New Bill to Effectively Kill Anime & Other Piracy in the U.S. Gets Backing by Netflix, Disney & Sony
New Bill to Effectively Kill Anime & Other Piracy in the U.S. Gets Backing by Netflix, Disney & Sony
We have literal Nazis stealing all our private information right this second…but THIS is the bill that gets to the floor?
Fiddling while Rome burns.
I don't think you understand. Rome burning is the distraction. Shit like this is the real goal. The U.S. will be lucky if it hasn't collapsed to neo-feudalism in the next four years.
Alarmism doesn't help just like energy drinks don't help. You get a short period of strong agitation followed by a longer period of mild apathy.
Nothing happens abruptly.
Also it's called oligopolized capitalism, or maybe state capitalism, I forgot what Nazi Germany's economy system was called, but that'd be the right classification.
However, the ideology is not that of Nazi Germany, not even similar. It's still a democracy, however shitty it would seem. Maybe, yes, a 4 years long sample of those Confederate States of America some people wanted, but not even the full bouquet of taste.
In any case, things like this bill could have been seen from 20 years ago. A lot of people just thought it's not important. Just like it always happens.
We are sitting discussing things without doing anything, a reminder. You know something to hurt them - you do that. You don't - why bother?
EDIT: Admittedly I'm in Russia, so have less incentives to be scared about this and more about one friend.
is anime a form of Piracy?! One Piece I guess?!
I don't currently sail the high seas, but clamping down on access and making it harder to enjoy content, increasing prices, blocking account sharing, and adding unskippable ads and promos make me want to pirate, just out of spite!
I checked it again and its STILL at 0 Cosponsors and sitting in the committees inbox if it wasn't already rejected.
Even if it passed making piracy super extra illegal+ it's targeting google and cloud flare to block access to sites within 15 days that could still easily be reached outside their boundaries. It's political theater for mpaa riaa etc industry association lobbyists to show they got something for their bribes.
Stop hiking prices on streaming services and making them awful to use while ending sales of physical media and I won't pirate content.
Totally on board.
Physical media meant straightforward ownership. I have it and I will have it. The distributor I bought from went out of business? I don't notice, my copy still works. My distributor turns out not to have had the rights to sell it to me? Well that's bad but it's done and I have my copy. I start a series and I know I can finish it before the rights move to some other distributor.
Netflix early streaming days were magic. One service had rights to pretty much everything and was relatively affordable. Now each service has a tiny fraction of old Netflix and each one costs more than twice what Netflix streaming did. Frankly paying 3x the netflix price would have been fine if the trend continued except for pricing, but alas, here we are. Also, there's no amount of money to pay to some of these services to make them shut up with ads, even with 'ad-free' offerings/plans.
Do they not know the concept of piracy? That's like Walmart and Target backing a new bill to stop shoplifting.
They could just make a better service. Between the password sharing, and everything being scattered everywhere, what did they expect? I'm going to pay for half a dozen services and still not get to watch what I want? Or I may be able to watch it and pay for the privilege to see ubskippable ads? You can only beat us with so many sticks before we stop feeling it. Come back with a carrot.
It's much harder when all your ISPs and the world's largest DNS resolvers block the IPs or resolving the DNS, which is what this dystopian bill proposes. Make no mistake, this is Orwellian censorship masquerading as piracy protection.
Brilliant. Make murder illegal now.
I'm currently watching The Practice. One of my favorite shows. Over the years it's been on Netflix, prime, and shit like peacock and tubi. I can't keep up with all that. Right now it's in Amazon prime which I have but can't watch because I have a "business" account and according to Amazon I shouldn't be watching shows and movies on a "business" account.
Soooo... To the high seas I go. Not that I don't want to pay for it but because it's so much easier.
And now I'll have the show for whenever I want to watch it.
Oh. Making something illegal illegal again? That’ll be effective.
If you read the bill, heavily sponsored by the MPA, part of it is about forcing ISPs (and presumably US based VPNs) to block the DNS/URLs of "foreign criminal" sites.
It's laying the groundwork for a Great American Firewall.
It's a slippery slope. Soon they will make doing illegal things a crime.
Brb connecting to a Chinese VPN so I can access content outside of the US Firewall.
But not if they're the ones doing the illegal stuff, apparently.
They could take it a step further and threaten penalties for doing illegal things.
It'll be super duper illegal
Wasting their time
Corporate legislation, making America Great as always.
Best laws money can buy!
Same with freedom lol.
Not in this particular case, not yet, you can view it's status HERE and it's still at 0 cosponsors.
"Effectively kill piracy" - Sure guys, this time it'll work.
It is impossible to ban piracy. The whole concept is that it's not legal to begin with.
I bet Lars Ulrich is so proud that he killed music piracy back when he killed napster.
Except wait.....no he didn't he killed A service. Meaning singular. The concept of piracy moved on. We got limewire and torrents.
The ONLY thing that has slowed (if not stopped) music piracy is making the content readily and easily available in a convienent consumption method at a reasonable price.
Shocking, I know.
The invention of iTunes CHARGING money for music in a (at the time) new more convienent method of music consumption at a reasonable price did leaps and bounds more to destroy piracy than Napsters downfall ever could.
Now if only video services would learn this lession. Because it's the same lession. I don't know how they missed the memo on this.
Put your video in one centralized place. Make it hassle free to watch. Charge a reasonable price. Piracy dies overnight.
And just to prove it, show of hands. Who here would go through the effort and risk of pirating, if Netflix had everything you wanted to watch, for $5 a month? Who here would say no, and still pirate? Reply below and tell me if you would still pirate with those conditions?
But instead, netflix is pushing $20 a month, and the video hosting is fractured among multiple hosts, all of which overcharge, AND want to serve ads.
Oh hey, right on cue. It's a skull and bones flag approaching.
I would still pirate. I like to have the files instead of proprietary apps
What if they gave you the files, with an easy download button ( with rate limits on downloads per user to avoid mass abuse )? Then, Netflix is basically providing a debrid service, which many people who pirate already pay more than 5$ for. Your VPN for torrenting is likely more than 5$. It's already trivially easy to rip a movie off a website ( even with DRM ), so this is not a real content control loss for them.
Same tbh. I like having a hard data copy of the things I enjoy, and have pride in my offline music library, which has been neatly filed with all the proper metadata tagged on. Now I can boot up Audacious (Linux) or MusicBee (Windows) and pick the genre I'm feeling that day. Or I can go out for a walk with one of the iPods I've restored and leave my phone at home.
About 10 years ago, I signed up for a seedbox for torrenting purposes. USD 15/month, which was roughly the same as Netflix at the time. Since then, Netflix has repeatedly raised prices, dropped content, and added ads. On the other hand, I'm still paying $15/month for that seedbox, and they've upgraded my storage capacity and bandwidth allotment multiple times.
Word... this is why I used spotify for a long time, when it used to be a good service... pirating wasn't worth the hassle.
now almost everything is worth the hassle
Yep exactly.
They've pushed 6+ services now so it cost that cable used to so people are unsubbing and "cutting the cord" again
Just a subscription that had most of the things and wasn’t a straight up abusive experience would be worth a hell of a lot more than $5. Too bad it will never happen.
You mean it won't happen again. Netflix's goal was never to be good. It was to disrupt the industry. And they've succeeded; which is why everything sucks and piracy is a better option once again.
I remember as kids we shared music by Bluetooth or copying files on a memory stick. You are not stopping that.
I would pay for the sub, but still seed for my friends in poorer countries where $5 USD is a hell of a lot of money.
I gind it kind of ironic that if the streaming services were federated and your subscription applied proportionally to the services where you watched different shows this problem would solve itself
Video services involve bigger files, subtitles availability, streaming load less evenly spread over hours.
But I personally think there are ways involving chunk encryption (one key for many users for the same chunk, but not the same key for everyone ; obviously in the end it's decrypted and decoded at user's machine, so opportunity for piracy is not avoidable) and something like bittorrent to make commercial video streaming both convenient for users and not such a technical challenge for distributors.
You can't legislate piracy away...
But they can make up excuses for their arsenal for whenever they want to ban a site they don't like from common eyes.
"It was banned because it was pornography"
"It was banned because it was displaying pirated content"
"It was banned because it harmed the public good"
They want control over what the common people can see, hear, say, and think.
Yeah, but for every dictator there's countless intelligent revolutionaries. Especially when it comes to the internet.
They're really shooting themselves in the foot trying to deny us/force overcharge the very thing they use to make us complacent in the first place: media.
If they were smart they'd ignore this bill. It would just bring attention to their attempt to essentially seize the internet and for what? For us just to get around it again anyway?
Not to mention if they enforce US VPNs to conform it'll just result in more currency leaving the country. No wonder this fucking floundering economy is all our fault.
Governing is like holding a marble to the table with your thumb. The more you press down, the more likely that marble is to shoot out and break your shit.
We only pirate TV because it's easier and cheaper. If you actually had a catch all service (like old Netflix) for a low price, people would stop. Oh wait, we had that but greed got in the way again...
I used to be perfectly happy with Netflix and Google music + YouTube Red, but corporations were too greedy
I now use a mix of free Kodi TV, patched YouTube apps, rip music off tidal, and self host media on a lifetime premium Plex server.
As has often been reiterated: piracy is a service problem. If what you get by paying more is an inferior service, then people don’t want to pay for that service.
100% true, haven't pirated a single game since I started using Steam and actually having a paycheck since about 10 years ago
Why just pay one service a small fee for ad free streaming, when you can pay a lot of services a large fee for ad supported streaming?
If you actually had a catch all service
I believe this used to be called cable tv.
But before you reply, yeah, I know cable didn't get everything. And you had to pay extra for Disney, HBO, etc. And on top of the exorbitant price there were always tons of commercials. That's all true.
But I do remember a time right around 2005, when everyone was saying "if only there were a-la-carte options, for people who only want sports, or only want movies". My point being, there's no winning and the grass is always greener somewhere.
And for what it's worth, I basically agree with you. I use Plex, I have a few friends who also run Plex servers and we all share content. That's the best catch all I've ever found.
The problem with cable was it was not on demand and contained ads.
I would never, ever pay for cable even in today's world if it was $10 a month because of the overwhelming amount of ads.
Just you wait till you see the arr stack (radarr, sonarr, lidarr, etc.)
I miss my $8 a month google music + YouTube red… I wonder if people got to keep the legacy price for YouTube premium
The people who create these services will always be more clever and quick to implement workarounds than politicians. It's a futile battle.
Want to avoid piracy? Make getting things easier and more convenient.
Back when Netflix was £5-10 depending on tier, had a load of content, and an account could be shared between a few trusted people, I practically gave up pirating. Now it's £18 per month for 4K (and due to rise), and doesn't have those other positives going for it, I've abandoned it in favour of Radarr+Sonarr+Plex, and am having a better experience.
For video games, I predominantly buy from Steam, because it's a good service, and so far I have not seen any evidence that Valve are going to fuck me over. They've made gaming and all the things ancillary to it a lot more convenient. So I happily pay. If they embrace enshittification, guess what I'll do?
The only games I do pirate are Nintendo/Sega games that haven't been sold in decades. Why? Because there's no feasible other way to buy them and keep them!
I don't pirate music because Spotify. For all the issues I have with it (and boy do I have a few), it still has almost every song I search for, is fairly priced, and hasn't clamped down on account sharing in the same way Netflix/Disney/etc have. I'm part of a family where we split the cost. All the music I could possibly want for £2.20 per month? Fine by me! If that goes away, I go away, yarr harr.
Not to mention Valve spearheaded major development for making Linux gaming like 200% better than it used to be, with development of Proton and everything, and giving all those work back to the entire gaming community as open source products entirely for free, bring in momentum for an entire industry.
That's a company you support.
I'm so fucking glad Valve isn't beholden to shareholders.
Yeah because pirates are notorious for giving up immediately when you make their jobs a little harder.
Make something people want to buy. That will help more.
EDIT On the anime and manga. Quite a few Japanese companies don't or refuse to officially release stuff in the west. Most of the ones who do, get fucked with by bad localizers.
It's crazy that Netflix originally knew this back in the 2010s. Somehow, over the years, they managed to forget this little nugget of wisdom.
They didn't forget, they simply became big enough they can act like every other corporation.
Oh no!
Anyway.
They already banned pornhub and pornographers. Fascists are going to fash.
I'm curious how effective those bans have been. Is free porn difficult to access in states that have added verification laws or has it only affected the larger players that get attention while the ones that most people don't usually think immediately of fly under the radar?
Both. But we already knew the point wasn't to ban free press, but ID people online like the Koreas.
You hit the nail on the head, it's just the biggest sites
Someone I know told me their usual site is no verification, but sometimes finding content through Google on the big sites triggers an ID verification.
Sounds like their strategy is to force US companies to block access to piracy sites.
I already run my torrent client through a non-US VPN so this can literally be bypassed by adding this to my prowlarr docker compose:
network_mode: service:gluetun
What VPN do you recommend?
I have had pretty good luck with airvpn, but the ultimate is mullvad as I understand it, though relatively speaking it is much more expensive than airvpn.
gluetun works with any openvpn provider. i prefer proton as ive already got a ton of mail services through them.. the vpn is basically a freebie.
I don't really have a recommendation atm, I used to use mullvad but for torrenting I feel like the lack of port forwarding (once they removed that feature) was hurting my ability to seed so I switched to proton. I also recently added Usenet into my mix and since many providers bundle a VPN subscription - and mine in particular supposedly also supports port forwarding (usenetdirect bundles a ghost path VPN subscription), I'm gonna try to get it to work with that so I don't have to pay for a VPN separately but I haven't tried it yet.
Thank you, I've been using my own docker image that adds in the PIA scripts and creates a Dante SOCKS5 server which works decently but I'd like something a bit more provider agnostic in case I want to change.
This is dumb considering that these types of streaming sites are how I actually discover anime and become a fan enough that i want to purchase merch. I pay for Crunchy Roll, but sometimes I want to check out stuff from other services. If I had to rely sheerly on legal services I wouldn't watch or discover half of what I did.
Legal services are also pretty inferior. I wanted to watch A certain Scientific Railgun.. Season 1 was dubbed, but season 2 on the service wasn't... I literally had to track it down on some streaming site to get access to what I'm paying for.
crunchyroll is the most infuriating they were a piracy streaming company that went legit
kick the ladder down
Not just anime. As a DC comics fan over the last few years, a lot of how WB does business looks pretty fucking stupid to me too. I'm willing to bet that if I visit the DC Universe website right now, it's still going to say something like "not available in your country but keep checking back because we're working on it!" just like it did 5+ years ago.
And they've been handling (HBO) Max with same sort of 'urgency'. So we'll get the movies on the big screen but as far as the tie in series go, maybe they'll make it to Netflix some time after you've already been spoilered everywhere you look online, in the DC fan spaces you visit.
One of the funniest things was when James Gunn shared a clip of some school kids in Philippines (I think) doing the choreographed intro sequence dance for Peacemaker along with the theme song. Before Peacemaker was even legally available there.
This is why you run servers outside of five eye countries
I have heard that phrase before, but I am unsure what it denotes specifically.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
Basically countries part of (or allied) with the countries that are part of the UKUSA agreement.
Been sailing the seas since 98. No intention of stopping. One thing I can promise is that you can't stop it.
Pirates always...uh...find a way.
In fact, when streaming services came out and were super affordable, it actually became a bit harder to find pirated movies/shows because people actually opted for the legal option. If the government wants to pull this garbage, it'll just bring many back into the fold and make it easier for me to sail the seas.
I started using pirated software in 1990, back when my first PC was gifted to me. All software I had was copied because I could not afford jack shit on my own. It is thanks to pirated (and open source) software that I have the career I have, and can afford to spend thousands of dollars on legitimate software, music, movies, books, etc.
Provide product people want and prices they can afford, and they'll buy them rather than pirate them. Don't persecute consumers of pirated products and most of them will eventually purchase legally.
It's like Gabe said (paraphrased): "Piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem."
Make it easy to buy stuff and people will. But the more barriers you put up, the more people will pirate. Granted, there are persons like you (and I counted among those at one point) who cannot afford things from time-to-time, but we're a minority. Every game I've ever pirated from those days I have made sure to purchase once I was able to.
Make it available for easy purchase and people will buy it.
I still usually pirate when buying requires jumping through too many hoops. Being in a sanctioned country, ahem, adds some just impractical to go through.
Don’t copy that floppy!
I got my first computer, an Apple II, back in the 1980s as a hand-me-down from my (much older) brother when he left for college and I was just 6.
All but one disk was pirated.
But wouldn't that go against freedom of expression and the internet?
Freedom of expression for the corporations you know the "people" who matter?
It might. If it causes undue burden on ISPs or services like Cloudflare, for example, the law will probably be scrapped by some part of Congress or a judge.
And even if it somehow survives all of that, a VPN with a server in another country will make this bill pointless.
The current administration is seemingly trying to kill the very concept of free speech and expression.
This is a huge deal.
More people should be fighting this.
Giving this much power to corporations isn't right.
If all else, copyright owners of any media should have the same power so they can effective end AI from stealing their content.
Aren't most torrent sites not based in the US to begin with?
Has never stopped the world bully from bullying others: https://legalnewsfeed.com/2024/07/09/z-library-administrators-flee-house-arrest-in-argentina-ahead-of-u-s-extradition/
True, but I think the world bully is about to find out that it isn't the world bully anymore now that it's bullying itself.
This is about foreign websites
It’s going after ISPs, Google, Cloudflare that allow access to them
Also it’s great to see the Democrats prioritizing this atm
I am quite fond of Nyaa :3
How long until cloudflare gets blocked
why they gotta make the headline almost sound like they gon' ban anime, don't do us dirty man
There's a part of me that has become annoyed that i'm forced to pay for a vpn to now access the entirety of the internet. I don't blame the vpn provider, though. --Nope, they are not the ones I blame...
Who pays for vpns anymore. Isn't proton VPN free?
kinda, but you have to pay for access to more than 3 servers. protonvpn has a paid tier (faster speeds, more servers, p2p support) -- which people do pay for -- putting them in the 'okay' category.
also, it's a general rule that all 'completely free!' vpns sell your data, keep and sell logs(thats why they can afford to be free), have really slow speeds due to user overloads etc.
Good luck, especially if they try to ban people from ripping their CDs to FLAC as well, like, how would you even find out if someone is doing that, for instance?
Unless you somehow force a backdoor into rippers like Exact Audio Copy, CUERipper, or Whipper, the latter two being OSS, you can't.
Even SCMS never phoned home to anyone simply because the capability to do that didn't exist yet when that copy protection scheme was first implemented, and it only applied to dubbing a CD over to DAT, MD, or DCC over S/PDIF on consumer gear.
Sony decided to put rootkits on their CDs to stop people from ripping them. They got sued for that.
And you still can't stop someone just playing it and recording the audio from outside of the VM.
Anyone offhandedly know how this would affect Usenet
Usenet is perfectly controllable for this kind of thing.
Also it's not intended for sharing binaries, that's bad behavior.
I can see something new, distributed (no servers), but with Usenet's feel and paradigm, being the pinnacle of piracy. But there is no such thing.
I imagine it's possible but it sounds like they're going after low hanging fruit like streaming sites and it also states that they can't prevent people from using VPNs to get around the blocking.
Effectively kill anime 😀
Piracy ☹️
