Donald Trump’s racist NYC rally was vile. It was also political suicide
Donald Trump’s racist NYC rally was vile. It was also political suicide
The Madison Square Garden rally, operatic in its repulsive bigotry, will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump.
Saying that whatever Trump does is political suicide misses the biggest issue with this election-
Nobody cares what either of them say because an awful lot of the electorate simply isn't listening.
The Trump voters would keep voting for Trump even if he joined the Nazi party. The rest of voters have either tuned out or are pushing Kamala simply because she's not Trump so she must be better.
An awful lot of people have just made up their minds and aren't listening for anything new.So having a headline that Trump says something offensive is news to nobody. What would have been political suicide a decade or two ago is business as usual today. Whatever standards we once have politicians to, we no longer hold them to.
If you still think anything trump could do is political suicide, you are too naive to be writing about politics.
It's the Daily Beast, afterall. Not even Wikipedia considers them reliable.
Nothing is political suicide for Trump. He was right when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and he wouldn't lose any supporters. His followers are a cult and the only way they would stop following him is if he somehow turned brown or black.
He even said "take the guns now, proper process later" ad didn't even lost NRA support
Obviously. The NRA is a racist organization more than a gun one if you actually scrutinize it.
If this is what it takes to sink Trump's ship then I'll fully give up on ever making sense of anything ever again.
Don't get me wrong, that shit show was a national embarrassment, but it wasn't surprising.
Whatever. Vote, folks.
Saying that you could stand out in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody dead I did not affect your campaign should equally have been political suicide.
Political suicide is dead.
On the contrary, this is actually the strategy to win the swing voters. Some of them just need to be haters and they win bigly.
That man is politically immortal. There is nothing he can do to "commit political suicide".
He can lose, repeatedly. But that doesn't really end Trumpism. It just mutates the brand into Republicans who can pitch themselves as "winners".
A big problem with Lincoln Project Republicanism is that it doesn't refute the fundamental fascist tenants of Trumpism (the xenophobia, the white nationalist Christiandom, anti-Democratic sentiments). They just pitch Trump as on the wrong side of foreign policy (not hawkish enough on Russia or China).
So we end up with Trump on one end and Ted Cruz on the other, as our range of conservative options.
I came to say something like "too bad this guy is a zombie, smells like one too."
Exactly. Just like the other hundreds of disqualifying things.
The Madison Square Garden rally, operatic in its repulsive bigotry, will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump.
Will it really? Is there someone out there who didn't know until this event that he was a bigot and an awful person and is now going to change their mind?
You know what's crazy? That answer is almost certainly yes.
I live in a red area and more and more people are starting to see some cracks
I live in a Southern city. I shop in nice stores that are advertised in Garden & Gun.
They are selling Reagan Bush ‘80 and Reagan Bush ‘84 swag.
That is a dog whistle to say “I’m not down with Trump, but it’s not because I’m not conservative”.
There are serious cracks.
I live in a red state and I saw a jacked up truck flying a full size giant Kamala Harris flag the other day, my jaw dropped
Harris HQ did a lot of things right and Trump HQ got locked in either doubling down and becoming more pronounced fascist (like here) therefore risking moderate republican votes or becoming too boring and letting people see through their incompetence and Trump's senility when they aren't caught up blind from constant MAGAtation.
It's always so interesting (or heartbreakingly depressing) for me to hear this. I have seen that to some extent where I live, although very tepidly. However, when I go visit friends and family in much more red areas I feel like I'm going into bizarro world. People are doubling and tripling down. It's like a weird arms race or something between trump and his sycophants as they desperately try to keep up with each other in terms of bigotry and just overall insanity and/or stupidity. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that, in those areas, they ate this stuff up and asked for seconds.
It would make me incredibly happy if this was some sort of breaking point and it actually did open some eyes but having been there and seen the countless gigantic trump/Vance flags hanging from the bed of outrageously lifted pickups, I just don't see it.
Yeah, the "political suicide" bit is immediately questionable. The fact that this race is even close has destroyed any remaining shreds of faith in my fellow Americans.
Trump could go up in stage and rant about black people, using the hard-R; he could repeat the sexist comments he's already famous for; he could probably even criticize Christians - none of it would move the needle. People voting for him aren't doing so because they think he's a great person; they're doing it because they hate liberals.
I think it would actually get him more votes.
I think they are voting for him because of the things they believe he is or stands for. Let's assume some people cherish kindness, then these people believe he is kind even if he's obviously not. They want to believe.
They are analogously not voting for Harris out of what they believe she stands for: destroying their values, installing communism, surrendering to the Soviet Union, all on day one. Because they want to believe.
8 years later, still riding that click-generating wave of “can you believe how racist this guy is?!”
Exactly my reaction.
Making people aware might give more of a push to people who otherwise wouldn't vote. It isn't about changing the minds of maga shits.
The first half of this skit will explain , like it is which multi-millionaire who does not respect you do you choose? The one lying that it is all fair, or the crybaby who says its not. Even with a Billion dollars Harris does not feel safe, and Trump has ro go so see Elon (who needs to be culled already). In all this voting third party is the crazy choice because?
Holy nonsense false equivalence, Batman. Harris's net worth (with her husband), is about $8 million, much of which comes from book sales, pensions, and the value of her home. I'll take the millionaire who earned her assets via public service, investment, and work over the supposed billionaire who earned his assets via loans from daddy, grift, fraud, lies, and a history of refusal to pay bills.
In all this voting third party is the crazy choice because?
Because you started with a ridiculous lie to justify it, maybe? Or, alternatively, because it's stupid and self-defeating.
The one lying that it is all fair, or the crybaby who says its not.
Yep, that's the only difference between the two candidates. You nailed it!
(This is sarcasm. You're an idiot.)
Because Jill Stein is also a multimillionaire.
If he wins I swear I'm going to post a collage of these moronic article titles claiming gg ez a week before elections.
Feels 1:1 like 2016.
The headline was stupid and it doesn’t match the article. The article was not nearly as categorical, And said that the points in the speech are red meat for his base but likely to turn off undecided voters
That's because 3/4 of the FSB intelligence department is rotting in a crater somewhere in Ukraine.
It wasn't the rape charges, or saying he wants to fuck his daughter, or saying immigrants are eating pets, or that people are getting abortions at 9 months, or trying to build that stupid fucking wall, or banning Muslims, or botching covid, or the insurrection, or calling on proud boys, or having meeting with Putin, or having meetings with Netanyahu, or...
I will continue to say, and I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else who opposes this shitstain, the fact that he was President once and is very likely to be President again speaks volumes on who the American people are and it's not nice.
A large chunk of you think this man is a good representation of you on the world stage. Someone who is weak, overweight, obnoxious, loud, a bully, sexist, racist, I can go on. This is who a large chunk of Americans feel best represents them.
People are products of their environment.
A majority of this country did NOT vote for him. He never won the popular vote. He only won because assholes who crafted our systems of power did so to better serve the rich.
We are overweight because of our terrible deregulated food industry filled with garbage and our lack of walkable living spaces in most places Americans live. Hardly any place can be gotten to in the country with out a car.
We are uneducated because the rich have shaped our education system to remove any word about the Pullman Strike… about the original meaning of red-neck… about the bombing of Tulsa… as none of those things serve capital’s interests. So many Americans are angry because members from both major parties (with a few notable exceptions) mostly serve capital, which has allowed people’s material conditions to have worsened to a point that has ripened these same poorly-educated people for demagogues offering them easy scapegoats to shift the blame for their plight.
You can be angry, but to blame Americans for this is as if we have had much say kind of ignores what’s been happening here since at least Reagan’s time, if not longer.
Of course. I have always found it astonishing that anyone can behold DT and think he should be in charge of the country. Of course, same for Limbaugh or all the people in Fox who act like disingenuous assholes nonstop.
..grab 'em by the pussy, or vets are suckers and losers, or his love letters with Kim, or his generals not being loyal like hitler's, or shoving light up the asses of covid victims, or bleach, or TAKING A SHARPIE TO A HURRICANE MAP, or never releasing his financial records, or his fucking health records, or...
I've lost count of how many "political suicides" Trump has allegedly gone through since 2015.... Yet somehow, here he still is...
My faith in humanity has been severely diminished by the fact his candidacy keeps surviving what in a sane world would be disqualifying events/revelations.
Kamala is expected to prove her worth for office and cannot be less than perfect, whereas Trump is allowed to repeatedly prove how unfit he is day after day
Some pundit had a catchy phrase for this. Trump can be lawless, but Kamala has to be flawless
Well, nazis are kind of like a society committing suicide, or maybe a murder-suicide. So it all fits.
The Daily Beast is essentially Fox News for democrats, and I say this as a democrat. I wouldn’t take much of what they say seriously. Especially their sensationalist headlines.
I mean if 'grab em by the pussy' didn't do it...
Dude commits political suicide for breakfast daily. His voters don't care.
Exactly.
they seem like a sister pub of dailyKOS
Unless people go out an vote, it won't be suicide. They're just pandering to their base. The Dems need to participate and not go on good feels a la 2016.
he's not planning to "win" by votes...
Yeah, but he's not in power unlike 2016. Yes, we should watch for and be ready to react within the law to fake elector schemes, collaborating with hostile foreign interests, inciting coups and violence, etc but if we do, there's fuck-all he can do about it. Trumpism dies with his political career. In the final stretch, let's reject him with so many votes they can't possibly claim another "stolen" election!
Donald Trump could walk around NYC naked and shrieking the n word and he wouldn't lose a single follower from his base. He's s got a cult of personality around him that is basically indestructible.
It seems that is what he's committed to. There isn't much talk of policy anymore from anyone on his team. They're going all in on explicit xenophobia and transphobia and so on for this final stretch.
I think trump could go on stage, strip naked, turn around and shotgun ass blast on the front row crowd and they'd still give their lives to vote for him
The next rally would charge a premium to sit in the "splash zone".
Damn dude, there's not enough xanax in the world to help me cope with that mental image.
Thanks hadn't laughed like that in a while xD
Naïve article overall. Writers should know better than to prognosticate on what could actually hurt Trump's chances. But this is a fantastic line:
That was clear early on when Tony Hinchcliffe, a man invited by Trump to give one of the introductory speeches—who in true MAGA fashion alleged without providing a shred of evidence that he was a comedian
Donald Trump has committed like, a couple dozen political suicides and stood back up, which is fucking alarming.
It helps him drastically that his supporters do not consider the same things that the media does as "political suicide". They instead see it as yet more reasons to support him, because he is everything they want to be: rich, powerful bastards with the willingness and shamelessness to be the most terrible version of themselves as possible. All because they hate poor people and minorities more than the rich fucks who are ACTUALLY fucking them over.
Lol, mocking a disabled reporter, bragging about sexual assault, praising Hitler and trying to overturn an election wasn't political suicide, stop trying to predict last straws for his career, there is no bottom.
Oh come on "journalists", please stop with this "end of the Republican party" bullshit.
None of this will kill the white supremacist party because forty percent of America is still identifying as white supremacist and another ten percent literally can't tell the difference between someone quoting Hitler and someone Hitler was a genocidal asshole that shouldn't be looked up to and those morons vote in Pennsylvania.
The Republican party is perfectly fine after this yet another time example of Republicans being Nazi sympathizers holding a major public really where they proudly proclaim their White Nationalist opinions and agenda.
I think the only hope for getting rid of this bullshit strain of conservatism here and across the world is that they hold the same beliefs in the next global pandemic.
My thoughts exactly. Every election cycle, there are a slew of "Republican voters won't be able to stomach THIS latest revelation!" articles. Then the Republicans dhed less than a rounding error of their voter base while picking up a nearly equal amount of votes from neo-Nazis or the like.
The party of immoral hypocrisy, "shockingly", doesn't care about the morality of their candidate so long as they "hurt the right people".
Was it though
One would think stealing and potentially selling sensible documents or a failed coup or the countless sexual allegations are political suicides. But now a racist clown will get him?
Ah, well, nevertheless
not a lot of voters will actually hear about this
Not to mention we're probably getting close to a third already casting their vote.
I caught the tail end of the story on NPR about how he apologized for one of the jokes and I just assumed it was one of the Nazi Rally jokes and was like "wow the nazi thing is finally getting some traction" but no it was the Puerto Rico thing.
I cannot express how ready I am for this shit to go away.
No it wasn't. It won't hurt his numbers at all.
It was intentional. They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake and distract voters from Trump being too frail to campaign. Trump voters are already racist shitbags. The strategy here is to make Harris seem shrill and unreasonable.
Also, all attention is good attention. That has been the rule of the Trump campaign since day one.
They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake
super walz to the rescue. seems like he has played the VP attack dog role pretty smartly. loud enough to make headlines with reasonably pointed attacks, while being "clean" enough to deflect incoming.
The strategy here is to make Harris seem shrill and unreasonable.
The idea that calling out bigotry as unacceptable can be 'shrill and unreasonable' is so ridiculous that I want to disbelieve you, except that I know enough about the world to know that it happens.
You can post online that you're upset that Israel is killing innocent people, and be told that saying that is 'Russian propaganda' etc. Anything can be spun as unacceptable, I guess.
It Was Also Political Suicide
DEAR GOD PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE!!!
Narrator - "it wasnt"
This opinion piece was an operatic exercise in wishful thinking. Even as it admits that at least 47% of the population loves everything spewed in that rally, it still called it political suicide.
47% of the electorate is not 47% of the population.
In 2016, when Trump won, he got 25% of the eligible populations vote.
Yep. The question is whether his open fascism cost him more votes than it gained, but that is a question.
It's a week before the election. Mark my words, he WILL shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose any voters.
It'll be the final sacrifice, the saying was just part of a larger prophecy.
Trump literally can not be too racist for his followers. How has a headline editor for a daily newsletter not realized this?
Unfortunately, I wish it was
However, right wing networks will skip the worst parts. Many of themwon't even know about the open racism, and they'll reframe the rest as humor, and claim Trump is hilarious.
It's even worse than the Nazis because I bet nobody claimed Hitler was a comedian at the time
It's scary to think how much more openly fucked his statements are going to be in the next few days and as an Aussie, I'm generally scared for you guys
Even if he loses you'll be in danger most likely, and it will take years to recover from Trump
If he wins, it is genuinely possible there won't be a few more years left for anyone (he has no problem taking down everyone with him)
On Sunday at MSG, Donald Trump engineered what will be seen by political analysts and later by historians as the coup de grâce that killed forever his prospects of being president and may well have set him on a post-election course on which he finally may be held accountable for his actions.
That is wishful thinking.
Yeah, I want this to be the end of Trump and his cult. But I don't think that it will be.
Like Emperor Palpatine, I don't think he'll actually die or stay dead..
He is losing NY anyways.
He's losing Colorado too. These rallies aren't for the locals, it's red meat for the base in the media clip era.
The rally wasn't for NY.
Where will Trump voters hear about the negatives? The 4th estate is not something they have any regard for or they wouldn't be on the fence. Newsmax, OAN, Fox, etc will all ignore the racism
There is still hope, the tankies aren't done with their contract yet and they have like 9 days left to help us all hear the soft words of Jill Stein.
(LMAO WHAT VAPID TWATS)
Are these "Tankies" with us in the room right now?
I’d like to throw the contrarion opinion on if Trump wins. I think it’s a solid 90% chance if Trump wins he uses his position to get out of his legal trouble and grift his fanbase for money over four years. He leaves in 2028 and one of his shitbag kids runs, loses the primary, and we go back to “normal” old white people from the GOP.
Good god, that would be nice.
Edit: it would obviously not be the best scenario, don’t at me
He leaves in 2028 and one of his shitbag kids runs
Or JorkusDorkus Vance runs for prez while carrying Project 2025 in his hands.
Let me ask you: When have you watched a political speech, and not just sound bytes? For most people, left or right, the answer is never. A ton of Republicans have never seen a single thing Trump has said or done, outside of what they see on the news. The same goes for Harris. We are a politically disengaged people.
67 million Americans watched the Trump vs Harris debate on the night it aired dude. And people like me watched it soon later (it took me a day or so before I personally found the time for it).
Assuming ignorance is messed up. People know what they're voting for.
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