Roger Stone Caught on Tape Discussing Trump’s Plan to Challenge 2024 Election

it's still unfathomable that trump was "allowed" (I know it was "legal", don't point that out) to pardon his literal partners-in-crime. He basically has already self-pardoned himself by proxy by allowing these traitors to walk free.

I'm not sure if I'm joking. In any case, the writ of habeas corpus is the legal tool that a court can theoretically use to compel the appearance of a prisoner before it. It is the legal doctrine that underlies the right to trial, and I say "theoretically" because courts rarely need to issue one; it's just standard procedure to bring people to court to face charges.

By suspending it, Abraham Lincoln could detain those people he deemed dangerous seditionists indefinitely, because the detainees would have to go to court to challenge their detention, and there was no way to get to court. The effect of suspending it again is that it wouldn't matter that Baboon (autocorrect and I'm leaving it) and Stone were pardoned, or that there were even criminal charges.

Lincoln did it, George W. Bush did it. Barack Obama did it. The Constitution contains a clause which allows it to be suspended due to rebellion or threats to public safety. It's a dangerous thing to allow a president to do, but the MAGA danger might be greater.

I have to say, "you've been unpardoned" would be a great line.

Careful or you'll get called a tankie

As in my other reply, the Constitution allows the suspension of habeas corpus in cases of rebellion or threats to public safety, and without that writ, charges and sentences are irrelevant.

In what capacity does he resemble the mafia? He’s a snake. These guys want to desperately be associated with the mafia but they’re just con men. The Mafia were intelligent criminals.

Everyone needs to remember this guy shaking hands with world leaders during his years in office. In every single picture he is smiling like a pig in shit. It is only after the indictment photo he is attempting to rebrand himself as some sort of tough guy criminal instead of a slimy, smug con artist.

Well that's what I mean.

There are so far very severe consequences. Lawyers have been disbarred, dozens of people have been charged, the trials are ongoing right now and more charges are occurring from more agencies. there are a whole lot of legal consequences which is why i am wondering if they're going to do it again.

They don't care about election results, but they do care about legal consequences.

That's happening more with The classified documents case, not with the fake electors.

Good news, The fake elector charges and trials are actually going through without a hitch, have a lot of defendants informing on co-defendants. Several defendants have already pled guilty, participants are being arrested, more charges are coming, there's actually a lot going on with this case.

Uh... If you don't want your election stolen, you, uh, you gotta vote. Vote so hard they can't steal it. Make your friends vote. Make your friends' friends vote.

Because if we don't win this year, we don't get to have any more elections. No more voting. We're getting rid of it because your don't vote good.

Humbug. I take cynicism lightly.

They didn't get past mailing in the forged documents last time, and they have a worse chance this time.

They'd have to do something different, like state legislatures passing laws that say they don't have to listen to appointed electors.

That's already failed, but that's the tack I think they'll try to refine, since they're approaching it so poorly right now and direct forgeries don't work

Sure. But there are less idiotic and more effective ways to try to seize power.

Literally forging documents and sending them in two institutions that verify documents is pretty dumb.

Resulting in legal consequences already.

Well, as a personal conspirator in this game, dumps is certainly liable.

He's been indicted in Georgia. And by the doj, so dumps will have to fight those charges of conspiracy.

This is such a huge case investigated by so many agencies that everyone isn't even charged yet 4 years later.

So the convictions will take time, but at least eight people, including chesebro and other planning-level agents, have actively been working with every investigation testify to the involvement of the others.

The trials and convictions are still ongoing, but a few trials have finished.

I only know about the ones that have pled guilty and are informing on others. But none of this is halted or not happening, it's just that the trials and sentencing are still going on.

Ha, I've answered that two or three times to other people here!

I agree that changing or interpreting the law to pick stricty conservative electors is their next strategy， but I don't think it's going to be as simple or successful as they imagine.

Sort of like how they didn't realize sending in forged documents was very likely to fail.

I can't wait for Fox News. "PRESIDENT TRUMP is picking up trash! He has to bend down and PICK UP TRASH! He is being treated more unfairly than ANY AMERICAN has EVER BEEN TREATED in the HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!"

I hate to burst your bubble, but Trump's not going to be picking up trash. He will either get house arrest, or community service. Community service will likely consist of recording public service announcements. This is how celebrities are typically treated.

His security is actually a valid concern for the court, which must be considered. It's impossible to guarantee his security while picking up trash on the side of the highway - since anyone could stop and shoot. Likewise, it is impossible to guarantee his security in prison without solitary confinement.

Of course, it is possible that one day he may get to run his own prison like Pablo Escobar, but I think house arrest is more likely. He'll love it. Sitting on his ass in Mar a Lago, doing virtual campaign events, watching the news and shitposting all day.

What's the name of your face book research group?

My emotions validate my worldview!

I actually looked up the legalisation one time. Congress described a machine gun and gave all the definitions that were forbidden to alter it to make it automatic fire. It was pretty comprehensive, particularly given that it was written in the 80s. However this supreme court said that the magic words 'bump stock' wasn't in the legalisation. Words that didn't even exist until 2003, or thereabouts. The court ignored the legislative text completely.

And I don't believe that you are a gun nut at all. You seem perfectly reasonable and make a good point.

…so who is going to break the news to all the gun nuts using non-binary triggers?

I tend to agree. There's already too many firearms out there (more guns than people) so it won't be all that effective in the short term.

But I think it's more of a thing that will take generations for there to be a change. And yeah it's pandering for votes, but it's also about opening up conversation, which is a step in the direction of a cultural change. A cultural shift away from buying guns for paranoid reasons about protection from "those people" back towards guns being used for hobbies like hunting and target shooting won't be easy to accomplish. But gotta start somewhere.

I guess my point is not that they'll necessarily be successful, it's more that a great many good people won't go home to their families that night.

They weren't successful last time and the Republican Congress welcomed the traitor-in-chief back to DC last week as a hero.

their platforms are 95% the same.

Economically, yes, but socially, no. That social part matters quite a bit.

I disagree with the accuracy of what you just said, but 100% agree with your sentiments.

Unfortunately, Roger Stone would probably get off on it.

Once they are already in the position it wouldn’t be too hard to move them to the guillotine.

Same, though my hand already look old because my joints are all fucked up lmao. Almost 27 and I have old lady hands

Like a cocaine-themed Batman villain.

It's Botox+surgery+concealer, right?

wow, posh spice let herself go

IIRC, Mr. Burns was meant to be a caricature of specifically Rupert Murdoch.

I say if Ebeneezer Scrooge were a real person and alive today, that is exactly what he would look like.

Rather blandly