Love that the entire internet, left, right, authoritarian, liberal, and everyone in-between came out to say “lol, get rekt, oligarch.” Nothing I’ve ever seen has been as unifying as this. Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected.
I think the powers that be underestimate our thirst for justice. This is the closest thing to justice for the rich we've seen in - maybe our lives?
I don't want to live in a world of vigilante justice but this kind of thing is inevitable when the system fails us for as long as it has.
As a Brazilian living in Rio de Janeiro (golden handcuff effect), I highly agree. My country sucessfully improved human rights but as a collateral effect, gov't refuses to build more jails so jail overcrowding resulted in de facto decriminalization of theft, and police releasing criminals just a pair of hours they get caught - and nowadays cops can't even slap a scumbag in the face because our more important TV channel witch-hunts anyone who does anything that remotely resembles a potentially mild human rights violantion without even making questions to the parts involved, so we who live in the part of the city controlled by the government sometimes try to bring some vigilante justice... out of despair!
As someone that could probably best be described as center-left (guillotine oligarchs yes, UBI yes, abolition of private property and free markets no), I do dare say that not a single common person on the right likes the billionaires either. It's just that their side of the political isle has been co-opted by the billionaires even worse than the "left" side because being anti-tax and anti-regulation is more useful to billionaires than pro-tax and pro-regulation.
Private property ≠ personal property. Private property is mostly owned by businesses and corporations, not a person.
As we can see in the US, housing should never be private property, since the number of units that have sat empty for at least 12 months outnumbers our homeless population by a factor of over 70:1 counting all residential types (apartments, condos, duplexes.) If you only count single family detached homes, those still outnumber the homeless population by a factor of 30:1
I commented on a [email protected] post about a bunch of CEOs of publicly traded companies endorsing Kamala Harris saying that it hurts her campaign more than it helps and I got downvoted and had people replying to me saying "um, actually most people look up to CEOs, you're the one out of touch." I'm feeling pretty vindicated rn.
Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected.
That would get my vote.
He’s not even an oligarch. He’s the oligarchs’ toadie.
If this reaches the real oligarchs, we might see some change—and backlash but backlash is inevitable if before real change.
"Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected."
Found my quote of the year.
I couldn't agree more, every Trump supporter I've seen or talked to is just gleeful about this. Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Oldschool, it doesn't matter, everyone in the 99% loves this. The day Brian Thompson was shot put a smile on the face of America.
That’s the one enemy everyone has in common. We need more like those.
It could be the one thing that heals the country.
What? The politics of right / liberal free market capitalism creates those! Did anyone read Marx and Piketty?
Wow I think this is the first time I’ve seen this meme template used so appropriately.
Are people losing their minds, though? I thought the reaction was pretty muted. There was some celebration, to be sure, but I think that is a pretty rational response.
People seem to be losing their minds in a very positive way
Over 100 Americans have died from diabetes since this guy was shot. Where are the headlines for all of them? Does the fact that they were murdered by a system instead of an individual make their deaths less noteworthy?
Also, there's something like an average of 47 gun deaths per day (not sure if this site is including suicides, if it is then it's roughly half without it). But CEOs matter more than Average Joe.
I mean to be fair we're all here clicking on this one to cheer at the guy. News organizations are going to run stories that get them clicks. While we may consider his death important and noteworthy, none of us are going to click and read an article about how Joe Random died from his heart failure or diabetes.
Maybe not, but we absolutely click on an article detailing just what the fuck e.g. the government is actually going to do about it.
More Americans die every year because of lack of access to medical care than from all of our wars combined.
Can I get a source on this? This sounds like a wild figure!
EDIT: Read the below comments. Wether it's true or not... Still an unacceptable amount of preventable deaths. We have to do better.
Actual research finds that annual "deaths caused due to lack of insurance" is around 40-50 thousand (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2775760/)
and "if the usa had healthcare as good as france, 101 thousand annual deaths would be prevented" (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-deaths-rankings-idUSN0765165020080108/)
as for war deaths, the ~100 thousand barrier is breached when all wars back to the korean war (1950-1953) are included. Then world war 2 is massively over
so the literal truth of the original statement is that it's maybe mostly correct if you consider "our wars" to only be wars that the usa played a key role in starting, and only count the last century, but false if not
(eg. the civil war would totally blow the number out of the water, world war 2 would totally blow the number out of the water, and with the unpopular vietnam war it would depend on what exactly your standards of "lack of access to medical care" are)
We have people like the Joker who give us philosophical questions about our civilization but we've yet to see a billionaire use their infinite money and resources to dress up in a suit and mask, fight crime and build a fancy car or jet with exotic weapons to fight real life villains.
we've yet to see a billionaire use their infinite money and resources to dress up in a suit and mask, fight crime and build a fancy car or jet with exotic weapons to fight real life villains.
That's a good thing, though. They may make for great movie and comic book fodder, but in real life, superheroes are pretty much just cops with fewer rules: rather than doing anything about the underlying causes of crime, they just beat up symptoms and theoretical bogeymen.
With his vast resources, Bruce Wayne could reduce crime by 75%+ by investing in prevention, but he prefers beating up people, most of whom are low level goons who probably turned to crime out of desperation, a lack of better options, or varying levels of coercion if not downright brainwashing by the main villains and their middle managers.
Batman would TOTALLY beat up a ton of entry level employees who AREN'T at fault as well as the CEO if insurance profiteering was illegal.
Yeah the reality would be closer to The Boys or The Watchmen.
Just real pieces of shit, likely corporatized with a massive amount of PR keeping them popular while they murder babies and shit.
To be fair, the Joker was a psychopathic murderer. He wasn't just laying out deep questions.
"the Joker was a psychopathic murderer"
So a CEO then.
That's what I've been saying. Or they could at least hire and outfit someone to do it. These people don't have any imagination at all.
No one is losing their minds. Most are quite satisfied with the news
Tell that to the police who decided they actually are going to try this time to find the killer. Tell that to the news juicing the story. They care and they will use your money to do something about it.
This is stupid because I have not seen one comment from anyone other than other CEOs that is not celebrating his death.
That's the point. You did it. You discovered the discrepancy. No one cares and Infact we are celebrating. However the police are pumping money into mass manhunt, news is juicing the story nonstop. 10k reward for info. Obviously the powers that be care and care a lot that a CEO got shot. You don't. I don't. And yet by time it's over, hundreds of thousands of dollars will have been spent in man-hours hunting this guy down. An amount of money that would be ridiculous if you or I got shot. No one would care. But a CEO? nYPD pulling out every stop they got.
10k reward for info
Which is frankly hilarious. UnitedHealthCare group grossed $90 billion in the last 12 months and they are offering only a $10,000 reward for help finding the assassin. I bet their next CEO gets 10 to 100 times that much in just a signing bonus.
why do I feel like flooding the reward info line with false information like we always do with the abortion manhunt forms.
10k reward for info.
Isn't that standard for info on a murder? I feel like I've heard this before. Maybe it's usually "up to" 10k. Idk.
One death is a tragedy, 16m deaths is a statistic.
One ceo death is a targeted assassination. Multiple ceo deaths is a revolution.
16m deaths is a profit margin
16M deathllars
Good job he died really innit, cos those medical bills would've been a bit pricey!
I’d be willing to bet his health package was mostly paid for as part of his compensation.
Only mostly?
Meh, I feel indifferent. Like I'm neither happy nor sad.
Funny thing about these CEOs is that they are universally hated across the political spectrum.
Kamala bragged on the campaign trail about how many CEO endorsements she had. That worked great!
LOLOL she did? I didn't pay attention to the news too often because the news is too depressing, but if she did, that's just extra dumb. Like both democrats and republicans from progressives to magats, they all have a dislike for CEOs of big corporations (generally speaking, I know there are exceptions like the Elon worship within the maga movement). What the fuck is that compaign strategy?
I was thinking today that I hate how emotionless I've become about this sort of stuff. I wasn't this way 8 years ago.
Are you confused? CEOs are like the cheerleaders of capitalism, right liberals got to love them?
Everyone is losing their minds because they're afraid there'll be a run on popcorn, not because anyone will miss a waste of space healthcare CEO.
If people don't feel like we can make things better with negotiation, this is where it goes. I'm not up for pretending I didn't see this coming.
This may be good time to be an experienced professional body guard, because there's a lot of healthcare CEOs left and no way was the alleged attacker (I didn't see shit!) the only person they've hurt.
Repeat after me: healthcare should not be profit driven..
Healthcare should not be profit driven.
You asked me to.
I'm glad that I live in a country with socialized healthcare.
I'm glad for you too. Sometimes I wonder what life would be like if my parents had stayed in one of three countries we lived in before settling in the US.
Insurance is just a bad model for healthcare.
I don't have any problem with hospital workers being fairly compensated. They have difficult jobs, and doctors are highly skilled and have expensive student loans to pay off. But the cost of care in the US is astronomical compared to any other industrialized nation.
Uhh, correct me if I'm wrong, but the total population of America is 335m. If 16m people are dying DAILY, your entire country will be dead by Christmas.
If a 20th of the population dropped dead overnight, I would like to think that any nation would panic.
The post never said 16m will die daily. It just says tomorrow. The 16m is probably the number of customers this guy's company has and denies coverage.
It's about 9k a day. That's just all deaths. Medically treatable and avoidable deaths is 624 a day. According to the only numbers I can find, but it's wonky, so I'll grant you it may not be precise, but it's probably a good ballpark number.
Even if it's one person a day that dies without necessity of a preventable and treatable cause that universal healthcare would have fixed, that's a lot of deaths. And it's more than one CEO who likely thought very seriously about the question ''is curing anyone a good business model?''
Found the explanation:
https://lemmy.world/comment/13802091
Still slightly hyperbole, but somewhat grounded.
Nice, this was what I was expecting!
I don't agree with the post, and I think stretching the stats beyond meaning is more harmful than helpful.
Now, if you were to frame this as 16m people NOT being treated for preventable illnesses that would likely be treated in most western countries, that is a damning statistic. It indicates that people are walking around ill/injured for no reason other than greed, draining hospital resources further. It also indicates a lack of quality in care, since those doctors that could be getting their reps in learning to administer specific drugs or procedures don't get to because "insurance says no lol".
Only if you don't replace the dying population. That's why Republicans banned abortions and Democrats crrated open borders.
It's a good reminder that the people who oppress us have names and addresses.
And we know their names and surnames, especially for CEOs.
Luckily, bullets outnumber evil CEOs.
Today I decided to collect a small mountain of Facebook posts of people who had claims denied by United Healthcare prior to 2024. I'm not shocked but also I am.
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'Nobody panics when things go "according to plan."' -- as a software engineer, I assure you this isn't completely true. If things are too smooth, something is definitely, probably horribly and sneakily, wrong.
"Any problem that goes away by itself can come back by itself." - fellow programmer I knew
False positives make me lose sleep because I get oaged. False negatives make me lose sleep because of the dread.
(When I carried a pager) I'd rather occasionally get paged at 3AM for nothing than not get a page when it actually was Something. But those were production systems for things that would make the news if they went down.
Did something happen? Do I want to know?
Someone assassinated the CEO of an American health insurance company with a silenced pistol after an investors meeting. Apparently the company is famous for turning down people's requests for treatment while the guy had a yearly salary in the
undredstens of millions."Delay" and "Depose" were apparently written on the shell casings.
"Delay. Deny. Defend." is a common health insurance company mantra about denying service long enough that people die so the company doesn't have to pay for the Healthcare they're entitled to.
Insurance pre-authorization for medical care should be outlawed. If a doctor orders a procedure, the insurance company shouldn't be allowed to say "no." But they are because our system is super fucked.
The revolution has begun.
They were wrong about it not being televised, lol. News channels are showing the footage right up to where the trigger was pulled.
cringe
Nothing has begun because there isn't enough of you Leftists with guns or training. All y'all do is complain on the internet. This was one gun owning dude who knows how to procure a suppressor, both of which I'm 100% sure you don't know how to do yourself nor does 75% of the rest of us left leaning voters
This might be the most accurate version of the original scene done in real life.
Who's losing their mind? I find this based as hell.
Tim Walz made some gross tweet mourning this guy and calling it a tragic loss. Kinda underlines the whole "Democratic establishment is out of touch" line we've been hearing since the election
Who's losing their mind?
Other insurance company CEOs.
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This is just another proof that we live in a capitalist dystopia. Only rich lives matter.
I fucking love this place, lol!
All According To KillKeo
KillKeo means plan
Thank you for getting my reference.
Seems like its the other way around on here. Honestly, the insurance system should just change to universal health care and if wealthy people aren't content they could just buy an extra insurance on top or pay themselves while still contributing to public health. The system is at fault, not a replaceable CEO. Because while he might be replaceable for the company, he sure still had a family, friends and nothing will change now
If wealthy people aren't content, they can improve the system for everyone.
Perhaps, wishful thinking I know... But perhaps, this will give the next CEO some slight pause when considering screwing over millions of people for the financial gain of already rich people. PERHAPS, now that there's a tangible consequence for being a greedy murderous asshat, they'll think twice.... Probably not, but I can hope.
The "replaceable CEO" is part of the reason the system is broken in the first place.
Most humans and human work are inherently replaceable. Even great minds that have novel ideas. At some point someone else will come up with the same idea. Even US Presidents are. On a systematic level everyone is. I just wanted to highlight that the CEO, while head of operations of a company, is only lended this power and not really in charge. I think humans (not on a personal level) are inherently replaceable sadly but I don't think any system changes this
I'm out of the loop. Who's dead?
UnitedHealthcare CEO
Thanks.
Imagine the brouhaha if it were musk or bezos. All the justice felt over this is just venting with no effect on IRL events. Matter of fact, his job will likely be filled sooner rather than later. This will be just a minor blip on the big screen of history
That's true of almost everything. Especially our comments here. But if people find solace in karma, I'm not going to bash them for it.
It at least has the effect of getting us to imagine if it were Musk or Bezos.
Spot effing on.
People really want to celebrate this as a class war victory, but it was probably just about money or personal drama.
The reason doesn't matter all that much, although the CEOs wife says there were threats to him about lack of coverage so it's very possible, the point is a parasite was exterminated.
As someone that calls police out to their face while accepting them throwing rocks at my house, following me to the bank and the store, following me in the stores, having their kids harass me everywhere I go ... and I still mock and call them names and send letters to judges, chief of police, and city council, state legislators, send letters and call congress and the president, attends protests, gives money to bail funds, complains to family and friends about the state of the USA only to be rebuffed and ostracized by them too,
Fuck you for whining about me still caring about a life.
Just fuck your weak, violence wanting ass. You are just as bad as them.
Letters and name-calling will only do so much. In the meantime, for many people, things seem to get worse.
In fact, it's done nothing but make their own life worse.
Let me see the list of Americans dead because they were denied coverage. Then I’ll care!
Frankly my guy no one cares if a person like you cares.
You do lol
Those who profit from the status quo are the same who could have that information consolidated for review. They also know that maintaining your apathy is central to their business model.
If they have created a system by which they can profit immensely, but that profit could be taken away by the masses at anytime, the last thing they will do is enable you to care.
Your comment shows that they have been successful in tricking you into not only not caring, but actually advocating against your own interests.
Not caring about their CEO being shot? lol brainwashed!
They should unironically do this (I suppose they would need the family's permission). But a Senator could make quite a name for themselves by reading off the names of Americans who have died due to being denied coverage.
On the other hand, given the current climate, they'd probably end up getting harassed by red hats so maybe not.
Yikes, can we not glorify the Joker? This is some cringe incel level stuff.
I agree that glorifying him is an absolute incel take, but like the other commenter said, this is actually an appropriate use for this template. This isn't glorifying him or anything.
Yes it is. This is a cringe "we live in a society" memes rebranded with a current event.
Where the Joker excels is pointing out horrifying issues within our society. This is, in fact, one of those situations. It isn't saying it's good that the CEO was murdered, rather pointing out that society at large doesn't care if it's poor people who die by the millions. One CEO and it's the most important thing happening. If this amount of effort and money went towards helping poor people then their issues would be solved, but instead we're wasting it talking about one rich bastard only.
Concern trolling is some cring incel level stuff.
While I wasn’t personally concerned (Joker was amazing in Dark Knight, a bad dude who is also worthy of being in memes)…
@[email protected] assuming you were concern posting not concern trolling
This guy doesn't live in a society
Wanna know how I got these downvotes?
You get what you deserve.
Joker isn't a real person, he cannot hurt you.
"Yikes"
Go back to Reddit.
Welcome to Lemmy. It's cringe incel level stuff all the way down.
Well, go on back to reddit lol
