Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rips Elon Musk: 'In this country, we hate Nazis'
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rips Elon Musk: 'In this country, we hate Nazis'
"I still am not rocking with anyone sympathetic to Nazis," the Democrat said. "And I will do that until I am six feet in the ground.”
Summary
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Elon Musk after he made a gesture during Trump’s inauguration resembling a Nazi salute.
Musk and his allies dismissed the comparison, calling such accusations exaggerated.
Ocasio-Cortez, however, called the gesture unacceptable, emphasizing America’s history of opposing Nazis and the Confederacy.
She also condemned the Anti-Defamation League for defending Musk, accusing it of losing credibility.
Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.
Are you sure about that?
Well yeah but AOC has darker skin, therefore dirty immigrant. Elon Musk of course is lighter and has more money so he's a trueborn American and his opinion matters.
Just don't look up where either of those people were born.
AOC, you personally might hate Nazis, but your country voted them into the White House, the congress, and the Senate. I wish you the best to fight the scum, like real Americans did 80 years ago.
The ones who don't aren't our countrymen and I look forward to the day enough of us recognize it.
She's not here to hear you. Send that as an email/voicemail so she knows what you want to say.
Yeah but when my grandfather did it he had an M1
My grandfather was in the Navy on the pacific theater. Japanese fascists, German fascists, Italian fascists, all died the same way.
You really don't seem to though
Americans have zero excuse. You could argue that Germany was ruined by WW1 and the war reparations back in the 30s. But the US economy is doing much better than all other developed economies these days. Americans voted fascists in just because.
The Republicans have been grooming the country for this for decades now.
Because capitalism has ensured that the "good economy" isn't reaching the average working class person like it should.
WW II was probably the best thing to happen to America, economically and in a lot of other fields, science and tech for example.
The world wouldn't have half of the technology we have today if it wasn't for America figuring all this shit out during and after that war.
And America got to keep everything, unlike some other countries. There really is no excuse.
Boomers are called that for a reason. Families not only boomed, but most parts of life as well.
(Note Im not advocating for war, Im looking at history)
Our top line numbers may look good but there's real problems under the hood. Our homelessness is the highest it's been since we started tracking it and food has increased in price much farther than most people's wages. It's not about the gross amount of money. It's about what that money can buy. And the answer is increasingly, not much.
If she's the only one in office that's willing to say anything about this, we're in a lot more trouble than we thought.
Oh, it’s even worse: Dem leadership is actively suppressing her ascendancy.
Fixed
Really, it's these establishment Democrats that have made it the party of slow reaction times, large government, and inefficiency. AOC should be elevated, and elevated, and elevated again. She's an American hero and patriot and should have been given more responsibility long ago.
Did ABC take the link down? It's not there anymore EDIT: Nevermind I found the link https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ocasio-cortez-loses-bid-top-democrat-house-oversight/story?id=116874211
Fascism isn't coming.
It's here.
And the number of people standing up against it is so small it's practically the butt of a joke.
We're cooked. Buy a gun. Protect yourself.
Build a drone. Learn how to fly it. Even better for long range, are the wood and paper rc planes that are expendable and being used in Ukraine.
Or designing our own versions of the cardboard ones from all our empty amazon boxes.
Surprise!
National identity is imaginary, powerful and useful. What she's choosing to claim with hers is badass. It's brash, in-your-face, heroic. Anti-apathy. And our world needs tonnes more of it.
As an activist irl, and someone targeted daily by nazis for years, AOC has no illusions about the current state of fash in the USofA, nor the history and current state of slavery and genocide in the world. Nazis (and other misogynists) will tell you she's ignorant and deluded, but you know she's not. She's manifesting, and the irony is lovely.
If you want to live in the country she does - against all the opposition activists for the common good constantly face - claim it as she claims it. Go find your allies irl and stop letting powerful men tell you there's no point trying anything. Your enemy says you're not a real person, but a thing God put on earth for them to use or destroy.
Tough love: Hope is hard work. Apathy is an easy trap that flatters your intelligence while it kills your spirit. Trust yourself and make a choice: who is your enemy and how are you going to treat them?
Yeah. I'm a fucking American. A real American who takes pride in national heroes like the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and many others who fought and died opposing fascism
TIL! That's what's up. People acting like this is all brand new lol...
Here's a lovely bit of spoken word from Utah Philips as thanks for the link.
Also for anyone interested in very left wing very American media, there's a podcast called "Alice Isn't Dead" that's basically a radio show of a woman driving a truck looking for her missing wife, filled with musings on America and it's nature. It's by the nightvale people and it's good enough that I have less radicalized friends that enjoy it
Extremely well said.
I heard an interview with the sci-fi author Kim Stanley Robinson, and he said something that I love: "pessimism is almost a dereliction of duty."
If we want the world to be a better place, we have to make it a better place.
Lewis or Chesterton had something similar, that optimism and pessimism were both dishonest, but patriotism was necessary to existence. Probably Lewis
Thank you, this comment section has some of this cynisim already. Yes she's saying very eviden things but the other side is winning precisely by creating a culture of fear and overwhelming toxicity and locking you in echo chambers that eat at you by making you think their normal is The normal. It's not lying than to project what you want into the world until enough people are in on it and pressure bad elements into hiding or into changing path.
Fuck, dude. Maybe I have become too cynical. I've become a little dejected these last few days/weeks/months, but that was actually inspiring.
I should follow your username's advice more lol.
Same. The enemy literally studies how to make us give up, and these screens we're constantly touching are totally part of it.
snip from the last good thing I read on reddit:
The term "disinformation" undersells the problem. Because much of Russia's social media activity is not trying to spread fake news. Instead, the goal is to divide and conquer by making Western audiences depressed and extreme.
Sometimes, through brigading and trolling. Other times, by posting hyper-negative or extremist posts or opinions about the U.S. the West over and over, until readers assume that's how most people feel. And sometimes, by using trolls to disrupt threads that advance Western unity.
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In This Country, We Hate Nazis
Lol! No they don't.
The US has always loved fascism. It's the only one of two political ideologies it endorses.
Nazism is almost an American export, even. See, for example, How the Nazis were inspired by Jim Crow.
And the other is passive fascist enablers.
Madam President 🖤
It didn’t resemble a Nazi salute. It was a Nazi salute.
Yup. Twice in a row. Exactly as the Nazis did it.
Stand to attention facing the crowd. Hand to chest, then full extension. Turn around to face the Fuhrer, or if he isn't there, the Nazi flag. Then stand to attention and sieg heil again.
He did it. It's not debatable. Don't engage in debate with bad actors attempting to rewrite this history. The richest man in the world, who will act in an official capacity in the White House, is openly a Nazi. Because you are a Nazi if you perform a Nazi salute.
Yeah all these media sources keep saying things like "a day after Musk used an arm gesture, twice, that resembled the Roman salute adopted by the Nazis."
It's blatantly obvious that they're afraid of getting sued. Kind of like instead of saying someone lied, they'll soften it up to say they made a statement that some fact checkers may disagree with.
I remember Robert Evans from BTB saying that when he worked in journalism, ANY story on a rich person was automatically followed up on by a lawsuit from the person in question, so they'd have legal on a retainer ready to respond.
Yeah, he did it a second time to assure everyone of this.
He did it better the second time around.
The first time looked a little awkward (though definitely recognizable as a Nazi salute.) The second one was spot on.
Behold the one prominent US politician with any principles.
And for that she will never be allowed near any real power...
It's one of the reasons reactionaries hate her so much.
And also that she's a woman of color who didn't stay "in her place."
And it's so annoying to hear liberals parrot the same shit because the conglomerates who own liberal media don't want to change the status quo.
There's a few more, but she's the most charismatic. It's a shame too, they tend to win more than their moderate counterparts during midterm races.
We used to kill Nazis.
Now we cheer them, shrug them off, or make excuses for them.
This nation is pathetic.
I wonder how many conservative's ancestors fought the Nazis and now they're voting for Nazis.
Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you've been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?
Assuming you're American, you do understand the irony of America taking in the most nazi elite and scientists for their own personal projects right? Also if you read mein kampf you'll find it fascinating how much he was inspired by American legalised racism and ethnic cleanings. America is a nation built like how Israel was, through ideological and legalized genocide, racism, fascism and racism. I'm starting to comprehend how the soviet did the real nazi killing and suffered the real consequences of the Nazis unlike America.
Yeah, the people who see this as a significant deviation from the norm aren't exactly incorrect, but I wonder to what degree they really understand the total history and scope of america as it has existed for basically all of it's span. What we've done, in this country.
WW2 was between Russians and Germans. All the other stuff was barely a side character subplot compared to the Eastern front.
For example, in the Western front the German forces dealt more casualities to US and UK troops than the Allies did to the Axis by quite a lot too. Reading stories and diaries of American troops they would remark how astonishing it is that their German POWs were all either very young, or very old, either way remarkably unfit for combat. German command in the Western front was in shambles, because the vast majority of their efforts were going to the Eastern front. More Germans died in the battle of Stalingrad alone than in the entirety of the Western front. There were sieges in the Baltics that made Omaha Beach seem like a pretty lucky bet. The Belarusian grassroots genocide by Germans is hardly talked about, yet were just as brutal as they were against jews. The Siege of Leningrad is the type of nightmare fuel, hell on earth that Spielberg would never dream of touching. The West puts so much self importance about their fight against the German Nazi Machine, meanwhile it was the communists who did all the work while Western capitalists profited every step of the way since the beginning. And as you pointed out, America had and still has a strong Nazi following, also curiously backed by billionaires.
Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it's up to Russia and China to stop them again.
EDIT - Just wanted to point out that a lot of the horrors of the Eastern front is equally blamed on Stalin too, Baltic people hate Germany and Russia the same for WW2. Every side of WW2 sucked horrendous ass, and nobody won in WW2 (except for capitalists)
Kill Nazis. Kill Nazi CEOs twice.
Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you've been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?
They're apparently calling for gun control in the threads discussing LGBTQ+ people arming themselves.
Sounds like they're still cowards. Well, at least they're consistent. Enemies that are consistent are easier to study and destroy.
That moment for 2A enthusaists came when Alabama banned abortion (before Roe v. Wade was overturned) and when Trump was putting children in cages. They didn't then... they were the Nazis all along. The same people who just wanted to be the Brownshirts, but with their own personal firearms and not something issued to them.
We're seeing a similiar bullshit in Israel with West Bank illegal 'settlers' carrying M4 pattern rifles with them to the 'homes'.
As an LGBTQ+ person who supports the NRA and believes we need substantially more guns in America and to repeal all gun regulation, I really hope all LGBTQ+ and allies not only are armed, but realize the benefit of owning a variety of firearms.
Since conservatives are trying to say some or all LGBTQ+ people are mentally ill, and mental illness is often used to justify disarming people, it's really important for LGBTQ+ people to be aware of these issues.
In the US, gender dyphoria is classified as a mental illness under the DSM and so technically any trans person who has seen a doctor is mentally ill and not allowed to own guns.
Therefore, trans people will hopefully realize the important of being armed prior to disclosing their trans status to a doctor and decent people should do their best to not only the discredit the DSM as the pseudointellectual biased phrenologyesque crock of shit that it is, but also to have gender dysphoria removed as a psychiatric issue and labeled for what it is, a medical issue resulting from brain differences that requires treatment.
Nazis used to be flesh and blood. Now they’re phantoms
Those phantoms are in our government and marching in our streets.
Do we though? Do we really, truly, hate Nazis? The evidence so far is not that conclusive.
I hate Nazis, but I don't think the country as a whole hates Nazis.
Well, you certainly used to, judging by the efforts and sacrifices 80 years ago, but there's certainly a lot of evidence to indicate a lot of Americans of today think you were on the wrong side back then.
See, that's the issue though, you say they "think you were on the wrong side"... but they don't think. They put on a hat with the team colors and just thoughtlessly repeat the chants as the organist plays the fight song.
a gesture (..) resembling a Nazi salute
Fuck off with that shitlib overcautiousness, HuffPo! The only way it could have been any more obviously a Nazi salute would have been if he had screamed "sieg heil!" while doing it!
Wow, what an awkward way of saying hi!
I love AOC but I sure hope she has a really good security team. Most of us hate Nazis, but a whole lot of Republicans are actually Nazis and they hate and despise her.
I want to live in the country she thinks she's living in...
Meh. 25% or so love them, another 25% couldn’t be bothered to care.
Nobody could have predicted him to be a bad person. Really, that came as a surprise for everyone 🤡
You think the numbers are that low? I'd say tops only 33% of the US still hates nazis. The remainder are split between loving them or being indifferent
25% of people who couldn't be bothered to care are still considered Nazis as far as I know
Damn straight. Every US WW II rolled in their grave twice when the sack of shit "Leon Hitler" went on stage. AOC, find a way to fix the Democratic party.
'In this country, we hate Nazis'
I wouldn't be so sure. Trump didn't win the election in a packet of cereals...
Most based AOC, I wonder if the hate-thirsting over her will begin again now that she's becoming such a needed voice in these trying times.
Only asking because the memes about Ben Shapiro wnating her feet pics were funny as hell.
But seriously, can it actually not? I low-key hated all the "Let's just tell dumb blonde jokes with AOC instead of the dumb blonde." memes, cause it's like.. when we call Trump dumb, we can point to shit he actually did (like turn every American into a woman because he's too transphobic to know how to read), we aren't just saying it to say it.
Fucking preach.
I really hope AOC considers a 2028 run for President.
Edit: please fuck off about the uncertainty of 2028 elections, I'm excruciatingly aware, your reminders are not helpful.
It's hilarious that you think you're getting another election before Vance dies of old age. I hope you're right of course but I'm pretty sure your future "elections" will be performative. You're going to have to take that right back.
I greatly appreciate her frustration and look forward to her being the largest voice in dissent.
Same. But she better not be the only dissenting voice!
She'll be MLK Jr'd before she becomes any sort of real voice. We can't rely on idolising individuals anymore, that's what fascists do.
The US also let neo-nazis march on the streets without contest.
Where are the 2A nutjobs now?
This is literally what they've been waiting for. Pick up your guns and go deal with Nazis right here on the American mainland. In the White House.
Where are the 2A nutjobs now?
They're the Nazis
The 2A nutjobs are the neo-nazis.
I'd kind of be willing to wager that we actually hated nazis mostly because they were foreign, more than anything else. I think all that ww2 valorizing history schlock about me and the good old boys from ken-tucky and all over going out and killing all the nazis has totally cooked america's understanding of that war. I dunno, towards the end we did nuke a country, twice, in a totally superfluous and cruel act, and we also concentrated the domestic immigrant population that we were bombing during that war into camps. Everyone brushes over that part, though, and america is truly faultless. These aren't our true characters, being revealed, no, this is just some errant deviation from a much more civilized and reasonable norm! Surely, that must be the case.
It was just cause of the war, they were popular before.
I was about to comment this. The American National Socialist group had massive rallies, if we never got involved with WW2, we'd probably be massive friends with Hitler and use his policies as a springboard.
Hitler was influenced by America's mistreatment of natives and black people for his solutions to the "Jewish question". We would have probably agreed if he was born in Mississippi and not Austria.
towards the end we did nuke a country, twice, in a totally superfluous and cruel act
thats... a tough one. I'm not saying you're wrong. We have a global standard we decided after ww2 about the extent combatants can "legally" injure civilians in a war.
When you look at the level of resistence by the Japanese during battles in Iwo Jima and Okinawa in particular, It points to the idea that they would not have surrendered, especially on their sacred island homeland. They had a split definition for "defeated" and "surrendered". They could logically acknowledge being defeated, but they still would not tender their surrender, and would have fought for every inch, to the death. Even now they say this. They expected to lose on the beaches in Kyushu, but they were still not going to envision surrender. Westerners don't think with this model of war, so we have to take this into account when introspecting what was an optimal path back then-- already a dicey path, as armchair-warrioring the past always is.
The firebombing of Tokyo killed double the number of civilians that the two nuclear bombs did. And yet we dont talk about those events so much. Its an interesting distinction to ponder.
I'm not an expert or military person, but I hear "war crimes" are actually very common in war. As an example, people note that the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam was particularly heinous, but I've seen documentaries which say that that sort of thing happened all the time It just seldom got acknowledged. Mai Lai was extraorindary in its unusual amount of publicity. If this interests you, check out Kill Anything that Moves
On the other hand with my modern understanding of justification for using nukes, my heart agrees with you. There are always possibilities to do something else, or wait. But can I apply that to pre-UN pre-nurembourg pre-geneva convention times? tough one.
I can tell you that I am married into a Japanese family now, and many of them feel it possibly had to be done, but that it was heinous, along with the rest of the war. They also feel the start of the war was more or less mandatory, as the US had locked Japan away from resources it needed to continue existing in the form it was in. No apologies tendered for the initial attack. They feel the US started it, and not expecting the pearl harbor attack was simply stupid.
My wifes mother (still alive) talks about running as fast as she could from place to place in tokyo to get away from the firebombings, and the starvation that followed where people even ate all the grass, then laid down and died or wandered into the countryside. Her parents died in the fires so she walked into the countryside and walked 350 km to Nagoya as an 11 year old alone to find her relatives.
I dunno whether or not you've been hit with this before, but if you haven't, it's your lucky day, have a two hour miniature documentary on the bombs specifically, and how they weren't really justified at all. People should probably still be pissed about it. I'd also say that stuff about japan being locked away from the resources it needed, is kind of dubious. I dunno if it passes the smell test, it smells like modern japan post ww2 nation building narrative stuff, to me. Maybe if we include "in the form it was in" to encompass the entirety of their imperial exploits up til that point. We maybe get, at some point, to the further debate about opening japan up as a more isolationist country through the use of force, by the US specifically. None of this is something I'm prepared to talk about in any respectable level of detail.
As for the prevalence of violence and war crimes in the world, I'd say, yeah, pretty undeniable, undeniably common. I don't much like war, many reasons, that is among them. I think that vietnam, and the continued and unerring deviation from what vietnam basically was, all the way until the modern day, where we're funding an apartheid state that's bombing a minority population, is a testament to the character of the united states. Which is not to say it's beyond rationalization, or is done out of pure evil, rather than cold self-interest, but I think that the true and fundamental character of the united states, as illustrated from those foreign escapades, is kind of self-evidently apparent. Trump's only notable characteristic is that he's turning that gun towards the domestic population a little more, or that he's more rhetorically fascistic, or some other difference, but this sort of a behavior is something I fully believe to be within our fundamental character as a nation. As a political system. Elon exists on that continuum.
I wish that were true
My Grandpa hated some Nazis in other countries, too.
Same. Nazi killing practically runs in the family at this point.
Not even gonna bother with a 'brown shirts will be shot' sign.
Demonstrably not, AOC.
Ohh, sick rip bruh, he'll never recover from that!
This is America.
Her peers cordially shaked hands with them well enough... Nevermind the richest members of the oligarchy who funded and paid respects to their coronation personally.
Weeeeellllll.... some of us do.
Ah yes, but that doesn't stop many of us from voting for them.
No one voted for Elon Musk, but here he is in the White House marching around doing the goose step.
I wish that were true but here we are with President Musk giving a Nazi salute and Americans said, "yeah, this feels right".
Ya ya ya, keep arguing on the internet/news until your country becomes one of the shittiest in world under Trump. Do something about it irl.
R I P S
AND T E A R S
until it's not even started
is "rips" the new "slams"?
Unless you are one. And there seems to be no shortage these days.
But We love Jews, But Jews love Reps. But alt right reps hate Jews.
Let's hope it's true.. you just elected trump
Apparently not
The elections after 2050....
Mr (reuse last name of current or past presidents) was only raping the teens (plural) for five minutes at a time so deserves recognition for that is for winning our elections this year twice! 100% of electoral votes and a huge 5% of all Americans voted in Alabama so he got 67% of the vote plus or minus 350%
This card says moops!
Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.
Yea, no one was talking about this before AOC said something. Thank god she was here to shine light on this little known situation.
I hate people that side with corporations over unions. People like AOC.
Stop. Stop this insanity. That woman is standing up for you. Whether or not you care you'll never match it, so just stop.
