals whichever direction you take. They'll often save you much more than they cost.
Serious answer. A outdoor area surrounded by casinos. Walking/biking areas only. You'll need investment from builders. But you build it, they will come.
But ditch the casinos. They ruin lives.
Create a startup in reasearch and development of fully autonomous robotic electrical helicopters with swappable batteries and shiny plush seats for the passengers etc.pp. Collect huge venture capital for it.
Don't forget to brag about your $1 salary!
Go broke after 3 years with a shrug.
Rent that land for some nice money to your startup as a test airfield.
/s
As a yoga retreat site, what is your unique selling point? It’s a crowded market and that looks like plain old farmland to me. While peaceful and quiet, why would I stay there and not somewhere more scenic?
It is better to meditate in middle of nowhere (Total lack of distractions :D). Also lack of proper infrastructure enables people to feel more connected to nature which is not a lie. I have no great answer but I can try to make the community culture better than others by being there as owner and organizing events. I could keep it cheap or offer free stuff like free vegan food and free massages. If I can arrange a place to dance on, I could teach social dancing.
It does lack greenery but it felt pretty scenic to me when I was there. It is just kinda nothing in all directions. Nice breeze. Clean air. No bugs. I much rather be there than here (I'm in a normal apartment in a good location in the city) right now.
Try to grow fucks and then distribute them free of charge?
Rewild it with native flora, do yurts and whatever to attract people to live in a sustainable way with community gardening. Activities can initially revolve around returning the land to a more natural state. As things mature people will invest in the community themselves, creating their own activities etc.
Land is one of the few things you can just sit on and it's guaranteed to gain value, they're not making any more of it, as a matter of fact we're losing it to climate change with desertification and rising sea levels.
If it's farmable land I would rent it out to a farmer and make some extra cash, and if at any point you need some money you can always sell a few acres, otherwise it would be better than any amount of Cold hard Cash to hand down to any children you may have.
Dirt farming
Is there water access on the property? Potential for drilling a well?
Without a steady source of water, farming is problematic.
It has clearly been used as farmland already. And in most places where farming is common we could traditionally rely on rain, though I guess climate change is making everything funky.
OP posted a rain graph here, it maxes out at 28% in May, which is not exactly a sustained growing season or reliable enough for regular crops.
Just because the ground has been graded doesn't mean it's been used for farming.
We really need forestland to bind C-atoms from the Co2 in our air. That would be the most heroic approach. Also wholesome since it creates habitat.
forest management resulting in slow money
Looks like a whole lot of nothing. Farming is the only thing you can do if even that
Why is the village depopulated, if there's a huge industrial zone nearby presumably with lots of employees? I was thinking workers might want to buy or rent low cost housing near their workplace if the land is zoned for it and you could get electric and a well, then build some simple small housing. But if they're not buying in the village, might not be a great idea unless there's something wrong or lacking with available properties in the village.
Usually people in villages want to move to modern areas. Villages are old, boring, ugly, etc usually
Workers of industrial zone live in residential areas near the industrial zone. You could see that area in the picture below if you zoom
BMX Park
It's my field of fucks I have left to give. Where did you find it?
If you're thinking yoga retreats etc, I'd consider building an Earthship or two first. They're totally eco-friendly, almost hobbit-like buildings. They fit the vibe and would give you a base of operations for future plans.
That seems like far too little rain to do much farming without totally draining local aquifers.
I might be wrong but this area is relatively wet despite little rain. There's even a small swamp in middle of my parcel. There's a big river 1km away
Serious answer: maybe just describe your land details to like chatgpt and ask how you can make the land "economically productive"
If you build it
They will come
What does VISA sponsorship require? Maybe you could setup a farm/agrarian business and offer VISA sponsorship for migrants. As an American, I'd consider becoming a farmer with the opportunity to become an EU citizen lol probably not easy to do for a reason though.
I feel like solar farming was a good suggestion from someone else. Maybe plant some trees if you're not keen on making it a farm. If you can get it zoned, you might be able to get investment for residential? Though public transportation is lacking, maybe you could be the start of a small apartment complex or something like that. Idk much about this kind of thing.
Be a farmer. Don't try to profit off of landholding - that's for leeches. You don't want to be a leech, do you?
OP and the land would both be better off with an experienced farmer doing the farming. At least for the upcoming growing season. But they should have an ethical contract, like a percentage of profit rather than a leech lease.
What if the farmer is skilled and wants to keep 100% of the profits above a cheap fixed lease?
