Every damn day

Yeah, I had a manager try to pull "You'll need to find coverage for the day." I'll ask around, but that kind of sounds like your job. Everybody said no to me, so it's going to be even harder for you. Best of luck!

Yup, this is how I do it. Had ONE manager try the whole "we actually NEED you to come in, we don't have enough coverage" thing the day I was scheduled to start my vacation, so I sent them a picture from the window of the plane I was on.

It entirely depends on the particular workplace and what is involved, but either way a decent manager should work with you.

"John, Sarah, and James have already asked for that time off, and we have to have someone in the shop. Would you be able to change to this time to this time?" And you never, ever, ever call someone in when they are on PTO. If you, as a manager, okayed it, it's on you if there's not enough coverage for whatever reason.

In fairness, I work in Search and Rescue, so operations like mine and other emergency-related workplaces can't just be like "Oh well, I guess we won't have coverage that day, Joe wanted to go hunting." If you work in an office and your work literal lives aren't depending on you and others being there, then managers should work around it as best they can.

If your workplace is insane they will still deny you. But yes.

That sounds like you're not being a team player. It is absolutely vital that we maintain a skeleton crew because your manager's bonus is dependent on cutting payroll to the point of nonfunctionality.

They don't give us enough vacation time anyways, everyone should be maxing their sick days too. Assuming you're not someone prone to actually getting sick.

So, in my country (I believe it's the same in the rest of the EU), we have fixed amount of PTO days every year (the amount depends on your contract, but, like pay, it cannot be below 4 weeks), and you HAVE TO USE THEM.

Some people try to build up PTO reserves for whatever reason, and usually their employers have to force them to take time off.

Close.

Fuck Around and Find Out.

My friend has unlimited PTO. He’s not even shamed for using it.

I’m envious.

I’m technically offered 10 days. I’m lucky if I use 6 or 7…

They are.

Use it or lose it.

Maybe you can buy more days off through the benefits system?

It denies everyone the article, it's not searchable, and it's inaccessible for people using things like screen readers. People who screenshot text deserve a special place in hell.

It was right at the top on ecosia... https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/millennials-are-quiet-vacationing-rather-than-asking-their-boss-for-pto-there-s-a-giant-workaround-culture/ar-BB1mMKWd

My gift to you.

TL;DR: American Conservatives have spent millions of dollars since the 70s studying language and ideas and figuring out how to frame every issue from a conservative, pro-capital, pro-business perspective.

Well, you see, back during the 1960's and 1970's there was a huge push in the US against war, against white supremacy, against fascism, against the draft, against segregation, and many other things. Many of the people who currently hold US political offices today were either in the universities and colleges when these protests were ongoing, or were already working as staffers for conservative politicians. They saw what was going on and became determined to never let these things happen again. In 1971 when then Supreme Court Justice Lewis F. Powell mailed a confidential memo to his friends in the US Chamber of Commerce titled: "Attack on American Free Enterprise System" and outlined Powell's concerns re: the youth of the US and the growing sentiments against the Vietnam War. He was worried that our nation's best and brightest were becoming anti business because of our involvemnt in Vietnam. Powell's agenda included getting wealthy conservatives to set up professorships, setting up institutes on and off campus where intellectuals would write books from a conservative business perspective, and setting up think tanks. He outlined the whole thing in 1970. They set up the Heritage Foundation in 1973, and the Manhattan Institute after that.

And now, as the New York Times Magazine quoted Paul Weyrich, who started the Heritage Foundation, they have 1,500 conservative radio talk show hosts. They have a huge, very good operation, and they understand their own moral system. They understand what unites conservatives, and they understand how to talk about it, and they are constantly updating their research on how best to express their ideas.

Now, you might be wondering why progressives haven't done the same thing. There's a systematic reason for that. You can see it in the way that conservative foundations and progressive foundations work. Conservative foundations give large block grants year after year to their think tanks. They say, 'Here's several million dollars, do what you need to do.' And basically, they build infrastructure, they build TV studios, hire intellectuals, set aside money to buy a lot of books to get them on the best-seller lists, hire research assistants for their intellectuals so they do well on TV, and hire agents to put them on TV. They do all of that. Why? Because the conservative moral system has as its highest value preserving and defending the "strict father" system itself. And that means building infrastructure. As businessmen, they know how to do this very well.

Meanwhile, liberals' conceptual system of the "nurturant parent" has as its highest value helping individuals who need help. The progressive foundations and donors give their money to a variety of grassroots organizations. They say, 'We're giving you $25,000, but don't waste a penny of it. Make sure it all goes to the cause, don't use it for administration, communication, infrastructure, or career development.'

It's only tyranny if the colored people or the gays do it.

Oh no, we respect the police we'd NEVER!/s yeah. There's a weird dichotomy in the US.

People do on occasion, like there were armed leftists that prevented police from raiding encampments in Texas, and at some protests there have been organized armed groups like John Brown Gun Clubs or Socialist Rifle Associations. Several people that argued for more militant resistance to state violence were murdered in 2020, and many times for decades before that, so a lot of people are scared and not organized sufficiently, but there are groups that have been preparing.

It's completely boggling. The other longer reply nailed it perfectly. But yeah, conservatism is a really weird ideal in that regard.

It's because it's all "anti big government", but usually they're talking about bringing down social safety nets and building up walls.

They're so obsessed with governmental tyranny (even though they're religiously huge fans of police and armed forces...huh?), but they're completely blind to tyranny on smaller levels, on a domestic scale.

So you usually catch them simping for capitalists instead of opposing them.

"Because one day I'll get to wear the boot! 🤡"

I think they see abuse by bosses, landlords, and the ilk as "paying ones' dues" or something. They'll of course have zero compunction about passing on that abuse if they somehow end up in the high-chair.

So basically: "Don't tread on me!*

*...Unless you're my boss. I'm happy I'm at least free to choose my own tyrant among an infinite number of other tyrants, and I'll die talk a really big game to make sure everyone is exploited by private interests instead of government ones!"

There's for-the-people groups like Socialist Rifle Association but they're smaller in comparison.

Heck, gun-fever and the NRA are basically all private marketing schemes to begin with.

My last job it was really difficult to use PTO because we were always kept short staffed and there were only like 2 or 3 PTO "slots" a day and less on weekends. During the summer if you didn't get your request in months ahead it was practically impossible and forget about getting a whole week. One of many reasons I left was dealing with that shit.

I knew a guy who never took vacation. First dude they laid off.

In the US the manager’s job regarding staffing is to continually do more work with less people as much as possible to make the bean counters happy.

I would check whether that's actually legal in your area, if I were you.

I guess I am kind of a lazy entitled bastard. Wanting to tuck my kids in at bedtime and whatnot.

I figured it was working remotely and traveling wherever you want, working in the morning and vacationing in the evening.

If the work is done on time, who gives a fuck.

Middle managers everywhere, being little bitches.

If manager didn't know then he's bad or I'm really good.

Sounds like regular vacation

I’ve explained this so many times. I grew up in rural Georgia and I’ve been shout and yelled at so many times by some old boomer dude that I’m just immune to it. Would rather just avoid listening to their bullshit at all.

early millennials

Personally I prefer Elder Millennial. Makes it sound more dignified and you can never go wrong with an Iliza Schlesinger reference (she coined the term and named a brilliant stand up special after it) 😁

🎵 Great grandsons of the silent age 🎵

My boss is like, "Okay cool." I'm glad I have a good boss.

Well, you already speak the language, so that's a start.

Depending on where you're from you'll face different challenges. If you're an EU/Schengen citizen you can pretty much just mosy on over here. If you have a full-time job and/or enough money, as well as some form of health insurance you'll be able to get a personnummer quite easily. If you're outside of the EU things get trickier, but having a job lined up here will make things easier.

There's also the spousal path, though given our current nazi-xenophobic government I'm expecting a lot of those avenues to get tougher.

That isn't "normal" though. Part of the reason that companies like unlimited PTO is that typically workers take less PTO when unlimited is offered.

I had 8 weeks paid per year in my last job, so rolling in to this one with unlimited I pretty much do the same. But for sure I'm a bit of an anomaly. I rarely see others taking time.

My wife and mys manager

Why do people do this?