"Farmer" and "White". Name a more American duo
ETA: I’ll take the downvotes on this one. Shower your disapproval. Fuck this lady and her leopard eaten face.
I don't really feel happy for anybody in this case. Everybody loses. We can only hope that this person learned their lesson.
Absolutely agreed - her situation is a shit one, and I hope she learned her lesson. She chose her journey, though, in the face of all the contrary evidence.
Rules for thee, but not for me.
The Only Moral Abortion is My Own.
Classic FAFO
I love that they referred her to an anti-abortion crisis center, because there's a 99% chance they'll just tell her the same "pro-life" garbage she's been spewing and send her ass home.
Remember, God makes no mistakes 🤗
I really do hate myself for a lack of sympathy in this situation, but these people need to experience what they’re doing to everyone else.
What’s sad is that people who agree with her won’t see the threat to her life as a valid reason either. They don’t know her so they don’t care for her. They’ll lump her in with the people they torment outside of Planned Parenthood regularly.
Just another woman who spread her legs and is too cowardly to accept the will of god.
I’ll be honest, I’m burned out. I need a break from morons and their stories. I really do.
I’ll be honest, I’m burned out. I need a break from morons and their stories. I really do.
You need to stop going out of your way to doomscroll on social media, then. It's ultimately entirely in your power to not be exposed to them.
I'm being serious. It's not good for you--social media makes it extremely easy to be exposed to negativity 24/7 if you're looking for it, since you're 1 person in a world of over 8 billion. You don't have to get even close to 1% of the people being assholes, for this to be not only possible, but trivially easy.
The human psyche is literally not designed to withstand the kind of barrage technology has made possible. Please do not feel guilty about giving yourself a break at times, to say the very least.
Don’t feel bad. Everyone has limits. At some point you have to worry about yourself and those around you.
I've given up on being sympathetic for people who actively try to put these things in place. Like, I'm just jaded now. You voted for this. Congratulations, if this is fatal for your stupid decisions, that's on you. I'm sympathetic to the people with brains who knew this would happen, those people get my sympathy and caring.
This may get downdooted to oblivion, but I think some of this is human nature. It is abhorrent, and something we need to strive to fix, but it is rather natural for people to think that their own situation is typical -- because for them, it is. Every exemplar that a privileged person will have is also a privileged exemplar -- until, of course, something like this happens.
And as a further consequence, it is extremely difficult to convince someone that their personal situation is not the norm. Everyone wants to be the main character and ultimately believes that they are.
Not sure what the solution is.
I get your point, but i think people are not consistent with this. Who gets or doesnt get sympathy is entirely emotional.
Ive had people say that refugees are at fault for not getting their papers in order in time and shut be deportet over it and then go on to talk about how for them as citizens it is impossible with the low staffed and inefficient government offices these days.
They willfully ignore that their problems with the bureaucracy could exist for other people too. And we are not even talking about acknowledgong it to be worse. Just simply transferring their life experience onto other people like you describe.
Reading.
We need everyone to read more books. A wide variety of stories on a wide variety of topics by a wide variety of authors, all with different backgrounds and ideas. We must read stories that let us temporarily step into the mind and experiences of other people, who aren't us, to train our brains the ability to understand the plights of others. Books of human stories, as opposed to movies, doom-scrolling TikTok, etc., seems uniquely suited for this kind of training of empathy, because the stories are executed inside our own brains.
I'm willing to bet that these why-are-the-leopards-suddenly-eating-my-face? the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion type people have read distinctly less, or at least far less varied, stories than us who look at them and wonder how it is possible to be so unable to put themselves in the shoes of anyone but themselves.
Provide testing for logic, critical thinking, and empathy in order to vote?
Stop making excuses for stupid people that hold back the progress of mankind?
Oh, I'm not trying to make excuses. Though I can appreciate that it looks like that.
But how do we restrict the stupid people? If we agree that every human gets to take part, then it follows that the stupid will be voting.
I don't think a litmus test is the answer, since they are extremely easy to misuse. Why not say only landowners should vote? How about only veterans? It's a dangerous path.
The poor dear has learned the consequences of voting against her interests far too late. I laughed, but at the same time I'm worried about those who voted in their interests and got fucked over.
This is just like COVID. "Do the bare minimum by staying home and social distancing to save those who cannot fight this fight." And they all said, "fuck that, I have a TV in 4K but watching church services on it just doesn't fill me with the holy spirit! Imma risk it!" And then proceed to make the pandemic worse than it had to be while adding another god damned fucking wedge issue into the mix of other wedge issues drummed up by the GOP and ultra wealthy.
Aww man Im all out of fucks
Privileged people do get an exception - they can afford to fly to another state for an abortion.
People like this think they're part of the in group because they're white or christian, but the only war is class war. To our rulers we're all the enemy.
My fucking Trumpy brother in law has this attitude. He lives in the south, votes for Trump, and has a wife, two daughters, and a son. His wife has had a couple of complicated pregnancies that, had they happened now in the place they currently live, could well have resulted in her death. His attitude when asked 'what if one of your daughters gets raped?' is to say he can just fly her somewhere else to get an abortion, because he has money. Fuck you, dude.
These are people who don't want rights, they want privileges. They don't want equality, they want hierarchy. They can't say "gimme gimme", they say "take America back".
From who? Americans. They want to take what you have. Now that Republicans control the Federal Government they will start to take from each other.
This literally happened during the first Trump administration. Does no Trump supporter remember how they all fought for attention and sucked so badly?
Many states put a bounty on anyone found to be helping someone travel out of state to get an abortion.
States specifically target liberal groups for harassment and penalty. Conservative physicians will be ignored.
The point of these witch hunts is to torment opposition groups.
I know Texas does this, but do other states?
Texas also has many local abortion travel bans so you can be punished for using their roads while going to the other states if you can't afford to fly over them.
"First they came for..." you fucking ghouls.
You signed a death warrant for us all and for our children's supposed future, and your ignorance and cowardice was the ink.
I am rapidly running out of sympathy for such people. I still have some, but I am rapidly running out.
Saving this! Who knows when it might come in handy…
Literally the Republican Way™©®
It disgusts me to no end. "It's wrong and should be punished until it happens to me!"
For what it's worth, this particular case happened 2 years ago, in Missouri:
From the article:
She was already at "risks of maternal thrombosis given her history of (deep vein thrombosis during a COVID-19 infection)
Why do I picture this lady as an anti-vaxxer & anti-masker?
Good lemming. Keep doing good things.
Nutpicking. For every "Haha! Instant Karma! Suck it, idiots!" front page circle jerk, a thousand conservatives will get abortions under the table without a problem.
You've got to go two years back on this shit because its ultimately the exception, not the rule.
Missouri just voted to make them legal again, so not sure your point.
God’s plan, bruh.
The only moral abortion is MY abortion!
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
-Francis M. Wilhoit
Reminds me of brexit. You were warned, lady. You just chose not to listen because you didn’t think it would have a negative impact on you.
Hmmm. This sounds a lot like Karma.
Now I do know and understand the risks along with what is involved with a hysterectomy, but her age along with her political stance brings some questions.
With her being 'mostly pro-life'... Was she against contraception? Did she get pregnant on purpose? Did she know the level of risk to the mother and fetus with a pregnancy after 40? She said she was worried about losing her uterus... Was she wanting to get pregnant again? Did she know she's just around the corner from menopause? Being around her age, the option for freezing one's eggs can be a viable option, especially with the possibility of needing a hysterectomy. Would she be against a surrogate pregnancy?
Good. I hope she suffers. She is apparently one of the knuckle draggers who can only learn the hard way.
she won't. if she survives she'll just go back to her old self calling other abortion seekers evil or sluts.
even when they had the right, that's what they did as they are leaving the abortion clinic after having had one themselves ... there's a massive disconnect in the brain.
And nothing was actually learned.
"then connected Farmer with an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center in the state"
I can imagine how that conversation went: "I know its risking not only your reproductive organs, but also your life. However, have you considered carrying the child to term so she can die in your arms shortly afterward so you can 'pwn the libs'? Think about their tears!"
It's a sad reality that most pro-life stance people don't understand that most pro-choice people are also pro-life. It certainly doesn't help that some extremists rant loudly about 9th month abortions. But a lot of people who don't like the idea of abortion still understand the need for it, both medical and otherwise, and believe the decision should rest with the parent and doctor, not the government. If there was more open an honest communication then there probably wouldn't be as many single-issue voters voting Republican because of this issue.
There are few situations where I would choose abortion, however if my wife or daughter needed an abortion for whatever reason, I'd want it to be legally available from a qualified healthcare provider with minimal wait time. This business of having to leave the state/country to get an abortion is fucking ridiculous.
Exactly. I thought I was pro-life years ago because I personally wouldn't consider an abortion outside of medical issues. But I also didn't presume to make decisions for other people. It took a friend explaining to me that my position makes me pro-choice for me to understand. The Republicans have done a good job of framing the pro-choice stance as wanting to kill babies, and the pro-choice people haven't done a good job explaining that it's not.
She probably still believes all the bullshit too. "too many women are just getting post birth abortions for the funsies" Just the fakest stupidest lies.
[Scene opens on a wide, desolate savanna at dusk. The camera slowly pans over a leopard lying under a tree, its large body barely able to move. The sun is setting, casting a cold, dim light over the scene. Soft wind rustles through the dry grass. The leopard’s eyes are dull, its breathing labored.]
Narrator (soft, somber voice): In the wild, leopards are meant to stalk, to hunt, to climb. But for some, this is no longer possible. These are the leopards of the forgotten savanna... the ones who can no longer live the life they were born to lead.
[Cut to a close-up of another leopard, this one lying next to a watering hole, panting heavily. The camera lingers on its enormous, bloated body, its paws barely able to reach the ground. The leopard’s eyes seem vacant, devoid of the wild spark they once had.]
Narrator: Overfed and unable to move, these leopards have been left to a slow, painful existence. They can no longer hunt their prey, no longer climb the trees to escape danger, no longer feel the thrill of the chase. They are trapped in their own bodies.
[Cue the soft, mournful opening chords of "Angel" by Sarah McLachlan. The camera slowly pans over a third leopard, sluggishly trying to rise, but its massive weight prevents it from standing. It lets out a heavy sigh, its once-strong legs buckling beneath it.]
Narrator: They are the forgotten victims of a world that has abandoned them. Too fat to run, too weak to fight... These leopards are slowly fading, one breath at a time. They need your help.
[Cut to a shot of a leopard staring out over the savanna. The camera lingers on its face, eyes half-closed, its expression one of quiet resignation.]
Narrator: For just $3 a day, you can provide the care and support these leopards so desperately need. A donation will help give them the chance to live a life of dignity. Help them find their way back to the wild they were meant to roam.
[The music swells as the camera fades to black, and the words "Your donation can make a difference" appear in white text on the screen.]
Narrator (whispering): Please, don’t let them suffer in silence. The time to act is now.
[The music fades out, and the SPCA logo appears in the corner, along with a toll-free number and website for donations.]
this is missouri.
i bet this woman still voted against amendment 3.
Two years ago? Cuz that's how old this is.
A medical form field we need is "what did you learn?"
Womp womp
I'll take stories that never happened for 400 Alec.
Hahahahahahahahahahah
This was a string of malpractices. The Missouri law didn't prohibit an abortion in this case, but it was incorrectly judged by the doctors/their legal staff. The law allows abortions in case of a medical emergency - which this was.
From your link:
"At the time of the discussion, Farmer was medically stable, with some vaginal bleeding that was not heavy. “Therefore contrary to the most appropriate management based (sic) my medical opinion, due to the legal language of MO law, we are unable to offer induction of labor at this time,” the report quotes the specialist as saying."
So yes, the law did prevent an abortion and endangered her life.
She is suing because she expected an exception for herself.
According to the HHS secretary:
“While many state laws have recently changed, it’s important to know that the federal EMTALA requirements have not changed, and continue to require that healthcare professionals offer treatment, including abortion care, that the provider reasonably determines is necessary to stabilize the patient’s emergency medical condition,” Becerra wrote.
“The hospital’s noncompliance creates a reasonable expectation that an adverse outcome resulting in serious injury, harm, impairment, or death will occur to current or future individuals in similar situations if not immediately corrected,” the report states.
“Although her doctors advised her that her condition could rapidly deteriorate, they also advised that they could not provide her with the care that would prevent infection, hemorrhage, and potentially death because, they said, the hospital policies prohibited treatment that could be considered an abortion,” Becerra wrote. “This was a violation of the EMTALA protections that were designed to protect patients like her.”
Farmer suffered what doctors call preterm premature rupture of membranes — her water broke, followed by vaginal bleeding, abdominal pressure and cramping, the Springfield News-Leader reported in an October article. Doctors told her she would be unlikely to carry the child to term, and doing so increased her chances of infection or other severe outcome.
Medical errors are a serious issue in the US, harming over 400,000 people and killing over 200,000 in a single year. This is a clear-cut example of a harmful medical error.
Yeah but I can't blame the doctors for refusing, when in doubt a right wing jury without medical training will decide if it was an emergency or not, and your freedom depends on their verdict.
What defines a medical emergency in rhe eyes of the law? How many hospitals are going to perform an abortion they deem a medical emergency only to be potentially sued by an AG who disagrees that it was medically necessary?
Missouri law has a definition of "emergency" here, which this situation fits. Also, if I tell my doctor friend Bob not to call 911 unless an emergency is happening, my other friend Tom starts having a seizure he believes is life-threatening, and Bob doesn't call 911, is that my fault or Bob's fault? If hospitals start getting sued en masse for these obvious mistakes, they'll probably be more likely to see reason. This is either a genuine error in reading the law or liability dodging.
So did she lose her uterus? That would be great actually.
