Jesus, 10Gbps!? I'm paying $90 for "gigaspeed" AT&T fiber. But, I'm luckier than most, I have AT&T fiber and Metronet as fiber providers, as well as Spectrum and T-Mobile (but yuck to using 5G as my primary source of internet).
I know, it kinda sounds crazy, but at the same time it makes sense because after infrastructure the cost for the ISP is minimal. I mean upgrading to 25 Gbps is possible for just 70 bucks, so what can I say. Although my country is comparably small and I do live in the city. So it's not universally like that.
North America is insane with their internet costs.
Here in VN, I can get unlimited 4G for 40$ a year, and 100mbps symmetrical fiber for about 50$ a year. The biggest provider is the Army. Their customer service is actually pretty fast and good too!
The country can be huge but most people live in urban areas now, it's not like they've gotta waste time and money running fiber all over north dakota. We're talking cities with populations that rival some countries.
According to wikipedia Carrier pigeons typically travel ~1000km at ~100km/h and can carry 75g comfortably. a microsd card weighs about 0.5g and we have 1Tb ones now so our pigeon could carry about 150Tb per trip (sidenote that'll cost ~20K so packet loss would really suck) . that's an impressive 33Gb/s at the 1000km range. the 30million ms ping might be annoying though.
This really needs an update for each carrier to transport multiple packets at once.
Based on RFC2549 it seems each carrier can transport up to 10g. That's roughly 40 MicroSD cards. The current largest MicroSD cards are 2TB, so that's 80TB/carrier. It seems the smallest response time is 3,000s.
That means the theoretical top transfer rate could be roughly 213Gbps.
Edit: Although it seems the carriers could do as much as 75g. That's 300 MicroSD cards or 600TB. At 5km that makes 1.6Tbps!
1000/1000 for like $3 a month. But that's with the caveat of living in China, where I need a VPN to access most western websites, so that's my bottleneck.
Domestically I can get the full bandwidth when streaming (ton of English content available for cheap), but once I need to use the VPN it drops to maybe 200-300 mbit, depending on the server and current utilization.
Moving to Malaysia in less than 2 months where I can get 2gbit for about $90 (tested at my friend's house), but honestly I think I'll settle on 500. It's more than I can realistically use in a 2 person household, and it's like 20 bucks.
500 is the sweet spot, at least for downloads. I have it and it's fast enough for all my needs. Upload can be less, although I'd love to have more than the current 50. Good luck with your move!
Thanks a lot! Will be an interesting journey for sure.
And yeah that's what I thought, I had 100 asymmetrical before when living alone, and thought there's still room for improvement, but it's a declining balance really. My friend has a 4 person household and never even came close to utilizing his full bandwidth, he basically told me he took the biggest package just because he could.
Mine is supposed to be 100 / 100 and actually is. In Vietnam, symmetrical fiber-to-the-home is actually pretty common. I think I pay 5$ a month, or maybe a bit less.
Kind of crazy that Vietnam can provide better Internet service to their citizens than the US. Not to disparage Vietnam in any way, but you'd think a country with the largest economy in human history would be able to keep up.
Well, usually competition creates more efficient prices. So I guess somehow your telecoms companies are using strategies to avoid competing somehow.
On our end, we still have quite some parts of the economy that are planned. For example, I applied for my business license according to a particular 5-year plan, and there are only certain areas of the economy I'm allowed to participate in. I can't just one day pick up and decide that I'm going to start a butter factory or something.
The best Internet provider is literally the Army, but they weren't granted a monopoly. The post office and three or four other major providers exist in every city. So there's actually quite a healthy competition for customers, it seems this too was planned for. Things don't always work out this well, but at least for Internet it worked out pretty great.
As an aside, back when there wasn't enough money to fund State organs, they would sometimes be granted profitable businesses to stay afloat. Some bits of this are left -- you can stay at a beach hotel run by the police department in at least one city. It always seemed to me a smart way to get the country out of a bad situation. This is why the Army or the Post Office are licensed to to a bunch of profitable consumer services.
My router actually can't keep up Even with deep packet inspection and all the security features turned off I can't crack 1700. If I connect directly to their provided router I get the full 2K. (I have a first version unifi dream machine pro, the SE supposedly handles it just fine).
I could, but in reality, I barely ever max out even the 1 GBit. Steam is probably the only service that comes to mind. And whether I download a new game in 10 minutes or 1 minute doesn't really matter...
My day job is building ISP networks. It's been about 20 years since I had a home connection that I didn't configure up both ends of myself.
I've got a 1G / 500M tail into home where I am right now, not that that is particularly impressive. One of the jobs I've been putting off at work is standardising our usage of the 10G GPON platform available here in NZ, when I do that I'll get one of the >1G tails to use at home.
Usually the answer is how ever much I can be bothered building, but my usage is pretty low.
In saying that we were the first install of fibre in our village. Got a call the wee before it was meant to be installed something like “we have just turned on the fiver network, you are just around the corner from us you want us to install today?”
How's the rollout of the 10G stuff going? Seems like it's been coming "soon" for the last couple of years. Not that I could actually make use of 10G down.
We did an address check when we could first order it and about a third of the folks in the office could get it about a year and a half ago. I know the majority of the address checks that we do for commercial locations in tenders come up positive now.
It is not cheap to get an off the shelf router that does a solid job of forwarding multiple gigabits and the vast majority of folks ( me included ) probably will rarely notice the difference outside of speed tests. The last firewall build that I did for home was with a pair of virtual Linux boxes with 10G interfaces just so I could do a 2G or 4G GPON upgrade later on without having to throw everything out.
In New Zealand it seems like 10G GPON services are mostly cannibalizing high quality lit ethernet services at 1G and 10G subrate rather than replacing consumer tails. So more likely a business is going from spending $1500 a month on uncontended 1G to spending $400 a month on contended 4G, rather than a residential user going from spending $150 on 1000/500 to $280 on 2000/2000.
I live pretty rural and no service providers had any desire or plans to expand service to where I am. Best offering was 768kbps DSL.
I'm in a little bit of a valley with a ton of huge trees, so Starlink would cut out every 10-15 minutes. Cellular internet was...okay...but not fast enough for my needs.
I ended up paying a provider to dig a trench from a distant main road to my property and bury a fiber line direct for my use. It has a 99.99999% uptime guarantee which is nice.
I'll be paying for it for 10 years....but honestly, worth it.
"250 symmetrical", but my router usually reports around 270ish each way. Recently moved somewhere with fiber to the home.
Previously the cable co I was with kept sending notifications that they had "upgraded" my service. I went from like 100mbps down to like 300 down with them, but they never changed the 10mbps up...
But! If I had smartphone with MediaTek SoC (or root access), I could get 30-40Mbps. Currently I get this by using a VPN 24/7.
Lemmy explain:
My carrier (Swan) only has cell towers in 1800MHz band. They partnered with other carrier (Orange) to extend their coverage. Originally, this was done using so called "National roaming" in 2G and 3G. For purposes of internet connectivity, 2G is irrelevant. This was awesome as I could just manually choose Orange and get faster speeds. Unfortunately, Orange shut down their 3G network, and the license was updated so they now provide Swan with 4G except in 800MHz band.
What's different? It's not done via "National roaming" anymore, but the phone signs into Orange's network natively as Swan, without roaming, and it is not possible to manually select Orange anymore.
So, how would MediaTek help me?
They have "Engineer mode" *#*#3646633#*#* with "Band mode" selection where you can allow specific bands manually.
Remember that Swan only has towers in 1800MHz band? Yep, I could disallow that, and stick to Orange towers (also limiting myself from their B3 towers, but whatever).
I have tested that with my old MediaTek phone, and it works. So it's a functional concept.
(Same thing can be achieved on rooted Qualcomm and app like NSG)
I found one more workaround (no, not using a jammer which would be illegal). I found out that I won't get switched away from Orange as long as there is a continuous connection. So, I can take a bus into area without Swan coverage and connect to a VPN using OpenVPN TCP (didn't help with UDP), and then head back. Important thing is to never disconnect, not even for a second.
That's how I am currently on 2100MHz from Orange. I must stay connected 24/7.
We do not have internet at home, so this is all I have. Overnight downloads go brrr...
3.6mbps/3.4mbps unlimited, $50 a month. At least, that's what speedtest.net says it is at the moment. I think it's supposed to be 6, but such is the life of the countryside.
150Mbps advertised, 170Mbps in reality. 15Mbps up @CAD50/mo.
I had 1Gbps before but I monitored my usage: playing MMOs (<1Mbps, latency is important not bandwidth), watching Netflix (<10Mbps in HD, ~25Mbps if 4K) and minor stuff like Skype. iOS or Linux SW updates run in the background anyway and many servers were limited in their end. Only things that could very rarely max it out were bittorrent which I usually am not in any hurry with anyway, my BT machine runs 24/7. Most of the time my connection was almost idle.
So I downgraded and saved money for more important things. My building is getting a second fiber provider soon but it still starts at CAD70 for 500Mbps, so I'll pass.
25/10 for 65AUD/m (43USD/m). Australia, NBN (monopoly across entire country, technically government owned but run like a private corp because of politics). It's the lowest speed now available, but it's already overpriced. $780/year is far more than all of my wifi capable equipment is worth together, including laptops.
250/40 no caps, 70€/month, germany on the edge of a city. The city has fiber but we‘re not there yet. Stuff is slow in germany since telekom owns most of the infrastructure and is a private company that really needs to be disowned rn!
1200/35 for $120 US/month. I also own my own modem and router. Otherwise it would be another $15-$20/month.
Anything cheaper knocks my upload down to 20 and saves me very little. Viewing my options now hides upload rates but I checked a few months ago when my promotional rate expired and the price jumped $40.
1000/20 is $115, 800 is $110, 500 is $105, 300 is $90, 150 is $68
Any competitors don't qualify as broadband anymore. Maybe 35/5? I didn't even bother checking the price.
At least it's fairly stable and "unlimited" but I'm fairly sure they can say that and still cap it at 200GB/month or something. Oh, and I can connect their surveillance device... I mean "free streaming box"... and get Peacock at no extra cost!
Do you own the house? Both coaxial cable and CAT6 (or CAT5) cable is extremely cheap and doesn't really require any special tools or know-how to run. Obviously I have no idea what your situation is, but it might be worth replacing the cable yourself.
Nope, its an apartment I rent and I can't redo the cabling myself because the building is owned by several parties so the stairwell belongs to everyone and I could be kicked out if I do it without being allowed.
Which is weird because I'm not in a city and live in a small town of less than 20k people
Not weird at all. It’s much easier to run fiber in a small town than in a large city. Cities are denser and more crowded. It’s also more crowded underground. In a city you might have to close streets, you need to be more careful when digging because of all the other stuff underground.
All that makes it cheaper and easier to install fiber in small towns or smaller, less dense cities.
Theoretically? 100. It only works in specific, uncrowded areas, and then only sometimes.
Practically, as in 80% of scenarios? Anywhere from 10 to as low as 0.03. It's bad enough that in some places I can't even load a basic website, as I can't even crack 1mbps. I also often get the "connected, no Internet" crap.
In a relatively small US city, 600/600 mbps fiber and I actually get it 24/7. I could get 1200, 2400 or even 5000 but I don’t see any point. Heck I can get 700/35 on my iPhone (overnight).
£21/mo for a 100Mb/s VDSL connection split at 80/20: speeds as advertised, ~10ms latency. I'm living in the centre of a large market town in the North of England.
Two doors down, my neighbour is paying £25/mo for symmetric gigabit FTTP with negligible latency, but the fibre network doesn't extend to my property. Fuckers.
Oh, I also have a backup/travel LTE service which provides about a 1150Mb/s down and 300Mb/s up with 20ms latency which costs me £18/mo.
Home connection is advertised at 1Gbps, but tests at more like 100Mbps. It's around 65USD/month. This is a good deal for Canada, and probably only possible because it's attached to a much more expensive cable and phone plan.
Edit: Or 1,000,000,000,000 millibits/second per the title, haha.
No, Finland. I've got fibre installed to my house but it would cost me 30€/month when 4G is 10€/month so for a frugal person like me it's a nobrainer which I'm going to choose.
it's supposed to be 100mb/s but in reality it's about 0.5mb/s, I've seen it drop as low as 5kb/s (my landlord is a cheapscate and won't replace the busted wifi extender in my uni dorm block)
500/500 but average 530+ both ways for $50/month. Up to 5 gigabit is available in my area.
EDIT - In the US the FCC just upped what is considered "broadband" to 100/20 , which still seems sad for upload, but at least moving in the right direction. It was an awful 25/3 before.
500 down and 40 up through Spectrum (east coast of the US). I'm always quite surprised with how well WiFi 6 works, I can pull down the full 500 from my Steam Deck and PC - ironically the network transfer is implemented badly as I'll get about 100 down over the local network so it's faster to download over the Internet.
75/70 at 23 euros a month. It's cheap and enough for our family to simultaneously stream HD content.
Gigabit internet is available but I'm not really sure it's necessary. My son has 14 ping while gaming. That's satisfactory.
150/20 over LTE. It's good enough, although we used to have 1000/150 when we still lived in an apartment. Upgrade of living came with a downgrade in internet speed.
Pay for 500/500 but am eligible to get as high as 1500/1500. Don't really see the need. Ping to Boston is almost always 7-14ms. Really lucky to be able to get fibre to the home after so many years of piss poor unreliable cable that would go down weekly
390 down/340 up. I pay for 300/300, and it always tests higher, and at a price less than I paid for 100/10 service from the cable company. And it has about 1/3rd the latency as cable. Love having fiber. Worth noting that cable went to 300/20 as soon as fiber came to the neighborhood for the same price they charged before. Competition rules.
Maybe I'll have to call in and complain. Seems to be the only time the get things working. I originally got the 1Gig plan because it had the highest available upload they had because I used to sometimes stream. I have an SB8200 so there shouldn't be anything preventing higher uploads.
Wonder if a competitor moved into your area. Only reason Comcast ever seems to make improvements is when a competitor with something better rolls into town.
The better upload requires using their modem/router, or one of the specific users owned ones that are approved by them to work with the mid-split tech. While my old modem could technically do it, it wasn't "approved" for the speed. I was limited on upload to 35 but could usually hit 45 from over provisioning. I had to buy a new modem but now I get 1400/200. They just flipped the switch on being able to use consumer owned hardware at all with the mid-splits this fall.
500mbps at £35 per month with the first 3 months free. In the UK and not the first time with provider. Took me an hour of haggling on the phone, the trick was to pretend I found a better deal elsewhere but wished to stick with my provider.
34230000000mbps (mili bits per second)(I love SI units) down and 17080000000mbps up
The reliability is horrendous. Pings vary from 200 to few thousand. Sometimes speeds drop below 1Mbps. Double CGNAT. I think my internet is provided by someone in their garage with 15y old equipement over the air.
$80/month for 300Mbps down/10 Mbps up, Southeastern US. Consistently get higher download speeds than advertised, currently around 350Mbps. Upload speed is never more than 10Mbps.
Tops at ~250mbps with Starlink. We barely have internet here otherwise, it was on the order of a handful of kbps. Took the better part of a day to download a couple hundred megabytes... Imagine the change lol
It costs me 70€ a month. They recently lowered their residential offering to 40€ but it's only applicable in mainland France,... we have to shell out the classic 70€
15’000/15’000 65 chf/month (~70$/month). No cap. Native IPv6 (with static IP subnet and reverse DNS if you want), Free IPTV on multicast. With a bit of extra you can have Static IPv4 or even the ability to run your own Autonomous System and have BGP at home.
Here in Zurich/Switzerland.
But there aren’t consumer router that can handle this speed so I need to have a workstation on 24/7 for routing that </first world problems>
1000Mbps each direction. No caps. There's options for faster but it's almost unheard of that I can saturate the link as it is (and nearly all of my hope network doesn't go faster)
I got pretty lucky, there's actually 3 carriers in the area that I can choose from which is probably partly why the options are good. Although I'm paying I think $80/month. I should switch carriers again or try to cancel my current one to try to get a deal, I guess.