JK Rowling falls silent as she could be prosecuted in Imane Khelif lawsuit
JK Rowling falls silent as she could be prosecuted in Imane Khelif lawsuit
"Harry Potter" author Rowling has been absent from social media for several days, after erroneously calling female Olympic boxer Khelif a "man."
Author J.K. Rowling has fallen silent on her usually busy X (formerly Twitter) feed, after Olympic gold medalist boxer Imane Khelif filed a legal complaint in France for alleged cyber harassment over statements regarding her gender.
On August 9, lawyers for Khelif filed a lawsuit with a special unit of the public prosecutor's office in Paris, stemming from false statements that spread online about her gender after the Algerian boxer defeated Italy's Angela Carini in her first fight of the 2024 Olympic Games. Carini pulled out 46 seconds into the bout and told reporters afterwards that she had "never felt a punch like this."
Oh no, consequences.
Only because she attacked a cis woman. No consequences from the years doing everything in her power to targetedly harass individual trans peolle, the community as a whole or publishing books about trans serial killers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see her go quite, I hope she stays that way. But I'm bitter it wasn't a realization that her crusade was mysgonstic hatred, only that she was a zealot who accidently friendly fired.
It's the start, the lawsuit has more chance to win that way, and can pave a path for trans people to win cyberbullying lawsuits too
Anyone with basic critical thinking skills would have known this whole scandal was bullshit in the first place. Did it not occur to any of these TERFs and transphobes that Algeria (a Muslim nation known for persecuting the LGBTQ community as a whole) is one of the least-likely nations to field a trans candidate?
Yes, it did not occur to them. They simply don't care. Facts and reason can't matter to the misogynistic anti-trans crowd. Their whole approach is built on hate and bullshit, and they know it.
Yeah, I've had a sad laugh about all this stupid alt-right knee-jerk reaction. Algeria, bastion of "wokeness".
How out of touch are these people?
They are just so desperate for an Olympic level "gotcha" in their cultural crusade that they just singled out a woman boxer for being "too butch" and just ran with their assumptions.
Then every try-hard wannabe right wing influencer type just gloms onto it hoping to be chosen by the algorithm for ten hot seconds of vainglorious right wing attention/validation.
You assume they even heard of Algeria before this. Or even during it. The country she represented was not part of the bigotry, just her looks/build.
The TEFRs notably did not choose a white woman to attack here.
Joanne has a full university education and has traveled the world. There is absolutely no way she doesn't know Algeria is a Muslim country and that a Muslim country would in no way approve an openly queer athlete to be on their Olympics team.
She's just a bigot.
This reminds me of moon landing deniers. Like, y'all don't think that America's greatest enemy of the time, the Soviet Union, with all of their resources, wouldn't have been denying the US's claim to having landed on the moon if there were any credible evidence that it hadn't actually happened?
It’s about fucking time someone shut her up
She's a bully. It's time she actually faced consequences for her actions.
she thought she was Hermione. turns out she was just Malfoy.
I'm honestly confused how she could write a story where Harry Potter triumphs over he who must not be named, when he who must not be named was her hero.
It must have been really tough for her.
She's a Stan Shunpike- radicalized offscreen, leaving everyone else confused
Heaven forbid she lose money. Literally the only thing that could make her
stopbriefly pause harassing people on the internet.She has billions. No matter how much she loses she'll still be obscenely rich.
the only thing
I mean, there are other ways, but...
And here I thought that she would happily go to jail over her bigotry: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-willing-jail-misgendering_n_65314d65e4b00565b6234d11
I'm a Conservative championing Genital Inspections on Children to make sure ONLY PEOPLE with Vaginas play Girl's Sports but also THIS Women with a Vagina is ACTUALLY A MAN!
It's about PROTECTING WOMEN! And if I have to hurt a bunch of women to protect them from hypothetical scenarios I made up to demonize trans people, so be it!
JKR is so far off base here that even if you are a dyed-in-the-wool TERF this is basically impossible to defend.
Gate-keeping feminity by excluding women born with a vagina who are too butch by your opinion to be considered "women" is going too far... even if you are otherwise onboard with gate-keeping "womanhood" from trans women.
Conservatives have a real fixation on people's gentials. Not the fun, sexy way more like a weird, pervy way.
Sorry, was I wrong to be a hateful bigot and use my celebrity to spread hate?
when a man breaks a record he is a super human, when a woman breaks a record she is a man.
Did she break any record? Also AFAIK the same didn't happen to previous medalists or generally the strongest female boxers. It also didn't happen with other monsters who broke tons of records (e.g. Katie Ledecky) just during this Olympics.
This makes me think that it's not what you are saying but there are probably other reasons in play. Probably the IBA and the media making a case after the first boxer withdrew are responsible.
In combat sports there's a lot of derision for women who look too strong. Instead of complementing their training regiment and dedicated they get called ugly and a man all the damn time.
On the other end usually those same trolls will call women who train and still look feminine to be gold diggers training with so many men, that's for posting pictures of themselves training, making weight etc. And send them dm's offering money to be choked out.
The IBA is notoriously corrupt and in the pockets of Russia. The whole stuff against Khelif was likely made up, because she did not adhere to planned match fixing by the IBA.
Add to that the fact that she is from an African Muslim country and on top of that the country that kicked the French colonisers out. She was made the perfect targeted for all levels of racism and white supremacism, from the very blatant, to the more or less concealed "Liberals".
And thus, by the transitive property, a super human.
"Could any picture sum up our new men's rights movement better?" the writer asked. "The smirk of a male who's knows he's protected by a misogynist sporting establishment enjoying the distress of a woman he's just punched in the head, and whose life's ambition he's just shattered."
This fucking smug cunt.
Some people need a punch to the head to stop being so smug
throw Rowling into the ring
Damn is that actually what she said?
According to the article, yeah.
Transgender people in competitive sports that are already segregated by biological sex is relatively uncharted, and should be carefully navigated. There are ways, and appropriate settings, to bring this topic up respectfully. Twitter is not the place, and these people are not qualified to offer their opinion. JK (and others) aren’t fighting some good cause, they’re just being assholes.
On top of invalidating the lived experience of a cis-woman because this Olympic boxer with more muscle than most men looks kinda masculine in some pictures.
So much for the "we can always tell".
It's a double whammy of bigotry.
This is right. This requires a discussion a bit wider than 420 letters, even more when they come from Rowling
The irony of Rowling getting sued for calling a biological woman trans
It's so weird of Rowling to call her a man, considering they have a similar face structure.
I was just noticing that, facial features are very alike
Her post facelift face anyway.
[aliens meme]
projecting
"Just Kidding" Rowling
And let this be a lesson to all internet people, I know y’all hear about the first amendment a lot, but it only applies in America. You have to actually follow the laws of the country you’re in
The Wall Street Journal still has an article online that says:
The Algerian boxer is biologically male but allowed to compete in the female category
Fuck Jeff BezosEDIT: Oh dang this isn't WaPo. Fuck him anyway though.
Wait how is this blatant lie allowed to remain published online? I thought the WSJ had at least some credibility?
how is this blatant lie allowed to remain published online?
A lot of people still think there's consequence or rules or regulations on what publications can say or do. We abolished those laws a long time ago.
Sue'em, hard.
No modern US media has any credibility anymore. They are owned by a handful of wealthy people who don't give a shit about truth or journalistic integrity.
WSJ is a Murdoch propaganda outlet
You spelled Rupert Murdoch wrong.
The author, colin wright, touts himself as a fellow for SEGM "The Society For Evidence-Based Gender Medicine;" which is a non-profit organization that is known for its opposition to gender-affirming care for transgender youth and for engaging in political lobbying.
He's a POS who gets paid to write smear pieces endangering the lives of trans people, by people with even worse ideals than his own.
Good, sue her ass off Imane. Take her for every penny. Rowling is an asshole.
Is Rowling even subject to French legal proceedings?
The harassment lawsuit alleges "aggravated cyber-harassment" against Khelif, according to a statement from the boxer's lawyer, Nabil Boudi, who was quoted by The Associated Press. Variety reported that the complaint was filed against X, which means under French law that it was filed against unknown persons. Investigators at the Paris prosecutor's office will determine who could be at fault in Khelif's complaint.
If she ends up being found liable in an EU country, I bet she won't be able to travel to any EU country without facing that liability. X is an international platform, and she's broadcasting her words internationally, so yes, she can be held accountable in countries where this carries civil or criminal liability.
That's not how legal jurisdiction works in the EU. Member states are still sovereign; if you're liable for something in France and you get off a plane in Germany then France still needs to ask Germany nicely, and sans an extraditable conviction nothing is likely to come of it.
Well at the very least it could block her from going to France? Which as a rich British middle-aged woman I'm sure she would hate not being able to do.
It's amazing how fast lawsuits can shut up anybody who still has at least two brain cells left. Doesn't work on Trump or Elon for some reason. I'm sure it's a coincidence.
Dementia DonOLD the weird racist rapist with 34 felonies only has two brain cells. AND THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR THIRD PLACE.
Different laws. In the UK it's generally easier to sue for defaming someone like Rowling is accused of doing.
This is under French law, though, and it's cyberbullying law instead of defamation.
I hope she pays dearly for her racism and bigotry.
Racism?
all of this started when the (Russian controlled) IBA suddenly disqualified Khelif (who had been boxing for many years without issue) after beating a Russian. Since then IOC banned the IBA due to ties with organized crime, fixing fights, and financial instability, so now IBA has no influence on olympic boxing whatsoever.
fast forward a couple years to the bigger stage of the olympics, twitter warriors pick up on the story again based on nothing more than "looks like a man" which happens disproportionately more to women of color. So yes, this kind of thing often does have racial undertones.
Bahahaha not so careless about throwing your hatred around on your sleeve now, are you bitch?
Fucking destroy her.
Last year boxer was blocked from competing...
What in the Kentucky fried fuck is the editor doing.
AI editors all the way down.
she's in stage 2 of fucking around lmaoo
Get her!
Rowling has been silent on X since August 7, when she shared a post from researcher Maya Forstater, who was fired from her job after making anti-trans statements.
(my emphases)
I don't know where Newsweek takes its facts from but this is another lie pushed by the TERF propaganda machine. Forstater was a tax expert whose contract was not renewed after she was horrible to her trans and non-binary colleagues. (Yes the 'researcher' wording is put there on purpose, to amplify the perception that her freedom of speech was violated, or as Rowling likes to put it 'her livelihood was threatened for disagreeing with the trans lobby'.)
She then went to a labor tribunal court or sth, to claim that her belief in the "immutability and reality of sex" is a protected belief, and made a fuss about being fired for her beliefs, when in reality she was merely discontinued for being a dick to the people she worked with. Her Twitter feed was full of conflating trans people with rapists and pedophiles.
The first judge took into account her definition that requires working plumbing to name someone a woman, and consulted a biological expert, impartial to gender identity, that precluded any scientific basis to Forstater's childish views on biological sex. The judge deemed her belief is "unworthy of respect in a democratic society", but later, an appeal court said she has a right to believe that but she still cannot misgender people.
Critical legal theorists suggested that the appeal court held a very low bar as for what opinions "worthy of respect" should be, and that its ruling should be better interpreted as "marginally better than an outright nazi".
It is a red flag for both the author and the outlet that they lead with a snippet of propaganda which is as false as unsubstantiated claims that Khelif's trans or DSD. So should we conclude both toxic narratives are pushed by the same epicenters?
How much money did she make with HP, billions not millions, right? How can she be so dumb spending her life like a bored internet Karen instead of enjoying it to the fullest with no worry whatsoever?
Weirdly, I saw a video online about how people have been looking at videos JKR has been making and the weird coincidence that black mold has allegedly been seen in her backgrounds, given the symptoms of black mold in a person and how the appearance of it lines up with when she started spouting these “opinions.”
Ok now we’re in 4chan territory
I was looking for serious Medical explanation of her condition, not the latest gossip from trans TokTok.
Money can take away a lot of your problems but it can't make you enjoy your life. That's a skill you have to learn that starts with being comfortable with yourself and listening to yourself. A lot of people can't handle doing that and it's why they stay so miserable. Money won't help with that, it only helps with having your most base needs met. She's miserable because she never put in the effort to learn to not be and so she turns to the internet for an outlet to remove some of her misery but of course it can't do that and so she becomes more miserable and lashes out more and more just like anyone else regardless of money. True peace comes from within and within she is hollow and vapid.
FAFO
Get fucked you stupid cunt.
I've started referring to JK as "Jacob Rowling".
I know that they're completely unaware of it, but I get some smug satisfaction out of misgendering them.
Look, not to be “that guy” but the importance of using someone’s preferred pronouns doesn’t fly out the window when you don’t like them. That just makes you hypocritical.
Bash them for being a piece of shit all you like, but the moment you’re choosing to misgender them intentionally you’re signaling that pronoun choice only matters when you like the person being referred to.
!!!
Joseph would work better considering her birth name was Joanne.
Joseph Kenneth Rowling.
Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much
good god, she's still digging
No need for lawsuits. Put her in the ring. Let her defend her convictions with her face and fists.
Like the Hungarian.
Please exemplify Stupid!
That woman knows how to play the games. Serious winner.
(Edit: I meant Imane, in case that was not clear. And not sarcastic.)
I hope Mr Rowling gets some prison time.
That seems both unlikely and - to be honest - completely exaggerated and useless.
I did indeed exaggerate
Use of the internet to in any way facilitate the outsourcing of on-site labour overseas is capitalism's ultimate spatial fix, pass it on.
They should just let them sort it out in the ring.
I managed to never see a photo of rowling until now, and she totally looks like my friend's dad in poorly done drag and probably also on hard drugs.
Hah. No. She has real lawyer money.
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Wikipedia about this sourceI don't get it. They took a test that revealed they have XY chromosomes in 2023.
I haven't seen any reporting confirming that she's got XY chromosomes. But if you have an article, please correct me if I'm wrong. What I've been able to find is this:
Banned governing body that’s fueling outcry on Olympic boxers has Russian ties and troubled history
Summary-
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The disqualification was done in a tournament run by an organization banned by the Olympics.
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She participated in tournaments run by this organization with no issues for the last several years.
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The organization hasn't said why she was disqualified.
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The man spouting the 'trans woman' claims is the leader of the organization. He's a friend of Putin and described as a drug trafficker.
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Her disqualification happened after she beat the previously undefeated Russian boxer Amineva 3 days post fight.
There's more in the article, but these are the quick bullet points I came up with.
Troubled Russian ties and corruption in the Olympics.
- The organization hasn't said why she was disqualified.
Lie. They've said their tests found xy chromosomes.
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That doesn't make her not female, or trans. From the Snopes article about this:
There are genetic conditions, termed differences of sexual development, in which biological females are born with XY chromosomes but possess female anatomy, or that affect how a biological female regulates and reacts to testosterone, causing levels typically associated with males. Though there is no independent confirmation that Khelif has these conditions, people born this way would legally be considered female or intersex.
Debates over these issues in the context of women's sports have nothing to do with a purported "woke" or "trans agenda," because such instances involve women who were born as women, identify as women and have not undergone any sex reassignment surgery or procedure to change this fact. That is what IOC spokesperson Mark Adams meant when he clarified to the press "this is not a transgender issue."
Gender-reassignment procedures require significant financial and medical resources. The notion that a woman from a rural western Algerian village who sold scrap metal to support her boxing career would have had the ability to undergo such a procedure in a deeply conservative Muslim country that prohibits the practice is extremely unlikely, at best.
According to anti-trans people like her, there are only men and women. At birth Khleif was medically determined to be a woman and always lived as a woman. End of story, particularly for people like JKR who think this is a simple issue.
Hey look it's a mouth breathing transphobic science misunderstander
I'm about to enjoy blocking you.
The bullshit about XY chromosomes is pretty stupid, which is why the other replier provided an article and a few key points in refutation.
The OP's comment didn't read to me as particularly incendiary, but thanks for labelling them as transphobic and mouth breathing with no precedent! Really appreciate good contributions to discourse like yours.
EDIT: not sure what the downvotes are for. XY chromosomes are not exactly valid for determining sex, much less gender. Women might have Y chromosomes, or even three copies of X. Gender has nothing to do with this at all, in fact.
Using XY as an argument is therefore bullshit.
Even if it's bullshit, there's no need to call someone a mouth breather unprovoked. The other thread seems to be a shitshow anyway, so I'm glad the replier is being called out.