I think it's for us postal workers, so we can sleep in for an hour right before pre-Black Friday and Black Friday and Black Friday Returns and Christmas and Christmas Returns. And then when we're finally done with Valentine's Card season we pay it back right before Tax Return season
Farmer here. I like daylight saving time. It saves us from getting up at 4:30am during the summer. Now if yall want to stay on daylight time year-round and not get on standard time in the winter, well that is just fine by me.
So what if the clock says 4:30 am? It's the same time in that you're working the same daylight. All removing it would do for you is change the number on your clock, but for the people who work on set schedules it would change our needing to fuck with our sleep schedules twice a year
My dad did that one year lol. Refused to change his clocks or personal routine. Dunno if he was able to stick with it or not — but it was funny to hear him talk so seriously about why he "refuses to abide by such an arbitrary concept that makes his life harder, by having to adjust his body's schedule"
His face had such a straight up "nope, fuck all that" look about it, it cracked me up lmao
I admire the commitment but if all you care about is routine and you can manage to be offset for some amount of time, just spend a week changing it 10 minutes each day. 10 minutes won't mess with your body and you'll be synced with everyone else in under a week.
I’ve never heard anyone who likes DST… this thread confirms my bias. Arizona has it right. We have internet now, no need to change clocks, just update your schedules for the season.
I disagree. The sun does not need to be up at 9pm in the summer. We have light bulbs now.
Eliminate DST entirely, and call it a day. Like the other person said, Arizona has the right idea. Let's do permanent fall/winter time. People who live in far north regions like Alaska, Iceland, Norway, etc can go to permanent DST if they want. But it doesn't make sense for most of the world.
I don’t like DST, but I hate what Arizona does most. Driving through there and hitting that damn bullseye and wondering what the fuck is going on with my clock. Especially since national parks don’t observe dst, and Arizona is on a time zone border so really it switches between sharing a time with New Mexico and with Nevada/California. And Indiana isn’t off the hook for the same crap.
Please think how confusing this would be to talk to your overseas friends. It doesn't actually solve the issue, just pushes the confusion into a different metric that is also hard to track. People in 23/24 time zones will also have a "different" schedule to adapt to.
"It's 10AM here. What time is it there?"
"Also 10AM."
"Oh. Um.. the sunrise is at 7AM here, so 3 hours past that. What about you?"
"Well, the sunset is at 5AM here, so it's almost bedtime."
"Let's meet tomorrow night then."
Do you mean when the clock says PM, or when it's physically dark here?"
So instead of looking up what time it is somewhere, you'd have to look up their local offset and mentally recalibrate what all the numbers mean in relation to time of day?
Precisely. We have computers, phones, etc. And smarwatches. All of these change to DST automatically. It would be some (bigger) effort not to abide by it. And a painful one btw. "Imagine going to work 1 hour earlier" ;P
There's a spike in car accidents, accidental deaths and general loss of productivity for around a week at both times when we change the clock every year.
A single person losing an hour of sleep is manageable, but it becomes problematic when it's EVERYONE. It literally kills people.
They always used to claim daylight savings was for farmers, even though farmers are probably the people in society who least have to follow the same daily schedule as anyone else.
I watched a documentary on it, it was actually a war thing. Back then many factories didn't have lights so they could adjust to the sun easier using DST.
It was only implemented during WWI and WWII until sometime in the sixties when it became permanent.
I always thought it was for office workers and was essentially a green energy program. I've never heard an argument that it had anything to do with farmers, especially since farmers set their schedule by dawn and dusk.
The rationale I heard in the northern U.S. was that kids would have to wait for or walk home from the school bus in the dark. It doesn’t really make sense, but that’s not an issue apparently.
In a sane world they would just get to school earlier and leave earlier - that's all DST effectively does while adding a heaping helping of absolute insanity.
I work for a Chinese company and my colleagues treat daylight savings time as an inexplicable religious ritual that they indulgently accommodate us ptimitives iin.
I'd be happy if the whole planet had the same timezone. Just adjust your personal life to global time, rather than expecting time to adjust to anyone's work/school timetable.
True. But depending on where on earth you are located and what time zone that location follows, DST is closer to the real Solar Time (12 o’clock is Solar noon). Like Poland follows CEST but in the eastern part of the country the Solar time is close to an hour ahead. So DST is more in sync to the actual natural time.
CE(S)T reaches all the way to Finisterre in (Spanish) Galicia, well past Greenwich, which should be one hour behind, so basically at least 3 times zones. I blame Hitler.
Which is why I specify tz database timezones, like "America/New York". Pick the one that's the city closest to you and will be on the same daylight savings time switchover dates. Then don't worry about specifying EST or EDT or whatever.
There was a provincial bill in BC, Canada to stop the change that passed but it had no date to take effect since they wanted to sync with west coast states. It's like enough people want to change but no one will be the first one so it's not too awkward.
I definitely get that. There's something to be said about existing in a molen hellscape. (And odd that we opt for more of this by making the sun set later.)
I did this one year. It was better. It just feels like normal time. I don't actually remember it being a problem at all and my morning/evening was better.
I kept my Kindle on UK time so that when I wake up in the middle of the night I can read a bit and have no idea how long there is to my alarm going off, which I hate knowing.
Indiana used to (mostly) ignore it, then I moved to L.A. and had to get used to it, then I moved back to Indiana a decade later and they'd started doing it. Argh!
It's a common myth that farmers want daylight savings, but farmers are actually usually quite opposed to it. Daylight savings was originally proposed as a way to conserve energy, but it wasn't put into practice until the world wars, where energy conservation was actually important.
TIL! Tbh I never understood why it was necessary from a farm management perspective. Like, even the farmer has to change their clocks so how does it help them?
Sure he does, becsuse all time-measuring devices of any sort in his house are analogue and have to be changed manually, and none them have phones which automatically corrects the time.
So in essences they have some clocks in theirs houses which are off by an hour for four months a year. They still use the time everyone else uses, because that's how time works.
Aye you can. But I just don't believe in a whole family pretending to live in a different time than everybody else's for 4 months.
I do believe in lazy shits who don't manage to change all the clocks which don't get automatically updated, but for that person to actually put in effort to dodge the Daylight savings time? Not believable imo. You'd have to be really fucking obstinate. And you'd have to get yourself wife and children to do it as well.
Isn't daylight savings time 8 months of the year? The four "winter" months are when we're on standard time, so seems like it would be pretty easy to ignore DST during those 4 months. Or maybe I am misinterpreting?
For some people who can't be fucked to care about it (like me, and the person in the original post) it's the changing of the clocks we call daylight saving(s) time, not a particular time zone designation or whatever.
"Don't forget, it's daylight savings time this weekend"... "not again! which way do I move my clock?"
We don't care about the details and we don't care what it's acktually called, we just want to never do it again. Pick a time and stick with it.
I honestly don't think about it. I get up more than an hour before work, and I go to bed early enough to not need an alarm. I only have 4 clocks that don't change automatically (wall clock, oven, two cars), and I just go by the time on my phone, so I just change those when I notice they're wrong.
That said, I think the whole thing is stupid. It throws my sleep off for no reason (less/more time in the morning when it changes), so why keep it?
You laugh but there's a thing called "farm time" that's exactly this and has been a thing in the rural Midwest in various places. I remember visiting my grandmother in Indiana as a kid and they had it there out in the middle of fuck-off nowhere.
you can also just wake up earlier and you magically save daylight. It's almost like winter has different sun cycles to the summer or something. What a fascinating concept.
I kind of do the same. I work 6:30am to 2:30pm for most of the year, but do 5:30am to 1:30pm during daylight savings time. It's nice to see the sun for a little bit after work.