The "logic" goes like this: (sarcasm)
It's ok to burn down the planet for profit. It's ok to destroy the ecosystem on which we all depend for food, clean water. It's ok to make bombs and sell them to those dropping them on hospitals and children. It's ok to pollute the air with deadly particles no one can avoid.
But you just CANNOT... you just CANNOT be in a way of someone carrying a few tons of steel of a metal cage through a city. That's not something that we as a society will accept
Should we tell them their family joined the protest?
My favorite retort to those advocating for running over protesters:
If it's OK for you to run over protesters blocking your path on the highway, it's also OK for me to set fire to your car if you park it in the bike lane.
Yeah, but to know which car to burn down you'd have to see them run over you and by that time ur dead.
My ex father in law was badly injured running into a car broken down, parked in a bike lane (there wasn't anywhere else they could have stopped). He was training for a triathlon which he didn't get to participate in, nursing two broken arms
Sometimes even without the help of arseholes your bike lane may be blocked. Look up regularly, people.
I wouldn't park in a bike lane because I'm not an idiot.
I also wouldn't block a live roadway for a protest as it is just inconveniencing others and would only alienate them from the cause I'm trying to advocate for, also because I'm not an idiot.
This is a style of protest where I really have a problem. My stance on it is "protest however you like, do not block roads". I understand that the point of a protest is to be disruptive but I feel like that is a line too easily crossed.
An example I expirenced was a long time ago when I lived in Boston and there was some climate protestors that did their stunt on mass pike (the big highway into the city). They put a pipe through a bunch 55-gallon drums, dragged them out of their trucks onto the highway, handcuffed themselves to another protester in the pipe, and then filled the drum with instant concrete. Blocked traffic for hours while the cops had to cut them out of their contraptions. The problem was that there were several emergency vehicles stuck in the jam that they made, while protesting is an admirable persuit, these people caused the
deaths of atleast 2 others(the redirection of emergency services, and endangered the lives of random individuals) because the ambulance they were in got stuck in the gridlock.IIRC, most of the protestors got manslaughter or worse charges and spent a few years in prision. (Edit: It was pointed out I am misremembering the concequences for its organizers and what they were protesting, the point still stands)This may just be a random internet tale to most, but it really should highlight that protesting must be more than random disruption and it has to be coordinated (within itself and with local municipalities), otherwise people get hurt.
Fun fact, that event is easily searchable.
Either your memory of the event is falling, or you're lying.
It was a racial justice protest.
Nobody died. One man with life threatening injuries went to a different hospital and no further news was reported on that.
Nobody was charged with manslaughter, the most serious charge was disorderly conduct.
Everything you said about the protesters can almost certainly be said about the important things to protest over. People die from our shitty system every day. Denied healthcare claims take hundreds of lives a year. Genocides speak for themselves. You just don't care because those things don't personally effect you at the moment.
Your anger is directed at the wrong target.
That's what a disruptive protest looks like though. If workers go on a general strike, do you honestly think that won't cause some people to die from losing access to vital services? Every protest or action that secured the rights you have today resulted in some innocent bystanders dying. Hell, think about how many innocent people had their lives disrupted due to the Civil War. When Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus, do you think that didn't cause disruption to normal bus operations that day?
In truth, I think you just want protests that are easy to ignore. You seem the kind of moderate MLK said was the greatest threat to progress. You're not openly opposed to progress, but you don't want change to cause any kind of disruption that might conceivably hurt or inconvenience someone. And unfortunately, we live in a society where everything is connected to everything. You can't disrupt it without putting life and limb on the line somewhere.
So, I challenge you this. You said you don't mind disruptive protest, but just not like blocking the roads like that. Can you give a few examples of disruptive protests you would approve of?
Splattering lives is okay,but shattering such windows is the promotion of violence? Honestly? 🔨
In capitalist US, property is more valuable than human life.
Ah, so that's why they try to reestablish slavery. Make people property again to protect them. Got it!
Property is more valuable than human life everywhere in the world. For example, two million children die from hunger each year. 7$ will protect a child from malaria for a season. I could save so many lives by selling everything I own and donating it to charity, and yet I don't. And neither do you, or most of the rest of the world.
Life has value. Each of us estimates our own life to be invaluable, but the life of those farther and farther away has less and less value for us. Not because it's not actually worth less, but because we're tribal beings. We care about ourselves first, then our tribe, then if we have any extra resources we might care about other tribes too.
But yeah, what I'm saying is I'd let the entirety of lemmy die for a crisp 1$ note and I'd lose no sleep about it, y'all were born in the wrong tribe.
The mod might be referring to the sticker itself. "Don't post bumper stickers that promote violence."
Then the mod should have posted the comment as it's own comment and pinned it to the top.
Can any lawyers answer this:
If the person driving that vehicle did end up running someone over, and had that sign in the window, would they get an elevated charge?
To me, that sort of thing is like premeditation, and it would be extremely hard for me to believe that an “accident” led to them killing someone with their vehicle.
Not a lawyer but, premeditation isn’t what you think it is; one can premeditate an action in seconds, the concept really just conveys that the individual had time to think of the consequences.
But yeah, a sticker like this would certainly hurt the case of any defendant. It wouldn’t likely get them any modifiers (though it would help), but it could definitely affect a judge’s decision on how much time they should serve.
Not a lawyer, but I think stuff like this is a minefield. The defense would try to get it thrown out as prejudicial and without the suspect testifying all they could do is show a picture to an officer of it who affirms that he saw it on the car and enter it into evidence, but they could only indirectly talk about it in opening and closing because nobody can personally testify about the motivations behind the sticker.
I think it would be easy to defend against, with so many of those stickers around it could easily demonstrate just a particular sense of humour
Double standards
Edit: my mistake, it's not visible on the screenshot, but the "i hope you get shot" didn't get removed for promoting violence, there is no mod reply to it.
Lots of reddit communities are fascist communities
They're a more marketable demographic.
Condoning violence against things while condemning violence against people is really not such a big contradiction, especially when said thing is used to hurt people.
Edit: Then again, a guy wanting other people to get shot probably doesn't argue in good faith anyway.
Condoning violence against things while condemning violence against people is really not such a big contradiction, especially when said thing is used to hurt people.
That's opposite to what happened. They condemned violence against property, and condoned violence against a person
Another reason to stay out of the usa. Not just anecdotal, we're talking about a country where walking on a public street can be illegal, and people who do are sometimes called a slur.
Because cities aren't for people to live in, they're for cars to drive trough
In general, the US seems to be weirdly pro-violence.
Being beaten up is portrayed as perfectly normal in media and advocating for violence (like here) seems to be totally okay for many.
That's fucked up.
It's strange because we also have an extreme culture of litigation, and so much as an unwelcome or aggressive touch (without injury) could technically support a civil lawsuit or criminal charges for assault/battery.
The difference is that we apply justice differently depending on your political belief, so the acceptable violence is usually one-directional. Any violence by left protestors will be treated akin to terrorism. If you're a right wing crazy harassing people protesting for a left cause, police will look the other way and you may not even be convicted for murder (e.g., Rittenhouse). Worse, the police are usually the ones being irrationally violent - like the George Floyd protests in which nonviolent civil protest was suppressed with military-level equipment, tactics and violence.
It’s because we have a lot of repressed rage because we know deep down we really are one of the shittiest countries, despite what all the cousin-humping country singers keep caterwauling about.
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
Walking on a street can be illegal? How? Can you expand a bit on that, please?
"Jay" is an old English slur. "Jaywalking" refers to walking on a public street illegally. For highways, it makes sense that you're not supposed to walk there. But in America this "jaywalking" can even apply to city streets.
If you're not in America, then it might just sound ridiculous. That's because it is
There are jaywalking laws where you can be stopped for crossing against the light, against the right of way in general, etc. Not sure what the slur is. I think Jay used to be a mild insult?
I saw a cartoon on here once with an out-of-towner complaining about all the horse-carriages in this "Jay town" but I can't find it.
do you think redneck is a slur too?
how about dork?
What would your mom think?
This is reddit mods in a nutshell
Similar story to how I ended up IP banned.
Story about a politician advocating for killings and kangaroo court imprisonments> i make a comment saying "yeah this guy is gonna end up dead if he tries this" > banned for threats of violence. .. appeal, arguing that it wasn't a threat. Just an acknowledgment of political volatility.. suggested mods were politically biased for seeing it that way. > appeal rejected and permabanned
edit - I understand reddit mods dont issue IP bans, but I was hit for ban evasion after abandoning a cooked account that they refused to let me appeal. the ban evasion rule is a "gotcha" to make people , any and all . to go away. I only say that this time it was an IP ban because I had been perma'd before, only to immediately move to a new account I already had made (and on the same device no less).
my guess was algorithms improved /s
Yeah, Reddit moderation is... Fucky wucky. But this is also a general problem in American society. It's perfectly okay to kill people for profit, but if you break a window you're the bad guy doing a violence. (It may be present in others as well, I just don't know)
Banned for similar reason. Mod misinterpreted my wording and IP banned for inciting violence. 100 characters max in your appeal so impossible to explain yourself.
Does anyone actually have a foolproof way of dodging an IP ban? I miss participating in my city's local sub.
I actually have a bit of a conspiracy that reddit flags accounts who don't make them money (don't buy coins, doesn't use app, uses Firefox, etc) and specifically watches them for TOS violations.
Similar for me. In so many words, a JFK quote paraphrased. Make peaceful reform impossible and violent revolution becomes inevitable. Banned at the IP address level.
How can anyone be so lacking in self awareness?
It gets easier to understand once you accept that some people just operate on bad faith.
It’s a requirement for maga.
It’s a car brain sub.
Compartmentalization.
There should be a community of "just reddit things" like this
There is a reddit community, usually used in that way.
there is but I have it blocked.
Fucking Reddit mods. I got perma banned for saying I wished that MTG would trip and swallow her own head.
She'd have to pull it out of her ass first.
It's a vortex of constantly eating itself
You have been permabanned on /r/MagicTheGathering
Ah yes, the classic actionable threat of impossible self-inflicted cartoon injury.
Thanks for making me chuckle. I'll also be stealing this.
If I saw this, I would shatter it.. in Minecraft only, of course.
Ah yes, the ol Minecraft defense. We almost had you.
God, I feel the same. Then I started to wonder if I could find some of mark rober's fart liquid and find some way to put it in a dissolvable capsule that I could place at the gap between the hood and the windshield.
I care.
Wow can't believe you support the nazi rallies /s
if I saw this I would let the air out of the tires of the vehicle
what kind of degenerate sub is that lol
The Reddit kind
There are a few good subs, typically the same ones that didn't protest the API changes and just kept on like they have been keeping on
You did it, you fit the entire US vibe into one picture!
Anyone manage to find the actual comment link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bumperstickers/comments/1hnl472/comment/m42lf0u/
Going back to this wretched place gave me PTSD...
Oof, I scrolled for a good 10 minutes. I couldn't find the comment, probably deleted.
A crazy mix of "politics" in there. The sheer amount of people who have no problem telling the world they have no problem running over people simply because they don't want to slow down in the street is concerning.
Looks like a photoshop, not a real sticker. Not a lot of pixels, but it doesn’t curve right, reflect or warp with the window. Squared up with tbe image orientation, not the window or defroster lines like a human would apply a sticker.
Everyone grabbing pitchforks all the same.
That's not the point. The OP straight up advocates maiming or killing people in a known Terrorist TTP. But the guy who talks about a window gets banned.
Just because it's a render doesn't mean it's fake. It's probably a preview used at a decal store and it was grabbed from there. Here's an example. I'm only linking to prove what I'm saying. I don't want anyone to actually buy one.
Doesn't make it real. You can render whatever example you want for custom stickers just like a meme. It’s mashing the “easy” button in lieu of a photoshop. Someone made this as ragebait, and it should be treated as such. By your measure I could say I might print a meme as a sticker and now it’s “real” even if I don’t print it.
it's real... links have been provided to the reddit post lol
it's clearly an image advocating murder and mods deleting comments advocating vandalism while leaving the murder ones up
whether the image posted to reddit is a photoshop is irrelevant. the issue is which violence the mods chose to promote and which to ban
The moderator username is implying that it's a subreddit that is for marketing cringe stickers to suckers
Appropriate. Seems to be effective.
Keep your murder-machine out of my city. Please.
Ok, I no longer regret incentivizing violence, as this mod is downright incentivizing something alright.
Trucks and SUVs are being weaponized today in the same way airliners were weaponized in 2001.
What ?
Driving trucks through crowds is the new 9/11. That's what they're saying.
Hijacking an airplane is a lot harder now, but any jackass with a credit card can rent a yank-tank and drive it into a pedestrian rich environment. That's a much larger attack surface, and we can't reasonably defend from it without oppressive surveillance and other personal freedom restrictions.
Sounds like one of those "no lives matter" militant extremist white supremacists.
Tyres get flatter‽
*in Minecraft
I don't mean to be pessimistic, but "Nobody cares about your protest" seems true. Fuck cars BTW
People who don't care usually don't bother decorating their cars with the thing they totally don't care about.
so we should murder them? come on.
the disruption is the point of the protest. stop criticizing marginalized groups for how they choose to engage in civic action
Hot take: DON'T FUCKING BLOCK ROADS WHILE PROTESTING!!
There's a difference if you announce prior the specific highways or roads that'll be blocked, but sitting in front of cars that are going about their business is shitty behaviour. Looking at you "Just Stop Oil".
"Don't disrupt anything with your protest. Be small, and unseen."
"Also, don't interfere with the operation of your boss's business when striking. It's really shitty when they lose revenue, and when I don't get my doodads in a timely manner!"
Way to miss the point there buddy. Don't interfere with regular civilians is the point. Absolutely, disrupt businesses if that's the point of your protest. Look at the BLM protests as an example. They blocked out large swathes of roads so that no one would be able to enter. They didn't disturb those who were already driving.
Also, no one says the protest has to be small. Press exists for a reason.
me when my unpaid full time job is to virtue signal on a bumper sticker sub reddit
Fuckcars was a reasonable community in the beginning but once karma farming started it went 0 tolerance quick. It's like some militant vegan energy vampire mod saw the potential and took it. Now it's some matrix situation where they feed off a constant flow of rage.
Reddit and mostly all "social" media only care about engagement. Psychologists have found out that negative information has a significantly higher chance of user engagement to respond (comment, share) than positive information
It's why ragebait is so effective and why it's everywhere (even Lemmy and BlueSky,)
Yeah, you seem totally different
They’re dunking on the mod for saying smashing a window = violence
I'm all for protests, but please don't block major roadways or interstates.
emergency services use the same roads and your protest will kill someone. pile up on the sides of the road, throw paint balloons in the streets, throw your shit at cars passing by. I really don't care.
just keep the streets clear for emergency services.
Every single protest I went to split to let emergency vehicles through.
Protests are supposed to be disruptive.
every protest I've seen on highways or streets smashed ambulances and cop cars trying to get through.
does that mean every protest is like that? no. does that mean we can't all work together to ensure to protection of human life? no.
protests are supposed to be disruptive but don't damage your message out of spite for society. target buildings or locations that speak to the movement. have a problem with the cops? surround every police station. have a problem with the city? block access to cityhall.
protests are meant to actually mean something, a defined message to the establishment that's clear and easy for others to get behind.
everything else is just a riot.
In Germany, if the protest was registered before, emergency services will avoid the roads and use alternative routes.
that's great, wish they did that in the US.
Some asshole protesters were blocking the highway here in Seattle at one point and prevented me from getting to a vet appointment for my puppy with cancer.
Fuck people who block highways.
