Or you can use literal sounds instead of words. My spouse and I have this thing going on where we make this kind of squeak/baloon sound with our mouth which has the same effect as "hi, nice to see you".
Me and my gf usually say Ahoozles (shortened from Anyhoozles) and just a way of saying “I want to talk to you, I just don’t know what I want to talk about
My wife and I do things in threes: three taps, three nudges, three blinks, three noises, whatever. It means “I love you”. It’s a nice way to say it when you’re too tired to say it. I think it originated when we’d say it as we were falling asleep.
The key to understanding is finishing the sentence.
"I hate small talk... with people I have no reason to talk to and don't care about."
I love my partner, and even when it's small talk I can listen all day, just to hear their voice and learn a little more about them, to feel closer to the person I married in many small ways.
But I don't care about what Jim at the laundry mat did last weekend, or which machine he thinks makes socks dry faster.
But I don't care about what Jim at the laundry mat did last weekend, or which machine he thinks makes socks dry faster.
tough. :) here's what he (might have) said: it's the 2nd and 3rd dryers from the left. the smaller ones. you also need to use the smaller 'double load' front-loading washers. those have an extra extract cycle and get the most water out. the dryers used to literally only cost 25c to dry most loads (an extra quarter for all denim or something), but they (new owners of the laundry) increased the minimum needed per-load to $1.50 (on top of more than doubling the washers' prices). greedy bastards.
Its only "small talk" if you dont actually care about what the other person says. If you are genuinely interested, then its just a conversation. Thats how i see it at least.
Yeah, this. Talking small is faking interest. I'm not good at that. But when I actually care about the other person, "what have you been up to" is meaningful. Cause I actually wanna know.
Yeah but small talk can get the ball rolling on a real conversation. It's just a way of initiating a conversation and it's giving an opportunity for someone to talk about things they might be interested in.
"It's nice day out today!" doesn't literally mean that. It means "there's an opportunity for us to do something outside if you'd like, but if not, perhaps you'd care to discuss something that's important to you instead? Of course you you aren't interested in having conversation or doing an activity, I'm perfectly fine with that too" but in a significantly more concise way. Sure you don't really care about their opinion on the weather or whatever small talk, but it's a completely open-ended expression of a willingness to have a conversation about something that matters to the other person. It's opportunity to have a real conversation without any pressure to have a real conversation.
Yeah but small talk can get the ball rolling on a real conversation.
It can also be used defensively to avoid having the ball get rolling on a real conversation. This is a key defensive use of small talk which can be deployed at occasions such as "Family Gatherings", "Workplace Water Coolers", "Sports Events".
If you know your relative is a conspiracy theorist and will inevitably try to use a gap in the conversation to talk about how the Jews are using their Space Laser to Direct Hurricanes at Lithium Deposits to Remove the Lawful Inhabitants from their Rightful Land... deploy small talk to avoid this.
P.S. Avoid "the weather" as that's an opening to talk about how the recent hurricane was controlled by Blackrock.
I mean that's basically why a lot of us are great at small talk: we actually do care about the contents of that low stakes conversation with strangers.
If people small-talk in sign language, would it be called small-talk?
Your remark about "spoken words" made be think about this and I find it curious, since "small-talk" has become something of a fixed expression.
While words related to vocal conversations do appear in other phrases like "being left speechless" for example, I imagine "small-talk" to be more of a thing on its own in today's usage.
One time I was talking about this with my friends. I said I believe it exists and they all laughed and said "particles have rules, you're made of particles." 🥺
Can confirm, I hold our evenings together laying in bed next to each other reading different books or whatever in high esteem. We're not disfunctional, we're just introverted, though we like each other's company.
If I'm making smalltalk with my SO, it's because there's something more weighty I want to discuss, but I'm looking for a way to broach that topic in a better way. So regardless of how I feel about them, it's still an issue because it means I don't feel safe to attack the topic head-on.
That feels like a communication strategy tailored to your relationship rather than small talk. small talk, in my opinion, is meaningless banter without motive. This may be pedantic, but I just don't think I would classify that as smalltalk, since there's an objective and I'm theoretically engaged, I personally would have no issue with it.
It's when there's seemingly "no point" that I consider it difficult
Actually this. One of the most meaningful relationships in my life is a woman who will sit in silence with me at the opposite end of the couch, some random nonsense on TV and we're both just on our phones sharing memes with eachother. You don't need to fill every moment of silence between people with words
remembers Pulp Fiction scene least that's what comfortable silence makes me think of, and yes I agree, it's nice when a couple people can sit down and not feel like they have to say anything.
My wife is a VERY quiet person. She doesn't say a lot but when she does it's because she actually has something to say. This made me nervous when we were first dating but I've learned to embrace it. Silence is OK. She definitely talks more than she used to but we don't have to talk all the time. Sometimes she just looks at me and smiles without saying anything and in those moments I know that I am loved.
Same! It isn't so much the small talk, but being stuck making small talk with a stranger or coworker/distant relation or whatever that you have no interest in speaking to.
This is why I hate getting haircuts. I don't have any personal relationship with the person cutting my hair. Maybe we'll find a common interest, but if I could just wear earbuds the whole time and not seem like an asshole, I would. But instead I just shave my head when my hair gets long enough to annoy me.
Which... is pretty much the definition of small talk. If I'm making small talk, it's because I don't want you to feel awkward with the silence, which means I don't know you well enough to know what you prefer.
Yeah, I agree. I'm more social than I was ~10 years ago but that's because I've found good people to surround myself with. Back then I would've said I hate small talk. I didn't hate small talk, I hated the people I was talking with.
I'd like to have similar interactions with my significant other to the ones I have with my cats. You know, things like siting on the couch together... saying silly things in even sillier voices... staring into each other's eyes while blinking slowly... yelling at her to get down from the cupboard...
If my partner can't handle silence, then there's something seriously wrong. We usually have something to do and if we don't we just cuddle up. There's no need for constant noise.
Wife and I talk ALL the time about anything and everything, be it the weather, how weather works, of free will exists, the kids, if kids exists, you name it...
If you went outside and the weather was pleasant you'd never mention it to your wife? Never say anything like "have you been outside? It's so nice today!"
Genuine appreciation for the weather enough to declare it to those around you isn't small talk. Small talk is generic filler dialogue you do as a formality.
I think there's a misconception regarding what counts as small talk. "Bland conversation that has no real point but to escape silence" is small talk. Asking you how your day went because I care about you is not. "How's the weather?" is small talk. "How was your trip to the grocery?" is small talk. These are dumb things and, if your relationship can't bear the silence that would be interrupted because "The vegan sausages were on sale today", then it prolly doesn't need to exist.
I'm not entirely sure what counts as small talk. When I think of it, it's usually conversation between strangers or acquaintances where neither party knows the safe topics, the topics to be avoided, or even the general preferences of the other. It's all testing water stuff.
I think that's what people actually mean when they say they hate small talk. They hate the awkwardness of not yet knowing enough about their interlocutor to know they won't accidentally upset anyone. Or they don't have the skill to navigate that social space to avoid negative consequences. It can feel downright dangerous in some circumstances.
And that's tough. Because the socialites think it's a skill issue, which it often is. And unfortunately if you don't learn that skill growing up, the social consequences of being bad at small talk only get bigger and more dangerous, which prevents folks from being able to practice freely.
It's funny cause to me it's always meant a third entirely different thing! To me small talk is just starting from a basic place to feel each other out a bit, bringing up mundane things and simple questions to find topics we could drill further into.
"How was your day" to a partner would be small talk, even though I care about what they're saying - I'm just asking so they can bring up something to talk about. "Weather's been shit lately" to a stranger is small talk, but the ensuing story about how they had to rush to work late in the rain would not be.
Given it means three different things to three random people, it's almost like "small talk" actually covers a broad set of social purposes and people who "aren't into it" might actually be missing a lot 😝
I don't disagree with you at all, but the screenie was of a message addressing communication between people who are supposedly in an intimate conversation. One should hope that their conversations can be more substantive, personal, and easy-going in a romantic relationship.
Some ability to break ice with strangers using brief small talk is useful as a starting point for conversation, but if you truly know me, say what you need to say or enjoy the ASMR of my presence.
Yup. I ask my SO how they slept because I know they tend to go to bed late and I want to know if I should make time for them to take a nap or something.
We only talk about the weather when we're deciding on plans for the day (e.g. picnic or dine in today?).
If you're talking just to talk, you've already lost.
Idk that I really do small talk OR do philosophical conversations with my partner but I'll let you judge. Here's the sort of things me and my partner say to each other throughout the day:
wanna play [whatever co-op we're into lately]? (Then several hours of strategy discussions)
did you eat all the chips again you FUCKER followed by BITCH WHAT IF I DID YOU ATE ALL THE OREOS???
If all dogs go to heaven do their people have to be there for it to be a dog heaven and does that mean hitler is in heaven because he had a dog?
miscellaneous bitching about our jobs
wanna fuck
the dog pissed in the elevator again it's your turn to go clean it
did you see the sweater I put the cat in?
Debates about whether or not a taco is a hot dog or vice versa
how many toys do you wanna get out for the fucking and more importantly how many are you willing to clean
that book you made me read is really melodramatic but I agree it's about black mold.
we should go visit the hot tub vs no it's too fucking cold vs that is the point of it being a HOT tub
wanna play cards against humanity with the cat
debates about who will hold the cat while we trim her claws
yelling at each other for being too loud while the other is sleeping and which offense is fundamentally more heinous (dayshifter vs nightshifter)
discussing the biopunk visuals in lexx and how they would have made all the butthole windows out of fabric
random nonsense words and noises like doing an entire karaoke bit but all the words are "doodoodoodoo doodley dooooot doo"
discussions about farscape's costuming department's extensive use of bondage gear
putting peanut butter on TOP of the dog's snout then filming her
what if we feel like we're seeing God when we're on mushrooms because the mushrooms ARE god and we're all just fundamentally here to feed them
blaming each other for the peanut butter thing to get the other person to clean it up
talking about weird internet personalities like chrischan or the tile patterns guy
calling each other old for stuff like heartburn after pizza or chronic injuries flaring up with the weather
In my perspective (a lonely person generally accustomed with my loneliness), small talk doesn't seem to be the problem. The problem is the lack of people's interest in deep topics, such as the aforementioned nature of reality: people either don't have the needed patience, time, or both. People are so busy running through the survival game of the mundane existence that deep topics are left for their afterlives (if there's one), when human ideologies and need for survival cease to exist. Small talk is like "sorry I got no time to think about the ultimate question of life, universe and everything else, gotta go to my modern slavery where I'm not paid to think but to obey, bye!". Deep inside, seems like a fear of becoming lonely as those that, just like me, likes to think about the depths of the reality and breaking paradigms (for example, "shouldn't we discuss how existence is so fleetingly finite in the grand scheme of cosmos and how futile is to accumulate wealth and goods?" is a granted source of loneliness).
Not the OP, but I seem to share at least some form of his experience and I actually think this "song" does a really good job of summarizing how I feel about it.
I am as sure there is someone out there for me as I am of anything else I have a high degree of confidence in. On the matter of whether we will ever meet or not though, that I can't say. Maybe the world is too large and time is too great. In the grand scheme of things we will find out soon enough.
The problem is the lack of people's interest in deep topics,
I'm not sure about that. I think small talk serves occasions where you might want to keep it polite as deeper topics tend to become emotionally loaded disputes.
For example, going to a bubble tea shop. Usually, you don't want to discuss the meaning of life with the shop keeper, but it may be a nice gesture to talk a bit about the small things in life. Small talk is a good way to share a pleasant conversation and appreciate each other.
Furthermore, small talk can serve as an opener to deeper topics if the occasion arises and everyone seems to be in the mood for such deeper topics.
Anyway, my wife and I are friends with the shop keeper now and we've talked about the weather, religions, vacations and how to raise children.
You can talk about ideas on what to do in the bedroom or kitchen instead of the weather. My girlfriend and I talk about the nature of the universe and consciousness quite often.
I always took it as an early red flag that the person is way too intense and stressful to be around if every conversation has to be a do or die dynamic.
It's not that it has to be that exciting. Just don't talk endlessly about shit that doesn't matter. You bought a new kind of mustard, I don't need a 20 minute explanation on why. To me, someone who can't exist without noise, or making noise is a red flag. That being said, early on in the relationship is different because you're still trying to get to know them.
Yup. If my SO and I don't have anything more urgent to say, we generally talk about upcoming plans, like next year's vacations, shopping lists, etc. We almost never talk about the weather unless we're planning to be out in it.
Been together >10 years, small talk is pretty rare and largely reserved for entertaining guests.
I think you're viewing this wrong. If my friend is a foodie and really excited about their new mustard I'd want to hear them be excited about it and know why they like it.
I was here first so no, I’m not going away or to ‘where I cam from’. Especially considering You’re the one who invited yourself here. You seem pretty desperate to have interaction with someone who is fine with small talk. I would have thought you’d catch that drift and go back to where you came.. I even left the warning there for you to avoid. I wasn’t exactly hiding it. Small talk isn’t going away. But you can choose to avoid it or cry about it more, fragility.
The only people in real life i have met who have ever complained about small talk were in the context of "i do not care enough about [the people around me] to pay attention to anything [they] say not directly relevant to me/my hyperfocus" and i just realize they're the "everyone else is an npc" crowd and let them be sulky all the time and hate every social thing they have to do, and I'll have a fine time chatting with the cashier about her day! These are always the same people who say everyone else is boring, not that they have given anyone the time of day.
Tbh if they see others like that im happy to not give them my time and show interest in them either. All social is give and take on every level and those people are always takers. We're where we are now because of people who can't bother to care about the lives of others.
My inability to carry even a basic conversation is just one of many reasons I have no plan to be in any kind of relationship, sustained or not, meaningful or not
I've seen women like that on dating apps. Claim to hate small talk, include in their bio that if you just open with "hi" they'll unmatch you, and then when you put some thought into actually writing a response, ask a leading question about their interests or what they wrote in their profile, they unmatch you anyway.
Someone once pointed out to me that what I consider small talk might be someone else's important.
Sure it might seem like gossip or chat about the weather just for the sake of talking but it can equally be someone trying to say that they are lonely and need reassurance.
I think about that a lot and I've become a lot more tolerant. Besides, you can segue into some pretty big chat from such humble starts.
This is a great way to think about it, goes along nicely with the idea that even the smallest acts of care can have a huge impact on someone's day. Simply engaging with someone a little can be enough to make them feel better. It might even be fair to say it's What We Owe To Each Other (for fans of moral philosophy, and/or The Good Place 😉).
I also had a workplace where the admin kept accusing us of "gossiping" about them. The misogynistic implications were not lost on a group of (mostly) female nurses who were actually mostly discussing how they were being horribly mistreated by their superiors. These people were really tryna act like we were bullying them; our bosses. YOU CAN'T BULLY YOUR BOSS.
I think this was written by someone who isn't comfortable with extended periods of silence with their partner.
My wife and I barely speak or communicate nonverbally for hours sometimes, then talk at great length other times. We always give each other an opportunity to talk about our day or whatever else is important, but we don't talk about trivial things simply for the sake of talking. We're comfortable with silence.
Idk I took it more to mean "wow I don't want to start a deep, thoughtful conversation the moment I get home from work let me relax for a minute" while at the same time still wanting to talk to your partner. But I guess it's up to reader interpretation and I do seem to be in the minority here.
I would say it is likely complex. One might also assume for similar simplistic reasons that small talk is primarily used by people who get insecure if someone else isn't constantly acknowledging their presence by talking with them about something.
Likely neither of those simplistic explanations do the full complexity of social dynamics justice.
They seem ritualistic social interactions. Like some bird's courtship dance except there's no relationships interest.
So it's just a burden that I didn't want to participate in unless I have a genuine friendship.
I think it makes the most difference in how we treat crime and punishment. If you accept that there is no free will, then the concept of punitive sentences is unhelpful at best, or barbaric at worst.
and on the flip side, billionaires who win the cosmic lottery are nothing special. everything was preordained for them.
This poor individual has never been in a lasting relationship.
If you can’t talk, in full, with your partner such that you somehow need small talk, that’s not a relationship, it’s a one night stand that happens to last for 3 months to a year.
As other people in this thread have said, it's usually more about the person than it is the topic. I'm happy to hear my wife talk about the weather tomorrow but if the guy behind me in line at the store does it I'm answering in grunts and annoyed expressions.
Sure, but it also has more depth than the guy at the checkout. It ties into the garden, the potential outdoor activities, possibly premade plans, possible seasonal house prep (stow the hoses, shut off the outside water, bleed the lines.). And all manor of things tied to your life together. Thus it’s not really small talk.
Imagine having a relationship based on talking about the weather today. I talk about things I enjoy talking about. If I don't have anything to say then quiet is peaceful. 😊
When family/friends asks you how you are doing but don't listen to the answer that really sucks. Or they hear what they expect and make a comment that clearly means they weren't listening.
Personally I found that too much of small talk is someone saying or asking something with no intention of listening. Maybe they think they are being polite or some social obligations to talk but I hate it.
If I ask "How you doing?" "How's work?" I'm going to listen to your answer. If I make a comment about the weather and you comment back I will listen.
Quantum physics, theoretical alien biology, the alleged obsolescence of battleships... Do these all count as small talk? Because this is the stuff my wife talks about with me.
Alleged? Oh man, let me just get out my modern day naval warfare mini figs, and the modern rulebook (do you like 2e or 3e?), and let's see your battleships take on my missile destroyers! It is ON, Farragut!
The weird shit in my head is not suitable for public utterance. I can give you engaging statements or appropriate statements, but one statement that is both requires far more effort.
Small talk with strangers, acquaintances, neighbors is draining even when I like those people. Those closest to me do not require appropriate statements, so with them it never feels like small talk.
I tell jokes. I don't really do small talk. But, yes most conversations are deeply personal and deeply philosophical. I have lots of great friends, a lovely wife, a good job and fantastic kids. So yes, you can do just fine with almost no small talk. Become yourself, not what some unimaginative poster on the internet desperate for validation of their opinions thinks people should or shouldn't become.
I mean, yeah?
That's always been my relationships, I've only ever had pretty long-term ones.
Do y'all literally talk to your significant others about the goddamn weather or food every day?
Idk about y'all but in my current relationship I'd usually start with an in-depth analysis of some latest media I consumed or a geopolitical development, we'll be briefly reflecting upon developments in Palestine or Ukraine or UK politics or the latest on the US election while we share a couple Red Bulls and try new Elfbar flavours.
Sometimes this descends into a hearty debate on economics like whether increased taxation can raise the value of currency through demand creation (technically but it's not an effective measure), however eventually i will be pivoting into a technology I had learned about or historical context for some such, perhaps reflecting upon my cybersec exploits, relating to my independent study or my dayjob.
At some point she'd relate it to a material or technique she's been studying for her masters in material engineering, she'd remark on disliking inorganic chemistry, and we'd get into in-jokes, (latest being about Aerobiz 2000 for the Sega Genesis and my interest in the inner workings of an A320 and less than stellar business acumen) which will inevitably make us watch a video essay on YT or play a light game together like Life is Strange or HOI4 or even just listen to some music, later we'd order some Domino's Pizza and have some intimate times, a couple of nice sweet Barefoot wines and maybe a bit of Kinder Chocolate (not Bueno) for dessert later, we're asleep.
Sometimes we get nostalgic and talk about what life was like before we met on Tinder or talk about our future dreams, plans and aspirations.
I think smalltalk is okay when you're in a work meeting and you just want the coworkers to go away as soon as possible and let you get back to sleep, but I'd never date someone who is so socially inept that they would resort to smalltalk.
And thus a healthy relationship wherein the individuals are mutually becoming smarter, with better norms, instead of increasing the normalcy of less intelligencegrowing conversation as their minds and norms deteriorate from it. Weird how it's the rarity.
I hope it's not, and this is just twitter being twitter but you never know I suppose. Not worth making assumptions over one tweet, least of all about anything in the real world, nothing further from reality than the average tweeter.
Personally I think that small talk is also regional. Some places small talk might be discouraged at a store while other places it might be encouraged. The same might be for the subway, a restaurant, the bathroom, etc, depending on the country or culture it may be totally ok or exceptionally discouraged.
I don't know about encouraged, but it's definitely not uncommon in some places. Small talk doesn't have to be a lot of communication either, it can be as little as basic platitudes. It's things like sitting at the bar in a pub and the guy beside you points out an amazing play on the television or it could be the person on the bus pointing out something crazy they see out the window.
Honestly, I always engage in small talk. You can hate it but I see you on a regular basis and I'm always attempting to make a connection, one day we will connect.
If you date someone for 2+ years, at that point, you know what their opinions are on all meaningful topics. All there is left to discuss is small talk: how's your day, did you like the TV show, etc.
Unless your both happy sitting in silence, you'll probably drift apart.
Edit: I think the issue a lot of people here have is not small talk itself, its small talk with strangers. Asking a loved one about their day is small talk, but that doesn't diminish its value.
I've been married for 7 years. I do ask my wife how her day was, but that is because I actually care. How can people do this with strangers? Is it just assumed everyone is asking everyone else how their day was even if they don't actually care?
Great thinkers have been telling us that free will is an illusion for decades.
I mean, that would be ridiculous......
Its me, they're talking about me aren't they?
Sorry, what i meant to say was, I think there's always at least two ways to go about things and, whatever side you fall on, you just have to follow your truth because, ultimately, you have to be true to yourself. I think thats all you can do really because, if you're not being true to yourself, then you're living a lie.
So, you've just got to do what you've got to do because, at the end of the day, it is what it is and that's not going to change anytime soon.
I've heard some people talking about not being able to sustain meaningful relationships. Well, I don't know much about that. But what I do know is that I enjoy the freedom of doing things my way and to just be me. If being against me not being me is wrong, then I don't think I want to want to be right.
Are you happy now? Is that what you wanted of is it still "too big" for you, John?
Small talk stinks
Small talk stinks
See the young man in his new gown
Talking up to his bouffant drag
He says he loves you with flowers
Something that he's never had
A sentence should be like a serpent
Quick with a sting in its tail
-bauhaus, Small Talk Stinks
haha I just small talk to appease social standards. In my ideal reality, intelligent beings are creating and doing greater things themselves every day and viewing it like a wasted day if they have not. I could, right now, talk about my design decisions I'm coding in to this editor today and what some of the plans are for it as of now. I wouldn't talk about Why I'm focusing on the editor before the game because I've already been over that so there would be little gain for the ultimate quality of what I'm making in that conversation. And, with my ideal type of person, the conversation could easily drift in to what groundbreaking realms they are in too. It should be like this every day for an individual to be considered healthy.
Comparatively, small talk is a waste meant to give vocalization options to beings fulfilling low to medium potential roles that cannot enter any realm of novelty themselves ~followers that cannot be waymakers. I know I say this in a realm of 90% people who are just fulfilling a low potential role while otherwise 'passing the time', just like the person in the post. So downvote me. You know it's true tho and it isn't the smalltalkers who are the next feynmans, einsteins, etc. Where do you aim for yourself? 'passing the time' 'smalltalk' level or higher?