Hypothetically speaking, if Reddit back tracks on their API plan and meets all of the communities expeditions- would you go back to Reddit?
Hypothetically speaking, if Reddit back tracks on their API plan and meets all of the communities expeditions- would you go back to Reddit?
I myself am really on the fence about this.
I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.
But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.
Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?
Spez is doubling down. He's shown his hand. He's lied. It's like watching Anakin's descent to the dark side. He's too far gone.
I don't really think there is a going back. The watering hole is poisoned. There's no more good faith. And, I think for a lot people, especially people here, it's a matter of principle at this point.
I might check in on certain niche subs that don't move on to other platforms, but the days of gleefully doomsctolling are over.
IMO the response was even worse than the initial change. That is what put it over for me.
The response killed Reddit for me. No way am I going back to a website run by such a nasty excuse for a person.
Make the niche subs/comms here too lol
For sure! But people need to still come over and use them. 😉
Gleeful doomscrolling, love it 🤣
Pretty much. I'm not going to pretend I'll never use/view reddit again, but it'll be little more than something like stackoverflow, where if they have the specific information I'm looking for I'll visit, but I'll likely not return to the "homepage", or not with any frequency.
Fuck spez. Even if they reversed their decision, they have made it very clear how much they will take control if they don't get their way. They have repeatedly mistreated the mods, devs, and community. They slandered a man with lies that could end his career because of why? To gain social points?
Spez has shown what reddit really is and I am done
My sentiments exactly. I wonder what it's like for the reddit staff to work with such a gaslighting, condescending and deceitful boss.
We owe the Apollo dev a lot for shining a bright light at the leadership of reddit and specifically /u/spez.
I never even used Apollo (I'm on Android) and that BS with Christian left a godawful taste in my mouth. Can't support reddit after that, much less after all the other news came out.
Spez should really have just shut his mouth.
It's really amazing how stupid it was. Spez went about trying to look like the TPA devs were some sort of assholes but his allegations were quickly debunked. There were probably ways this could have been done without pissing off a chunk of the community and resulting in a win-win for everyone involved.
Definitely not. Even if I get luke-warm on lemmy, Huffman has shown a complete disregard to the community and has completely pivoted to building the business. As soon as they introduced New reddit and bought AlienBlue, the writing was already on the wall.
I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites. Youtube is the last one (for me) that hasn't burned that bridge, but I'm not a contributor there anyway. For being a link-aggregation website though, I feel like federations are a perfect fit.
I'm old enough now that I can see myself not using social media at all.... Jesus how did I get so old. Time to go buy a Miata and some aviators.
I remember the Voat semi-exodus, but as I recall that was all the communities that got banned. Voat turned into a cesspool real quick
That was a big part of why they failed, yea.
Federating seems like an excellent way of keeping the incels out, hopefully we don't end up going that way
I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites.
What I'm hoping for, is that a portion of people that care and come to Lemmy stick with it, and those people that aren't at all concerned with Reddits's business dealings stick with Reddit. It gives each community a chance to develop it's own voice, which is how it was before the major centralization of the web.
I guess what I'm saying is, even if Lemmy doesn't beat Reddit into the ground, Lemmy can still win in it's own way.
Mastodon managed to become a viable alternative to Twitter, and even PeerTube found some semblance of success. I am condifent Lemmy will be able to do the same. I hope PixelFed since the last time I've checked as well.
No
There's more to this than the direct changes to their platform:
- not communicating with mods and users
- being deadset about a really bad feature
- doubling down on killing third party development
- being a real dick about controversies
- not valuing users for their content
- not valuing volunteer moderators
- going after a beloved developer specifically for no other reason than him going public with the situation
There's some things you can't rebuild, and a lot of redditors accept that Reddit is like an abusive spouse and it's time to see other people.
No I like it here better. The community is better. It's less toxic. Feels like the old internet again
I have to agree on the toxicity bit. People here actually have discourse. Reddit was literally full of people that were full of piss and vinegar and wanted nothing more than to argue with people. You check their comment history and they were full pricks in every interaction. I've contributed more here in 3 days than I have on reddit in the last 2 months. Commenting on reddit was fun. The fact people can't really karma farm here seems to make a world of difference too.
Nope. It's far too US-centric, both in content and cultural norms enforced by censorship. What's really great about the fediverse is to be able to find not just niche content about "the outside world" but communities literally run under different cultural norms.
Yes exactly! It's so American
i agree. you can really see it with all the self censoring in the comments, all the abbreviations they assume you know, while the rest of world has no idea what they talk about.
Hell no.
My issues with Reddit boil down to three: the admins, the mods, and the users. (Note: this is coming from a former Reddit user and mod.) Even if the admins turn 180°, the other two issues remain.
Love this, it's true and made me laugh out loud.
I don’t think I will. I’m not fully moved over - I’ll use Apollo and if/whenthat goes away, then I’m done with Reddit. I’m having a harder time navigating lemmy and getting used to the concept, but it’s also kinda exciting. I remember joining Reddit in ‘09 and it was a similar feel, but this is better. So I think under most circumstances, unless they like get rid of apex and make some serious amends to some others, I won’t go back.
I’m in the exact same boat Apollo was so integral to Reddit for me….I also agree there is something exciting about figuring this out. I’m enjoying it, I think I’ll just go where most users go
If you haven’t tried Mlem the beta ios app yet, you should. It’s still definitely a new concept and totally does feel like the early days but I have enjoyed the app a lot.
Mlem is great, but I think the TestFlight is full right now so you might have a hard time getting in.
A 1.0 release may be coming soon though!
I would also give a shout-out to Limbo: https://lemmy.world/c/limbo , it looks promising so far (based on Lemmur)
Nope! I've now realised all centralised platforms are doomed to enshittification. I'm here for the long haul.
I'm done. I moderated a very small, niche hobby sub for a bit over three years. The size and niche-ness kept it fairly well insulated from the worst online behaviors, but it's been shifting this year. I have been seeing more and more users posting to the sub for the first time, simply pushing their content creator/influencer material on Insta and Youtube. Their posts are only vaguely related to the sub topic, and they never stick around to have meaningful conversations in the comments of their posts. When they violate the sub rules, I have a policy of warning once and removing only if they don't respond within 24 hours. But even with a 24 hour warning, people get NASTY.
I modded the community for the benefit of others. With the shift in sub demographics and reddit sweeping my legs out from under me in terms of mod tools that allow me to keep control of the sub, I'm done. I can't keep it shaped into the community the original members want. They're frustrated. I'm frustrated. It's no longer fun or fulfilling. Someone who wants to keep the sub aligned with the wants of the new content creator/influencer demographics are welcome to it. Personally, I think a sub of people advertising their channels elsewhere is worthless.
I'd love to see you take another chance on a Lemmy community. Start it up here, and post!
Thanks. I found half a dozen communities across a few instances that are already pretty close in topic. For now, I'll be joining as a normal user and just posting and commenting.
I've been thinking a lot about why I agreed to mod on reddit and how my views on it have changed. We'll see, maybe I do something like that again someday in the future, but for now I'm ok being a normal community member.
I was on Reddit 15 years and recently have been considering getting off the platform for other various reasons. All of the recent developments were just the final thing to push me to actually leave.
This was me, too. I was actively looking for alternatives already, this whole debacle just provided enough of a community on those alternatives for it to feel like a worthy time to switch. There's nothing that will get me to go back at this point.
Same, but 14 years. Had followed mastodon some and read up on activity pub, but meanwhile I never used Twitter and liked how reddit reminded me of forums and bbs/usenet/email listservs before that.
I definitely see how lemmy is rough around the edges, and I'm sure that will cause issues with any sort of mass long term reddit exodus, but personally I'm loving the experience, the dev community, the underlying philosophy, etc. & at least for the communities I've been following that decently high barrier to entry has uplifted most of the discussion (albeit while kneecapping niche or local or whatever discussion entirely because there isn't a community for it)
Most responses I've seen have centered on spez's actions, but I have a bigger reason for saying no.
Ever since the Conde Nasty days Reddit has gone in a direction that would be abhorrent to Aaron Schwarz. For this who aren't aware, Aaron was one of the original designers and developers of Reddit.
Anyway, I feel that reddit is now something of an insult to Aaron's legacy. Spez has made it worse by pissing on his grave.
Reddit is no longer showing on my computer. Something about /etc/hosts. Can’t imagine how that happened.
I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.
Edit: added link to the extension.
I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.
...Do you have a link to that extension?
Reddit will get increasingly worse the moment they go public, even if they backpeddal on all of the BS (and they did to some extent), I'm already envisioning several Twitter/Twitch/YouTube-like anti-user monetization features that will trickle down one by one over the years. The owners and admins have shown their true colors, there is no undoing that.
If it weren't for how rough (and personally, confusing) Lemmy is right now, I wouldn't even consider going back. But if the growth stalls, and communities remain super small, I might hop back, which is why I haven't deleted my content and account over there yet.
I remember reddit being super confusing when I started using it, it clickex in time - I assume it will click here as well.
The main issue for me is the communities are much smaller, as well as the userbase - which means some communities straight up don't exist here, because there is not many people interested and even less willing or able to create them.
I didn't burn any bridges with reddit, but certainly plan to spend my time here.
Personally I've found the Lemmy experience perfectly ok. I went from never having heard of it to being up and running and having the general gist of it in about 30 minutes. Is it a commercial grade polished product? No. But it works just fine, gives me content to browse, and isn't some horrible humanity grinder in search of profit. If people keep joining the content will follow, just need to be patient and contribute (note to self, I should post something instead of lurking).
As some others have mentioned elsewhere having a slight barrier to entry might slow down the influencers migrating over too. We can but hope.
No.
Way too much trust has been lost for me to even consider going back to that place.
Even if they completely remove and ban Steve Huffman and his family, fiends or even acquaintances from any and all company and/or subcontracted positions, completely overhaul all their positions and replace them with trustworthy people (sucks to be them, but they know what they're getting into), add all the requested features overnight including and especially the accessibility features... I still won't consider going back to them.
They will need to exert a huge amount good faith effort over a span of a decade to earn back my trust, if they're at all capable of doing things in good faith.
Short: No
Long: Theoretically yes, but they'd need to completely change leadership and also give up any notion of going public and instead transition to a non-profit. I dont think they can be working for the community while chasing profits. They have been trying to exploit users for profit rather than work with them.
That reddit could see me return, but at that point it'd be a very different situation and a very different reddit. I don't think we'll ever see it happen.
I have exactly the same thoughts. Hell no, and then a maybe combined with a long list of conditions that are as realistic as the API usage prices Reddit expects 3rd party devs to pay for.
That being said, the gross chasing of profits is the problem. A company desiring compensation or a growth model isn't a bad thing.
It absolutely is bad when you are expecting insane amounts of money for way beyond what is a fair and justifiable price for everyone. They should be able to grow BUT what they are doing has gone around 29x farther than it should have
I'm keeping my account live so that I can still interact and ask questions in threads when I get taken there by search results. Reddit ultimately shows up a lot when looking for solutions to technical problems.
As far as browsing and contributing, I think I'm sticking with Lemmy. Things are just starting to get good.
Same here with the search results, though I expect that some of those results will become less reliable over time as more people leave Reddit
That's a good idea. I left Twitter for Mastodon and deleted my account, without thinking about the fact they have 'login walls' on a lot of the content. 🙄
I don't plan on going back to Reddit in a major way. After giving Reddit up, I find myself thinking over my experience on that site for the last few years. Engaging commentary was harder and harder to find, particularly in any sub of sufficient size, and I spent a lot of my scrolling through Reddit angry. Leaving Reddit has been a wake up call for me. It's a rat race on Reddit, and I don't need that in my life anymore.
At this point, no.
This.
I won't be back, with the exception to gather all of my subs. I will either join communities here or create them anew.
My issue now is how to get enough content to make these new communities interesting.
That feels like the truly difficult part-- getting enough people to make the jump so that this doesn't die out or always feel like RedditLite...
No. I'll use RSS to lurk on subs that don't move, but this more and fragmentation has pushed me to finally try and curb my endless scrolling habits (by utilising IRC, I now only go through small bytes of content, and if I don't feel like it is important, I don't waste any more time).
do you have any more info on how to get started with this? I have no desire to go back but would love to know how to loosely lurk like that
Download any FOSS RSS client for your OS. I'm looking at:
- https://github.com/yang991178/fluent-reader
- https://github.com/hello-efficiency-inc/raven-reader
- https://github.com/nkanaev/yarr
I'll be switching from QuiteRSS which is not maintained anymore.
Then, find how to get rss feeds for whatever you want (Reddit, Lemmy and Youtube are fairly easy). That's all
I’m also interested in how this might work.
I think reddit model should be as a non profit org., something like wikipedia. No ads, no selling or trying to monetize user data, or being hostage to its investors whims. That would require a complete change of management. Only then I would think about going back.
No. It would be different if they just killed third party apps (with appropriate notice) and like, I would be upset, since Apollo is genuinely one of the best pieces of software I've ever used, but I would just use old Reddit on my phone like I do with my computer, and it would be fine. But the outright hostility spez has shown for users means I will never post there again, and I'm signed out unless I need to find something on my account. The final straw was spez's response to the blackouts, which I would summarize as "Once they get over their little temper tantrum, they'll come crawling back to us." It was condescending, insulting, and frankly infuriating. He can't even pay lip service to the most dedicated members of the site, so god knows what he's saying in private. Why on earth should we spend any time on a site who's leadership so clearly despises us?
Not planning to return. Lemmy feels good to me. Happy to be here.
No, I won't return.
This whole episode taught me the importance of diversifying the online communities/platforms that I use, and how NOT to rely on a single platform controlled by a for-profit entity.
From now on, it's communities based on open platforms first for me, and proprietary ones the distance second and only if I really can't avoid it.
I hate to be the one to go against the grain here, but yeah I would. I mean, I'd try to continue posting here as much as possible, but there are at least a few communities that I'd probably fall back to Reddit for. Reddit's popularity means there's active discussion on some surprisingly niche topics. Like, there's an active Sumo wrestling sub. There isn't a community here for that, and even if I made one (which I don't want to do because I don't want to moderate) it would just be me screaming into the void.
And I don't think that's going to be a concern anyway. There's no sign they're going to backtrack on anything, in fact they just keep doubling down.
All of this.
If I can’t use Apollo I’m done for anything other than when a Reddit post is a web-search result.
sadly... yes. I'm just not finding the community here that I built up there over 11 years. I know, I know, give this 11 years and we'll get there, too... but it's still over there.
I did the whole "delete all comments and posts and replace with the API reasoning text" thing, for my main and my few alts. BUt I find I still am heading over there on browser through old.reddit and lurking.
Same. I might stick around both for a while and see how it goes since I see big benefits and big drawbacks on both platforms. Same idea as why I use Plex instead of Jellyfin in that as much as I want to support open source projects, and am willing to pay a moderate amount to do that, the commercial platforms usually just have a better finish and feature set, as well as a simpler interface for people that don’t live in the tech world.
That said, there’s maybe a dozen subreddits that I really care about, so if those communities came over I’d probably follow. Most of those aren’t populated by the kinds of tech enthusiasts that are looking for an open-source/distributed/etc. model, they’re people that just want to be able to talk about their niche hobbies or connect with others in their industry, regardless of what the back-end looks like. Honestly, I’d even be okay paying a reasonable amount to stick with Reddit(as it was last month, maybe not as it is today), it sounds like they just need to be more open to finding a solution that’s reasonable for the third party app developers instead of just laying down the hammer and them plugging their ears. Problem there though is I suspect the people that I like to engage with on Reddit aren’t the ones making a big impact on Reddit’s revenue. I suspect Reddit can go ahead and lose those high engagement users and still make bank on ad impressions from front-page lurkers, and that’s why they’re not looking to play ball.
I will never willingly provide free labour in the form of commenting, interacting, and posting on a site that not only exploits my work for profit, but insults me and is run by a pathological liar and malignant narcissist. So no.
I stand with PerogiBoi 🫡
Nope, my account is gone and so are my comments.
I'm done with reddit.
Either Lemmy takes off, or I may start reading more in my free time...
Either Lemmy takes off, or I may start reading more in my free time...
Gosh, we wouldn't want you doing that!
Nope. Not a chance. I have no love for giant corporations, and Reddit has always been particularly shit even by that standard. Say what you want about the evils of Meta / Google / Apple, ETC ETC ETC, but at least they generally try to keep their users happy, or at least using their platforms. Reddit just seem to have absolutely no idea what their users want half the time, Reddit premium anyone? The way they handled, or rather failed to handle, the accessibility issue also leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth.
Up until 3rd party app devs announced they're converting their apps to Lemmy? Yes.
Now, absolutely the fuck not. Reddit is a cesspool compared to when I first joined in 2013. Lemmy feels a lot more like reddit did then. It's quaint and cozy here. Yes I'd like to see this place grow some more. But 1/10th the size of reddit would be plenty. Most reddit users don't contribute anything useful anyways so no loss there.
The culture is so different. I'm glad Reddit made space for so many different people. But the changes to make it more ad friendly sucks. Also seeing pop culture stuff reach the top regularly is annoying I don't care about celebrities.
The most annoying thing about the Reddit user base is their tendency to spam threads with incessant bad jokes and puns.
Also the otherwise useful subreddits that are polluted with low effort meme after meme.
That kinda stuff is fine to an extent, but when it makes up the majority of content I look elsewhere for proper discussion.
I imagine Lemmy will trend in that direction eventually, as more users migrate, but hopefully that low effort content doesn't take over.
It's hard to say for me. What about next time they do something like this? It Seems like only a matter of time before they do. Maybe it would just be better to build and support this platform then deal with their nonsense anymore
That's the key thing for me. Reddit has totally lost any sense of trust and respect I had for the platform. Why bother supporting a company like that?
Nope.
Nope, I've already deleted all of my comments and posts on a 10+ year old account. They can go straight to hell. Fuck them.
No. I like it much better here
Short answer: No
Long answer: Nooooooooooo
Nope, being an open source and privacy zealot I wanted to switch to Lemmy well before anyone cared about it. But I deleted my account because it had like twenty active people on it at most. Now that it's gaining users I'm definitely staying. I wasn't very active on Reddit for quite a while anyway, discussion grew repetitive.
Nope. They're garbage.
https://static.xtremeownage.com/blog/2023/what-happened-to-reddit/
100% fuck u/spez.
They have messed up pretty badly, and anyone who still trusts them, is wearing a blindfold.
No. The enshittification will progress regardless. I‘ve seen this often enough.
I wouldn't. I was already getting sick of Reddit in the last year, so this has been a welcome change.
There are still some communities I miss, but hopefully they make their way over here in time.
Friendship ended with Reddit users, now fedverse users are my new best friend(s).
Nah, fuck reddit. "If people tell you who they are you better believe them."
That bridge has been burned to the ground.
No. Reddit has shown it's not what I signed up for. I learn my lession, goodbye reddit
Damn redditors... They ruined reddit!
Nope, the wells been poisoned. Even if they did a full 180 and Fired Spez for good measure, they've shown their hand. How long before they do it again? Even if all of this was %100 Spezs idea and everyone else in the company opposed it, could we really trust the replacement to never try this or anything similar again? How long before the next CEO decides to try again? What Reddit as a company has proven is that they can't be trusted, and what we as a community have proved with switching over to Kbin and Lemmy is that we don't need Reddit. We can make the same content and have the same or in some cases better communities and the beauty of doing it on a platform like this? A greedy corporation can't destroy it again. Even if a major instance owner goes rogue, we pick up move to another instance and keep going no need to learn a new site no need to rebuild communities. A simple "I'm moving over to this instance!" And that's it
not at this point. spaz has been very stupid in how hes handled this. im not saying i wont go back but itll be a while and take a serious mea culpa.
maybe if spez is also removed, and the board reselected
I wasn't on Reddit in the first place, so my opinion's not really relevant here, but I really enjoy the communities that have formed on Lemmy, so I do hope people stay around. I really strongly believe in the federation of networks over the centralization around capital.
No. This whole Fediverse feels like Reddit did in the beginning. Real conversations. Real sense of community. No pointless bloat or mindless repetition. I started actually participating because I'm not drowned out with a million ridiculous generic comments minutes after a post. Reddit will undoubtedly continue, but not with me as a part of it.
You could really only go 2 or 3 comments deep in any Reddit thread before you start seeing the copy pasted comments everywhere. Repeating catchphrases did seem like a good way to earn karma, though so maybe that's why bots and users alike just regurgitated the same drivel.
Fuck reddit, I had started finding it a waste of time.
I used to browse reddit comments to find well thought angles to what was happening in the world.
Now most threads, even those about serious fucking issues, are a long lists of jokes, memes and pointless fluff.
I might as well read Facebook comments at this point.
The tone here is already on a different level, I've left reddit and I don't miss it a little bit.
This right here. For the past few years everyone on reddit just talks past each other in a race for karma. Rarely does anything with value break through the sea of memes and shitposts. If nothing else I'm enjoying the smaller scale here. I'm seeing and reading actual news articles again instead of the content pandering to the lowest common denominator
This is the most degen reason to give, but the likelihood is I would go back. Lemmy is solid though there's a couple of things that make me wonder if it's worth fully commiting.
a) Userbase. If reddit went back, subreddits would likely reopen, change their rules back to how they were before, and therefore the numbers would follow.
b) Centralised. I know this one will piss people off, but the fragmentation of lemmy is a bit too much. I have the option to put all my trust into a single account on one instance and subscribe fedarated if instances support it, or I can create 20 different accounts across different instances.
c) Retention of userstats. While I've not got rediculous amounts of karma like some people do, I have a a little bit, and rebuilding that is a bit ass.
I agree with most of what you're saying, except for karma. Who gives a fuck
Isn't karma just like an anti-spam mechanism that barely works?
And you get karma just by posting whatever the community wants to hear. So it's not like it shows how enlightened you are or anything.
Anyway, one thing that bothered me about Reddit's karma system, is that people would delete their comments if they got a few downvotes, even if they had something important to say.
Here on Lemmy, you can quickly see both upvotes and downvotes. So if someone says something controversial due to politics or whatever, they're less likely to delete their comment because they can see "ahh, I'm not just being mercilessly attacked, 50 people upvoted me."
That can be abused I guess, but I like that it promotes discussion that isn't just echo-chamber nonsense. We'll just have to see how it works in practice.
Not fully - those days are over, even if he gets fired (which sets me to wondering if he has some protection from that in his contract? but likely they could find a way regardless, like install a new position of "CEO overseer" that is above him, depending on the language).
And in its place seems to be a new era of freedom, where the content is divorced somewhat from the interface via federation, or at least Reddit is no longer the singular source of where all the good stuff is (I don't like watching videos - e.g. you can't "search" for stuff like you can text).
I help mod a tiny enthusiast sub over there so as people in it struggle to come to terms with what's going on, I haven't fully left there even now (yet...). Even so, even if Reddit backtracks, I like the idea of not putting everything into the one place anymore, b/c it makes the conditions for what happened too easily repeatable. If he felt that he had even the slightest competition, he would not have felt nearly so free to do what he did - so it falls to us (ALL of us) to not allow that to occur again.
Inside the walled gardens they take "good" care of you... but never forget that then you belong to them.
If Lemmy stays active I will stay on Lemmy, I like it here. There’s no way I will ever use Reddit without Apollo. If Christian decides to make a Lemmy app then it’s really game over for them.
If that happens and spez steps down, yes. But I still wouldn't leave Lemmy.
No.
I'm kinda finding that, DUH, I prefer small community. I enjoy helping build, sharing ideas, then ill move on after i burn all the bridges... Very me of me I guess.
I'm being facetious, but it's sort of the truth.
I can't believe you said that you'd burn the bridges with us already. I'm insulted man. Consider this bridge burned
Nah I just know I'll fuck up somewhere so I set the bar real real low. Wait, it's already happened!? ok I'm gonna go dig the new frontier and get it ready for you guys. Daaaamn
I’ve already deleted my 12 year old account, so doubt it
Not me. reddit has been getting shittier and shittier for years, now I'm finally rid of it. It's like getting out of an abusive relationship lol.
I'd be happier staying here as long as the community stays. Reddit has been going downhill for years and they keep making the experience worse for old/power users. Plus their shitty redesign will almost certainly be forced upon all users soon and I can't stand not using old.reddit.
Same here. I'd only go back if you guys force me too. :) I'd defintly also stay here, even I'd I'd return (like I use Twitter and mastodon, hopping that some day the need for Twitter will fade).
Only if Spez leaves and is replaced by a decent CEO who reverses EVERYTHING that Spez has effed up in the past few years. I'd return for some small niche communities I participate on that aren't present in the lemmy-verse (yet). But I'd stay here too. I am committed to Federated services now.
I haven't really left reddit yet but I would probably not leave if they backtracked.
That said, I would still use Lemmy too. Probably more than reddit.
I have to use Reddit because there is a ton of historical discussion that I rely on for my daily work.
I guess I could use the archived snapshot of Reddit to do that, but it's just way easier to append "reddit" at the end of my searches for now.
Not in the same way as before, that's for sure. It would mean that they only did it after people protested and disrupted the site for an extended period of time. They obviously don't want Reddit to be what we want it to be anymore. I'm sure they would still try to subvert the users' will and impose theirs in different ways. Plus, this has made me expand and actually seek out exciting new communities and platforms for the first time in a long time. These communities are filled with people who have similar opinions on what happened and how to move forward and create spaces we want to participate in. Whatever happens with Reddit can't undo that.
Fuck reddit
Not me. For me it's half a matter of principle, but I'm also liking the fact that I don't waste as much time doomscrolling
Lemmy, and kbin are both still rough around the edges and needs improvement, but I'm really interested in where they go from here. I really like the idea of the fediverse, and its open nature, and ability for anyone to host an instance. I really hope it's popularity continues to grow, and I definitely plan to stick around here whether or not Reddit rights it's wrongs this time around.
Reddit's CEO has shown his true colors, and it's yet another example of why we can never really rely on centralized, proprietary, and corporate owned services in the long term.
I have yet to decide whether or not I will completely abandon Reddit. I'm waiting to see if Reddit will change its stance about the API, and also if Lemmy and/or kbin remain active enough long term.
Not planning on returning. Reddit was getting crappy for a long time, particularly with how it responded to advertiser-unfriendly content. Federated social media is a better system, and by a metric of centralization, Reddit always sucked. It is a sad example of how corporations are successfully commercializating every aspect of human existence. I dropped in a couple times after June 11th in RiF, but at this point I feel no desire to open up the app.
Additionally, I've been posting a whole hell of a lot more here than I was on Reddit just a couple weeks prior. It's nice to feel wanted for once.
Lemmy and Kbin are early in their life cycles. I can put up with bugs and growing pains. Because the Fediverse is organized as a decentralized community, if one large group decides to enshittify their instance, we can just move to another instance or defederate from them if they pose a threat to the community. It's going to be very hard to unilaterally kill the whole community like what happened on Reddit and Digg. If it becomes possible in one of the Fediverse applications, we can read the source code, sound the alarm, and fork it or patch it out.
I had to learn how to use Reddit; I will learn how to use the Fediverse too. We'll get through this.
Sure. In the same vein, I'll go back to twitter if elon musk somehow restored it to the way it was before before his purchase.
Neither scenario will happen, of course. But if we're talking about hypotheticals, I wouldn't have an issue returning.
Reddit has been going downhill for a while. I stopped using it actively years ago because it was useless to have any sort of conversation or discussion. I only used it passively as a content delivery platform.
If reddit can deliver enjoyable content to a third party ad-free app on my phone, I'll probably keep using it that way.
So far lemmy has been a good place for discussion so I'll be here nonetheless.
No. Reddit's enshitification started a long time ago. This is just the catalyst. Corpo-stooges can get bent
It’s hard to imagine a scenario where I go back to Reddit.
I really like FOSS but I’m not a true believer type, and this whole situation just really icked me out on Reddit. I wasn’t even a third-party app person, I mostly used the official app on my iPhone. But before June 12 I deleted it and downloaded Apollo instead. Since June 12 I have barely interacted with it.
I’ve been trying out every alternative since. Kbin, Mastodon, RSS feeds, Tumblr, hell I’ve even been trying out Instagram although I know Meta is arguably worse. Kbin + RSS feeds + Tumblr is almost there, just need a lot more discussion on Kbin.
Tl;dr: really, probably, no.i have also tried tumblr. i don't know how to feel about tumblr
I would probably use reddit again as it is a useful resource, but not post/vote or anything
It's definitely a wait and see situation. My Reddit account is gone, so if Lemmy continues to grow I see no reason why I'd go back. If Lemmy dies, then obviously I wouldn't have anywhere else to go.
I also deleted my main accounts. I'm not going back. I don't care how much back peddling reddit do. I'm gone and here is my new home.
No way, federated universe has opened my eyes. Rather stay here and help grow the community instead
If Apollo came back and Christian was happy, yes I think so. I gave up a lot by not using Reddit since 6/12 but my boycott will continue indefinitely if I can’t use Apollo anymore.
RIP, my autocorrect changes “expectations” to “expeditions”.
How will I ever live this down in this community? This will be the canon event that sends me back to Reddit.
No.
There are two medical subs I care about and that have been reluctant to keep protesting or moving people over to Lemmy. For those I will probably compile Infinity with my own API key. But I will unsub from everything else.
I'd probably go to my hobby subreddits and ignore /all
And then i'd also check the fediverse's site to see if they have anything different.
I'd imagine the content would grow more and more over time until either things went back to the way they were or reddit no longer had anything worth visiting for.
Me sitting here thinking "who goes to /all?" I just look at my subbed feeds because that's what I'm interested in.
i'm interested in a easy to use forum-styled social media, not a site named reddit. Or lemmy for that matters.
Unless reddit changes how they manage the site I see no point going back
I'm not sure. I think I want to stay here.
Honestly no, I didn't realise until getting out how bad Reddit has become over the last few years, and this place really has me enjoying my time again, vs doom scrolling and getting slightly cranky at toxic people on Reddit.
If RIF survives or returns, then I will probably go back to reddit occasionally. But I haven't missed it since the blackout, so I will probably only use it for a reference and not a community to comment in.
Lemmy is still new and I think its UI will catch up with Reddit's. Reddit's UI frankly suciks and will get worse rather than better, though Reddit's might still have some advantages here and there.
Reddit will likely keep having some communities etc. that Lemmy doesn't, so I might re-engage to some extent, though probably just passively.
Reddit will always be less trustworthy than before, even if they keep the API open. Spez getting fired and replaced by Stallman (lol) or similar, would be about the only thing that could help witht hat.
Passively being key...I still want to read /nosleep, but I haven't contributed anything to /nosleepfinder...and I've been reading the books I've bought from authors as of late...finally lol. If anything I'd use both sites - but I'm getting to know Lemmy just fine
Incidentally- when I go to the All page here, posts just keep loading endlessly making it hard to browse...do you (or anyone) know how to stop that? Or is that because I'm in mobile?
Simply returning to the status quo from a little over a week ago wouldn't be enough. I'd need to see a real commitment to making the platform better.
Step one would be spez stepping down.
Yes and only step one. After that rebuilding trust only begins.
It'll be a cold day in hell that I go back there. If you look in a dictionary under the word 'Evil', there is a picture of spez.
I deleted my 17 year old account. There's no going back, even if Reddit did backtrack it would be temporary. The enshitification has started and can't be stopped.
Probably worth checking if it stayed deleted. A lot of people are saying their accounts, comments, posts etc got restored.
Thanks! Just checked and it's still gone!
I think i would just use both. There are some niche communities on Reddit that probably won't be on lemmy for a while, and i will miss them if spez follows through..
I am very hopeful for the future of lemmy, and i think the fediverse is a great solution to the problem of corporate greed infecting social media. But I'm concerned that if spez backs down, then people will conclude that we won and it's safe to go back to Reddit.
What problems are you facing?
The low amount of comments and it kinda feels like everyone is standing around awkwardly waiting for someone to make the first move.
In which case, you make the first move.
This is the internet lad, nobody is laughing behind your back on how awkward you look trying to say hello.
In terms of engagement, I agree. The userbase has basically resigned themselves to the fate that reddit will subject them too. I have switched to lurking Reddit subs instead of posting (I do/will do, but in a limited capacity).
This is the future, I'm OK with taking it slow.
Well, I already didn't like Reddit. Or really use it much. But I will likely use it the same way as now, which is check Genshin Impact subs for new leaks and such. Genshin community hasn't really jumped to here.
I will probably still use it occasionally, but honestly I'm super excited about federation. I have been interested in it for a while, and have casually switched to mastodon, but I didn't think it was ready yet and that enough people were adopting it to completely replace my reliance on other social media. But now that people are essentially forced to take it seriously, I think it is finally starting to feel populated enough to have a good time.
Mastodon kind of already started to feel great like that, but honestly I never really used twitter that much.
Day to day, definitely not, as I’m very happy here. Even if Lemmy doesn’t end up working out, I will look for something else that is open source…. Will I ever look at Reddit again, yes. Same way I will once or twice a year look at FB.
Yes, but only to the more niche subs. I've really missed some of them, lime r/stunfisk or r/mapporncirclejerk. I'll stay away from the mainstream subs; I've had enough of the toxicity.
Lemmy will continue to improve and Reddit will flush itself further down the toilet.
No. I was already half-way out.
No. If they did it once they'll do it again.
I think (see: hope) that reddit has shown where its goals are aligned. Any backpedaling they do at this point can only ever look like damage control.
UI's can change. CEO appointed companies can not. And communities can grow :)
Nah. That ship has sailed. I enjoy learning new things, and was never a reddit power user, so I'll just get more and more familiar with lemmy and stay here.
I'd probably download infinity again for when I inevitably have to visit reddit to follow through on a search query.
As far as actual regular use, I'm on lemmy for the long run.
Of course not. The people here are nicer.
No, current reddit management has shown their true colors.
Time and again.
No ofc not xd
If Kbin and Lemmy keep being this active I'm sticking around here. I'm really enjoying it at this level. More so than Reddit. But if this place dies AND Reddit is less scummy for a while, I might go back.
I would probably try and advertise the fediverse over there.
No, this whole thing has made me understand that the incentives of the corporations and the interests of users are fundamentally conflicting. I feel like I knew that subconsciously before, I left facebook years ago but could never quite articulate why I hated them, but now my eyes have been opened and I just can't see going back.
No, Spez showed his true colors, I would never go back to reddit ruled by that elon wannabe, the fediverse seems like a good option, and hopefully will grow more.
I'll go back to reddit if the content is better.
Occasionally dropping shade and telling people to move to a better platform.
No shame, karma is useless.I don't know. I have a hard time replacing it news wise. I've started trying to collect a bunch of news site to replace it but there really is something about getting the hive mind's opinion on what's important.
(Of course it had its own problems and there was a risk of only being exposed to hive mind approved opinions but you know... You had all your news in one place and the upvote functionality did a decent job at presenting you with them news your community was interested in the most).
An active Lemmy would of course fill the same purpose. I'm just afraid we're seeing an initial spike and that people will start moving back when the initial hype is over...
No.
I'm done with the site, but I will continue looking at and posting on it, and these things aren't really in conflict. It just means that I'm not going to put forward the kind of energy that I do to posting here. The same is basically true of Twitter since Elon: I made a long statement on my largest account there, and never posted again, just occasionally looked in and saw less and less on the feed each time. I still use an account for crypto Twitter, because crypto Twitter doesn't want to leave.
Regardless of what these execs say in public statements, the balloon has sprung a leak, and the open Internet is back.
I commented this on a different thread but I can’t with spez at the helm. even if everything was reversed and he apologized to the 3PA devs he’s a slimy little snake that I can’t trust. i’m really hoping that someone makes an Apollo for kbin though! :)
I don't think so. Reddit was lost years ago, and I'm not willing to create a new account just because they rolled back their API changes. They won't, anyways.
Many of the communities deserve to be saved (and I will miss some if they don't end up with a fediverse equivalent), but the platform certainly doesn't. When someone demonstrates who they really are, you should believe them. I hope to watch it burn it to the ground, though doubt that will actually happen.
I may go back for casual browsing of the news and some of the niche communities that don't have a community here. But even though reddit will definitely be around, the damage is already done with people having deleted/edited their posts and comments. I wouldnt trust them to not try this stupid shit again once they get complacent.
That's a negatory Ghost Rider.
No, they showed their hand and they will not change their attitude. They got caught in their lies and their malicious intentions. I do not mind them behaving like a business, I mind that they are becoming unethical in the way they are pursuing their goals, because they think we are passive enough that will accept such type of conduct without batting an eyelash.
@snipeftw: No, the Rubicon has been crossed here. I've always thought Reddit was a bit shit to begin with and some of the things I've read since getting out of there have reinforced my decision that I got out at a good time.
Maybe. I'm on the fence too.
The learning curve for Lemmy is a little steep and there are several quirks (or bugs) that need to be addressed sooner than later. But I can't really trust Reddit to do the right thing anymore.
I'm on the fence because, like it or not, reddit is still a useful resource. At least, for now, it is.
I used Apollo. This situation opened my eyes. It's time to find a new place to call home, so to speak.
It will take a minute to learn Lemmy. I'm always into exploring a new site, tho!
If reddit implemented an ActivityPub interface, I would consider commenting there.
No, they’ll just try again later with a different approach.
I think it's time for the next thing (Lemmy, Kbin, anything else) to take the spotlight.That being said, there's a lot of useful information back at Reddit. When RIF shuts down, i'll be using Lemmy via Jerboa as my daily driver until a better third party app with better ui (to my liking) and/or more features appears. Reddit fucked up bad for me, a platform led by a lying misleading and disrespectful jerk as Spez is not for me. I'll use Reddit with full adblock power to find old threads with solutions to specific problems, but i really hope someone creates a browser extension that redirects Reddit traffic to Teddit or something like that. -- edit: found a extension, it's called Privacy Redirect. [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/privacy-redirect/pmcmeagblkinmogikoikkdjiligflglb]
Not giving them more traffic, just the baaarest minimum
FUCK YOU U/SPEZ
I probably would check it out sometimes cuz the game I pretty much only play (old school runescape) doesn't seem to have a community on here... All just sitting on reddit
No. It's a pain in the butt to migrate from Reddit, but it's a blessing in disguise. The decentralized approach is much better and more future proof against bad actors. Having 1 site (or person) holdng all the cards is not something that should appeal to anyone.
No way. Even if they back down this time, they'll just try again later when we get complacent. Being on guard all the time is exhausting and not worth it when we can simply leave Reddit for good.
Backtracking on API would only be one part of the puzzle. I won't go back while Huffman is CEO. And if RIF still closes down then I still say fuck 'em.
Only if /u/spez gets fired without any sort of compensation. As long as he has any sort of power over Reddit he'll just wait and try to pull this again.
Nah, I won't return in a meaningful way. Come June 30, I'm fully deleting my 10+ y.o. account. I may make another burner one to be able to follow a few niche communities (mostly snark subreddits) that I'm certain won't be moving over. But I don't plan to contribute or even lurk in a meaningful way anymore.
I'm excited about the promise the Fediverse holds. It's refreshing to me. I've been longing for a better social web experience, something like I remember having 10-15 years ago, and I'm feeling hopeful that the communities developing here can give me some of that magical feeling back.
I'd prefer not to, but in the end it comes down to usability and content.
If there will be an ad free way to browse the contents and still a lot of communities build around that site, then I'll probably end up there more often then I'd like.
However I've already configured my searx instance to filter it out so that my search engine won't suggest me stuff from there. Accounts are gone as well...You sound like a battered wife lol. Have some self respect and ditch them for good.
I dont think so.
Reddit has become too big for its own good. Admins and mods are on some kind of a power trip (not all), users are questionable at the best. Its no longer a "community".
One thing I would still use reddit for is getting info from some specialized subreddits and troubleshooting my computer as reddit is good for that.
Nope, Reddit is dead to me no matter what now. I don’t care about API, it’s how they handled it. I’m also quite liking Kbin and most of my hobbies discussions had already moved to Discord anyway
I'm done. Way too many bots/trolls.
All depends on what subs I’m missing
I don't use Reddit on my computer, only browse it using RIF and my reddit usage will stop when the RIF stops working.
I like Kbin, and will certainly remain active.
But if the board were to remove Huffman for his incompetence and put an alternative, non-brain dead plan in place, I would at least stop deliberately shunning Reddit
No. I like the Fediverse and feel I am contributing to something new and exciting. Reddit to me feels like old news. It’s saturated with people and with the exception of one community I am trying to bring here, I don’t see myself using it.
Absolutely not. With the way they handled it, I doubt they wouldn't do something like that again. I like the idea of the fediverse because I don't quite understand it yet, but I'm trying, and it feels like a new experience.
Yeah, I'd been feeling like the place was getting old for a while. They might reverse this specific ruling this one time, but they'll keep making bad decisions, and I don't want to sit there through it.