Masked neo-Nazis marched through Columbus, Ohio’s Short North neighborhood on Saturday, displaying swastika flags and making racist and antisemitic statements.
Police are investigating, and no arrests have been reported.
Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine and Columbus officials condemned the display, emphasizing that hate and bigotry have no place in the state.
The incident follows a similar demonstration in Michigan last week, where masked protesters displayed Nazi flags outside a performance of The Diary of Anne Frank.
Everyone shares some level of accountability, and I know nobody wants to hear it and will stomp and huff and gnash their teeth at the notion, but it's true. Some carry a much larger chunk of that responsibility than others, from of course the people who didn't care and didn't vote, and the people who cared and still didn't vote, to just the people who rolled their eyes every time someone posted a "political" picture in /r/funny and had to start a 300+ comment deep thread about how stupid politics is, down to the small pieces held by everyone who did everything right but never valued their community, didn't make a stand against people saying and doing things we didn't agree with, and lets not forget everyone who never involved themselves in their local elections even enough to vote for the people who represent them, they allowed many to go unchallenged and those people went on to prop up a government run by and representing a minority ideology.
We're part of it. It's our country and the majority decided to take America down this path.
We are "we" because we are part of this society.
I didn't vote for it. I know, very clearly, what direction we're headed in. Anyone that didn't just float through their history classes with barely passing grades should know. But I still accept that I'm part of it. WE are a very stupid society.
Indeed, we need the 1974 Dodge Monaco..."It's got a cop motor, a 440-cubic-inch plant. It's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas."
Do a march on the same route an hour after they finish and say "We are better than them and don't hate you" do it un masked and see how many people join you.
No, but there's the "fighting words" doctrine. Depending on the level of targeting of the hate speech, it may not he protected. Let's use Mike Pence as an example because it was a whole thing 4 years ago.
Saying "Hang Mike Pence" to the air is probably protected. Whereas going to Mike Pence and saying "I'm going to hang you" isn't.
The weird greyness is that telling someone to hang Mike Pence can also be a crime (e.g. conspiracy to commit murder or disturbing the peace), so the details and context matter.
Basically, if it's a threat with teeth, it may not be protected. Being offensive is legal. Inciting a riot or threatening or provoking someone into attacking first is not.
Things aren't getting better in America anytime soon. Even if the "pendulum swings". Pendulum doesn't matter in a society full of fools and racists. There is no magical reset button every 4-8 years for mistakes of the magnitude we just made as a society.
Pardon them for what? Unless their possessing firearms wasn't in line with the law, or that "physical altercation" mentioned that questioning apparently went nowhere reemerges as a thing then I don't know what they'd need pardoned for based on the article.
The marching with Nazi shit and spewing whatever hateful bullshit is protected speech, because speech protections in the US are extremely broad.
And that's before getting into whether or not the hypothetical crime is federal (which he could hypothetically pardon) or state (which he can't).
Yeah, I was in a rush when writing that, and should have been more thorough in explaining what I meant.
I meant that's their mentality: these idiots will become increasingly emboldened as Trump takes over, and make the assumption that they can do anything they want because Trump & the Republicans have taken over the Justice system and will allow them to do whatever they want to the "evil libs." There will be no hate crimes prosecuted (unless against white and/or prominent right-wingers) - at least not on a federal level, but these idiots often don't really understand that difference (and TBF there effectively may not BE a difference in red states).
I think it's incorrect to link all the January 6th protestors with actual Neo-Nazis and that sort of hyperbole was part of the reason Democrats were out of touch with how regular people felt. Neo-Nazis are partly increasing because of the memification of racism, giving racism a more viral quality, combined with how fast society is changing and people incorrectly making sense of it through racism.
You mean it doesn't make them look badass to be carrying intentionally edgelord versions of a swastika flag while wearing matching skull balaclavas in front of the shake shack?
Sure, because there was no warning of this crap display of cowardice (masks), & everyone just happens to carry cans of paint around to do such a thing. 🙄
These things are going to keep happening. Go buy paint now and pour it into some wide mouth plastic bottles. If you want to stop facsim, you have to plan to do antifa work, just like any work
Israel isn’t representative of Jewish people. It uses jewish people as a shield from criticism. Israel is a pro-US colonialist project before it’s jewish. This is like saying that people hate leftists but they voted for the national socialist german worker’s party
It isn't colonialist. It is a place we can force-project our military from in a valuable and very anti-west part of the world. If our military didn't need it, we wouldn't even be near the place.
These ding-a-lings have been supporting Israel (cynically) for a long time. First of all, they hate Muslims even more as a general rule, and for their silly fantasy that involves Yeshua flying back on a cloud, they think the Jews need to occupy Israel. This is why we have xtian zionists.
It always makes me laugh. These people are pro Israel for its government, which is right wing, but they hate Jewish people lol. That's why you have the MGTs of the world talking about Jewish space lasers and Jews run Hollywood and Jews run the media.
Most Jews are not israeli and israel is not representative of Judaism, but israel does claim Judaism as a core part of its "national" identity, so there's nothing antisemitic about pointing out the irony of Nazis supporting israel. The irony may be pretty superficial tho, some of the other replies here point out several reasons why Nazism and Zionism/israel are actually aligned.
The fact this is literally the 2nd story this week of Nazi shitheads openly waving their flags around is a good indicator it's not going to take nearly that long.
I wonder what the amount of Trump gear vs Nazi flags was. It's also very ironic how when Nazi's march in the streets without a permit the cops just block off the street with their cars and perform crowd control to "help protect the city" (the Nazis). And when people of color march without a permit because cops killed another person over something stupid they get met with riot gear, tear gas, and rubber bullets.
It's going to get so much worse before it gets better ...
Outside of us causing a nuclear war, it will eventually get better. Every empire eventually falls, it's just a question of, do we take Mother Earth with us?
I won't believe this story has a happy ending until they're in prison. Because I have a feeling they're about to get a huge amount of help from the incoming administration.
Police are investigating...sure I bet a few officers were in the march. Yes because Trump going allow nazi the only right to free speech. When fhe protest begin Trump will send in the troops to put them down.
Don’t worry, he’ll get pushback on that statement and then declare Ohio the fifth reich. He always takes the right stance first then manages to flip flop to worse than he was asked to
The next time they'll get the right police on shift first so they won't be arrested for attacking people. Then no one speaks up the third time because no one is there to protect us and we've arrived at totally fucked.
Under what laws was it acceptable to beat people until shit comes out of them? It sounds like you just want an excuse to become violent whenever you feel justified.
Appeasement is a terrible idea when we're talking about Nazis, it has never worked and will never work. I don't get why people are so ignorant about history. I guess you're not part of a minority that would get brutalized or murdered under their rule? Otherwise you probably wouldn't attempt to play nice with literal Nazis.
It's really irritating to watch this shit unfold as a German. You guys are basically begging fascists to take over at this point.
The laws of engagement in WW2? I remember they were apparently building concentration camps and rounding up and murdering the Jews, the gays, the gypsies, the anarchists, the communists, the Slavs, the mentally disabled, allied prisoners of war etc etc. I think right about then the law was ok with fucking-up Nazis… but I’m not an historian so best to double check this comment.
It's like that time my old high school had a school shooting and some elected official was all like "no one could have predicted this" and I was like "my brother in Christ, I went to that high school. If no one predicted a mass shooter event then why the fuck weren't we allowed long coats or backpacks? Why the metal detectors? Was it all for shits and giggles?"
Anyways, elected officials lie and it's very upsetting to people that expect literal truth. Maybe it's comforting to some?
It should be legal to just round up a bunch of people and beat the absolute piss out of these guys. Just a savage beating to within an inch of their lives, as a warning to anybody who thinks this shit is okay or cool.
Hell, why not take a car and just plow through it? Those fuckers are flagbearing an ideology that developed mass murder on an industrial scale. Let them feel a tiny bit of that on themselves.
My sister and I are in Columbus for a concert and we were in a store right across the street from this happening. Shook us up pretty good. I have never seen something like that before.
Nothing. I was a little busy calming my sister down who basically broke down crying in the middle of the store. And even if she was calm, I would have stayed in the store where it was safe. Those men weren’t exactly there to make friends.
This is what I love about these guys .... they know full well that this is wrong, this is unacceptable and that the majority of people don't support them .... which is why they wear a mask to hide themselves. They are brazen enough to step out in public to display what they want but they are cowardly enough to not want to be identified.
It's horrible and racist but at least there is free speech. It's too bad we can't have free speech without this sort of thing. Perhaps one day people will become kinder and less racist. It scares me but the alternative of no free speech scares me more.
... that said I think there's a huge difference between suggesting that this kind of thing be made illegal, and criticizing people with power and influence (including politicians) for actively encouraging it and benefiting from it
I mean this is less of a free speech issue and more of a lack of information and education issue coupled with foreign disinformation campaigns. And specifically for America, also a societal isolation issue. Americans outside downtown rarely get any human contact and it shows, as trust between neighbors deteriorates. This sort of stuff is far less prevalent in countries that put more value in education and building communities.
Do you realise that other developed countries have free speech too but no nazis on the street? We might no have in our brainwash hymn how free and brave we are, but we are.