After all, how far inland could a hurricane go?
After all, how far inland could a hurricane go?
Also that argument is dead on arrival because they expect you and businesses and the entire city to pack up and leave as if it would cost nothing. They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!
If anyone ever says “just move” you know they have zero concept of the word “community” or “moving costs” or “nuance”. They just don’t want to address the cause of the problem because they’re, at best, cowards.
They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!
You have to sell the story that the area is a conservative utopia where people can live free of wokeness.
Then the conservative refugees from the satanic, communist areas will flock to you to buy your land.
If its our area (Flordia coast)... that's not a problem.
Buyers don't care. They don't know squat about flooding or hurricanes, they just come in from out of state and get dazzled by the realtor and the weather and everything and buy.
Our housing market was so crazy houses were being auctioned left and right. Market value just keeps going up, even on the coast.
TL;DR if the area is superficially attractive enough, home buyers are idiots. I realize this is probably not the case in Georgia mountains, but it his here, and its enabling a vicious cycle where builders keep building homes in obvious flood zones, where they absolutely shouldn't.
That doesn't fix the problem, it just changes who has the problem. Though I'll admit that idiots buying bad stuff from other idiots in a cycle until eventually one idiot gets their life totally ruined feels a little on the nose.
Not exactly. My coworker has been trying to sell his waterfront home for over a year. He keeps having to rehab it after flooding from storms and then right back on the market. No luck. Starting October 13th or something you have to start disclosing floods when selling, also.
I was talking to some friends last weekend, and one of them said that they had previously owned a house on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. I said, "I love the Outer Banks, love visiting it, but I would never buy real estate there." He said, "Yeah, it took a couple years for us to figure that out."
Of course, the islands are basically giant sandbars, and there's the sea level rise issue. But I hadn't considered that the environment is just that much harder on houses - roofs need to be replaced more often, wood rots more quickly, and so on - and that's not even including a hurricane coming through. When the kind kicks up, which happens pretty regularly there, the house is getting sandblasted. The maintenance costs are much higher compared to an inland house, and I assume insurance is much higher, and so on.
They rented it out to vacationers to help offset that cost, but they found that they weren't breaking even - they have to charge competitive rates to get customers, but those rates weren't covering all of the major upcoming expenses.
But, there's still a market for houses there. I imagine the recent images in the news of houses collapsing into the water have to be having an effect, but the bottom doesn't seem to be falling out like you'd think.
Broad brushes don’t work. I moved out of country in my early twenties. Moved back home in my mid twenties, then proceeded to move to three different coasts over the course of the next decade, selling two homes and most belongings in the process before ultimately moving to an inland city that’s a fourteen hour drive from where I grew up and knew nobody (I’ve been here nearly twenty years now). If the area goes to hell then yeah, I’ll scope out job options and quality of life in other locations, sell my house and unnecessary belongings, and move my boys and I. It isn’t nearly as difficult as people flap about. Staying somewhere until theirs no longer a buyers market is short sighted similar to people refusing to leave Biloxi when it was certain to be destroyed (one of the places I moved out of) and folks deserve what they get if they refuse to leave. I’d love for us to fix the climate and socioeconomic issues so difficult decisions didn’t need to be made but people burying their heads in the sand and refusing to look out for themselves and their family in response to global and societal issues will never make sense to me. Control what you can control but recognize what you don’t control and adapt. If folks aren’t going to take responsibility for the things they can control I don’t see any reason to fret about the things outside of their control negatively impacting them.
Most people seem to have a particular brand of irresponsibility wherein they avoid their own problems by distracting themselves with those of others. It can work out semi-okay even, under some conditions like a spouse caring for someone who also cares for them in return, though ofc it's not ideal in the sense of not taking care of yourself. But very little in life is ever fully "ideal" so... I'm saying that at least this form of mental unhealth isn't as damaging as e.g. doing drugs can be.
And it can be predated upon by the unscrupulous. Which technology allows to happen quicker, and with greater reach (breadth of those affected) and depth (if everyone around you believes in something, then surely it couldn't be "false" now could it?) than was ever possible before, even with organized religion (e.g. Catholics seem to listen more to Faux News than to the literal Pope).
i.e., listening to those "in charge" is actually a good thing, and democracy is also a good thing (if implemented well), but listening to idiots who inflame tensions subverts those good processes, and converts the outcomes to very bad ones. This is why I fear that democracy itself might be about to fail, at least as practiced in the USA - not just bc Trump said that people would only have to vote for him once more and then they'd never need to vote ever again, but bc regardless of whether he wins, there is a huge segment of the population (something like 42%, although due to the Electoral College manages to control the entire outcome) that is pushing for that, and will continue to do so on the next ballot, and the one after that, etc. Plus digs their heels in every time they lose to control outcomes either way - e.g. the government shutdowns holding the budgets hostage.
So I am glad that you are responsible, and quite frankly even the idiots are trying to be, as they vote how they do bc their self-chosen leaders told them to, but we all have blind spots, some far more than others.
I mean, you're the one who bought it currently, just find an equal or dumber person like yourself, bam. Simple. At its core, this is basically how all products are sold.
You’ve completely missed the point about community, eh? And you know people don’t get to pick where they’re born or where their extended family lives, right? So they get born into these places and get locked down for whatever reason and can’t leave. Certainly they can’t all leave in one perfect unit all at the same time.
Also that’s not how all products are sold, holy shit. Maybe certain drop shippers, sure, but that’s not how it works.
That’s funny and I’m sure you know this but for purposes of discussion -
Think about a couple common examples:
I would pay like a thousand dollars not to wash clothes by hand for a few years.
You see washing machines are like $500-$1000, you buy, you’re happy.
I’d pay five bucks to have a sweet dark tasting liquid in my mouth and not be as tired.
Cha-ching, Starbucks makes a sale.
So even rational consumers often make purchases when their expected utility/satisfaction exceeds the monetary cost.
Ben Shapiro is never going to get rid of hus beach house, is he?
At its core, this is basically how all products are sold.
Imagine being so neck deep in the scam economy that you don't even remember that products that aren't scams exist.
To greedy investors, that's who.
We’re rapidly hitting a point where the government is going to have to buy their house to get people to leave florida thanks to climate change.
Insurers won’t even insure houses there anymore.
The problem is a town was built where there should not be one. Flood plains WILL flood. Rebuilding is pointless. It will just be destroyed again. At some point we have to cut our losses.
On top of what the other person said people still need to live in those places. It is actually crazy to say that the entire south-eastern seaboard of the United States should just be permanently evacuated wholesale. We could slow, or even stop, a lot of this by just admitting that climate change is real and doing something about it and it would be a helluva lot cheaper than turning several states in ghost towns.
Plus, who are you supposed to sell your house to? Fucking aquaman?
To the people pushing hlthis narrative that want to buy houses in a vacation destination cheap then rent them for $600/night.
That's a great joke I've heard before, but forgot who wrote it
Hbomberguy, in response to Ben Shapiro talking about coastal flooding in this vid (yeah yeah youtube sucks, it's where he posts) https://youtu.be/RLqXkYrdmjY?si=4NqX0czakOD5XOxs
Guys let's train beavers to build damns!
You know what, now I want a timberborn rising tide dlc.
"Who am I supposed to sell my house in Florida to!??!!?!??"
Conservatives. It's a victimless crime. Come on guys.
FUCKING AQUAMAN?!?!
No, Shazam. Aquaman is into too many environmental issues to be conservative.
Have you tried getting a good auctioneer?
Why don't people who have had their house burned to the ground in the wildfires just sell their homes and move? 🤪
To who the human torch?! Shit that joke doesn't work does it?
FUCKING TOPH FROM ATLA
He can't get a bank loan, nevermind a mortgage
It isn’t so much that the mountains flooded.
They’ve flooded before.
It’s how badly they’ve flooded. We may mot ge getting extra storms from climate change, but it certainly can make the existing storms worse.
IMO that’s what we’re seeing more of. From straight line winds being more damaging, to storm systems that might only have a couple tornados to now having a dozen.
Yup, also south Georgia historically gets missed by most hurricanes. Now that area has been hit by two in a matter of weeks. These are not coastal areas but 100+miles from the coast.
Yeah, everyone I was talking to about it was very confused why I was worried about a hurricane at my location.
But also we are getting extra storms? The average number of storms per season is up
That's kinda the same thing tho. The entire scale gets moved up, because there is more energy available in the atmosphere and water to form and power storms. So when all the storms get more powerful, you get more hurricanes, because in the past those would not have grown big enough to be classified as such. Small local storms can more easily grow to become larger, having a bigger impact. And wind patterns can change as well, so it's very complex and hard to predict. The one thing we know for sure: it's bad news.
They also aren't flood plains though. Which is where it's a problem. Anywhere can flood with enough rain. That doesn't mean the area is prone to flooding on a seasonal basis.
One would think that the political party of "bUtT thE bIbLE!!!111one" would pay attention to the part about, ya know, even mountains flooding.
Fun fact: there isn’t any state that is safe from climate change disasters no matter what party is in power. Also, NC has a democratic governor and half of its House members are democrats.
The GOP has a supermajority in the NC House. NC has a democratic governor, who is term limited, and a right wing lt. governor. Plus the GOP state legislature went ham with gerrymandering and redistricting before this upcoming election. So the republican hold on the state might deepen.
Some nice points but also NC voted for Trump in the last two presidential elections - and this despite having been a swing state prior to that?
So yeah, not as deep a red state as they could be, but they were still fairly influential in e.g. dropping out of the Paris Climate Accord, not merely individually as a state but in causing the entire United States of America to do so.
The best time to have done something was yesterday - or in this case, 8 years ago.
Though the second best time is now.
As a person that packed up and moved from Florida. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Leaving Florida was one of the more joyous occasions in my life. I moved somewhere with earthquakes and wildfires, but at least my daughters will have access to reproductive healthcare and if one of my kids turns out gay or trans they won't be under existential thread. Natural Florida I absolutely love, esp when it used to be weird (a la Carl Hiaasen) but christ almighty is it a failed state.
I felt this. One of my partners cars was hit with a bat because she had a pride sticker on it. Our partner was asked to resign as a math teacher because they're trans and respected students' pronouns. By the end of COVID I was concealed carrying just to go grocery shopping.
I miss Florida wildlife deeply. I was part of Florida trail association thought I was never going to leave but life throws curve balls it's up to you to figure out how to catch them.
I live in a river valley that tornadoes generally jump over. I also live on a hill much higher than the river will ever flood even in a catastrophic event like this.
And yet, back in June...
No tornado, just high-speed wind. And a lot of our neighbors got it worse than us. Trees through people's windows, branches on cars, some of the roads in our subdivision were completely blocked for a couple of days. Houses are still being repaired.
There is nowhere safe from climate change.
Had one of those in my area a few years ago. Just like 5 minutes (probably less) of a freak strong wind and the massive tree in my backyard fell, along with many others. I've never seen anything like it before. Well, I probably have, just at an intensity low enough that it was a non-event.
Yep. This couldn't have been more than 5-10 minutes.
Trees usually grow more wind resistant if they are exposed to more wind. This might just mean that your climate is also changing (quickly) or a unusually strong gust of wind came along. The particular tree also might have been sick.
Like I said, it was the entire neighborhood. In fact, the entire town.
https://wibqam.com/2024/06/26/photos-and-video-of-the-june-25-storm-and-damage-left-in-its-wake/
The SBA actually offered low-interest disaster loans to both residents and businesses because the damage was so bad.
Landslide mudslides on mountains are way more scary than floods. Floods you get a boat ok, landslides you're dead and buried.
Cleaning it is a bitc*.
Edit: wth, we have profanity filters here?
Profanity filters barely begins to scratch the surface of the heavy restrictions on lemmy.ml. The admins there are also well-known for banning people from not just communities but the entire instance if you criticize China, Russia, North Korea, etc., or certain leaders of such, or communist, etc. Imagine a Truth Social instance, except claiming to be leftist instead of right-wing - their way is the correct way and that's final, dissent not allowed.
As it result, it has developed into quite the echo chamber. Not that that matters much to you bc you can access most communities across the entire Fediverse from there, or vice versa.
What may matter to you though is that many people, myself included, have user blocks in place (and lemmy.cafe has even defederated from it entirely) that prevents us from getting notifications from people on that instance. Blocking the big three instances (hexbear.net, Lemmygrad.ml, and lemmy.ml) cuts out >99% of the toxic crap coming our way, at the expense of conversations with innocent people who merely were not aware of the history of that instance and its relation to the Fediverse at large. I also lose out on a few larger communities that way but for me at least I consider it well worth the cost. So if you ever feel isolated, like people from other instances are ignoring what you say... it may be due to this effect, i.e. we may literally not even be aware that you replied to us at all.
So now you know.
Lemmy.ml does. Lemmy.world does not. Come over to the dark side.
wth, we have profanity filters here?
Welcome to Lemmy.ML, where "bitch" and the n-word are equally profane, and the admins render both as removed so you never fully know what's going on. If you want to have a better time, find an instance that isn't run by tankies. I made the mistake of choosing ML as my first Lemmy instance, and I didn't realize how much better Lemmy is when you're not under their thumb until I left.
Find a new instance. lammy.ml is full of damaged personalities who think its their purpose is to control others thoughts. I finally just blocked them. Since what is seen there is invariably seen elsewhere they bring nothing new and definitely nothing positive to any discussion.
And if you are very, very lucky, it'll happen in that order.
The picture of an Appalachian main street buried in mud half up the doors really struck home for me. That's not just going to recede on its own. If you want the area back it all needs to be dug out, just the same as any earth moving project.
That is true. Flood creep in inch by inch and you get to run, landslide you need future sight.
The rivers in and around Asheville were rising a foot a minute in some places. Those waters also had cars, trucks, trailers and roofs in them.
Mud/landslides are awful, but so is flooding and it can happen a lot quicker then most people think. I'm very lucky to have escaped in time.
This is why I get angry that whenever I complain on Reddit about climate change because of massive heatwaves someone said "just emigrate north lmao". Neoliberals are deluded, we have to solve the problem, period.
Big "sell your house to aquaman" energy
"Solve" was 20 years ago. Now it's only "mitigate". But that's the difference between global catastrophe and literal breakdown of organized society.
No. Solve is solve. period. I want a solution.
We could solve global warming right now with intentional cloud seeding, but many are worried geoengineering could be too effective and freeze us. Or, if we solve the heating, it could give fossil fuels the wrong impression that they can keep pumping CO² into the air despite it still killing the oceans with carbonic acid.
They also fail to understand that there are 9 theorized planetary boundaries needed to support human life, and we've crossed at least 6 if not 7 of them. We need to not cross ANY. Moving north doesn't fix most of these PLANETARY boundaries
Ben Shapiro "sell your collapsing coastal house" energy.
North is their answer.. Ask them if Canada is north enough..
Where we had that Hell Dome^TM from June 25 to July 1, 2021 and 526 people died after it reached 50°c and didn't cool off at night-- making it "the deadliest weather event in Canada to date."
Or how about when it flooded so bad in the same place, 6 months later, that thousands of animals died, 20k people needed to be evacuated, and roads broke-- cutting off the Greater Vancouver Region from the rest of the Province.
North won't save anyone 😬
Most people take complaining as an opportunity to give advice. Moving to a less risk adverse area is good advice and probably the most any one person can achieve in terms of reducing their personal climate change related risks. If you don't want to get those kinds of answers you have to specify that you either dont actually want advice or that you specifically want advice that you personally can't do anything with.
I have a degree in postmortem science and hobby in anthropology/archeology/paleontology. The biggest extinction event this globe has ever seen, the Permian Extinction, where over 90% of ALL life (96% of ocean life) went extinct, was from pollution and a mere 10°C increase in global temperature. That's all it took to decimate life on earth. The pollution and heat came from volcanoes, but we are on the same path. It's already gone up 1.6°C... I do think humanity will survive, but not the majority of us.
Some of my family doesn't believe in climate change, and/or is religious to the point that they don't believe in carbon dating and core sample data. I wish I could make them believe, but no data in the world will work.
I was part of a documentary on the largest fires in recorded history and so many were within the last 10 years it was terrifying. One in the forests of Russia was still ongoing when the doco was finished and RELEASED!
I understand the term isn't always used in such a way, but there is something of irony to hear the term decimate (to kill 1 of every 10 people) to describe what you are saying that only 1 in every 10 survived.
Decimight
I'm in the Indianapolis area and just got off the phone with my home owners insurance company about damage to my roof. They are attributing it to Hurricane Helene.
The Appalachian mountains getting massive flooding all the time. The only places you can really build anything are along river valleys in the mountains, so they flood when big storms come through.
I used to live in the area and the "massive flooding all the time" is literally nothing compared to the amount of devastation in the area currently. Entire communities have literally been obliterated by landslides. Thousands of people are stranded because of damaged roads. Hundreds of thousands are still without power. In some isolated areas it is going to take weeks/months to rebuild infrastructure to even access the areas, let alone repair homes and return electricity.
I'm actually upset, because your comment is implying that this is a run-of-the-mill occurrence in the area. This is an unprecedented tragedy and the worst flooding the area has seen since 1916 (and this time it affects thousands more people because of growth in the region.)
I would disagree. I used to live in Rosman, NC, about an hour south of Asheville.
This is absolutely a precedented tragedy. It is run of the mill. That's because of climate change. Because of climate change, these 100 year floods are occurring once a decade. Yes, this is the biggest in those hundred years, but there are communities who are enormously affected by this regularly.
Calling it unprecedented plays into climate deniers hands. It wasn't normal. But it is becoming normal. It is precedented. We caused it. If it's unprecedented, people will ignore it as an oddity, an outlier. But people living there should expect this.
I'm not saying this isn't unprecedented, but flooding (not at this level) has always been a reality of life in Appalachia. I remember going to Kentucky to help out after flooding in 2007 or 2008.
Not like this. I've lived in a mountain valley that got big storms. Normal prep was one layer of sandbags around doors and other openings. Not trying to hold back 3 feet of mud.
The area I live in has flooded 3 times since it was first inhabited in in the 1780s. 1915, 2004, and Helene. Helene had about as much water as those previous two times combined.
"floods all the time" bite me
Not every town is gonna flood every year. But there are major floods across Appalachia every year because of the geography. It's always been a high flood rosk area, which was a major reason for the TVA back in the 30's. Electrify the area and control flooding. I'm not arguing against climate change. I'm just saying that "flooding in the mountains" isnt some Noah's arc type shit.
We got wind from the hurricane all the way in Chicago. I don't like what that could mean for us in another decade.
I do think people fixate on "Climate Change is going to make weather patterns way worse" while losing a bit of sight on "Our infrastructure has been collapsing for the last 50 years and neither states nor businesses want to spend money to shore it up".
These hurricanes are the big-ass straw that's breaking the ancient and rickety-knee'd camel's back. Even if we magically solved rising temperatures tomorrow, we'd still be dealing with the legacy of higher global temperatures for another century. And we'd still have infrastructure that's continuing to pass its expiration date under the most benign weather conditions.
But because of the way we do accounting and measure economic growth in this country, these storms only ever seem to be counted as "future possible risks to hedge against" rather than "guaranteed costs to invest in anticipation of".
You always get weather systems like that in the midwest from hurricanes. That system meets weather from the west coast there and literally creates tornado alley. And I agree climate change is very bad and making things worse.
Get ready for a daily "River Direction Forecast".
Sounds like The Windy City was just trying to defend its title.
Hurricane Irene and Schoharie County, NY. It's happened before, and it's gonna happen again.
And more frequently each year
I'm pretty sure there is nowhere in the entire universe you can go that wouldn't be subject to some kind of natural disaster except maybe the voids. The big swaths of space with literally nothing in them? But then you'd just be subject to man-made disasters like your space ship/station crumbling to pieces due to poor maintenance or someone going space crazy and murdering everyone aboard.
Even then you might get obliterated by a GRB from some far-off solar system.
New England is pretty chill. Well, like anywhere with flowing water some regions are flood risks, but that is all very predictable if you go in looking for that info. Aside from that the worst you can count on is snow and ice storms. But at least property damage is usually low, just gaps without power in some areas. Frozen pipes are more preventable, but also more likely to cause significant damage. We do technically get some little earthquakes. And I think once a year or so tornados do happen, but the last time I remember one causing real damage I was in high-school. We actually were going to an event in Colorado and we flew over the storm system that would result in the tornado. That was like.... God around 20 years ago T_T
"just move away from natural disaster areas libtard"
"Noooo why are people moving here! We can't have immigrants here! Move back to your natural disaster areas!"
I live in a very stable area that's only had a single major natural disaster and that was a tornado that struck 70 years ago. The local chemical plants are more likely to blow up or something than for a natural disaster to harm us.
Voids can get randomly blasted by gamma ray bursts. Just like Earth!
All of earth is a disaster area. Extreme temps of hot and cold, tornadoes exist, wildfires, wildlife, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.
And of course, apophis could just take us all out. 🤞
In that case we had best not anger him then:-).
Wrong community?
Or how is this a "meme"?
Microblog Memes. It is a Microblog.
At least 8
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Honestly, I think we should write off the entire Eastern US at this point. Sacrifice that shit to Poseidon.
It's like it knieveled off of Georgia and landed smack in the middle of Mountainfolk USA.
