Beats the alternative.
My life didn’t start until my 40s and so I’m really grateful to have the opportunity to discover myself and do the things that I want to do and not be tied down to the needs of others. It feels amazing.
I do want to add, I never wanted kids or get married. My childhood dream was to connect to my inner compass, be authentic and express myself freely. I am grateful to be able to actualize this.
were you incarcerated
Internally. Yes.
When I'm out and about and I see parents dragging their whiny kids around, I'm filled with such relief I have peace and quiet in my life.
Turn 40 in about a month and let me tell you, it's dope AF. I've got more friends than I know what to do with, having way more fun than in my 20s and I'm not tied down to raising a kid. I go to cons and adventures all the time that I couldn't do nor afford if I had kids. Having kids always grossed me out. I've got friends with kids that I can corrupt as needed.
Married, happy, and doing financially ok (house paid off but no real savings). Life would have been a lot harder with kids.
50F who never wanted kids.
I am lonely at times, but so are many others who have children. Most with grown children are more lonely than I am because they lose a deep connection that became central to their very being as their children grow and part. That is true even for people with good relationships with their grown children and increases with age pretty consistently in America.
There are opportunity costs regardless of how you spend your effort in this life. Parents spend most of their effort in the care and raising of another human. Even if they do a poor job of it, parenting at its bare minimum takes a lot of effort. I spent my efforts on education, work, hobbies and friends. I have money, independence and a deep love for learning. They have companionship, support systems and share a deep love with their children.
I have a lot of nieces and nephews, and they now have their own children. I love them and show up when I am needed. They do the same for me. But it is at a distance. I have never been that interested in hanging out with them and doing family things. I do attend some family events. I bring a fun energy when I do attend stuff. But I miss more than I attend and I am good with that.
Overall, I think I made the right choice and I feel pretty good about it.
Wanted kids, got married and careered at the right time to fund kids, then wife had a major mental breakdown after funking out of college, developed schizophrenia, and now has the mentality of a kid. Some days a toddler, some days a high schooler. I've been the only household income since marriage year 2, and I can't afford to deal with a pregnancy from that mental state or be basically a single parent afterward.
I'm considering adoption of teens after I retire and the assumed passing of my wife as she has a small pile of other health issues at this point slowly eating away at her.
Giles?
Your positive energy supported her, and what goes around comes around.
You're correct. I didn't mean that 40 was itself too old, only that there is a certain point at which they'll be too old for biological kids. No one is ever too old to find a new relationship though.
I am approaching 40, and I still don't want any, but i am deeply lonely and depressed as friendships are fading out of my life due to their children and my constant movement and disinterest.
i have no plan for the end of my life. since I won't be able to do much at that time anyway, I'm not sure that it matters. I'm willing to suffer through it and possibly kill myself if it means that im able to live my best years with the most freedom.
I’m hoping that assisted suicide will be a thing, but I have come up with a contingency plan if it’s not. The worst thing I can imagine is being stuck in a nursing home and not knowing what’s going on or be unable to do things for myself.
Not sure where you are but some US states already have laws in place for "death with dignity." And of course some European countries too.
agreed. confusion and dementia would be my worst hell. i would need to get things in order before i lose control, if it lookes like things would go that way. i have no intention of living like that on purpose.
I relate to this 100%
Mid-40s: it feels fine. It both complicates and un-complicates various things for later in life, but that's life.
I do like kids, but never wanted my own (at least biologically; I never fully ruled out adoption). We have nieces and nephews we can spoil instead of our own, heh.
Every member of my lineage: "I will never do to my kids what my parents did to me" before doing exactly that.
Me: "I will never do to my kids what my parents did to me" fucking aced it
How old are you?
40
Meh depression is killing it, but I don't think I'd be a good parent. I would probably be just fine but would rather help someone already here. Who knows.
Did I write this
Or has ups and downs.
I always wanted kids. So it's a constant source of regret and emptyness.
On the other hand, life is cheaper. I can do what I want when I want. I'm not wrapped in worrying about my kids all the time.
Been trying for 6 years. Not desperately, but it would be nice. Thinking about getting chickens.
If you’re doing it for companionship, get male chicks so they don’t put them in the macerator.
Something that only occurred to me just now is that when I was in my 20s and early 30s and still assumed I'd have children (despite that looming self imposed pressure feeling exactly like dread), the parent-child relationship I had imagined in my head was set in the past.
I grew up in the 90s and early 00s. I'm an elder millennial. I think my gen was very lucky in that we got to see and enjoy the rapid emergence of technology before today's capitalistic enshittification but our interpersonal dynamics and everything we did didn't rely on it either. So the 'come home when it gets dark' or 'I'll meet you at 4 at the cinema' mentality was still strong. No social media or inability to switch off the connection to other people.
We also didn't have the existential crises that come with thinking about climate change, the death of truth and the rise of misinformation, and the next pandemic.
So when I was picturing raising a child it was in a dated context that for the most part doesn't exist anymore. Yes there's exceptions to everything - I'm speaking in a very general sense - but I cannot imagine myself growing up in today's world. I had a hard enough time back then, with similar struggles most kids have. How the fuck would I help my own child navigate it???
No thanks.
I'm 38, wife is 40, absolutely heartbreaking. We've been trying for 5 years, went to the NHS for IVF, but because of the pandemic we "aged out" of multiple rounds. The one go we had didn't result in pregnancy, and if we can't conceive with as many rounds as we can afford private were planning to adopt. Which is pretty difficult in the UK actually.
My wife and I are 30 and we're just doing out first round of IVF now. It's bloody expensive in Australia we can't really afford many rounds so it's going to be interesting. Spending house savings on having a child was never something I thought we would be doing
Good luck to you. Try the adoption/foster-child road, bur don't give up. My wife's cousin tried for more than 5 years, went through several ivfs and some kind of procedure, but was considered barren at the end. But for whatever reason it then suddenly worked and they have 3 children now (they only wanted 2, but I guess they prayed too hard or something).
Off topic but you should check out a show called “Trying”. It’s quite touching
We watched a bit, it was good, but hit to close to home for the Mrs.
Honestly? Kinda lonely. I'll be 40 in a few months. I'm a woman, if the perspective matters .
I was engaged to the man I thought I'd marry and have kids with, but it didn't turn out to be the case, and although I learned how to choose better and what to look out for, I also wonder if I'm ever going to get to have a family of my own. It's been 6 years now since that fell apart, and I had to do a lot in that time to get back onto my feet, but the few relationships I've had since then are fleeting. Men seem afraid of commitment now, and it's hard not to completely fall to the idea that I'm just too old, which is what society is consistently screaming at me.
I don't feel old.
I am tired of searching though. At some point I will get to where I'm too old and that makes me sad to think about.
Like Freedom. I love my niece and nephew and enjoy spending time with them. But if I had to feed, clothe, clean up after, provide for, and entertain them 24 hours a day (not even considering when they were babies!)... I literally cannot imagine it.
Erm… normal I guess. I don’t know what it would feel like with children.
What I do know is I would be a terrible parent, I only got my shit together in my late thirties and I wouldn’t have been a good parent, so it’s good for the kids that I didn’t have any.
Best decision my (now ex) wife and I ever made. Not because we are divorced now. But because
a) I'm free to live my own life. and
b) Even back when kids was an option, she and I both kind of saw the world that was coming and decided that we didn't want to subject our children or grandchildren to the world that was turning to shit.
Looking around today, I feel absolutely vindicated for taking that stance back in the early 2000's when I was married.
Pardon my French but it feels fucking awesome. I've been able to travel the world. I have developed hobbies that I wouldn't be able to do so with kids. I have saved a lot of money and I have been able to advance my career.
As for passing my knowledge/experience, I volunteer at various charities where I can influence young minds. I don't believe that passing on genes down the line is the best I can do. The best I can do is to help young people achieve their goals.
Now, to address few some clichés. On my deathbed I will get the glass of water from a highly paid nurse. The "warm bed" is not the issue for me. When I go I will leave my possessions to a charity of my choice.
It feels amazing.
I wake up to a quiet, clean house every day.
Not to that age yet, but I feel slightly envious of families that I see at downhill mountain bike parks or camping or sledding. I want to have a family just like that someday :)
They told me I'd change my mind about not wanting kids when I got older. I'm still waiting for it to change.
I’ve gone from worrying what would have happened in my children’s lifetime to worrying what will happen within my lifetime so I’m good.
How much of lifetime do you think you have left?
That sounds like a trick question.
I have a lot of kids so I can't answer that question
but reddit asked it 2 days ago, word for word https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1gdm2wj/people_in_their_40s_and_50s_with_no_children_how/
I just think it's interesting to look at the difference in the user replies
Happy I didn't fuck up my life and the lives of my progeny by birthing them.
Sad and empty. I love kids. I had fertility treatments for years, but that did not work out. I will start IVF again in a couple of days. Hopefully it will work this time. It is one of my last chances.
I would like to adopt or have foster kids. However, I suffer from PTSD and in my country it is very difficult to adopt or foster if you have a background with mental illness. Even though my psychologist and the people in my environment all say that they think I would be able to do it and my partner does not have any mental illness, my chances are very low.
To be honest, looking any further than the next IVF makes me panic. I do not know how to live with not having kids and how to deal with that. I had a lot of bad stuff happen to me. Having children would be something I believe would have made me very happy. It feels like I failed at life. However, I just turned 40, so I know I need to give up at some point.
Don't give up on it! But don't stake your lives success on it.
Me and my wife are not going to have children (she's about ten years older then you are, we had a miscarriage and left it at that) but we have it great together.
I know it's too deaf ears atm and I really hope you'll get your wish, but please don't wager your personal happiness on it, that's disrespectful of yourself.
Thank you for the kind message. It is good to hear that it is possible to have it great even after a miscarriage. I have had two miscarriages and two biochemical pregnancies. I did not really have time tomprocess this yet, as I had to continue treatment as my fertility is further declining due to my age. I think that might be part of the emotions as well.
It is difficult for me to not wager my personal happiness on it. I have a small nephew and when I take care of him, it just makes me very happy. It makes me feel like I would be as happy or even happier with my own child. Also, I was abused as a child and I feel that I did not have parents that really loved me. It feel unfair that I am not able to experience the mother/child bond from the perspectives of a child as well as that of a motger.
I also tried to take care of my younger siblings when I was a child. I was able to provide them with some of the emotional support my parents failed to provide, but because I was too young myself I always felt like I was not able to give them what they need. I am an adult now and I feel like I am capable now of providing children with a safe and warm environment. And I feel like I have all this love to give, but there is no child to give it to. I do not know where to put it.
I don't know. Having a child will not fix all of this and a child does not exist to fix this or to make me happy. However, it could have been an area of my life that could have been beautiful and where I might have been able to give something and be valuable. And instead, this also does not work out and is another thing that goes on the pile of things that have failed in my life.
I agree that staking my life's success on it is not a good idea. But I am not sure what else I have left. I am trying to become a writer and I am writing down all my experiences from my youth and with my sister who passed away and my fertility treatments, and so on. Maybe it can help some people who experience the same things. I think that might be fulfilling maybe and a way to create something positive out of the things that feel negative now.
Mixed, but mostly okay.
Pros: The world is massively overpopulated already. Our genes aren't particularly noteworthy. I'm not very optimistic about the future. People's happiness generally seems a lot less than it was when I was younger and I don't see that changing.
Cons: Not being able to pass anything on - my knowledge and experience, ironically much of which was gained through having time that would have been unavailable if I had had kids. As we both get older, our own care is concerning. Doing physical things around our smallholding is getting harder and a pair of young hands would be nice.
I don't begrudge other people having kids. We tried once but lost it and that kind of took the excitement out of it for us. Before we knew it, it was too late anyway.
You could look into some kind of work experience program or even troubled youth programs operating in your area that might be able to make use of your knowledge and your property?
We don't need kids to pass on what we know to the young :)
Not being able to pass anything on - my knowledge and experience
I know this may sound like satire but you can write a blog and share your knowledge and experiences. It may seem weird at first, but it's an actual option, and people could organically come across your blog, especially if you use the right keywords that they're looking for.
I sort of see the appeal of having kids, but I can barely keep things together for myself. There's no way I can support myself and kids. Even with my boyfriends income and mine, it's just not realistic.
This is the key behind the fertility crisis of first world countries. SHITS TOO EXPENSIVE. A house is 10 years worth of income, college like 3 years worth, a car (which needs to be replaced every 5-10 years) around a years worth, plus food, bills, taxes and all of this other shit makes it impossible.
Yearly childcare is a years worth of income in plenty of places, so there's that too.
It's awesome. Sure, I have moments in life that suck regardless, but in those moments I always think to myself "Wow, this would be even worse if I had kids."
In my mid 30's. Find myself thinking the same. Also when I'm feeling great it's "there's no way i could be enjoying this if i had to worry about kids"
Yup, exactly. It just seems like there's no time to relax when you have kids, you always have to be "on".
I used to take a bus home from work, and a woman that lived in my apartment took the same bus, so we always ended up walking into the building together. I'll never forget that EVERY time when she opened her apartment door, you could hear two little kids yell "MOMMY!" the second that door was opened. Maybe some people love that, but to me it always filled me with a sense of dread and exhaustion. Here was this woman who just spent a full day at work and now she has to come home and essentially start her second job of being with her kids, who of course want all her attention. I felt horrible for her, and it wasn't like she was skipping home all happy to see them, either.
I'm not good around kids, so I made a decision to be without children pretty early on. So, to answer your question, I guess it feels... normal? It's hard to describe in more detail, because I don't have a reference to compare it to.
That said, I've seen what kind of struggles - emotional, financial or otherwise - my kid-having friends and family have been going through and I would be a liar if I said I never thought "I'm glad I don't have to go through this shit" more than on one occasion.
I'm glad I don't have to go through this shit
I've thought that so many times seeing people's children around me.
Pretty great. I have money and free time.
Just turned 50. Was childless by choice. But I Got custody of my 12 year old niece two years ago. (Very small family and There was no one else to take her.). I love her but I do miss my adult freedom.
My condolences on losing your sibling. Wonderful of you to take her in.
It’s good. Don’t have to worry about paying for any of it.
Elementary school
Middle school
High school
College
Helping out after they finish college and haven’t found a job
All the stuff during the summer
Not having to hear “ but why?!” Every ten seconds
Not having to worry about how they’ll survive in this fucked up world.
Shout out to [email protected]
Edit: k, idk why you downvoted me, was trying to show you another sub with an audience directly for this question that you may want to also ask, but k go ahead and downvote me OP.
Didn’t downvote you but it’s probably bc Reddit’s original childfree subreddit is a special kind of toxic hellhole; even for Reddit… which is saying something.
Most of Reddit was a toxic hellhole. It's why I'm not on Reddit anymore.
This one is relatively as well.
Your link doesn't link to the community on my instance, it links to the original instance, so that's a bit annoying. Maybe that's why?
I wanted kids when I was younger, but wasn't ready to give up my freedom. Once I was ready for kids the world (and the future in particular) looks so bleak that it doesn't seem fair to the theoretical kiddo to say 'hey, here's a dumpster fire - good luck'. Instead I babysit for my friends and family, spoil the kids around me, and sleep in on the weekend. I also have more time for activism and trying to ensure a brighter future for kiddos.
No regrets.
This is amazing!
Great, for me. For others, I imagine it will depend on factors such as having a compatible partner in agreement.
Great!
It sucks. I don’t have children because I’m barely functional. Can barely keep a roof over my own head, let alone maintain a romantic relationship.
I’ve wanted kids for a long time, but the only relationship that showed promise of that ended with a bunch of cheating and abuse. I eventually realized even if I was willing to put up with it, I couldn’t subject my kids to having her as a mother.
So I’m going on 42 and don’t know if I’m gonna make it.
Keep it going. There are genuinely nice people out there to have a relationship with. I only encountered my wife at a later age (she was turning 50) and she had a miscarriage, so kids are not going to happen for us (and we're fine with that).
But you can meet new people, even at your age. I never had any meaningful relationship either before I met her.
No ragrets.
no rugrats
Honestly it kind of sucks.
I always wanted a kid but it requires a partner who is able to be a parent and I have never had such a partner.
I had a pretty fucked up childhood and I wanted someone who could be a good mother to a child and everyone I've dated who had the ability to be a good mother was not capable of giving birth for one reason or another and everyone I've dated who's capable of giving birth was not capable of being a good mother for one reason or another.
I know it's not too late for me but it's getting pretty damn close.
Adoption could be an alternative maybe
I love it but even in high school, I knew I didn’t want kids. People told me seeing my friends have kids would cause me to change my mind but it only reinforced my preference. Having kids is a huge amount of work and commitment (not to mention the expense). I love to travel and I’ve been able to go to places and do things you can’t (or just wouldn’t want to) do with kids. I also like that I was able to take risks with my career. It’s much easier to start a business or join an early stage company or whatever if you don’t need the stability kids need.
So, for me, it’s amazing. I feel for people who want kids but never had them, though. I know a few and they’re happy — freedom is a nice consolation prize — but it wasn’t their dream.
Seriously like the most obvious fucking life hack.
Also, it's generally super weird how everyone tries really hard to convince you that you are wrong about it. Like I could take all of the collective time people have spent trying to give me unsolicited input on some other random topic, and it wouldn't even add up to a tenth of the time I've spent on the "why don't you want kids?" Conversation. I'm sorry but that's sus as fuck. Like some actual brain slug shit.
I have a kid. I love my kid. There's also a looooooooot more sacrifice involved than I was expecting.
Not so much the money, but time and effort. Today I wanted to leave the park and go the grocery store for ONE thing before dinner. Cue negotiations to leave the park. 10mons to walk 100 yards. Issues around refusing to use the toilet before we go (young kid and car rides). Not wanting to get out of the car at the store. I could go on. Everything is just a whole fucking ordeal. Pre kid I would have got in my car, gotten the item and come home. 15mins tops. This took 1.5hrs.
I love my kid. I'm glad we had a kid. But I do not see everyone being suited to being a parent. And no one should be forced or pressured to be one.
That's my personal opinion though.
As a parent, I couldn't give two shits if you don't have kids. Not gonna convince you. It's your story not mine.
You're also not going to convince me I made a poor decision.
it’s generally super weird how everyone tries really hard to convince you that you are wrong about it
My theory is that (volontary) childless people are less predictable to others. If you only have to take care of yourself, you need less resources (read: money) for that. An employer that knows his employee has children to care for can be treated worse in terms of working conditions and salary/ wages, because the employer knows that this employee can't afford to quit the job, because of the responsibility for the child(ren).
If an emloyee is known to have no children, it makes him unpredictable. He could get up after a good yelling at the workplace, say "fuck it" and leave. He only has to take care for himself. Also, that employee can accumulate more money since it has not to be spent on the needs of children. That means, the employee has a bigger and longer lasting financial cushion.
Something similar applies when credits/ loans have to be paid. Having debt is a considered a "good" thing, since people are less prone to quit their jobs. On a personal level, the goal should be to become debt free as soon as possible. Not only it will result in financial freedom, it will also enhance your "fuck-it-ablilty".
Another theory for those convincing people is that they envy your lifestyle of tranquility and spontaneousness. These people have been bullied into having children by their peer groups, because "that is the thing to do", and "you owe grandchildren". There are so many parents out there who would be better off if they never had children, but their relatives had convinced them otherwise.
I agree but not on the debt free part. Mortgage loan at 1,45%, savings rate at 2,4 %: I'll not try to get out of that debt sooner than planned, thank you very much :')
For some people, having children is their only life accomplishment, so they perceive other people's choices as an "attack" on their sense of identity, which makes it feel personal, to them.
I'm in way over my head as it is. I can't even imagine what it would be like having to be responsible for some gremlins, as well. We do not even dare get a cat (or two - you should always get two so they're not lonely) for the same reason. Good thing my SO sees it exactly the same way. We're both glad we didn't have children.
Good, made a decision decades ago to have a vasectomy as there are way to many people in the world and misquoting Thoreau, what use a kid if no livable planet to raise them on ?
I always felt if the need to be a parent overwhelmed, I could adopt any number of abandoned kids.
I like kids but I'd fell way to guilty about having any. Not having them also let me retire at 35 and pursue my own interests, I'm now 58.
Feels like the best decision I ever made.
I wish we had. I'm regretting it more as I get older.
What's the source of the regret? I just turned 30, and am still undecided.
Never too late to adopt! I know a couple in their 50s/60s who adopted and are loving it
Amazing. I'm not willing to exercise the permanent sacrifices that having kids entails.
No regrets
Fine. Sometimes sad. I dated someone with a kid for a while and the good parts were good. But now I'm old so it's kind of moot.
Joyful, peaceful, content, fulfilled, educated, energetic, with a diverse set of wonderful friends, and a fun, flexible lifestyle. I retired early and wake up every day (whenever I feel like waking up) in a place I love. I laugh a lot and have a close “chosen family” who always has each other’s back. I wouldn’t trade it for the world.
I read your first sentence and after reading it I thought to myself this person sounds like they are wealthy.
Then read your second sentence which indicates you are wealthy.
I suspect that with children you would be happy also, if you are wealthy. Money really does make a difference.
But who can say?
Anyway, it sounds like things are good for you, so that's great.
I was not born into wealth, and put myself through college on scholarships. The only reason I’m “wealthy” is because I’ve lived very frugally (and still do), and chose not to have kids. I’m not denying that I’ve had some advantages, and certainly those born into the current economy have it tougher, but overall I’ve eaten a hell of a lot of lentils, don’t subscribe to any streaming services, am not much of a consumer, and enjoy the simple things in life. Obviously not an exhaustive list, but stuff like that. It’s not for everyone, but I’m deeply content and fulfilled.
I have a big chosen family, including people who feel like children, and even grandchildren. I don't believe that a blood relation would make that any richer an experience for me.
skipped the zombie apocalypse
Ask again in a decade and some. Me and my gf really do not want kids
Hopefully no different from life now.
You could really ask this question of anyone about anything. There will always be substantial differences between one person's life and another. Having had children doesn't necessarily denote that difference, even less so for men as some fathers don't stick around and instead go live their own lives seemingly uninterrupted.
But think of how many things people sink great amounts of time and effort into; gambling, becoming a practicing doctor, hedge fund trading, starting a charity, programming... Those people will probably all have large amounts of time devoted to those things.
Of course there'll be many things that don't compare, and some that do... Then you must also factor in that it's a trauma for some people. Some people end up not liking their children, kicking them out, disconnecting.
Human nature is hugely variable. What's it like being a good person? What's it like being rich? What's it like being homeless and a drug addict? What's ut like being happy? What's it like in prison? What's it like as mayor? Or psychiatrist? Or teacher?
What's it like not like doing any of the things mentioned here? Well, that question, your post, is really about you, isn't it? It's about you asking others "what would my life be if I didn't, or don't have kids?"
So, why are you asking?
Because it's not a bad thing to ask another person about their experiences in life. And putting it within the context of a particular life choice adds a layer of focus to the conversation.
Given your logic, no one should ever ask anyone else any question about their personal experiences other than to retrieve information.
putting it within the context of a particular life choice adds a layer of focus to the conversation.
It won't create a very interesting debate though, because OP already excluded most people who followed through on the opposing view in the question itself.
This extra layer of focus really functions as a filter, which can only result in a hall of mirrors.
It's perfectly fine if OP just wanted to confirm an existing bias and need arguments for that, but it's absolutely not a very interesting conversation.
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