Why Conservatives Are Now Obsesses with Raw Milk

Deep insecurity.

They see others doing the right thing & that makes them doubt their entire "purpose" or world view.

Chicken sashimi is a delicacy in Japan, and so easy to prep at home! Just leave your chicken breast out until it assumes room temperature, slice into thin strips, and serve over rice or with seaweed!

The best way to consume raw chicken is in cocktail form, specifically the pollo colada. It's like a piña colada, except you substitute raw chicken for the pineapple.

Oh god, I fucked myself up with some drunkenly not-grilled-right chicken a couple weeks ago, still not in the mood for chicken lol.

That’s also really weird because when I was growing up cigs and coffee, at the same time, was like an inner city liberal stereotype.

Combined with H5N1... thy won't be missed.

You forgot the one about gas stoves in homes.

To be fair, there are so many examples of this lately, it's impossible to keep track of them all.

I said it a million times, if Obama simply came out in favor of lowering the minimum wage then we'd all have six figure salaries.

Humans are famously garbage at comprehending statistics, and most Darwin Award winning conservative behaviors are born of it.

Take any mundane thing that was part of a status quo of a previous era in recent memory. Anything at all. Research comes out suggesting that thing has a small, but non-negligible risk to be quite harmful. So we collectively shift to a new behavior that tries to eliminate the risk. A shift that, in most sane and civil peoples' opinions, is so unobtrusively small that any theoretical benefit we're trading away is probably well worth the risk elimination.

But oh, a certain group of people will bitch and moan and scream and piss all over themselves in rage over how you dared to take away something so integral to their culture and lifestyle! The risk aversion is never worth the vain fringe benefit of whatever perceived quality was lost because the risk is completely invisible until it actually hits them personally.

Milk used to taste so great! God's gift to the world! Then we all started boiling it and now it tastes worse! And for what? Because a couple of weak-bodied cosmic lottery losers were getting a few tummy aches? The vast majority of us are all suffering over nothing! Life was so much better when we weren't all scared of things that won't happen! We did it for millennia and we turned out just fine!

Then you point out all the people actually getting hospitalized from pathogens in raw milk, the very thing we were trying to avoid in the first place, and if they even believe you at all they simply consider it an acceptable price to pay. Better to live in a rich and interesting society where you're free to risk harming yourself and others than a milquetoast one where imperceptible threats have been preemptively eliminated at great cost.

And then they turn around and work to ban books that mention trans people or ban porn websites to save the children or some other dumb shit.

Imagine being so vapid that the extent of your understanding of the world boils down to just being contrarian.

I mean, we could at least try releasing that PSA.

No annon! That's eugenics!

I have lived with lactose intolerance for almost half my life. For a while I drank raw milk, and could digest it. What I read is that while it does have lactose, it also still has the enzymes to digest it, that are lost when it is pasteurized.

But these days I don't bother with any milk from cows, I like oat or coconut milk.

Yeah, but the second half of this AI-generated summary is crap. Lactose and milk proteins that cause intolerance don't go away with pasteurization, you get sick with UHT milk too.

political beliefs aren’t genetic. Nazis tries to exterminate every communist and it didn’t work.

That's what people said during Covid. The strongest dumbs still survived.

You don't really need the bird flu in that mix, even. Pasteurization was a huge public health win.

What next, fridges are woke nanny state inventions and real red-blooded Americans store all their food in room temperature, especially their raw milk and meat?

Call it evolution in action.

We need to tell them about the health benefits of Jonestown Koolaid.

Darwinism goes hard when it benefits the left

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I’m sure it’s usually ok. That’s kind of the problem: if they only get sick 1 in 10 times, for example, they won’t connect the two enough to learn their lesson. Humans are dumb that way, and looking at prevalence of disease in the population is apparently now “woke liberal bs”

These people fundamentally don't understand nature. We had cows for 8,000 years or so, we existed at least x200 that. So it's 0.5% of our existance which means it's a relatively new technology. Even if you appeal to naturalism here it makes absolute no sense.

This is exactly it for the vast majority of them. And there's a minority that have been duped into believing there are legitimate benefits.

You know what? We should probably deny vaccinations, unions, and "love thy neighbor"... The world would be a better place

Wait till they outlaw/regulate eating unpasteurized cheese in the US...

Oh wait.

I hear it's tastier with horse dewormer.

Also binge drink alcohol & smoke all the cigarettes/put in all the dips (because anything that's horrible for your health they love for some reason).

That will show everyone who chooses to smoke weed and exercise and eat vegetables.

That will get them good.

As someone who stopped drinking raw milk as soon as I became aware of the bird flu issue they have whatever happens to them coming. They're incredibly goddamn stupid.

I just like non homogenized milk, it's hard to find pasteurized. Nothing worth dying over ffs.

I grew up drinking raw milk because we were milking 50 head of cows every day. Why make a 50 mile round trip to buy something we 500 gallons of right there in the yard. No one died or even got sick from it. Is it better for you? I don't know or care. It's what we had and the price was right. And it's VERY unlikely any of you would actually want to drink it. And this includes the magahats also. It tastes nothing like the stripped down and flash pasteurized milk you are used to.

That said, for the commercial milk you buy and drink, it's an absolute must to pasteurize the milk. It's going to take a week for that milk to get from the dairy to your refrigerator and you expect it last another week or two. And so food safety demands it.

In any case, it's not illegal to drink raw milk. You just can't sell it to other individuals. If you want raw milk all you need do is to simply get your own cow and milk it. Then you can drink it all you want.

The alt right crowd are weird as shit. Nobody gave a fuck about "raw milk" until the last year or so.

I've seen signs for raw milk in the UK now. The local Facebook groups have tinfoil hat types who think there's a giant conspiracy about Arla (huge milk wholesaler) milk not selling, and taking photos of milk in shops to "prove" it...

The world seems to be in a mental health crisis, and while I'm not suggesting reopening Bedlam lunatic asylum we should probably pay some attention to this. Social media has a lot to answer for

I think the foothold thought was that pasteurization destroys more than just bacteria, and milk might be healthier and/or tastier without having been changed by that process. Of course taste is largely culturally acquired - example A being Germans and UHT milk - but lots of people fancy themselves taste-o-philes.

Then the mistrust of "them" kicked in, and if "they" said the risk of pathogenic bacteria far outweighed any marginal health benefit, the "truth" must be the opposite.

I feel like it used to be a super far left thing but the spectrum is a horseshoe as I'm sure you know. I also think it comes a bit from the prepper community which tends to be "libertarian"

Because our ancestors did it and they were strong Chads.

I think it was originally a "do we really need the government to mandate this" when they were appealing to the idea of like, a small family farm with people idyllically milking a single cow into a bucket. Then that idea morphed into an actual advocacy of drinking it when it got combined with the sort of "crunchy" "paleo" pseudoscience "health nut" movements.

Tastes better. Probiotic, so can be healthier. Risk is very low of contamination, low enough that the mandate for pasteurized milk was kinda overblown, but technically safer.

I find the posturing the funniest. Conservatives trying to act tough by drinking raw milk is hilariously tame. It's like being proud of not wearing sun screen when mowing the lawn. Like, that's arguably fine either way, but sunscreen is a little safer but...why would you brag about that?

"Louis Pasteur was a fascist in line with the new world order!" -Big D

It's just a different kind of cheese! Cabbage cheese, lettuce cheese, raw ground beef cheese. A bunch of libs ain't gonna tell me what's good for me. I've got Jesus in my court!

But the lamestream media says not to do it! That means they're hiding the secret to cleansing out the 5g nanoRNA or some shit.

"Would an apartment key work, or do you have to own a house?"

Electrons are the purest substance known to humanity! How are you going to tell me allowing 15 amps of the purest substance known to flow through my body is a bad thing!?

Stupid liberals don't even understand electronomy!

:P

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It is a non-zero number, you can be sure of that.

Problem is, it won't just affect them. Tuberculosis can spread just fine.

By the gallon.

If they catch bird flu, we all catch bird flu. This idiocy should still be discouraged.

No no no no. Just megadose on vitamin C and take since herbal remedies of questionable origin. You'll be just fine. And if you're not then we'll just blame you for not living a healthy enough lifestyle.

You won't. When Kennedy is in charge of "health", vaccine promoters will probably be crucified.

Sadly, they want everyone to die, not just them.

There definitely are those people too. I noticed this a lot with home schooling. I live in a celery get leaning area and have been surprised at the number of home schoolers I run into.

One had what I consider a good reason - so netting happened at school and the kid was being bullied over it, so they kept him home for a couple years until they could get him in a different school.

But the rest are generally some variation of extremely well educated people thinking they can do better for their kids, let the kids use their imagination or dive very deeply into their interest. But they’re not teachers and not prepared to dedicate every weekday to covering all the same ground. All good intentions, all poorly done at their kids expense

They thought it through... Throughout every step of the process, they're making money hand over fist.

They want this. They want a form of neo-feudalism where they're the warlords, and everyone else that's left is their subject.

You think jolly old Darwin will fix the US problem of conservatism?

Unfortunately, most of these people have already reproduced.

Ah, the abbreviation here is great. Since a family friend of mine is named Pat and had been buying into this shit more and more over the years. He even got a doctor to give him hydroxychloroquine during the peak of covid!

If you mean biologically- the ones without lactose tolerance, sure. The ones with lactose tolerance evolved to do so.

Morally is a different story, although even there, I don't really see a problem with a subsistence farmer living off of cow and goat's milk. Factory dairy farming is another issue.

I only drink my milk in a solid state

Average lactose intolerant L

"Why Tommy, what have you been reading?"

I use milk so infrequently that I get the powdered milk and mix up however much I need when I'm cooking.

Ewwwwwwwwww

The conservatives clearly wish to be left alone in their stupidity

No, no they do not. They feel compelled to force their stupidity on everyone. I guarantee you, there will be bills brought to the floor that require raw milk to be served at elementary schools.

This goes beyond "show you sources" to "you need classes in genetics, microbiology, organic evolution, and maybe statistics". For what it's worth, I'm an educated and experienced microbiologist with experience in public health. I'm not sure how to cite what's effectively a semester of college education and four textbooks into one comment. I can explain the basics and you can verify details if you'd like. I am more than happy to answer questions and point you towards where you might find more information on specific topics but citations for all of this would be a huge endeavor.

There are two main reasons H5N1 isn't human-to-human: specificity and, by its effect, low transmission. I'll try to keep this super high level.

Regarding specificity, viruses don't infect cells at random. Instead, there's basically a "lock and key" effect where the virus attaches to an external component (receptor) of the soon-to-be infected cell, then it releases its genetic payload. Much like how it's pretty easy to pick most locks, it doesn't need to be a perfect match, just close enough to get the job done.

This is how you get some splash over between species, as there's variation in both the virus and potential receptors due to mutation, and through random chance you might get a good enough match. The more exposure a virus has to potential receptors, the more likely it is that this will happen. If it happens, the particular mutation making this possible will be selected for in that individual or population, creating many more copies of a mutation that otherwise may have just died out. This is exactly what happens when a human gets infected with a zoonotic virus.

Next we have transmission. Not all cells in the human body have the same receptors, so viruses can infect different parts of the body. This is partly why people get "head colds" and "stomach bugs" - that's the region with the most cells with the target receptor. H5N1 isn't particularly good at infecting human airway cells, so infected humans are fairly well dead ends as this blocks airborne transmission, its primary mode of spread.

Currently, H5N1 is one point mutation, vastly the most common type of mutation, away from switching specificity to humans and infecting our airways. This is incredibly small and viruses churn out point mutations like crazy. Every time some dingus swills down raw milk, we're rolling evolution's random chance mutation dice. If just one virion has that single mutation and successfully infects that moron's airway, it's game on for a potential new pandemic. Evolution is just a numbers game and the more chances you give it, the more likely it is to happen.

I also suspect that the bird flu (H5N1) is not (as of yet, at the time this post was written...) likely to mutate to spread in a human-to-human context.

If you are infected with multiple flu strains at the same time, the viruses can recombine and yield a new strain. That is substantially more chance to get a human-to-human transmissible H5N1 than just by mutation alone (which is still something that should not be underestimated - flu mutates like crazy). There is a reason why virologists warn about H5N1 as the likely candidate for the next pandemic.

H5N1 isn't going to be the last virus. The next time they cough their lungs out, it could be contagious.

They've done it before, they'll do it again. Just give it time and with abundance of idiots helping it along, soon the Maga bird flu will be the hot new COVID.

Far left doesn’t drink milk from a cow. Most of us.

Maybe not explicitely about raw milk, but I can easily see health food / raw food advocates / communes at the very left end of the spectrum.

That statement isn't about the unpasteurized milk, it's about being anti-establishment. If I had to guess, I'd say the idea is to say "both these groups are anti-establishment, now let me show you how crazy the raw milk thing on this side is so you'll implicitly think the other group is a bunch of weirdos too."

It's shifted more to maga, but the hippie "I only eat natural foods" morons definitely exist.

I think a lot of it is coming from the bird flu scare. If the milk is pasteurized the virus would be killed in the process. If it isn't killed and gets transferred to a person it can be deadly. The chance of death varies drastically though. Worse than covid odds, but up to ridiculous levels if someone is pregnant.

Basically if a pregnant woman gets it from raw milk somehow, the chances of death for her and the baby are around 90%. So the lack of knowledge of if the spread amongst the cows is being stopped, is leading to the fear of it being dangerous to humans