As much as I love science, and I’d much rather see billions spent on a collider than war, I gotta admit this is funny as hell.
I'd rather have a 100km particle collider than an aircraft carrier.
What if we build it on a 100km aircraft carrier? Think of the possibilities! heh
It better have a particle collider on it
that would just be the Halo from Halo
That'd be kinda cool. Ace Combat ass aircraft carrier
Throw in Jurassic Park and some jet engines and we've got Ark
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
In a ideal word, sure, I'd too. But we live among fucking beasts.
You are fucking beasts
The purpose of military is always dual: to deflect other country's military and to "protect national interests" (read: attack another country that now has to have military too, and may consider using it for an attack).
Wildly assuming you are American, you should have no issue understanding that defensive forces are not really always defensive.
Idk, I'm not sure I could get much use out of a particular accelerator even if I got it running. An aircraft carrier though might be joyride-able, and that I can understand. Might still be moot since both need a team, but if I get to have either one I'd have to at least think on it.
for context 22 billion is a few billions less than what elon musk overpaid for twitter. i don't think a bigger collider will do anything but I'd like for humanity to have this rather than whatever the fuck the rich are doing now.
22 billion is half of what Elon paid for Twitter. He paid 44 billion.
So this seems like a pretty good bargain for unlocking the secrets of the universe.
For your money you can have "A social media platform that's on fire or the secrets of the universe and money for another project. What do you choose?" "The dumpster fire social media platform"
Yeah.... And at least this will generate jobs... And not reduce them like it did on Xitter.
Cern has produced quite some interesting systems for software and data management. I am sure the added value of the work is beyond just understanding particles.
LHC and previous colliders did a lot of science. You don't need to think, there are facts.
You should think again about what they actually can do.
https://cerncourier.com/a/lhc-upgrade-brings-benefits-beyond-physics/
we almost built a really fucking big collider in the US somewhere in the middle of fuck off land texas.
It died.
Yep, that was when the US jumped the shark. It was the exact moment, Oct 20, 1993, we went "fuck science, we're only doing short term profits now."
This would have created a strong science hub and community in Texas, a real reason for the state to be proud of itself, looking towards the future like it did in the 1960s, and that was due to the Democrats with LBJ.
Now instead, they got assault rifle-totin', shit-kicking knuckle-draggers for life, as the whole place builds up inertia sinking into a festering swamp of its' own ignorance.well i mean to be fair, it was also on a really big boon of massive military spending, and the debt was a significant problem, plus this was like a fucking massive collider for the time, and probably even now.
The sheer cost alone of it i think was like 20 billion dollars near the tail end of development, not to mention they had basically redesigned the entire fucking thing by that point since they had dropped an entire team. It was a fucking mess.
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
It only took a couple decades for that whole greedy evil movement to dictate such big decisions.
There was an auto-body shop in that town all ready to go...Super Collider Collison Repair
Rip small aoto-body business sign.
If scientists had their way they'd have built the big one first. Or at least something reasonably larger than what they have.. it's politics that is capitalism and war that is the addiction preventing us from having nice things
I think the experience of building the previous smaller ones helped though. I think if you just go for the large one, it will probably fail or overrun the budget and we'll have nothing to show for the money spent.
Ah you mean unlike the many other wisely spent tax money and private investments which turned out to be something to show for? /s
Is not only about physics research. The complexity of those projects fund hundreds of sectors and push forward new technologies who will have many commercial use.
...Also they've confirmed the existence of this little thing called Higgs Boson which field define pretty much reality, soo... not exactly wasted time.
Awesome. And with reality defined my daily existance and cost of living is. ... Exactly the same and killing me. 🙃
Hopefully they can finally manufacture black holes. Because that would be totally safe for everyone 😉.
Don't worry! Though black holes may sound scary, microscopic black holes, the type that could hypothetically be produced by high-energy particle collisions such as this, would pretty much instantaneously (in approximately 10-27 seconds) evaporate due to the emission of Hawking radiation, before they could "suck up" anything. Cosmic rays of far higher intensities than what we could produce routinely collide with atoms in Earth's atmosphere, so microscopic black holes could be happening daily in our atmosphere, we just never see them because they're far too small and evaporate instantly.
Well no danger of that. We certainly cannot do it on terrestrial scales. No way, no how. Not even with fusion and a collider ring wrapped around the equator. It still requires vastly higher energies.
Even if we could make a kugelblitz black hole right here, it would instantly fall out of reach through the Earth while barely interacting at all with any other particles. On the Planck scale, particles are mostly empty space. We wouldn't even get to study it.
The best way to build one is to surround a star with millions of orbital mirrors, then focus all the light onto a single point in space, with an accuracy of nanometers, if not picometers. Focusing enough energy on a single point will cause a tiny black hole to form. It's probably impossible to do by accident.
There are plenty of natural particles colliders, such as black holes or very dense stars, that are way more powerful than our engineered particle colliders, which (observationally) don't create black holes around them
Similar reactions produced by particle accelerators are constantly happening all around us, and isn't just limited to extreme conditions like around black holes. This is just the same thing but at a much smaller and more controlled scale, and last I checked the sun hasn't produced any world ending black holes despite the far more extreme reactions constantly happening within it. A man even survived a high energy proton beam from one of those accelerators passing through his brain and was able to continue his career in quantum physics, so at that point I doubt they're capable of anything world ending.
They posit that yes, black holes could be formed, but they’re so small they evaporate pretty much instantly. They don’t have the mass to survive.
There's 1 in a trillion trillion chance! So we should be glad we're not all beautiful beach body people married to the most wonderful and irresistibly sexy megalonymphomaniac people that just want to hump us every single second of the rest of our lives in all possible ways, all of us 8 billion people together. Because if that ever happened, it could only mean one thing, the end of the world as we know it would be coming in the form of a tiny black hole.
Just make one big enough that you can use billionaires instead of atomic particles
Do billionaires split apart into multiple millionaires, and anti-tax neutrinos?
I really like where this is going, keep talking
or invent a board with a nail in it for that iono
I feel like this should be required watching for anyone who wants to better understand colliders and the politics around them. BobbyBroccoli made this series on the development of some of them.
I don't want to learn science from someone named BobbyBroccoli.
How about Robby Ravioli instead?
Of course it was fucking Reagan.
Hopefully without lube.
Also that West Wing episode where a physicist is trying to get funding for our Collider and the staffer is like "what does it do? What practical applications does it have?" and the physicist says none. It's practical application is discovery. That we discovered penicillin on accident not when we were researching practical applications of injections.
You know what WOULD solve physics?
TRAINS
Yes, trains!
Maybe in a very, very large circular track. A huge circle.
And fast. Super fast. Make them faster by making them lighter. Smaller. Super tiny. So light and fast.
A teeny, tiny, light train going super duper fast in a very large circle.
Sure hope it doesn't smack into anything while going top speed. Or maybe it does, so long as we measure it.
Yessss run the trains through the collider
Who is brave enough to ride the LCC centrifuge?! It’s EXTREEEEEEEeeeeee______ 💥
I like trains.
There's this (true) anecdote that precision measurements at CERN/LHC need to take into account the schedule of high-speed trains in the area because they cause tiny, yet measurable disturbances in the power grid.
We already have plenty of trains in Switzerland, they're just expensive to ride
You just know the letters of the FCC originally stood for Fucking Collosal Collider.
And from there, we're one step closer to BFG
No, it was the Large Hardon Collider, and this is the Fat Cock Collider.
Contractor, scratching head:
Hey boss, are you sure they got the dimensions right in this drawing of their new proton smasher?
Next to the scale it just says "GIRTHY".
What would happen if we put a small collider inside of a bigger collider and spun it around while it spun around?
"Yo dawg, I heard you like colliders, so we built a collider into your collider so it can collide while it collides...."
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD QUESTION 22 BILLION DOLLARS WOULD ANSWER.
You are asking something different, but I think it's interesting to mention that the particles that go into the LHC don't start there. The LHC gets them from the SPS, which gets them from the PS and this keeps going for a few more steps.
Tap for spoiler
We recreate an atom?
This is starting to turn into some Full Metal Alchemist shit. If you know, you know.
They say Sloth has already started on the largest tunnel in secret.
.....what a drag....
Naa, more like steins gate.
How else will we transmogrify enough souls to create a philosopher stone --- I mean do science stuff?
22 billion is just a drop in the bucket to the Committee of 300 on their path to world domination.
First, you try to defend your country. Then, you want to have some advantage for a safety margin. Then, bigger advantage "just in case". This military play is what is really addictive.
What if they added smaller loops along the main loop, like a roller coaster with loopdy-loops? 🤔
There will be.
Colliders work best at specific speeds, like gears on a car. The big collider is fed by a smaller one. That one is likely fed by an even smaller one. Eventually, you get small enough that a simple linear accelerator can get the gas up to speed.
Oh, and likely a scientist/engineer grinning manically as they "push the trigger" on the largest rail gun in existence.
You find a whee! little boson.
Ahh yes, the infamous Dadjoke particle
Now that you've said this I want to know if other shapes without corners are possible
But also why do they need a bigger collider
Now that you've said this I want to know if other shapes without corners are possible
The squircle :)
Just wait, if civilization and/or human life still exists in a thousand years or so, they'll build one into an orbital ring.
Eh who am I kidding, well be lucky to survive the 21st century.
Dual purpose Dyson Ring?
Unless asteroid ... we will survive, how is another matter.
Starting to be suspicious like an alchemy circle around multiple cities...
Just waiting for the right solar eclipse.
Nah, it's just the sloppy creation of The One Ring, without elven craftmanship to keep things down to wearable size.
That, or they're building a stone giant's cock ring.
Daily reminder that the World Wide Web was invented at CERN, so somewhere around the LHC highlighted in the picture. Who knows what the next big random innovation will be.
Come on anti-photons!
Not sure if this is just playing with the fact that a photon could be considered its own antiparticle in quantum field theory or if I missed the joke. Please, enlighten me.
Maybe we could convince the military that they are rail guns. Yeah, it's rail gun research, and it will finally result in the defeat of those...other guys.
Of course, it will never work because they only trust a few companies like Lockheed to do their dirty stuff.
I mean, if you're making a railgun, maybe superconducting magnets would be useful tech to have 🤔
Probably have a ton of tunnel builders unemployed over there
Not for long!
I dont remember ever reading they were trying to find dark matter with particle colliders. Read New Scientist for years too. They have deep mountain detectors for dark matter that are nothing like particle accelerators. Memes are great and funny and all, but not always based upon reality. And why shouldnt science be used to figure out how things are constructed, even the fundamentals of the universe..?
The thing is that the general public never sees the line between toy lab experiment to factory production line. To be fair that path is nebulous and doesn't follow a schedule, so it is hard to sell. On the topic of selling this is often funded by the government too, so people want to jump in and say "free market.... " when corporations don't show up until the last mile.
Yes I've pointed this out about the internet for years.
Gotta do it before trisolarians come for us.
Those goddam sophons keeps jacking up our shit
They should make it square because squares are cool
One square to rule them all, one square to find them,
one square had roast beef, and one square stayed at home.Imagine the g-forces that kind of turn would create.....
Lol two 90s and they'll turn everything right around
The microwave at the Future Gadgets Lab is about to experience one hell of an upgrade.
The way it's typed out makes it sound like a Vince Russo quote lol
Third and fourth-gen nuclear would be helpful.
The Wheel of Osheim stops for no one
Put that 20 billions first into fusion research. Like yesterday. How on earth would we power and cool that 100 km of superconductors otherwise? Unless the 100 km FCC is required by the fusion research, then we have a pickle.
It's true tho. We need them bigger bois!
Perhaps with a big collider we'll finally be able to get confirmation on the cause of sinking soufflés - the bigon!
We'll make sophons one of these days.
I'd settle for the astroid belt circumference collider from the second or third book
If we get space elevators then that may be cheaper.
Shit Sabine Hossenfelder would say. (She funny tho..)
Edit: I had no idea about her questionable actions so that is news to me.
She also did an interview with a holocaust denier so…
Ok, that I didn't know. Off to find some references.
(I have fairly strong opinions about people like that. Hell, I refuse to watch any Tom Cruise movies because of his association with scientology, just as an example.)
I feel like their marketing needs a rewrite, everyone vaguely knew the LHC was to identify the Higgs Boson, what's this one for, gravitons?
Maybe it's time to admit that maybe Dark Matter doesn't exist, and we need a different hypothesis to explain the universe?
Other than the fact that it/some of it was probably detected in 2023 and all the models do mostly work. Plus the LHC proved the existence of the Higgs Boson.
This? https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a46807202/dark-matter-cosmic-web/
Is this really dark matter, or just more evidence of where the current physics modelling is incorrect?
"Probably" don't cut it chief
Neutrinos are an unknown science that we still know so very little about. There are hypotheses that say neutrinos could be the missing dark matter, but they are fringe. Once we have a reliable way of detecting them it would unlock all sorts of secrets of the very early universe - think microwave background radiation except with neutrinos.
Dark matter must travel slowly compared to light. Neutrinos are fast.
But could neutrinos be dark energy?
Seriously though.
I'm no great physicist, but dark matter and dark energy sound like the ether of our times.
Hypothetical constructs to pluck the holes of misunderstanding the Universe.
Honestly same
Israel better start to follow the Geneva convention and start building particle accelerators under their cities.
mindbroken
The really wanna blow up the earth huh
No.
