So many tears...
*liberal tears
That's the issue with the FPTP voting system, it always eventually leads to a 2-party state like the US and the majority of the population votes for someone other than the winning party.
This happens in literally every country with the same voting system as the US.
Both times Trump won was when a woman was running against him. The only time he lost was to a white old man.
USA is just sexist and Americans better come to terms with it rather than making up random reasons.
Basically if Tim Walz was the presidential candidate he probably would have won.
Correlation is not causation. We elected Obama who was one of the youngest presidents in US history first term. Also he was Black. I'm not saying the country is sexist, but I am saying both the female candidates that made it the general election, ran on dog shit platforms of "more of the same"
While your logic does have a point, and there's no shortage of sexists out there, I must also state that both Clinton and Harris were horrid candidates as well, and both followed a democrat president the people were starting to/were done with.
Not only that, but both times Trump preyed on what the people were desperate to hear: "Better living conditions, lower prices" and all that. This was mainly the illusion of choice between two evils, and they chose the one that seemed to be the lesser one. The one who appeared to be "more honest" and despite being a nepo-baby called out and criticized all other rich people.
The issue is the system itself, and the fact that voters choose their candidates like celebrities or their sports team. See Harris making her campaign way more about celebrity endorsement than commiting to actual societal issues. She was never gonna win like that, and even if she did, she would still be a bad president. Not worse for sure, now that we all are seeing current Trump starting all sorts of conflicts and trying to become a dictator, but still a bad president.
The US can elect a female president. But so far the options picked for that were absolutely horrid, and I know there's several good and competent female leaders who are both democrats and republicans. Sadly they have too much common sense or lean too much to the centre to be taken seriously by the ones who want to create a spectacle.
If only things were that simple. Humans love to focus on just one reason, but when dealing with a population of voters you have to use statistics to understand anything about whats going on. I'm sure sexism was a factor but theres so much more than that.
People forget that black men, many of whom were born slaves, got the right to vote before women.
Tbf, we haven't had a good candidate from either party since Obama.
Maybe the women weren't qualified? Clinton ran thinking her name would be enough. Kamala ran because she/they thought anyone except Joe could win. 36% who didn't vote are the true cowards in all this mess. Now a majority of Americans will suffer for 4 years because of lazy-asses who thought that not showing up to vote was a protest move. WRONG!
You can disagree with her politics but to call Clinton unqualified is actually absurd
This is misleading.
According to those stats, the majority of people voted for someone other than Harris as well.
The real takeaway here is large percentage of people that don't vote.
Or the large amount of uncounted votes
Harris isn't claiming a mandate.
Historically when people vote in higher numbers we end up with Democratic Presidents.
Pffffft, the rest of you lot knew what was at stake, the lazy twats who couldn't be bothered to save their own nation by exercising their RIGHT to vote aren't off the hook. I've literally started to cringe when hearing Americans in public (I live in the UK) because in my mind subconsciously there's a high chance that person is dumb as fuck.
Well they were smart enough to get an updated passport anyway.
oh trust me, I did exercise my right to vote. I voted my entire ballot except the presidential race. I dont support republicans OR war criminals who promise that "nothing will fundamentally change". If you would bother reading the polls like an informed voter you'd understand that angle never had a chance to win. But if you'd rather whine after the fact on an anonymous website that doesnt even aggregate downvote/upvote counts, then be my guest, you're doing a real service for the world. Good job.
So you, being the big brain political science major that you are, read the polls and decided to abstain from voting in the presidential race because you thought it was inevitable that Trump would win?
Sounds pretty far from intelligent to me. Whatever your motivation was, you chose not to vote against the nearly 80 year old narcissistic fascist with dementia, who is easily manipulated by anyone willing to kiss his giant shitty ass.
Your excuses may soothe your concious. To the rest of us, you are one of the many people responsible for the ongoing madness in the US.
Those who didn't vote, who thought their vote didn't matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office.... they're complicit.
The only significantly statically impactful group of "non voters" is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.
Meaning the major majority of voters that didn't vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.
These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters' that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.
I guess I just want to say "in conclusion" that the vast majority of voters that didn't vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.
I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to "risk" their shift for.
No one's gonna "risk a shift" for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don't get people to "risk their shift" for voting for a lesser evil.
Sometimes i get the feeling that voting on a tuesday is working as expected: to keep working an poor people from voting...
Germany has voting per defintion only on sundays, and (at least where i live) the voting booths are everywhere. You can vote either per mail, or from 8:00 to 18:00 at a booth, and i never had to wait in a line to vote, and i'm in my 40s
I guess I just want to say "in conclusion" that the vast majority of voters that didn't vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.
This is a very clear and succinct description of something I've been struggling to articulate for years. Affluent liberals can tell their boss they're taking a long lunch to vote, and they don't understand why shift workers don't do the same.
I really appreciate your comment, because here we are months later and still a lot of folks don't seem to be getting the big picture.
Maybe they need someone to blame other than the GOP, and folks who didn't vote are the easiest target.
the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.
Voting early or by mail was available to:
-Alaska
-Arizona
-Arkansas
-California: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Colorado: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-D.C.: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Delaware
-Florida
-Georgia
-Hawaii: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Idaho
-Illinois
-Iowa
-Kansas
-Maine
-Maryland
-Massachusetts
-Michigan
-Minnesota
-Montana
-Nebraska
-Nevada: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-New Jersey
-New Mexico
-New York
-North Carolina
-North Dakota
-Ohio
-Oklahoma
-Oregon: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Pennsylvania
-Rhode Island
-South Dakota
-Utah: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Vermont: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Virginia
-Washington: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Wisconsin
-WyomingI'm not saying people don't have tough lives, but it has been made pretty available to a lot of people at this point.
You lot never blame the dem leadership for making their biggest funder AIPAC/Israel, and allowing AIPAC funding to completely steer the party platform, the candidate choice, and the course of the race. Somehow Dem leaders are simply immune from blame in your eyes, even when AIPAC steers this outcome straight to a loss and Israelis said they never wanted the dems to win anyway.
The dems losing was much more desirable to AIPAC than a non genocide dem entering the race. The polls told dem leadership they were going to lose for the entire race and they decided to take the loss rather than give in to the no-to-genocide voters. AIPAC/Israel was more important to dem leadership than winning the race. Why do you still imagine that AIPAC supports dem voters or cares about America? You've learned nothing and you're on the way to lose some more. Did you hear Dem leaders talk about the needs of the voters very much? No. You didnt-- but you sure saw them get animated and passionate about supporting zionist war crimes.For my vote, I wasnt going to lift a finger for any war criminal of any party, even if it meant this country burned itself to the ground. If the choice is murder lots of innocents or burn this place to the ground, I chose not to participate and let this place burn itself to the ground, and I'll do it again if needed-- so will lots of other people -- and theres nothing you can do about it. Dems cant win an election without them either.
So "blame" me on the internet all day, your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer. I hope every dem leader gets to experience unemployment, and if it leads to revolution or "regime change" as we like to casually say it when its other countries suffering, then so be it. Its past time for this farce to "fundamentally change".
Or suppressed. I'll give some anecdotal examples. I have a friend that lives in a major metropolitan area with over 2.6 million people. When he applied to get a photo ID (he lost his previous one and needed a new one), the soonest appointment available for the entire metropolitan area was 3 months out. That's just for the appointment to apply for the ID, not actually receiving the ID. You are required to have a photo ID to vote. Then, voter registration in itself must also be completed at least a month before an election. Now, let's talk about the process of actually voting. I've personally stood in line for over 6 hours to vote. A lot of the people waiting in line had to leave to pick up their kids and other things. If you don't pick up your kids from school or daycare at very specific times, there are serious penalties. While I was waiting, there must have been at least 40 people in front of me that had to leave before voting. Many of them had waited in line for over 4 hours. For most people, waiting in line is the only way to vote. Only the elderly and disabled qualify to vote by mail. Make no mistake, voter suppression is very effective, and it is implemented specifically in areas that vote against what the ruling party wants. In Trump leaning areas, the lines were no longer than a two minute wait if they existed at all. Trump never would have won either election if it wasn't for voter suppression.
The most complicit are the genocidal wackos who nominated a cop/prosecutor that campaigned to the cheyneys.
Nobody should be shamed into voting for trash.
If you live in a blue state and didn't vote, how are you complicit?
You're not, they want to blame the voters for a bad candidate.
Local ballots? You should vote, that has more sway. My vote for Harris in California matter as much if I voted for Sonic the Hedgehog for President.
I voted, and my vote definitely did not matter. Nor will it until we completely overhaul the election system, getting rid of the electoral college and first past the post. I don't think that's going to happen either until politicians acquire enough fear to offset their greed.
It's something to keep in mind.
Don't alienate those 36.32%. I'm sure some of us have strong feelings about their choices, but at the end of the day they outnumber Democrats and Republicans each by quite a bit. If you want to see change you are going to have to convince some of them to join you. This goes for elections and this goes for revolutions.
Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).
This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.
Also, these oligarchs don't realize that they're going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don't do exactly what trump and putin want, they'll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol' days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022
"69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism" isn't really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.
More people didn't vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.
Fucking idiots.
Maybe the democrats should stop running ruling class candidates while expecting the working class to "fall in line?"
How come you never blame the people doing the same thing but expecting different results? If history is anything to go by, choosing a female to run for president guarantees a trump victory.
It's a hard truth, but a truth nonetheless. Unfortunately you people have been conditioned to cover your ears to hard truths and just pretend reality is a different way.
There are reasons other than abstaining from voting that prevent people from doing so (being homeless, not having ID, etc.). However, fuck voting in a US election - democracy is an illusion.
You can't just blame a group of people for anything though, it's not like geographic boundaries determine morality.
Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?
And unfortunately, until that changes the next elections are going to be the same. Trump's approval is down, but it's still higher than it was at this point his last term.
You can’t just blame a group of people for anything though, it’s not like geographic boundaries determine morality.
Culture, in large part, determines morality, and culture is heavily influenced by geopolitical boundaries.
As an American myself, I have no interest in #notallAmericans defenses. We made our fucking bed, we can lie in it.
Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?
The same reason why it was close in 2020, and in 2016. The same reason why the Tea Party in 2010 took off, why Americans gave Bush Jr. a second term in '04, why the GOP in the 90s saw significant success in running towards fascism. The same reason why Reagan got two terms with overwhelming popularity, why Nixon was elected on a platform of disdain for minorities, why Goldwater was a hit in the GOP and took the South from the Dems in 1964 for the first time since the Civil War.
We are a broken nation which has never managed to fully reckon with the deeply rooted authoritarian character within our culture. Trump is just the first time when a major party has given full voice to that inner fascist cretin, and it found that the base liked nothing better.
No excuses, no crisis staring us in the face, no illusions of a Truly Democratic Leader waved about. A creature whose prior term displayed the full range of incompetence and malice towards everything from leftists to Christianity, and whose campaign rhetoric promised nothing more than to get worse in its conduct if elected again. Trump was the final presentation of the question, unambiguous, "Do you, Americans, want fascism?" A mirror looking us flat in the fucking face, and daring us to speak.
And our response was an overwhelming "Sure, why not."
I think 100%. Both these parties don't work for middle class. Exceptions are Bernie and AOC. Without a third party pressure, we cannot win this oligarch war.
Compulsory voting in Australia is looking good
Australia has a pretty good preferential voting system too.
The only major problem with elections in Australia that comes to my mind is the way political advertising works. Truth in advertising laws do not apply to political ads, for fuck-knows what reason. And there's a lot of money sloshing around for the purpose of supporting the politicians who support certain groups. The media landscape isn't exactly an even playing field.
But the voting part itself is genuinely quite well done.
We give a lot of chances to vote in the US. Mail in ballots, early voting, polling places open late. Discounting the tiny group of people who do not have and cannot get proper ID, and the tiny group of totally disabled people with no support system whatsoever, everyone should be able to figure out getting their vote in.
That leaves the people who don’t want to vote. But there is no way around the fact that being unforgivably stupid. Does your vote really matter in our crushingly ineffectual two-party system? Not as much as I would like. But there is an obvious choice between a party intent on dismantling the very foundation of the nation, and one simply content to let it fall apart. Voting for the former assures destruction, voting for the latter gives us time. Voting for neither, is moronic.
My point - Do we think that forcing this group of lazy and/or idiotic Americans to vote would add anything valuable to the political process?
Education is where positive political participation begins. Until we fix that and stop actively making it worse, there is no election reform solution to the festering rot of ignorance and apathy.
We can't expect Americans to travel to Australia. Be realistic.
I need to mention that the reason why 20 million fewer voters voted is. Because of the massive voter suppression that was done prior to the 2024 election. So many people were purged from voters rolls and many polling places were closed it wasn't funny.
While I'm sure that was part of it, a lot of people didn't vote for other reasons as well. Someone I know who you would probably consider "left" didn't vote at all because of Harris supporting Israel (I'm aware trump is worse for Palestinians), and I know a bunch of other people I've spoken to online also didn't vote at all for the same reason.
Plus I suspect a lot of other previous Biden voters didn't vote at all for similar reasons, like possibly all party's are owned by the rich.
Bottom line, a class war is needed to get the rich in check.
Unfortunately, if they didn't vote, they have no right to complain when shit blows up in their face. I don't feel represented by basically any candidate in my home country, Canada, or where I live, the UK. I still participate and vote for the person closest to what I'd like to see. If you don't participate, you don't get to bitch.
Your vote only matters in swing states. The whole electoral college thing is fucked.
Internalizing the "your vote only matters in purple states" will turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
Previously blue states have turned purple, previously purple states have turned red. Nothing is set in stone, although resting on your laurels (if your state is blue) or giving up (if your state is red) will all but guarantee that the changes will only happen in one direction: the bad one.
In 2020, Texas would have gone blue were it not for Ken Paxton purging mail-in votes, by Paxton's own admission.
Nothing is set in stone, so you need fight for every inch.
Internalizing the “your vote only matters in purple states” will turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
They're not prophesizing about some future, but making an obvious factual statement about present reality.
Nothing is set in stone, so you need fight for every inch.
You should check out the current administration. They're not leaving any time soon.
...... So fucking what?
"Ooh, he hasn't got a mandate." Yeah, know what he has got?
CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT. And no intention of ever giving it up.
(Yes, I know, don't abandon hope, organise, and all that. But crap like this just reads like "it'll obviously work out fine just wait it out" shit. Which famously Does Not Fucking Work)
Idk, I can respect where you're coming from, but this meme feels more to me like a counter to people who are saying "Trump won, this is what America voted for, if you fight against his agenda you're fighting against the will of the people" etc. type crap
Totally agreed that just hoping things will work out fine isn't any kind of plan, but a reminder that the average human being doesn't like what's happening right now can help people feel a little less crazy when they're staying informed about current events
That's fair, good point
What meme? This has been posted exactly one time, right here. That doesn't make a meme.
I don't read it that way
~70% of the US adults either wanted trump or at least OK with him, and by extension are ok with the muskrat
Maybe it's time for the rest of the world to realize it's not "just trump" but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.
Maybe the pushback against trump we see all around social media is just the small loud minority.
Maybe it's time to not consider Americans friends, and to stop supporting it as much as possible. I've started cutting off the american-made stuff I buy.
Maybe the pushback against trump we see all around social media is just the small loud minority.
I think so too. They are not big, just loud.
Maybe it’s time for the rest of the world to realize it’s not “just trump” but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.
We knew.
As someone who lives in a pre-determined state... It's shocking how much these libs don't understand the electoral system at all.
Maybe it’s time for the rest of the world to realize it’s not “just trump” but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.
Why do you think people refuse to vote for genocidal candidates? Sure, their votes don't matter but it's also that there's nobody to vote for.
It's kinda strange to complain that people don't vote while acknowledging that the whole system is racist trash.
~70% of the US adults either wanted trump or at least OK with him, and by extension are ok with the muskrat
Well, no. It sure looks like that from the corporate news spew, but no.
Hitler got about 33% back when he started. He achieved his position by simply ignoring the law after that. Sounds familiar?
So they reformed the state after ww2, right?
No such change here. People literally swear their lives to "defending" the olde slavermaster pact.
So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.
Yeah, no, that's not how that works. We've got the electoral college, remember? There were 20 states that went blue. Any additional votes to Harris in those states wouldn't have made Trump win less, refraining to vote in those states ultimately didn't matter. You need to look at the percentage of people that didn't vote in states that went red. But I get it, its easier to blame everyone who didn't vote than to use critical thought.
Yeah, pretending that it wasn't a landslide is a grand delusion.
"Yeah, pretending that it was
n’ta landslide is a grand delusion."FTFY
Complicit with genocide? That's everybody who voted actually.
In the US it's legal for corporations to create propaganda outlets which stream nonstop lies designed to get sensitive individuals to vote fascists. It's impossible to have democratic elections and have completely disinformed and propagandized voters. Yet even after killing hundreds of thousands of conservative voters the courts have sided with the propaganda outlets.
Yeah, these numbers are generally brought up to "show" how weak Trump support is. But, what I see is that leftists are not a majority, even among people that give a damn. So, if leftists are going to make any progress, they need to take concrete actions with whoever they can agree with for that project, instead of attacking other leftists (because they didn't vote e.g.) and going no-contact with everyone that's not as ideologically pure as yourself.
We have to build consensus and lead by example before we can win at the polls.
How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.
He 100% cheated.
pfff... he won twice. if americans would want a real democracy that wouldnt have happened.
Yeah. American here. It’s generally the case that the president gets votes from a minority of the population. Nothing new there. Unfortunately those of us who live here can see that the support for this monster is very real.
It turns out politics is very complex and difficult to manage.
Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people's votes. If you don't live in a swing state then that's understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn't vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.
I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?
The top 10 states by voter participation are: Minnesota Colorado Oregon Washington Wisconsin Maine New Hampshire Michigan Iowa New Jersey
Those above as well as Virginia, Montana, Massachusetts, Vermont, North Carolina, Florida, and Connecticut have participation rates above ~70%. While a few swing states are in there, it's certainly not overwhelming given that I've listed about 40% of the states.
Of course the dems didnt win. How can an ostensibly leftist politcal party win an election based on support of another countrys far right-wing genocidal war, while standing for very little else, and while also reaching rightward for republican votes? Did you honestly think rhetorically waving a glock around and hugging Liz Cheney would simply work out?
The only winners here who got exactly what they wanted were AIPAC, who also were the biggest funders of both american polictial parties in what is essentially a mercenary state.
So why blame the voters when its the dem party leadership and AIPAC who set this lose-lose scenario up?
If you live in a country with only two options, you have to pick between one of the options, or let other people do it for you. If you chose to go with the latter, I hope it worked out for you.
Also the democratic party isn't leftist at all so idk what you expect. It's center-right at best.
I'll take whoever this "Did not vote" instead please
In conclusion 68% let Trump win or directly voted for him.
How many of those who didn't vote were from the states where Democrats won?
How many were from swing states?
How many were from Red states?
In an electoral college based election these nuances matter.
"my vote won't change anything", "i don't like any of them", "that won't affect me", call leopards for those 36%
68.1% of US citizens are bloody idiots.
Guess why some of these people didn't even bother to vote.
Why on earth these people didn't vote?
When 43/50 states are already locked in and decided a lot of people don't bother. That's a huge reason for people not voting.
If elections were actually decided by popular vote you'd see more people voting. The electoral college is a voter suppression tool.
Misogyny is part of it.
It's so fucking infuriating that practically every election, if it were possible, "did not vote" would win the presidency.
We're always looking at some stupidly close, razor margins bullshit, when there's a MASSIVE group of people that unfortunately just couldn't possibly give a shit less....
I vote that if "did not vote" wins, that means "nobody" wins, and therefore "nobody" is president for 4y, try again next time.
I also vote that we as a country take a que from Talkeetna, AK. We should elect a cat president, if one can be mayor why not? And a cat will do better than any human I've met, so..
That's the point. It's important these people think that each election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
It's why Bernie wasn't allowed to win any primaries.
Last elections were between stale bread with wilted lettuce and a turd sandwich covered in diarrhea with lead flakes and pube sprinkles.
And millions of Americans still think they're the same. I guess sabotaging education for 50 years really works.
Plenty of people who don't vote give a shit, but feel that neither party gives a shit about them. Blame those who keep offering up shit candidates instead of those who won't bend over and be coerced into voting for shit candidates.
Fucking wrong. Every asshole who abstained from voting, voted for Trump. He received 60%. At the very least, that 30% didnt vote for someone else.
If you abstained from voting in a blue state you voted for trump? Logic does not compute.
If you people want me to vote for your candidate, make sure they aren't just the "lesser evil."
Try doing something different next time if you want different results. Don't repeat the same mistakes.
Blame everyone who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary for why we now have 2 trump presidencies. They're out of touch.
I get the frustration but this is a bad take.
In a two-party, first-past-the-post system you kinda have an ethical obligation to vote for the lesser evil. It's just a statistical fact you can't ignore.
It fucking blows, but if your choices are the shitty status quo or full blown fascism, you really should pick the status quo.
Obviously doesn't fix the problem with the Democrat party sliding further and further right since they can continue to claim "lesser evil"... and it also doesn't fix the DNC superdelegate shenanigans that got us Hillary instead of Bernie... but I'd rather the country be able to still exist to fight another day.
American democracy and freedom are fucked. But I don't blame those 36% of non-voters. These people were INSPIRED to give up on politics.
It's the media environment. Political coverage fucking sucks by design. Left populism is too interesting to be given air time, too much of a threat to the people who fund the parties and own the media. Politics used to be interesting. Politicians used to say things, now they just run out the clock with white noise.
I mean no
In an election between Bush and Kerry (the guy who lost 2004 election) or something like that then yes. People can be annoyed or just too busy to vote.
This election was perfectly clear that the future of US democracy was at stake and more than 1/3 of the voters decided to not show up. They decided that they were fine not choosing and as such fine with either option. I mean even if the choice was between Trump and a dog, the dog should have won by a landslide. 4 years of nothing would have been miles better than the decades that US is going back.
This presidency is already catastrophic and it barely even started.
I don’t even know how the US and the world can handle 4 years of this shit at this pace.
PERFECTLY CLEAR? They walked back calling them WEIRD, let alone FASCISTS! And the moment they win Biden is shaking hands and saying lets all get along! Where's the panic? Where's the urgency?
People do not know what's going on. They still don't. You have no appreciation for how much noise is drowning out the signal. If the Dems gave a shit about democracy they should have called Don a pedophile 1000 times every day of the campaign.
I am curious how many of those 36% that didn't vote wanted to but couldn't due to gerrymandering and other bullshit.
Well they’d still be able to vote in a gerrymandered district, but as far as voter suppression, it was at an all time high, in terms of ratfucking attempts, but it’s still small compared to the overall population of non-voters.
Among those eligible to vote who say they did not cast a ballot, 42% say they wish they had voted while 57% say they do not.
So. Don’t give a damn til their shit blows up in real time.
Holy hell, 42%???
They’re real and out there unfortunately.
I have a good friend who believed his life didn’t change at all if he voted or who was in office. His house was given to him. His job is stable. He has very little needs and never left his small town.
He didn’t start connecting how politics impacted him until I lived with him during the pandemic. It was then he started to understand more and vote.
He’s smart otherwise and a great person who is kind to others. But he isn’t the type to look deeply into anything that isn’t immediately around him.
I feel like a lot of people need that 1:1 coaching or they legitimately cannot connect the dots in the big picture. Or maybe they need physical community and to be surrounded by people like me who can see big picture stuff easily.
It’s like people who can’t imagine objects in their head (aphantasia) but for the inability to connect abstract big picture concepts. Whatever that is called —that’s what these non-voters fuck it who cares people have.
Some probably voted but their vote got thrown out so it didn't count.
That's 90 million people. Even if 33% couldn't vote due to ratfucking, that's still 60 million who didn't care and could've made a difference.
There were lawsuits happening for years around all that. The r's won a ton of those lawsuits.
...do you know what gerrymandering is?
In context they seem to mean disenfranchised.
Not a mandate, but voter's apathetic acceptance.
As usual, apathy is the greatest ally of authoritarianism.
I'd say the lesser evil is the greatest ally of authoritarianism in this case.
People don't vote for democrats because democrats don't care about the working class. They just use the culture war as a distraction from the class war.
If useful idiots didn't vote for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary, we would've had 8 years of Bernie and 0 years of trump.
Instead, they just throw a woman up and say "hey guys! first BLACK woman president! Vote for us or you're a bigot fascist!"
Surprise surprise, that's not a winning strategy. Stop supporting the democrats who push it.
Fun fact: both times democrats ran a female president resulted in a trump presidency. In other words, 100% of female democratic presidential candidates lost to trump. If we follow history and want a fascist in office, let's run a female that doesn't care about the working class.
As a brit I have found it fascinating how American and British politics seem to mirror each other. This is exactly the same argument that was levelled against Brexit. The stats the TV showed was 51% vs 49% in favour of Brexit but only 60% of the country voted and with this teeny tiny majority of voters the Conservatives enacted a massive constitutional change and causes absolute havoc which we are still paying for today.
We've since voted out the party that caused it but it landed us with an ineffective centrist Labour party who are continuing the mistakes of the past and not appealing to the left in the slightest (sound familiar?). This government still has 4 more years left in power but unless they change tack then I am very worried that we will have a extreme right version of the Conservatives in power next election.
The problem is the First Past The Post voting system. It's not true democracy. It's weighted to the right. Two parties, both in the pocket of big business. One who says "Oh, we'd love to help all you poors but it's really not possible to increase taxes on the rich and invest in our country", and the other who says "you'll be poor but at least you're not gonna get deported or persecuted like those gay and brown people".
TLDR: Both the US and the UK need urgent electoral reform. Write to your representative. Make it an issue. Do not stop until it is a number one priority for these ghouls or they will keep fucking us.
Thank you for attending my Ted talk. Goodnight.
This is exactly the same argument that was levelled against Brexit.
In many, many concrete and specific ways Brexit was a test-run for trump. Same people, same money, same goals.
Stop this bs. Rules are set before the game begins.
trump talked about how elon knows those voting computers so well
End the electoral college… citizen United super charged the electroal college for the rich
And what if they won't, what are you gonna do about it?
Well, in 1933 when the NSPD came to power they had 43% of the seats in parliament (I haven't found the percentage of the total votes but I imagine it was much less). That did not prevent them from repeating the elections at the end of that year and getting more than 90%, you can imagine how.
Even a part of popular culture accepts that they came to power by winning elections and the German people feel and felt the shame that they came to power by democratic means, which is only half true.
I feel sorry for the American people, but they elected this team under the same rules of democracy as their previous presidents. To claim now that his election was not democratic is to distort the facts.
Was there not redistricting and voters removed from voter lists in higher numbers this time around?
E: not trying to be a dick, genuinely that was my understanding
If you didn't vote then you voted for the bad guy.
If you didn't vote you are just as bad as the MAGAniacs.
If you didn't vote you voted for Trump.
If you didn't vote you are responsible for the current situation.
i voted (harris obv) but they apparently had issues with my vote and didnt count it until literally after trump won :)
Both options were bad.
You ran a shit candidate and lost, take the L and be better
If you DID vote for Harris, you voted for slightly delayed fascism. You didn't vote for democracy, you just voted for slightly delayed fascism. I know, I voted for her. Democracy wasn't on the ballot.
I agree.
These useful idiots have been conditioned to think that a slow loss is a win, though.
It's a major reason why I will never vote for the 'lesser evil' candidate again.
If the people getting mad at me because I didn't vote and trump won, they should do something differently next election and run a candidate that is good, not just the lesser evil.
Spoiler alert: They won't do anything different and continue to blame the people for not "falling in line." This is a song and dance that will last the rest of our lives.
It's a major reason why I will never vote for the 'lesser evil' candidate again.
Well it was, but Cornell West was a snowball in hell
Let's get a count of all of the votes that were tossed due to targeted voter registration purges.
I also would like to see that.
This is why we need ranked choice voting
The really shocking stat is the growing number of eligible voters who have just stopped voting or participating in the system at all. When you look at the #1 reason why it is "no matter who wins my life doesn't get better and no candidate represents me". We have a quasi functional democracy at this point.
I mean, ~30 non-voting is, historically, really good
Things have been smooth enough in the last 80 years that people just don't think they need to.
They're wrong, of course. But this is a high-turnout election.
GOTV (Get Out The Vote) is always the actual part of elections. It's also why the republiQans have focused so much on destroying that part.
If you look at the data as to why they do not vote the answer is not " things are so smooth that I dont need to vote anymore".
Well the US clearly doesn’t mind that much cause they’re accepting his neverending stream of shit.
Does it sound like we don't mind that much? Srs?
Not talking about the corporate news sewers, which is a whole other discussion. Average schmucks who live in America, do they sound like they don't mind it much?
The meme is about how razor-thin their control is. And it is. It is also (at the moment) time-bound.
Turnout is low when votes don't matter and voters get suppressed when their vote does matter. This is working as designed.
Many of us got voter roll purged. If you get purged you don't technically get a vote because provisional ballots are only counted if the race is close ... and the race wasn't close because of the provisional ballots.
This is true of every election except maybe one.
Nobody always wins. The "winner" is always elected by a tiny minority. It's a fundamentally corrupt system. Always has been. Literally concocted by genocidal slavers.
Either way. Americans have done nothing to change their electoral process.
First Past The Post in this age?
No Universal Civic Duty voting in this age?
This is a product of American inaction. And their insistence that their system is the best despite it being considered archaic and prone to manipulation by other modern democracies.
Exactly, having just over 30% of the population able to choose the President is NOT democracy.
If you didn't vote then you were fine with this outcome. The majority are ok with Trump winning.
I get downvoted every time I bring this up too. However, the voters saw January 6th and they saw the repeal of Roe V Wade. If that wasn't enough to get your butt to vote then you're fine with this.
I still think big tech backed Trump because of Lina Khan. Well also the tax breaks. Urgh ...
This is downvoted...?
Not anymore it isn't.
The fuck? I'm not fine with this outcome.
I'm also not fine with the outcome of harris.
Both suck, but what makes harris suck is that you people will think you're winning because you're losing slower. I refuse to fall in line because I will not support the idea that a slow loss is somehow a win.
If you people want different results, run different candidates! Otherwise, "you are fine with this outcome."
Thats how elections work everywhere in the world... Wtf are you talking about?
*How First past the post elections work
Places with proportional representation have parliaments with representatives from a wide range of parties that have to cooperate with each other rather than constantly undermine each other.
Americans should finally demand a not so stupid voting system
And maybe have 7 presidents1% did and we're blaming them.
Yea, I did not know that so many did not vote compared to how few voted third party
Clearly the rightful president is Did Not Vote.
Hi, OP. I just want to let you know that I appreciate the sentiment you're trying to express in this meme, but I also kinda low-key hate you for:
- using a title that sullies the good name of Maxwell Smart by making me associate his catch-phrase with Trump, and
- using an ellipsis to weakly trail off when you should've used an exclamation point to finish strong instead.
Would you believe two cops in a rowboat?
More people voted for no president, kick Trump out of the whitehouse
No, their lack of voting meant they were fine with either candidate. Only 1.06% said they weren't fine with either.
Is this true, any source?
The numbers are all public but the post is misrepresenting then because a) total number of voters doesn't matter due to the stupidity that is the electoral college and b) I don't think there has ever been a US president who actually got more than 50% of the entire population.
The post is pure "not my president" cope.
Yes. An easy Google search away: https://populationeducation.org/breaking-down-big-numbers-in-the-2024-election/
Ah yes there was someone saying 1 in 2 people voted for Trump and yeah nope...
The election was stolen with Russian and Muskys help.
Don't enable the abusers narrative.
🐆🐾🐾🐾🔍
The election was stolen with Russian and Muskys help.
It should never have been close enough for them to matter.
This is who we are.
If there was cheating, closeness would be an illusion.
This isn't who we are
Some people maybe.
But if there was cheating
That would mean there's more of us.
Well the OG Nazis only got about 30% so I'd say he's justified to a dictatorship
Because of Americans inability to get their fat asses off the couch and vote, the rest of the world has to suffer the consequences.
Hey, only 36% of our fat asses. And we get to suffer too.
The 31% who love this insane turd gurgling they call leadership will also suffer, but they call it ‘winning’ instead.
Eh. If democrats ran candidates that actually cared about the working class, they would win a lot more elections.
Mail on voting. Come on now.
Percentages may be more digestable, but it really makes me curious about the total vote counts of each category now:P
Of the approximately 240,000,000 Americans who were eligible to vote:
156,302,318 voted in 2024
Trump won 77,284,118 votes
Harris won 74,999,166
4,019,034 voted other
And this is first across the finish line politics. Want change? Endorse pluralist elections.
Party loyalists hate this message and would rather you just say, "vote blue no matter who". But I'm with you. I'm tired of having to hold my nose in the polling booth every time. End first past the post elections.
End first past the post elections.
Well, Trump intends to end elections period, so in that sense it's a win! /s
Also 6 million suppressed votes say: Kamala won!
"AynRandLibertarian" username. Is that.. chosen ironically?
She was all about a persons worth being about their output and self sufficiency, and that empathy was evil, and yet she died penniless, in a city, using public government support to feed herself. Her ideas didnt meet their own proposed standard. Thats your hero, a poor who hated poors because they were poor, but worshipped the rich?
I'd think you were more on point if you just admired her for her lack of dental care and you hated dentists.
Not a fan of the fountain head I take it?
68.1% support Trump 30.84% support Harris 1.06% support 3rd party
FIFY. Please stop pretending that it wasn't a landslide. Please stop pretending that Americans don't support fascism. Please stop pretending that you're not responsible.
there is a huge number of people not legally allowed to vote but people like you insist on helping our jailers like Trump to make our fellow citizens the problem not the oligarchs
I like how latent fascists always come up with excuses.
Anyone got a source for these numbers?
Sounds like we need to run someone some of those 36% would be willing to vote for. Voting against the other isn't working anymore.
No. The answer was even more centrists and shitting on progressives even harder. Don't worry, it'll definitely work next election, trust me.
I totally agree, but that someone would have to be a champion of the working class.
Unfortunately, even on the left there are plenty of greedy, entitled assholes that will never support a candidate that threatens their wealth.
It's why they didn't nominate Bernie, twice. They'd rather have trump.
I'd argue none of them are actually on the left.
Apathy will be the death of America as we knew it
Already is. I've had my funeral for Uncle Sam. Done my mourning. There's nothing left but a homunculus in the vague shape of the flawed dream we once called the USA.
Hitler also got roughly the same third of votes...
So many didn't vote. Can they vote to a single third party so we don't have to deal with this two party system please.
You'd love politics. :D
Also would go further into pointing out... of those 31.74% that did vote for it... it's not a mandate for things that he didn't run on... or even ran against.
Say trump took a shit ton of credit for promising to never cut social security and medicaid. When his mind changes from what he promised, the "mandate" arguement is even worse.
In a hypothetical world where lets say someone did run, promised a lot of things, and won with 98% of the vote, so that we could say they have a mandate. The mandate still only would apply to the things they actually claimed they were going to do on the campaign trail. If they are doing the opposite of what they promised the mandate is completely bullshit even in that scenerio.
Those that didn’t vote or couldn’t because of circumstances really showed him and harris that they are upset
I would say that the Republicans winning the popular vote made it a pretty decisive victory.
Winning by less than 1% is not decisive.
Did you somehow miss that the meme is about the people who chose to vote for a third party, or not at all?
Let's be honest here, both parties are full of shit. During Biden term 3500 students had their visa revoked due to anti Zionist protests, let alone canary mission bullshit.
And do not forget about insider trading and that both parties are funded by private companies
And Trump wants to deport 20 million people, yea, exactly the same.
He didn't say anything about exactly the same, just that they both suck. Dems want to shoot you with .22 caliber rounds in the extremities cause it's not lethal, while the Trumptards want to shoot off your arms with explosive .50 cal to get the "necessary amputation" done quick. One of those is 100% objectively worse, but some people would ideally like an option that doesn't involve getting shot at all. Pointing out that getting shot sucks regardless of who is pulling the trigger shouldn't be all that controversial.
BoTh SiDeS!!
They are not the same. One is an open Nazi party
Being an open Nazi party vs. "only" openly supporting Nazis doesn't really make the choice much easier.
Obviously Dems would have been somewhat better, but I really can't blame anyone with a conscience for voting third-party or not at all when both main parties are fucking horrible.
stop fucking deluding yourselves. that's not how voting works. people who do not vote aren't voting for "other". they're voting for whoever ends up winning the votes of those who did. that 36 percent said "i don't care who wins, I'm fine with either". that is a vote for him.
It seems like that doesn't it.
31.78 .......allegedly.
that number is probably vastly inflated by at least 3% to 5% by elon.
want a source? suck my cock and find it yourself. (sorry, reddit bots got to me a while ago)
Sir, this is a Lemmy's
Man if only there was some huge portion of left wing constituents demanding change over a tax funded genocide that the democratic party could have easily pandered to and gotten that extra 1% boost of votes.
But like such a group would be too small to make a difference amirite.
That 1% is the hardest percent to get. There are other major issues she'd have to compromise on, like her support of the spoiler effect.
With the benefit of hindsight, exit polls showed that the biggest issue to voters was the economy, not Palestine. So they voted for the guy who offered change, even though the change was bad.
Isn't the image where trump does this greeting misleading? He never did that?
He may not have sieg heiled publicly, but do you really need proof that he is a fascist?
I moved here from reddit not to drown into another pit of misinformation thank you
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