I grew up with classmates named Autumn, April, and December (she went by DeeDee). I had a co-worker named June. I've known of kids named Summer, January, Augustus, and September. But none of them picked these names; it was the parents who identified them as months or seasons!
(And yes obviously the Fox story is beyond stupid)
“I feel more masculine in the summertime. I wear more masculine clothing, I wear shorts. I normally have my hair up more and I just feel more ‘boy’, whereas in the winter – for some reason – girl mode comes out and I’m loving skirts and dresses and having my hair down.”
This is from a video that the Fox story is about. Fox totally missed the point, I’m guessing intentionally so.
But can we talk about that statement for a second? (I’m leftist af and I strongly believe trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, just like everybody else; this has nothing to do with that.) I’m having a hard time accepting this statement.
I would obviously never support the misogynistic belief that women should (only) wear skirts/dresses. But as it turns out, the idea that dresses and long hair are inherently feminine (or that shorts and short hair are inherently masculine) also makes me uncomfortable. I recognize that a lot of people see it that way, but I don’t think that makes it right, or a belief that should continue to propagate.
I’m a dude, and I hope to see a day where I can grow out my hair and wear a dress without people assuming it means anything about me beyond that I like dresses and long hair.
(Please let me know if this is insensitive and I will remove my comment. I’m not interested in starting an unproductive or hateful discussion here)
Are you responding to me, or just the story in general? I basically agree with you entirely and don't have much to add to what you just said.
Well, except that long hair and long skirt-like clothing items were worn by men for hundreds of years; look at almost any painting from the middle ages lol
Why the fuck would people even have a problem with that? The lead poisoned generation which believes in jesus the crucified zombie telling everyone that THEY have a mental illness. I just wish conservatives would disappear.
Summer and Autumn get used as girl’s names ~1,200 per million and ~2,000 per million per year since the 1970s or so. “Fall” is only about 3 per million, “Winter” takes off with Game of Thrones TV show around 2011 leading to 600 per million, but was in use since the 70s to the tune of about 70-100 per mil.
(source: babycenter, but I’m not linking that ad-riddled excuse for a website)
Parents have been identifying their kids as seasons for decades.
January Jones was a famous actress for a minute. November Kelly is a popular podcaster. April, May, and June are all common girl's names.
Parents have been identifying their kids as seasons for decades.
Try millennia. You can find people named after months and seasons going back to antiquity. Hell, many of the months/seasons themselves were originally the names of ancient mythological gods and heroes.
Ah, missed that one. Thanks for pointing that out.
Looks like ~20 per mil for most every decade except a jump from the late ‘60s to late ‘70s peaking at about 180 per mil. Perhaps a byproduct of the flower power/ hippy movement in the ‘60s?
Oh my god, so what if they were? Why do they care? Let people be who they want to be. If you tell me, "I'm not a woman, I'm an autumn," I might think that's silly, but if that's what you want me to call you, fine. It doesn't hurt anyone, it doesn't exploit anyone, there's no harm in it at all.
I'd love to know if anyone who actually cares about this feels similarly about horoscopes or Meyers-Briggs assessments, two other completely fabricated ways of classifying people.
My Trumper father used to complain about things like choosing your gender being made up. It's all made up, dad! We literally make everything up, just some dipshits gatekeep what make believe is acceptable or not.
Why categorize anything at all or even have adjectives? The point is that we categorize things for the sake of clarity. I’m or course not mad about miscategorization, but it can have an impact on understanding. Something isn’t true just by saying it.
The case of gender identity isn’t a matter of letting them be what they want to be; it is letting them be what the are.
Of course nothing is really happening here, but even if it were, it would be fine to complain about people identifying as something absurd. Those people are usually mocking gender non-conformity so fuck that.
If people misunderstand how you identify yourself, it's not hard to correct them. If they keep doing it intentionally, they're being malicious.
It's funny that you ask "why categorize anything at all or even have adjectives" over people putting themselves in a certain category. I don't understand the question.
Conservatives are so fucking boring. The ones I’m forced to interact with talk about politics at a massively inflated rate compared to anyone else. It’s always shit that makes them angry too, like the only joy you can get out of life is righteous indignation.
Privileged white fuckers are the last people who have any right to be righteously indignant over anything right now, and that’s the majority of conservatives in America.
They can't WAIT to inject thag shit into EVERYTHING. Bro, I'm talking about gardening. I don't care that you believe Biden is the worst president of all time.
My dad was tricked with the "cat litter box" made-up moral panic. SMN has an episode on it (can't remember which one), but some people are too far gone to admit they've been deceived by made-up fox news.
I hate how Fux News describes Greg Gutfeld as the leader in late night. I mean, there are probably enough psychos out there watching that network to drive up those numbers, but Gutfeld is the same shit Fox News gives you in the daytime, with a light coating of late night talk show trappings.
Fox News. What a fucking turd. A bunch of people you wouldn't want to spend 5 minutes with telling you shit that makes no sense and lieing straight to your face to make you angry. No wonder trolls are so prevalent. Republicans worship them.
Identifying as a season? That's almost as ridiculous as identifying as the position of the stars and planets at your birth! You know, that thing that apparently millions of people actually do do. Maybe Fox should go after astrology. That might be a cause worth pursuing.
It takes no time or effort whatsoever to form an opinion about post like this. So people can vote on it immediately. Whereas actual news is more often complex - and might take some time to read and process before the reader understands what it is about. They aren't going to upvote it if they don't know what it is about. And even then, there is a tendency to only vote things that trigger some kind of emotional response. Post that neutrally inform the reader generally don't make people think "yes! Lets get more people to see this."
I can see people doing so sorta in the vein of how some people just accept that they’re very aligned to one of the roles of mother/maiden/crone. But as a gender? Maybe as a nonbinary gender that you only ever hear about on tumblr and Fox News?
Hey guys, we know one of ours is batshit crazy and blasting dogs and goats for no reason. So, what is our craziest ol faithful hate? Steve? Trans kids identify has fall.
Wow, look at that idiot! Sir, that's the head of the company! "Tonight! Are your kids identifying as seasons?"
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