When someone does something you don't want them to do, but the reason you don't want them to do it is completely invalid - that's when you call it virtue signalling.
I recently commented somewhere that the more Elon Musk leans into MAGA the more he looks like a Sith lord and the affliction appears to be hitting Mark Zuckerberg too lately.
I want to agree, but terms like "vice" and "virtue" are subjective. To label what Cuckerberg and his ilk are doing as "virtue" signaling lends credibility to their idea that their vice is virtue. Similar to how the GOP calls themselves the party of "law and order".
I like the term vice signaling, which is what they do all the time. at least I get virtue signaling. but these people are like "hey look how terrible I am" and it's just baffling.
"vote with your wallet and you can affect a corporation!"
Also:
"Fuck you, I'm entitled to your participation (your data) or you're a virtue signaler leftist baby."
I wish I wasn't an atheist, at least I'd have some comfort in knowing pieces of shit get what they deserve. Instead they just become billionaires and live amazing lives.
I'm not "virtue signaling" I'm tired. I'm tired of the ads.
I'm tired of the algorithm intentionally fueling flame wars.
I'm tired of INESCAPABLE "meme pages," run by spam bots, that just recycle the same tired shit over and over and over again.
I'm tired of the THREE different video systems that are inexplicably not interoperable. Reels, Facebook Live, and video Instagram posts all showing up in my timeline but all are part of separate systems. Meanwhile, if I share a link to a YouTube video, it gets suppressed by the almighty algorithm. Because how dare I show my followers/friends something they'd might like to see if it takes their eyeballs away from Facebook.
Finally, I'm tired of companies selling people like me down the river to score political points with chuds.
I literally cannot stop getting "support our troops" or other "MAGA" style shit right now. Also random Zionist pages. I've never "liked" any of them, I've hit "hide posts like this" a million times, nothing fixes it. And if you actually tried to contradict people on those posts, I mean, the ones that get sent to you have 10,000 comments, you're just shouting into the void.
He’s been an asshat at least as far back as when he was enrolled at Harvard. Facebook was originally called Facemash, a “hot or not” clone for guys at Harvard to rate the attractiveness of their female classmates (without consent).
“Meta has us in a chokehold. They make money off our presence in order to continue to be in business and yet it’s too difficult for people to leave,” Makichen wrote.
Difficult? How? I'm pretty sure I still have an account on Facebook from it's early days, but I haven't logged in to it in more than a decade. Friends and family can reach me in other ways, like email or better yet a phone call.
They are talking about their business. The massage place I go to is primarily thru Facebook. They have their own site but it was easier to just request a appointment.
Many businesses have dead websites now, as all the visibility is just through Facebook and Google Maps.
It’s very different than Twitter, where most business use (outside of influencers and influence campaigns) amounts to status updates that can be given elsewhere.
I quit Crackbook a decade ago over the algorithm forcing shit at me I had no interest in.
That's when I learned what a dark pattern was. I started seeing it pop up nearly everywhere that used algorithms.
Did the same with Twatter a few years ago. Again, I was over being forced to see shit I had zero interest in. This time I removed my footprint, leaving a handful of posts.
No one noticed either time I'd left. (No one ever does. That's a whole other rant about the state of anti social media.)
Never used Threads. Won't even click on the ones that are shoved at me through Insta.
Kept Insta for patterns and recipes, and over time I've stopped engaging on the platform. It's just as bad as the others for the algorithm and ads. Staying is on me, I know. Sunk cost fallacy or whatever. I didn't want to lose my collection of patterns that exist no where else.
I started the process of removing what little remains of my presence on IG. Discovered I'm not allowed to remove likes 'to protect the community'. Deleting my own content bugs out often. Removing saved bookmarks bugs out often. No way to keep the videos I refer to often to make things.
Damned straight I mean it when I say I will cease using Meta products. I am tired of being told how to use something, or how I should think and what I should believe.
I would certainly check one out. Federated instances are a good start, being able to curate my own feeds and interests (tags being hijacked is a PITA) but I hold concern of the eventual crap creep.
I think I am in my Old Person Yells At Internet era.
Zuckerberg reportedly decided to do away with censorship mechanisms at Meta after a seemingly innocuous photo that he posted on Facebook in November 2023 about the surgery that was performed on his left anterior cruciate ligament failed to go viral,
This is the same guy who has called people 'dumbasses' at one point for trusting him.
Which is it, Asspuckerberg? Is everyone a 'dumbass' for having joined you and your shitty platforms in the first place or is everyone 'virtue signaling' because they've finally grown tired of it? Sounds to me, one of these paths has the high road, so yes, I'll gladly do it in the name of virtue-signaling. A signaling of how that there's mountains of your bullshit that can't be withstood anymore.
Just like they have mine too. Because we are the odd ones out. Almost everyone else uses that crap. We get identified in photos someone else uploaded. Fingerprinted when we get to a friend's house and auto-join their WiFi. Buy from a business that hands out metrics for "analysis." Click on shared links that weren't stripped of referrer codes. All those tiny data points that mean nothing on their own but in aggregate let data brokers know us better than we know ourselves.
"Everyone is a psychopath like me therefore anything virtuous is disingenuous."
I kind of think a certain amount of money makes you... Inhuman for a lack of a better word. Not only not playing the same game as the rest of us, but so far removed that they don't remember the rules.
Like we're all a part of something together, but when you get to a certain point of wealth (or more likely in order to get to a certain point of wealth) the rest of humanity are just things that give you wealth and not beings such as yourself.
What Mark is really saying you will be back. if anyone is still on Facebook after all these years he is probably right. He also knows if anything that does take it out. He will just buy it up and once again those people will be back under meta's control. He has too much money. The only answer is to stop using identity based social media.
My queer friends have flooded away from FB after the change in moderation standards. There seems to be a critical mass now. I'm just a tad disappointed they went to Bluesky instead of following me to Mastodon.
Yeah that's my point if it gets critical mass that starts to impact Facebook he will just buy it. It's not the first time Jack Dorsey has sold out to a fascist asshat.
Well then I'm virtue signalling, fuckface. I deleted all the Meta platforms I used, save for my fake white supremacist Facebook account because I use that to tell the employers of Nazis that a Nazi works for them. I am done with my personal accounts though.
I never understood that phrase. If you admit there is virtue to your opponents actions isn't that just certifying you are wrong regardless of the opponents intentions?
No, it's saying they're doing something mostly superficial and useless because they think it will make people see them as virtuous, where they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't a highly visible act, not that the actions are actually virtuous. So like someone volunteers for one day for some charitable cause, but spends the whole time taking selfies and not actually helping much.
That said I'm not sure what the logic is that quitting facebook counts as this
Alright but the highly superficial act is seen as virtuous. The act we oppose when we use this phrase. That act. It is virtuous. Therefor we in this hypothetical stand against virtue and goodness.
He said that some users might leave as a form of virtue signaling, not that all who leave will be virtue signaling.
Have there been cases of community notes being ineffective or wrong? I assume that community notes probably have some kind of system that can be abused, but I haven't seen it happen.