ImTrumpAndThisIsDeep

What's even sadder is that it's millions of people that some of us used to look up to and respect, now we just have a bunch of sad brainwashed shells of the people they used to be before Trump/conservative propaganda got ahold of them. They broke our communities and now they've broken our families, now all that's left is for them to break is us.

I'm not the biggest Hillary fan but she's been right about the Trump Qult from day 1 and this is a great essay from her about this topic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/hillary-clinton-essay-loneliness-epidemic/674921/

My neighbors have started putting out trump 2024 flags. I have no idea how anyone can look positive at that man...

USA: We couldn't possibly elect a president dumber than GWB

GOP: Hold my beer...

Just because Donald Trump is a moron doesn't mean George W Bush wasn't incredibly stupid. Both things can be true.

Let's not forget that Bush only graduated from college because his parents donated money to keep him from being given failing grades and flunking out.

There are entire buildings on the Yale campus that only exist because W was such a poor student.

lol okay that’s a fair point.

It's a little 's'. I too have made that mistake...

im7andthisisdeep

My dad...

Well, that's because Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

When will Jason Bateman be cast as Batman?

The grift is 100% there but I think he does want to be president again because he believes that that will absolve all crimes.

Fill out your mail-in ballot, then just drop it in the secured ballot box at your polling location. Then DeJoy doesn't get to fuck with your vote.

I went to a lecture of a criminal psychologist recently about psychopathy. Psychopaths are often also narcissists, and there are a number of personality traits to identify them. The more traits one has, the more likely the person is a clinical narcissist. Trump would check all those boxes, every single one.

I’d never heard of the Goldwater rule but wow it makes sense that that rule is named after that asshole

Yeah, it's actually scarier that this time he really wants it. And that when the 4 years is up, he has to stay in power in order to stay out of prison.

I'm amazed more isn't made of this.

Then I think he realized how little he could actually do.

The issue is how far below average most of his supports appear to be.

This is apparent to me every day at work. The public washroom has an indicator beside it that will light up green with the words "OCCUPIED WHEN LIT" any time the door is locked from within. This is a very obvious indicator, though to the average person, green mean go. And every single time I'm using it, you bet your ass some fucking Neanderthal approaches that door, immediately becomes confused over the meaning of occupied, and decides it must be synonymous with vacant. They then grab ahold of the handle and not once, not twice, but often attempt to rip that fucking door down three times before their meat brain tells them "DOOR LOCKED!". You can literally feel the desperation and confusion in every one of those attempted breaches.

Every. Fucking. Time.

And I don't shit at work, so I'm not often in there more than a couple of minutes. I think I'm going to start bellowing "GREEEN MEEANN GGOOOOOOOO!" from inside every time this happens.

In fairness, I don't think Biden is some genius, either. Perception of his intelligence isn't helped by the fact that he apparently can't stop plagiarizing other people's speeches.

Right? That one hurt my head so much reading it that I couldn’t make myself watch the video out of fear my own brain cells would commit suicide.

I honestly don't think he wanted to be president the first time. It would have made sense for him to make a big show of running, but lose, and just embrace the publicity.

Of course that assumes a level of foresight and planning that he hasn't demonstrated since, so it's hardly a firmly held belief.

He needs to win. The crimes he's committed are obviously crimes, well documented, and he has gone right up to the line on publicly admitting this. The only way he stays out of jail is if he wins and pardons himself. Or if the hamberders block his heart in the next year.

He doesn't want them "watching" for anything. This is a dog whistle for textbook voter intimidation tactics.

Sane people may be too scared to show up and vote because they actively fear for their safety due to threats of violence or social reprisal.

If you have 2 people charging into a voting place and being stupid they get arrested. If you have 100 people then the voting place gets shut down for safety.

Shut down enough places in the other guys territory and you win.

Lol, not nearly enough compared to American conservatives. 30% to 69%. You are outnumbered over 2-1.

I am not an American, I just look at statistics for everything.

edit: I am not saying billionaires are worse than anybody else, I am just saying their interests probably don't have a lot of overlap with the avg voter.

That’s why the Electoral College exists

If people are voting for Trump then they will put their votes towards a better alternative

Only in certain polls, and as we have seen time and again, the polls don't mean shit. Bernie was leading in the polls this far out from the election in 2019. "Somehow" he isn't president.

Hell, Hillary was leading in the polls on, and after, election day 2016. She won the general election.....

"The polls"

If I go outside and ask the three young kids riding their bikes what their favorite ice cream is, I've joust conducted a poll.

Apropos to this specific scenario, if I go to a chocolate lovers convention and ask their favorite ice cream flavor, guess which flavor might leaf the way. Now what is while along the question, I was wearing a t-shirt that says "vote for chocolate and I'll give you $20 bucks".

"Chocolate is leading in the polls, okay... You know it, I know it."

Maybe the ones that aren't co-defendants with him ... yet. Although helping him win a 2nd term gets them what? If he gets his 2nd term, and the GOP gladly allow him to assume his dream of being dictator:

• 1. he will have just as much chance of paying them (probably less than 1%).
• 2. he would also have no need for the law/lawyers/judges. I think anyone that could challenge him would be in the first wave of the "purge" .

their real goal is to drag things out in hopes of a second term for Trump.

... their real goal is to drag things out because they get paid by the hour.

Those numbers don't matter though.

What they were saying, accurately, was that the election was decided by a few tens of thousands of voters delivering swing states with tight races.

Trump lost by a few million votes in 2016 too, but that's not what mattered then either.

While I agree with the sentiment, Trump did lose by millions of votes. There was a 7.61 million vote differential. He also lost the popular vote to Hillary by 2.9 million votes.

Yeah, I know all of that. But about 5 million of that 7.61 million, for example, came from California. There was never a chance that California was going to Trump, so those 5 million extra votes were largely overkill votes that had no bearing on the overall election outcome. Those 5 million could have stayed home and it wouldn't have changed the outcome a single bit. The same goes, to a much lesser degree, with states like New York and Massachusetts, which are about as blue as you can get.

The same holds true for Trump, by the way. Trump won several southern states by double digits, leading to himself getting millions of overkill votes in states that were never in danger for him. A few million people in those states could have stayed home and the outcome wouldn't have changed a bit. But a few thousand more votes in a couple of key states could mean we'd be sitting in the midst of Trump's 2nd term while Biden goes down as a footnote who ran his campaign from his basement.

It's all about the crucial votes in key areas of swing states.   Georgia is a prime example. A swing of just over 11,000 votes out of a pool of 5 million could have thrown the state to Trump. A 20,000 vote swing in Wisconsin could have turned Wisconsin red. Between the two of them alone, 31,000 votes could have sent two states and their 26 Electoral College votes to the GOP. The same could be said about half a dozen other states where Biden's wins were razor thin.

The popular vote is great for bragging rights, but in reality has no actual bearing on the outcome of the election due to the existence of the Electoral College. It's great for chest thumping, but winning by 7.6 million votes when 7 million of those votes came from heavily populated states that Biden was going to easily win anyway doesn't really say much. When you're talking about votes that actually have an impact on the results, Biden's victory was much, much narrower.

Look at it this way: Do you really think Biden is going to waste his time running up the score in California, or is he going to spend his time in swing states to try to at least maintain if not expand upon the narrow wins he got last time? He's going to spend his time in the swing states because running up the score in California by a few million votes will do exactly nothing for him, while ensuring he at least maintains the 11,000 votes he won by in Georgia will mean he doesn't lose 16 EC votes right off the top.

...i think bush the lesser won the popular vote for his second term: didn't make him suck any less, but wars win elections, which is a terrible incentive for the next minority-victory president...

Everyone should participate and have their voices heard. However, if you think the whole thing is a farce and want to undermine the system from the get go, I'm not gonna be too broken up about it if you choose to exclude your voice from the process.

Let's compromise: everyone adult with a functioning brain should vote.

tRump voters do not believe in democracy though. So I'm good with their uneducated hateful vote not being cast.

I really hope you are right.

Nah, he's missing: 4. The Fat Boys only show up in red counties, having no impact whatsoever. They pass out drunk in the parking lot of the voting locations and their wives and kids have a quiet night to themselves.

They forget to vote. They don't intimidate anyone because the few liberals who live there voted early. They later complain it was "rigged".

All of them? Curious.

I mean it doesn't matter because it's election interference that will happen again and again because we don't seem to have the political will to stop it. Unless we get Scenario 3.

You're assuming they think using logic. You're wrong. They go by emotion, and you can't use logic to reason with them.

Something, something, democrats, something, something, racist dog whistle, something, something, democrats, something, something, Hunter's Biden laptop, something, something.

I imagine when they look at the lines of voters they categorize people into two bins: normal and not-normal. Trump is asking his supporters to do a Rorschach test but citizens are the ink blots and he's specifically telling them to look for scary things. Their Conclusion: If you see lots of normal people and he loses the election, then it's because of those voters that didn't look normal were there to rig the system.

Nah I’m ok with that too- make sure you wear your maga hat large and proud, no mask because you’re not a pussy, and say you’re name loud and clear into the cameras to assert your alpha male dominance. Insist how DJT told you it was ok. Make some loud and specific threats against government officials. Then kick back and wait for your all expense paid federal vacation!

People are going to die at the polls.

@spaceghoti hit the high points. The presumptive nominee for President of the United States for one of two major parties is openly fascist, with exactly zero consequences. He has a lot of people on his side, many of whom are already in positions of power in government, in all three branches, and in the press.

There have been plenty of opportunities for consequences to be laid upon these people who are still working to overthrow the foundations of democracy. None have been laid. None. I have zero faith in the ability of a democratic government to be able to put down this fascism.

Are you a trump shill?

You are free to browse my comment history to make your own judgment on that. Or go fuck yourself, your choice.

They're saying democracy in the US is over. The slow walk of prosecutions against the Jan. 6th insurgents, particularly its organizers, has given the fascists the confidence to do it again at a national level. We'll either have to fight back with equal violence, flee, or submit to their dictatorship.