Depends. He seems pretty out of it right now and I don't know how much he would really accomplish. He's also pretty old and unhealthy.
But if he comes back angry and the people around him are effective, then yeah we would start looking for other places to live. I'm not trying to live in a Russian-style handmaid's tale.
I don't think it's dramatic to suggest Trump may actually put an end to our democracy though. Another Lemmy commenter summed it up best. They pointed out that we on the left may have disagreed with McCain or Bush, but we never once feared that they would seize power or leave NATO. We trusted them to at least keep the ship afloat and respect the basic tenants of our free and democratic nation.
With Trump, we don't have that. All bets are off because he's an unhinged narcissist. He would leave NATO and risk the Pax Americana that has stabilized the world for almost 100 years now. And he would do it for money, for negative attention, or just because someone told him he couldn't. America has some pretty major faults but China and Russia are not ready to take the reigns. Say what you will about the West but we at least endeavor to protect human rights. I think anyone who isn't trying to build on the current Western peace is incredibly dangerous in a very scary way.
Everyone should read their Project 2025 plan, they plan on consolidating power by firing or arresting any non Right winger in power or employed by the government, among many other fascistic power consolidation wet dreams:
https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/project-2025
https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2023/11/17/project-2025-democratic-doomsday/
https://www.advocate.com/news/project-2025-republicans-maga
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/16h9fqe/what_is_the_deal_with_project_2025/
I humbly request you post this in https://lemmy.cafe/c/benjamingetthemusket
Make the thread and I'll pin it
He would leave NATO and risk the Pax Americana that has stabilized the world for almost 100 years now.
Stabilizing the world is just flat out wrong. At best, the US has stabilized itself and a select few allies. Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan most recently, along with a whole bunch of countries in Central and South America over the last 100 years would probably feel quite strongly that the US has been a disruptive force for them.
As a devout lefty who thinks America and capitalism need a lot more checks and balances, I have to somewhat disagree with you.
When we talk peace, we are talking relative terms. And I suppose I should also add prosperity into the mix.
I think the West has enabled a period of relative peace and prosperity never before seen. And I think it's getting, overall, better every day. Technology and capitalism, for all their evils, have lifted billions out of poverty and saved billions of lives.
I'm sure the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empires would agree with you, haha.
They pointed out that we on the left may have disagreed with McCain or Bush, but we never once feared that they would seize power or leave NATO.
They were saying all of the same things about W. Bush in 2004.
We trusted them to at least keep the ship afloat and respect the basic tenants of our free and democratic nation.
Not at all. The left viewed W. Bush as a wannabe dictator, not much different from how Trump is viewed now.
I did not view Bush at all like Trump. Really disliked his political takes on most things and thought he was embarrassingly dumb some times but it never ever even crossed my mind that he was a threat to the republic. And actually admired his composure and leadership after 9/11. They're not even remotely comparable.
I viewed Bush as an incompetent moron with business cronies crawling in to every spot in his administration. I don't recall people saying he was a wannabe dictator, he had at least some respect for the Constitution and the electoral process. Trump on the other hand, put extreme pressure on the DoJ to direct investigations away from him, minimize their impact or bury them as best as possible. His administration freaking extradited a convicted Russian agent back to her home country because she was funneling money and propaganda to the GOP through the NRA. Trump is a wannabe dictator, he didn't get to be one because he didn't have to spine to follow through with his coup because he knew he needed the thinnest amount of plausible deniability to give his GOP sycophants cover to justify letting him off the hook if it failed.
how about the opposite view: trump supporters feel Trump will be good. He will allow the USA to become much more independent and cut off paying for other nations' wars. why should we pay for them? there is no need for america to be the guardian of democracy or anything. We just want to live god-fearing lives and raise good families. We don't need the rest of the world. Our military can stomp out any invaders.
He will allow the USA to become much more independent and cut off paying for other nations' wars. He will allow the USA to become much more independent and cut off paying for other nations' wars.
Kowtowing to countries like China and Russia, allowing them to win strategic victories, will make them more powerful and give them more influence on US politics. Ie. the US would become less independent.
You don't become more independent by telling countries like China that you give up.
In the case of Ukraine, they're one of the world's top exporters of grain, which is in part why food prices have been rising globally.
We don't need the rest of the world.
You do. The world has globalised. At least 40 million American jobs are directly reliant on exports. The rest of the world also produces stuff like oil. Fuel prices would skyrocket.
A lot of unprofitable stuff has also been moved overseas. It would cost money to make it in the US. Many resources are also rare in the US. Stuff like rare-earth elements. Good luck importing from countries which have signed deals with China, because they're the new super power. Combined with de-dollarisation this would also cause massive issues, rampant inflation for example. You think it's bad now? You ain't seen nothing yet.
Our military can stomp out any invaders.
No one needs to invade the US. It's cheaper to simply buy a candidate or blackmail him. This allows countries like China to push through legislation which favours their business and strategic interests. Eg. dropping support for Ukraine or dropping support of Taiwan so that China can take control of advance chip industries.
In the long term, the US would find it hard to sustain a huge military budget when facing economic turmoil and a debt crisis. Especially in relative terms. China has a population of 1.4 billion. If the US withdraws from the Asia-Pacific and Europe, they're likely to become part of the Chinese sphere of influence. A country of 300 million, will inevitably be pushed around by a power bloc of 3 billion.
Of course, none of this will convince a Trump supporter, because most base their support on emotions not reason. And once they find they can't afford to fill up on gas, or groceries, they'll blame anyone but themselves.
Well how about doing anything remotely Godly? I mean seriously, the stuff ol Jesus H Christ tried teaching y'all seems to have been completely missed. You lot would call him "Woke".
I'm glad you stick to the "I'm a Christian" lark, as if there is a hell, you'll be more than likely heading there.
We just want to live god-fearing lives and raise good families.
And the main difference between us is that I don't really care if you do that, while your friends will label my future family with two dads as a gross perversion that calls for state intervention in order to prevent the terrible abuse of a child having two loving parents that happen to both be men, as if it's not abusive to raise a child under the terror of thinking that they're always being watched and will be tortured for all eternity if they wind up being attracted to the same gender. But ultimately, that's your life and I'll leave you to it. I'd just ask for the same courtesy.
It's ironic that people who want to live "God-fearing lives" are basically choosing to worship the antichrist. Because that's what Trump is. You know people by their actions, not whatever bull crap they spout to get reelected.
God fearing lives != raising good families
You have to pick one or the other.
You should be fearful of your god because if he’s real you’re fucked.
And that's the issue. That "we" represents fewer than half of Americans. The past three times Republicans have won has been only because a person in S. Dakota's vote counts for more than a person in California.
Oh yeah living a God fearing life sounds amazing. Nothing I like more than constantly fearing an invisible sky person will send me to a fiery hell if I don't constantly worship him.
Quite simply, he said he'd do all that in his first term and he didn't.
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As another commenter rightfully pointed out - you don't get to be independent and isolationist at the same time.
Indigenous island tribes may have had this luxury for a time, but once your nation is known by another nation, it's compete or die.
China and various other countries would immediately start filling the power vacuum. Your standard of living would drop immensely and your grandchildren would be consuming Chinese culture within a decade or two at most. The American dollar, America's total dominance in science/culture/medicine, the spread of the English language - these could all be wiped out fairly quickly if America just threw up its hands and said we were done.
What you're suggesting would be like Apple saying they're going to take it easy and just stick with the iPhone 15 for good. The result would be an immediate power grab and some other company would pull ahead, leaving Apple so far behind they'd never catch up again.
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Absolutely
i'll worry about it if and when it happens. i have wasted too much time, energy and resources worrying and catastrophizing about things i cannot control.
Not a bad idea to consider a plan though. If you'd want to move away, that's a major decision that is best made through research and deliberation, not in a fearful rush to escape.
So in other words, you plan to let yourself and your family be killed so you can feel better.
What the fuck can I do? Just be even more depressed about the state of the country
If we make plans, and post them on the internet, people start throwing around words like "premeditated" and it just makes things harder.
I love this. "We have a plan but we can't tell you.". Peak uselessness.
Sounds like the impeachment proceedings going on right now. That’s Reeepubs for ya.
I’ll sigh, shake my head, and think, “That figures”. And then I’ll go to work, like every other day.
This but perhaps crippling depression as well.
This is the default answer
what else can we do in a country like this with the candidates and party system we have? it would be nice to have real elections and options.
Voting is important, I also like to think about other tangible ways to build power - like what is power? It's being able to eat, having a place to live, having healthcare, saying what I want, associating with who I want, deciding how I spend my time.
I think about how the Mondragon complex, probably the largest worker cooperative in the world, started in Franco's Spain, and turned one of the poorest regions into one of the wealthiest.
I'd like to think I would stay and work to gain more power for myself and my peers - I want to stay and join/start a worker cooperative. I want to see a massive ecosystem of worker owned enterprises, which will translate to tangible power. Getting organized means being better able to fight off the kind of oppression Trump promises.
Lose my last shred of faith in this country, mostly
Looool look at this guy, he still has some faith left
Kicking him out did restore a nonzero amount yes.
Take a shot for every comment saying "Move to Canada" :)
As much of a joke as it is, that's a real option for me. Won't pull the trigger on day one, but you bet your ass I'll be ready to go at a moments notice.
There are currently only 8 or 9 "move to Canada" comments; you'll need more before the number of shots is sure to kill you.
It's completely understandable! I wouldn't want to be in the US either if I were American and Canada seem pretty chill in comparison.
Sashay to french canaday
You think you're... you're BETTER than me?! Huh?!
The same plan I have every election, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.
To prove our mousey worth
and overthrow the Earth.
Before the night is done,
our plan will be unfurled.
By the dawning of the sun,
we’ll take over the world.
Watch Democrats blame people they were actively hostile towards for not enthusiastically waiting for hours in the cold to vote for them.
Then watch the world's longest-running uninterrupted democracy with the world's largest military and the world's largest nuclear arsenal become a fascist dictatorship. Maybe I'll die quickly and have a chance to be envied.
Fix your messaging, Dems. Pretend he's a progressive and oppose him.
ackchtually russia has the most nukes
Honestly, just point to his examples of government overreach! Heck if Dems really wanted to hurt him, do some overreach that they want to do anyway and make sure that they thank the man, heck say without him this would be impossible and that if we don't take advantage of it someone else will!
Just go hard on red flag laws, just use those bad boys up on all of their opponents, and say "Trump was awful for a lot of things, but thank god he got some of the strongest anti gun laws on the books in decades, without him, we couldn't have gone after this dangerous far right militia, he really made this inevitable."
Just go hard on red flag laws,
Democrats don't "go hard" on anything.
I already moved. It's not just Trump that's the problem, and even if he loses in 2024, or does in office, the issues still will persist. America needs to figure out how to make the judicial system work properly and norms need to be codified. Vast swaths of the population need to change their culture of "us vs them".
I won't be going back, the way things work with Republicans, you can't just move to a blue state, you have to move out of the country.
Voting.
Local. State. Federal. Like I always have. I also moved out of a "shithole" state in the words of our treasonous former president.
With China having a severe gender imbalance and a massive generation (age) imbalance, it's going to cause all sorts of problems for them soon. Big, big fucking problems. And Russia just had all their young men flee, die stupidly, or decide Russia might not be the best place after they've released shittons of violent offenders, lol. Russia's future looks dim at best. Iran isn't looking too healthy either.
So the bottom line is this: no matter where you go, you aren't outrunning a shift to a multipolar world, especially one where resources like fresh water and food will be getting more scarce as climate change fucks the world and countries get more desperate, particularly authoritarian ones that are losing a tenuous grip on their people. That shit always causes wars, because humans are too fucking stupid to prioritize science in any other context.
Countries with democracy and immigration and the means to defend themselves and their friends are your best bet. Our fate and your own fate are intrinsically linked because of that.
Usually I'd grab my bucket of popcorn and watch another 4 years of the shitshow that is US politics.
Unfortunately, this time the same kind of shitshow is happening across the pond in quite a few countries (not just the usual eastern ex-soviet states), including my country. Populist morons fueled by the Trump, Bolsonaro, Le pen, Orbán cookbook.
People are eating this up on social networks and voting for them. I feel it's going to get real nasty.
Yeah! What's so delightful about things is how the U.S. tends to kind of set the climate for the politics in the west. The nazi party here in Sweden wasn't doing bad per se, but after Trump's victory they skyrocketed! They became the second biggest party last election, beating out the milquetoast bourgeoisie for the first time ever.
Believe Italy has the same issue currently. Lovely stuff.
Mind you I'm not blaming the U.S., it's just that big headlines over there tends to colour ours too.
It's just a little bit of History repeating
Not just western countries, either. You even see countries like China and Russia devolving too, collecting power, raising to the poverty index to make it look like russians aren't starving, making term limits virtually indefinite, jailing opponents.
Only thing is that they've got a head start on making bad decisions, China since 2012, Russia since the 00s.
to continue to live my life
How, when being targeted, jailed or killed under fascism?
Set up monthly donations to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, volunteer as a PP escort, open up my (Illinois) home to women and families who need to travel for reproductive healthcare.
This isn't off the top of my head, my spouse and I discussed it years ago, before the previous election.
Hehehe PP escort.
I imagine a number of famous people will talk about how they're moving to Canada, and don't.
Same as I've been doing since he won last time. Stay in my more liberal home state, extend understanding to friends and relatives who live in conservative states, extend invitations to the few who might need to move to keep themselves safe. Keep donating and volunteering with the organizations I've been supporting.
I have a friend who is thinking about seeking asylum in the US. I have encouraged her to weigh her other options; there are other countries where she has friends and family that might be more welcoming to her. If Trump gets elected, I'm not sure she'll even have a viable path to the US.
With that group of asshats it all depends on one important criteria for your friends acceptance:
Fortunate enough to also have EU citizenship, so I've already made arrangements to leave the country in that case. Will keep voting from overseas, though.
Inb4 voting from overseas becomes illegal as a result of some rage filled GOP bill about illegals
Republicans are trying their damnedest to make voting illegal and/or overly burdensome even within the United States, so good luck there.
Why would you leave because of this though?
continue being annoyed by the level of corruption and incompetence of the US ruling class while existing in a visibly collapsing empire.
Nothing I can do. Just do my best to finish out at college (assuming financial aid is still a thing) and move out of the country ASAP.
Move out of the country, *and still have to pay taxes 😂
A lot of countries have tax treaties with each other as long as they're in good standing with each other, so that people only need to pay tax in one country (in the case where one maintains citizenship in one country while working in another). Unless you're making a shit ton of money to the point you're subject to different rules, it's highly unlikely you'll be double taxed
Wish I could say that I'd move to another country, but realistically I can't afford that. I'd guess I'd live life as normal but I'd always be paranoid at the increased risk of violence against trans people.
Probably get sent to a concentration camp. Dunno if California will secede from the union to preserve human rights, if it comes between secession or letting the DHS collect all our immigrants and non-trad women.
Nah California won't leave. It is about power structure. Since leaving has no chance of success no one running things will go along with it.
Yeah, you're right. What I can see California do, assuming it wants to stay a progressive bulwark, is act like Texas when Texas is feeling independent, and start asserting legal resistance to its contribution to federal revenues. Also, the legalization of cannabis is getting pushed through independent states unwilling to enforce federal law or cooperate with federal law enforcement. California may just do that, forcing the federal government to send its agents to do its own policing.
This is going to be an interesting civil war.
What nonsense. Do you actually believe in those fantasy hysterics?
Be a constant reminder to my neighbors to avoid authoritarianism. Continue to push for self and local community reliance. Keep pushing my local governments and organizations to remain or become more inclusive.
Something new though? Maybe support an inclusive civics focused militia near me, if for no other reason so that marginalized people can feel like they have a community that will really fight for them or at least help them defend themselves if things really get that bad.
Donations to the ACLU. They seem like the best bet for the hardest fight of preserving the rights of immigrants. Among all the other things, they have to defend against as well.
Being an immigrant I'll likely have my plans made for me.
If it makes you feel better I have sheltered immigrants from deportation twice and since you never see one of anything in life there probably are more people like me out there.
Buy a gun, I guess?
The time to buy a gun is before the fascists arrive at your door.
Don't forget to train too!
Why not go ahead and buy one today?
Continue living in not America. Continue, as an overseas voter, to vote for things I believe in. Do everything I can to get ranked choice to be a thing everywhere and otherwise eliminate the firat-past-the-post bullshit that exists today
Do everything I can to get ranked choice to be a thing everywhere and otherwise eliminate the firat-past-the-post bullshit that exists today
Would you do this part regardless of who wins?
Yes. The first-past-the-post and weird two-party thing going on in the US is awful and needs to be gone. There are potentially other solutions, but ranked-choice voting seems to be a good start. There are whole rabbitholes about the electoral college, proportional representation, and other things to get into, but my coffee hasn't kicked in yet this morning.
Send him Big Macs every single day and wait for him to have a heart attack.
I'm a queer immigrant so flee. I'm not sticking around for whatever comes after that unless we somehow get a significant majority in Congress
I don't blame you. Start your plan early so you don't have any doors shut on you.
Make sure I have enough meds and reach out to friends to make sure they're safe and are able to get their HRT.
If he makes it illegal to be prescribed, would it be possible to mail order it from canada or elsewhere?
There are sites out there where you can order from overseas. I haven't, but have heard from other online friends that have. I've seen it mostly used by people in the UK waiting years in order to be prescribed hormones.
Start doing whatever I can to keep your conservatism out of canada
Bro, I got bad news for you, coming straight from Alberta...
As a Minnesotan... You guys got any room for another province? We've got this Minnesota nice thing, hot dish, and the mayo clinic.
Don't listen to them Canada, it's just a casserole with a disarming accent. Absorb Washington instead, we've got chicken teriyaki and won't talk your ear off.
My boyfriend is Swiss, and there's been a loose open conversation over where we'd want to end up settling long-term. A second Trump term would definitely add several points in the Switzerland column.
Keep working, drinking, and sleeping. Not much else to do no matter who wins.
Underground railroad for repressed minorities to escape.
Win or lose we're buying guns.
Do so now before prices spike. Keep in mind, there is a high learning curve with firearms. Even the simple safety rules require practice to make them unbreakable habits.
There are 4 safety rules that if you follow you will never have an issue. If you can't follow these 4 simple rules, maybe rethink having a firearm.
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Treat every firearm as if it is loaded. ...
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Always point the muzzle in a safe direction. ...
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Be certain of your target and what's beyond it. ...
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Keep your finger outside the trigger guard until ready to shoot.
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Don't forget ammo, training, and proper storage
I would be surprised if he wins. It really feels like his time has passed. But if he does I will use resistbot to its fullest capacity.
I don’t think there will be a presidency after him if he does though. I think people generally underestimate the violence it will bring.
Not to mention, they are very used to making poor decisions (see: invasions of Afghanistan & Iraq) and also not fighting back when their elections are stolen or interfered with. (See: Brooks Brother Riot and Trump election)
Good luck dummies!
TIL about resistbot
Same, link for anyone interested
Lettters to reps are valuable, in the "we got ten for and a hundred against" sense, but I would love to have more tangible ways to make a difference.
Youre right about the violence if he does, but I think its much more likely than anyone wants to admit. I'll be extremely and pleasently surprised if he doesnt win with the way the wind is blowing
I wouldn't be surprised. He doesn't exactly have the strongest opponent. I like to look at prediction markets to get an idea of what the odds are, and it looks like the gamblers currently think there's only a 52% chance of a Democrat winning the presidency. But, it's really hard to tell what will happen right now. Trump, Biden, or both could die before the election. We may begin a recession. OPEC is cutting oil production, with some people hypothesizing it is to influence the U.S. election. Russia and other countries will likely ramp up disinformation like we've never seen before, powered by the new AI bots and deepfake technology.
Honestly I have no idea. I live in the midwest and I am rather poor, so I imagine I will just start hording canned food and glare at people through the curtains like usual
I'm working to set up connections to folks in Canada that will be willing to relocate LGBTQ folks across the border.
Kind of odd to ask because of its latitude. But are there any warmer places in Canada really? Does it snow a decent amount everywhere or are some areas different? I know this might be too niche but I figured I'd ask a most likely native.
Vancouver and Seattle have basically the same weather patterns. lots of rain, annoyingly muggy summers, and mild winters.
Source: vancouverite
If you're considering Canada, don't vote Conservative
Hurry and buy a new graphics card before the prices go crazy again.
Underrated answer. Feels like we see a lot of price fixing under that guy's watch.
Edit: I don't mean to minimize the damage that guy does. But I think there's value in remember that he'snobody's allly.
Don't forget to stock up on masks and toilet paper while you're at it.
Just keep going about my daily life. The result of the election is not going to change where I live or where I work. The Federal Government doesn't have much of an impact on my day to day life, beyond federal laws and regulatory agencies. I don't see those changing in an (immediately) catastrophic way. Most of my day to day life is determined by my state and town government.
Right. All the folks who have a strong opinion on the presidency probably don’t know who thier rep is in the state congress.
Nor could most Trump fans (or detractors, tho a higher percentage of them could I guess) tell one executive directive from the next or even tell me where they are kept.
We all understand he can in no way actually be allowed to retake that office again, correct? I don't give one flying fuck if he wins, or not. He cannot under any circumstances be allowed.
How is that going to work? January 6th two.. electric.. storming the capital...?
It would probably need to be a military-backed coup that goes along with a serious majority backing.
I was honestly more worried that to sesatans would hold his shit together and manage to get Trump to endorse him, transferring the QAnons and moderate Republicans into a relatively strong voting force, while Biden is digging his heels in on Israel, It would be particularly damning.
But, Trump, I feel that we can mobilize pretty well against him. Especially with him doubling down on racist tirades and dictator day one stuff.
How fascist of you
Maybe it is. But he's even more fascist, and will have a global effect. It cannot happen under any circumstances. That man is fucking comic book villain evil.
I've been visiting English speaking countries and kind of scouting where might be a good option if America had a serious issue. Canada would be my first choice because of proximity and shared values. New Zealand #2, then probably UK or Ireland.
I'm a cybersecurity professional with a lot of experience and I hope that would be welcomed in most countries but idk. I don't want to move, and would stick around for a bit to see initially how things go but if it kicks right back to 2020's level of insanity I'm 100% out.
The braindrain will be noticeable. It feels a bit like all the famous Jewish scientists that Germany would have proudly claimed as citizens except for that Germany would have killed them before they accomplished anything.
Hopefully, this will be nothing like that. But Trump has supporters. It blows my mind, but they are numerous. In terms of polling, Trump's dictator talk isn't old news yet. I have some hope that polling might show that it spooked some supporters.
Just preempt some replies, please note when someone expresses "some hope", telling them that they're likely wrong isn't exactly insightful.
Fwiw it has spooked my traditionally conservative parents, they don’t follow politics much but as the GOP has moved further and further right it’s pretty much driven them away. So while anecdotal they have always sort of acted as the pulse of the nation (to me) for that demographic. I seriously don’t think he’ll win again but I would never bet on it.
Cybersecurity is definitely in demand in Canada but we are also going through a housing affordability crisis and generally our tech salaries are lower in compared with the US. You would almost certainly be taking a step back in standard of living unless you swing a remote work situation from a US employer.
I think I’d be taking a step back in any country besides the US, I think. In Canada the people are fantastic and hockey is everywhereso I think that makes up for it in a few ways . My honest only real concern is US instability also eventually affecting Canada too. So might make sense to be further away.
I don’t want to move though largely like my life in the US as is at the moment.
Hey, I also am (becoming) a CyberSecurity professional. What are some entry level positions I should go to with a degree?
Studying cybersecurity helps, but you're not likely to get a job in cybersecurity until you have had multiple years of experience in development in a software company, from my experience in the US in the tech industry.
I hope somebody directly within the cybersecurity field can recommend a specific career path, but my anecdotal experience is that you have to work a few years before you will be considered for something security related.
It's good to learn your security concepts, schooling should help with that. After that, I would gravitate towards learning the security around newer commercially viable but immature technology and seek positions around that area whether in security or not. To me, if I was just starting out I'd look towards AI and Machine Learning, which isn't a very unique answer but probably the correct one for the fastest advancement in this path. Learn the different types of models, learn what kind of attacks their susceptible to, the security controls and mitigation techniques for defending these systems. It changes frequently, pay attention to Github's trending section to see where the tech world's focus is as a decent barometer of where things are heading (not necessarily where things currently but going towards).
Overall security is needed everywhere so get a taste of a lot flavors and see which ones you like best, you'll likely be able to find a job there.
How is immigrating to NZ like? Is Canada less toxic to foreigners than the US, i hope?
I'm praying for a convenient lightning bolt, or the human equivalent, to take him out. Honestly, a massive heart attack would do.
Don't make him a martyr.
Okay, he falls down the steps and breaks his neck. And shits himself loudly the whole way.
Well since I've been very vocally liberal and anti-Trump over the past 8 years or so, I suspect I'll end up dying in a labor camp.
I don't have the means to get out of the county beforehand or I'd already be out, and I think there's effectively no country that's going to be willing to take political refugees from the United States afterwords, so I'm pretty well fucked.If you honestly think the US under Trump is going to put liberals in labor camps despite watching his whole first term flounder on anything that wasn't already galvinized by the GOPs platform I think you need to watch less sensationalized news.
My concerns are generally not Trump as a person, but rather that his handlers are more organized and prepared. As an individual I think DeSantis is much more concerning, as far as actually implemented policy that is in effect and damaging today, and he's also going to be around for a long time.
I don't think liberals are going to labor camps any time soon, but life could be much more difficult for many marginalized groups as conservatives seek out the new boogyman now that abortion doesn't work as well.
Try not to slip on all that piss you're constantly wetting yourself with
don't worry too much buddy, the worst that can happen is your political view gets relentlessly strawmanned, treated as an attack on freedom, and most of the internet will find it acceptable to openly mock, ridicule, and threaten you for your beliefs and overexaggerate the candidate most closely associated with your point of view (whether true or not) as an unstable hateful fascist dictator, as well as adopting the most dramatic persecution complex possible, whining that their election will result in your shunning and death.
Oh wait...
I will legit try to find countries with constitutions and parliaments that I could relocate to to live and work. The American constitutional Republic will be over if Trump becomes President again.
He'll certainly start his retribution with the big fish of anti Trump people and organizations, but it won't take long for it to "trickle down" to everyday people as well.
I'm lucky enough that it's feasible for me to find work in my field outside the US. Others aren't so lucky.
Ireland's pretty decent if it comes to it. Culturally reasonably similar, English speaking and most importantly, not England.
Only messing, neighbours ;)
Continue on as a wage slave hoping to get like a couple weeks vacation eventually.
If it happens and I'm still in this hell hole probably just die.
some of us are not allowed to vote so doing the same thing as the last election
hope people one day quit voting for one of the demopublicans and choose some third party
as an american dissident unable to vote it feels like trapped in a country that does not want us deciding things or having a voice of any kind just here to be a disposable warm body
yes it is like that rick and morty episode with the body theme park you know things are dying and rotting and falling apart around you but that is the extent of your powers unless someone on the outside intervenes
Luckily I'm already out of the country but I don't think will go well if that happens.
Every now and then I have to remind myself that America was founded by religious nutjobs and colonized by industrialists.
I plan to leave the country anyway. Shit’s getting too weird in the US.
Where do you plan to go and how do you plan to get a visa?
Depends on what he does. Since I'm in the least likely demographic to be targeted (hmm, unless they start going through political groups I've been a member of), probably the same as I'm doing now. If it looks like there will be a civil war, I'd probably try to leave the country, but I guess that'd be too late, and I think a civil war is unlikely. I don't think many people would be willing to give their lives for... the Democratic party? I think the U.S. will become more like Russia (fake elections in red states [ensuring the Republican party the presidency and congress forever], more brutal police oppression, erosion of rights, opposition leaders falling out of windows, and encouragement of vigilante "justice" against whoever the "enemy" is at the time). I think protests and riots would be the most people would do, and they'd likely be met with increasingly deadly force.
Since covid, I make sure I keep a few months of non-perishables and water on hand in case of temporary supply chain disruptions, and I have plenty of wood to heat or cook with if needed. If there is a severe economic downturn (which is likely to happen in the unstable environment Trump would provide), and I couldn't find another well-paying job, I'd probably lose my home for not being able to pay my mortgage though.
I live in a very conservative place in the south where even the queer people are here pretty conservative hopefully he doesn't win... Didn't think I needed to spell it out until I remembered the people I live around so yeah I guess it makes sense 🥲
Just die I guess
Part of me thinks we get what we deserve.
Except it's not we. The majority's vote is overruled by the electoral college.
Same as if Biden wins in 2024.
Or, assuming that one of them has a heart attack or something before then, Nikki Haley or Kamala Harris or whoever.
The same shit I did today
Lisbon, though we have some other ideas. We went through the process of research and consideration a few years ago and were seriously going to move. We didn't and are glad for that, and glad to have gone through that process in case we decide to leave.
Im not american but i would jump off a cliff if that happens
Continue to live my life. The president has much less to do with the daily lives of Americans than the media would lead you to believe. They represent only one of the three branches of government.
"The Chancellor has much less to do with the daily lives of Germans than the media would lead you to believe." -- Folks who died in concentration camps, probably
Three branches of government? I'm sure the unilateral executive theory won't have any problems here and "checks and balances" will happen. /s
To leave the country
I’ve been practicing my French for a reason. Not good enough to make a move to France yet but Canada or UK/Ireland with regular trips to France to work on it might be in the books.
It won’t be immediate, I’ll wait to see what happens but if the fascist shit keeps up I’m dipping.
Good luck finding housing in Canada, bud.
As someone who keeps up on the news a lot, I gather it's about as bad care as it is in the US.
You do know that you're probably studying Parisian french, and the Quebeckers don't speak that? They speak a dialect based on french from 400 years ago, that honestly sounds like a drunk German speaking french as a second language.
Yea buts it’s closer than English, the Canadian move would be temporary anyway in my hopes. They’re starting to trend towards the same problems America is facing
As a Canadian I'm not sure what I would do for the next election if it is Trump vs Biden. I can't support someone who keeps supporting Israel after their actions in the last couple of months. But Trump literally said he will jail journalist and protesters and wants to invade mexico. I also feel like Trump would support Israel too .
Yeah... I feel like one of those is significantly fucking worse than the other. Almost like one is an abhorrent thing that the president has been forced into by decades of the US being closely tied with Israel and due to a truly psychotic amount of Israeli lobbying done in the States that could completely upend the election
Then you have the other...
The dude who has said he would lock up opponents, kill migrants, jail journalists, commit crimes against his own people, sterilize Americans, kill his own people, encourages acts of violence against innocent people and the disabled, revoke democracy, install fascism and take control of the planets largest military while being directly controlled by a foreign terrorist state and who has OPENLY said he supports Bibi multiple times.
I feel like one of those is SIGNIFICANTLY FUCKING WORSE.
This isn't a "Oh both sides suck and idk what to doooooo" situation. This is the best progressive president the US has had in decades versus Orange Hitler. Getting real sick of these takes that use exactly zero brain power. Anyone who makes them are either wildly uneducated in American politics, are a bad actor/troll, are a hateful person or is a moron.
Republicans have been vocal in support of Israel. I mean Lindsey Graham, a major trump backer, said Israel should completely level Gaza. People criticizing Biden and acting like Republicans would not be even worse regarding Palestine are not grounded in reality.
He did support Israel and would again, honestly this isn't something that any canidate likely to win would change.
Yay America.... 🙃
If trump actually planned to cut out a penny of israels budget AIPAC would eat him up, just like they do every other politician who forgets to kiss the ring. Since they're quiet you can assume they are fine with his candidacy
Do you like, not understand how party politics work?
I understand that both parties suck.
As a Canadian, you should maybe think about how bad it could get for Canada if Trump is elected.
I really don't want Trump as president again . He will probably never leave office and declare any loosing elections rigged . But Biden also sucks .
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I'm voting for Jill Stein or Cornel West. Both are much better choices than Trump or Biden.
Avoid news outlets
Build a wall around Detroit and put up a sign "No Trumps allowed"
Gotta be careful with that approach though, cause they'd still be allowed just one Trump.
They let in Trump Glumplich.
"Uh-hyuck."
Attack on Detroit
First, read the comments while thinking most are ignorant of the consequences.
I already left the US with no plans on living there again if I can make it work. So nothing would change with my life plans.
I'd love to leave, but it seems like citizenship elsewhere is hard. Where did you end up going?
Consider renouncing my US citizenship? I've already left.
He won't win. By honest means anyway. If we rollover and let him cheat his way into power we deserve what we get.
How are you going to stop them from cheating?
By making them double pinkie promise not to cheat.
Wouldn't that depend upon how they're going to cheat?
Phew, I thought I was actually going to have to go out and vote for a second there!
I think ill sit at the foot of the stairs.
Be glad I'm not at the top of their list, and try to help my friends that are. Can't do much to sway the scared of nothing millions that will vote for him. So I'm looking for overseas jobs that pay relo, and I if I don't make it out, hunker down and hope there is a country left to salvage at the end.
Nothing in particular. I am already planning for a Christian Nationalism state. Might as well ask me if I am already leaving a building because of a smoking detector going off if I would do something different if a second smoke detector went off.
I already know where I’ll try to emigrate. I chose a new preferred country after seeing how shitty large swaths of my fellow Americans behaved in 2020. Absolute shitheads.
Hold my nose for 4 years and power through, same as last time. I'm in a blue state, we're fine.
These responses should be entertaining. /teasip
Nothing, same as the first time. He couldn't do what he wants anyway, the stuff he can do can get reversed just as easily. All the other stuff is just noise.
Continually live life just like the last time he was in office. It's the same as when anybody else has taken office. Opposition says it's going to be the worst ever but in the grand scheme nothing changes.
Continue living my life as if federal shenanigans mostly don’t affect daily life, because they don’t.
Celebrate
Not an american, but I guess GTFO would be my answer if I were.
Since I don't care who wins, I'll do what I've done every day after an election: get up, go to work, come home, play with the kids, eat some dinner, maybe shag the wife.
By not caring who wins you already seem to understand this sick game of three card monte they keep playing on Americans every 2 to 4 years. Good on you for not playing along.
I still vote, but all but once in the last 20 years I've written in a name. When a worthy candidate from one of the two political parties is worthy of my vote, they'll get it. Voting on state and local elections is far more important than the federal level anyway.
I'm not amercain and don't live in america but If i were to guess what would happen most of the people here would winge about it on social media for a few days after post election then contuine to live there lives till the next election where they'll vote for the stinky smelly and otherwise smelling of bo red turd or yellow piss stained blue turd rince and repeat no one political party is better than the other there both as equally as bad as the other
The GOP are idiotic if they think he even has a chance of winning. He lost last time and I only know of republucans who said they would never vote for him in another election. I don't know of a single person that didn't vote for him before that would now.
The vote margin in swing states in each of the past few presidential elections has been razor thin. It only takes a few thousand people in each swing state staying home to swing the election his way.
Centrist voters in the US are also quite prone to "fuck you" votes against the president's party when they aren't happy about economic conditions, and lots of Americans are feeling a cost of living pinch right now.
In October polling, 78% of Americans said the country was headed in the wrong direction.
It's really not far from possible that he-who-shall-not-be-named gets in again. He has a hardened base that has been drinking the Kool-aid of his stolen election rhetoric, up against a disillusioned and scattered Democratic coalition that has been losing steam among demographics like African Americans and Latinos.
He doesn't need to win new voters. He just needs Biden to lose a few.
For sure! The CoL thing is a major issue! The fact that most of the money supply pumped into the market was under Trump's direction (pressuring the Fed, Tax Cuts, business stimulus, and a little bit the personal stimulus) and that Biden is the first president in decades to actually follow economist opinions on what to do about it (limit money supply, raise interest, expand supply of raw material sources, pressure investment in actual good creation, etc) means very little to others who can just say "Don't you wish things were the way they were 4 years ago".
I don't think it matters all that much if trump/republicans win or if Biden/democrats win.
I feel like I've seen enough elections in my life to know that the POTUS is largely just a human sock puppet for the peasants to fight over online and in the street.
No matter which corporate owned tool wins the gameplan stays the same.
Impoverish you. Obey the donors. Sanctions + bombs. Tax cuts. Turn their pockets inside out when it comes to anything poor/working class people need. I could go on but I think you get the point.
The slow suicidal summersault into ww3 shall continue. Buckle up.
Drink. At least it isnt Biden, but at what cost?
Outside of breaking border promises, pulling out of Afghanistan, and dealing with Israel, I don't see the long-term damage Biden has caused. Any Republican, not just Trump, is going to cause way more damage and have almost 0 benefits. If monkeypox happened under Trump, we would be in a way worse position.
#MAGA
