How could anyone hate Ciri :c
I can't understand hating Ciri as a chracter, but I can understand being kind of a disappointed not having Geralt as a playable character.
If you consider it as an isolated game it doesn't matter, but when you play three games as one character and then suddenly switch to another character it can feel kind of melancholic, in absence of a better word. Especially since now there's a non-zero chance that they'll kill Geralt in the new game.
But anyway, Ciri was an interesting character and those parts in Witcher 3 where you played as her were great.
and then suddenly switch to another character it can feel kind of melancholic
Its not that sudden, Ciri was playable in Witcher 3 at times and the ending that has to be canon for her to be the W4 Protag leaves Geralt alive and old, and if you count B&W the owner of a vineyard where he can chill with his girl of choice, so they don't even need to kill him off
"He's old and hangs out in Toussaint now, he sends Ciri letters" would be easy to do
It's not sudden at all. In fact there's no way you can be a fan of these games and not have seen this coming. It was the very obvious Next Step.
Geralt got his ending in The Witcher 3. I would much rather play as Ciri.
Someone that did not read the books. There are multiple points where the story shifts to Ciri. In a similar way Ragnarok shifts to Atreaus.
Witcher 3 literally has you play as her on multiple occasions, too
I haven't even finished it before and I can think of at least 2
So it'd be someone who's never read the books and has never played 3 (she isn't mentioned in 1 or 2)
For me it's not that I hate ciri at all. I completely understand women's complaint that most games have a male protagonist and they can't relate to that. I feel the same way, I like to feel at least somewhat immersed and I can never really get that with a female protagonist. It's not like I don't try either, I just never end up getting into the games I have tried that are like this.
I know it's hard when the story is based on an individual, but I just wish more games had an option so everyone could play who they want to. I don't hate them for this choice, it will just be another game that "isn't for me" in the same way a hyper competitive PVP game "isn't for me" which is fine.
Is it really like that for you? Does the same thing happen with books, movies, TV? Should they have an "option"?
I have absolutely no trouble immersing myself into Aloy, Lara Croft, Jesse (Control), Red (Transistor), Bayonetta, Faith (Mirror's Edge), and others.
Like, the character not being the same gender as me, doesn't even register as an obstacle for inhabiting them. I'm able to mentally become them in literally the exact same way I do any other protagonist.
Since, it's not like I need to be the same as someone in order to see the world through their perspective.
The opposite, the less they are like me, the greater the chance I'll get to experience something from outside my own lived experience. And I like that.
I'm with women in that they should have representation in games (and stories in general), but even just for myself I'm cheering this particular progression on for the sheer variety it brings.
Many Mass Effect players reported that FemShep was the better way to play the game. Many guys play female avatars in games because the cosmetic choices are usually more interesting. This actually came up in a study on MMORPG players many years ago, and I imagine it is still true today.
So it's not the magical powers, physical abilities, sexual magnatism, combat prowess, charisma, or anything else that Garalt has that you don't that throws you off? It's only that he has the body shape of a man that allows you to be immersed? If you played Garalt, but the body was modded into that of a female character, you'd lose your immersion, even though it's damn near equally unlike you as a person as before?
I've seen more posts complaining about complainers, than I've seen complainers.
This is Lemmy. You're looking for reddit.
Currently I split my time a bit on reddit and Lemmy, but at this point I don’t even bother with their gaming communities. Lemmy is miles better in that regard imo as far as discussions go.
Really? Can you share them? I saw the post on lemmy complaining about wanting male/female options, but there's also this article with gems such as below.
Even in the comments of that article though, is "DEI detected = Purchase rejected".
So the comments are out there, probably on reddit too, but they are there.
That's super reaching for straws. It's a skin in a third party Battle Royale game. He couldn't even bring himself to compare her to Ciri in Witcher 3.
We're a pretty happy bubble here, which is why I'm here
Nothing happy about creating your own boogy man lol.
Add Naughty Dog's "Intergalactic" to the pile: The protagonist is female and a PoC! The usual suspects are already frothing at the mouth and recording a bajillion outrage bait videos for their Youtube channels.
And bald! Which probably reminds some of the negative anti-wokers of their current day living situations
I dislike when space games have loose hair on characters. All hair should probably be cut short or tied up if you're making a game in space. Bald makes a lot of sense for this reason, especially since even short hair you'd ideally have physics in it floating around (assuming it has zero-g stuff or anything like that).
No no you see it is because I have dedicated the last 20 years of my life to Witcher lore and have memorized not only every line but every plot in the series and books, and you see, Ciri is supposed to be much [choice: less/more] powerful than this trailer makes her appear! I’m boycotting this game and recommend everyone else does too! I’m tired of them shitting on lore with woke propaganda!
Anyway, I think that covers it.
Ah I see you too are a "true" gamer
How come how the absolute worst men are allowed to represent the entire gender?
Being loud and offensive attracts more attention than being normal
I feel like the left should know better though
A chain is not stronger than its weakest link or something
actually pretty good analogy. like, whole generations of fucked up men come from the idea that if you just give up on the bad ones they disappear and nothing will come of it
That doesn't really work though... You could say the same thing about any demographic, and it would be correctly called out as racist/sexist/homophobic/etc
(Lore nerd rant ahead, tl;dr: Ciri being the protag is 100% fine and I expected it but her being a full witcher is weird)
There's exactly one somewhat valid complaint to be had here, and it's that Ciri in the books explicitly didn't go through the Trial of the Grasses (aka one of the main mutation processes that makes you a witcher or, as it often happens, just straight up kills you), so idk how they'll justify her being able to use witcher potions and stuff now. And (also in the books) she has lost her access to magic at one point, so using witcher signs is strange too.
I can see her wanting to take the plunge and go through with the trials, but I'm also certain that Geralt wouldn't want that for her bc of how much it fucks you up + most of the secrets of the trials have been lost.
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what explanation they come up with for her being a full witcher, but it better be good.
So, from lore perspective, I have no objections to her being the protag but I don't love her being a full witcher. I liked what they did with her gameplay sections in W3, I hoped they'd have just expanded on that gameplay idea more.
Just because she does it in the trailer does not mean we start there in the game.
I agree it seems a little shoe-horned to make her a classical witcher. I hope it's not just to give her the title, because she could easily be the protagonist, and/or have the job of being a witcher without the trial of the grasses. She was given the training and education of a witcher, and has magical powers of her own already. Receiving the trials would be a huge deal, narratively, to the characters, and to world building. I could easily see this being a fumbled corporate attempt at placating fans that wanted to see geralt, without any regard for the characters or world building. (Similar to "Rey Skywalker" having absolutely no business being a Skywalker). But that's all speculation. If it's treated as a major plot point, and not done just for the hell of it, it could still be good.
Yeah, exactly! I'm not married to the lore to the degree that I won't give the devs a chance to explain how this came to be, but I'm worried it's going to just be a cheap "well we needed to keep the signs and the potions as mechanics but Geralt is retired, fuck it, let's say they found instructions on how to safely make more witchers in Vesemir's cupboard somewhere."
She's wearing a feline medallion in the trailer, so it stands to reason she's affiliated with the School of the Cat now. She probably went through their trials. And apparently CDPR has stated she is indeed a full witcher now.
Yeah I'm not sure what her becoming a witcher adds to her story. She already has a lot going for her. Now if she became a badass witch like Granny weatherwax that's the left turn I want to see.
Ciri used headology: The bandit lies down questioning how exactly disappointed his mother will be in him when ciri gets back from the coven.
The thing is though, they don't care about women in video games, they just care about "ugly" women in video games. as long as they can look at an hourglass shaped woman with massive curves in a skinsuit they don't mind.
don't go down the rabbit hole of "fixing female characters"...
There is a very good Shaun video on this exact thing .
yes I really liked it. Even the analysis/hypothesis that it really is the moment of „not getting pandered to“ that enrages that demographic. Any moment they do not feel like the target audience they take grave offense.
Who the fuck finds game Ciri to be unattractive? She was specifically made prettier for the new medium. The books describe her as a tomboy with ashen hair, huge green eyes, young face, tall and slim. Later on, "losing on her charm" by being fed meals for what basically amounts to supersoldiers, despite being a kid and putting on weight. Even in the trailer for W4 she is depicted as the game version - no babyface, no "tomboyishness" etc. She literally is an hourglass shaped woman in a skinsuit.
What's annoying as fuck is her being a mutant, not her being a woman. Witchers were successful because they had gone through mutations, which had like a 30% success rate for boys in the optimal moment in their life - pre puberty.
At the end of Witcher 3, she is a 20 year old woman. Post puberty, hasn't been brought up preparing for the trials, quite the opposite - she had a relatively normal life. It's like comparing a chess prodigy that has played the game since they were 4, and a random dude starting chess at 30 yo. Multiply that by 300x - since the mixtures were specifically made with human physiology in mind - with Ciri basically being a demigod in the universe past Witcher 3. Add in the fact that passing the trials basically slows down aging to a crawl, but she looks way older in the trailer.
The reality is, it doesn't make sense from a lore perspective. But someone who doesn't care about the lore made a decision that Ciri is now a Witcher, so she somehow has to be one. In reality - the trailer basically made her a Mary Sue of the universe (if she wasn't that already). She is both a witcher and a mage and has unique bloodlines that give her additional powers.
What they could have done, is a million other things. Prequel to where witchers were created / early days of the cataclysm - conflicts between the original occupants of the universe and humans and monsters. They could've done a prequel with Vesemir. They could have continued wirh Ciri, but with her actual powers, instead of making her a witcher. They could've made a character creator letting everyone design their own witcher - with whatever characteristics they want.
People are pisses off for the same reason why the Netflix show quickly started sucking and why Cavill left it behind. Writers not caring about previous lore at all, pulling their own out of their ass because they think they know better than the author of the universe (who granted is a fucking asshole, but still).
You're judging a made up story. CDPR obviously does care about the lore. We've seen that. Sure, they break from the books in order to make the games they think are best. They still care about the lore though. Wait for the game to come out and I'm sure it'll all be explained. They've said she takes the trial of the grasses somehow. I'm sure it's not just handwaved away like your made up story implies.
The thing is though, they don't care about women in video games, they just care about "ugly" women in video games.
Welcome to 2024, where preferring art
to not bethat is not ugly is despicable behavior.I know most left leaning people aren't this extreme, but this really gives them a bad image and puts off a lot of people. Especially when the non extreme people jump to the defense out of the feeling that opposing extremes is the same as promoting the right.
EDIT: Change wording for clarity.
You conveniently ignored the quotes around "ugly" to go on your little rant there. These people already flip their shit when the woman is a mere mortal normal looking woman and not the perfectly shaped ridiculously curvy imperfection-free woman that incels think is the gold standard of attractiveness. Point in case: Star Wars Outlaws bad, Stellar Blade good
Doesn't Geralt basically retire at the end of 3??? Of course it's her turn to be the protag, fuck the haters.
My thought was that Geralt and Ciri's stories were over or decided, and I'm disappointed they didn't find a way to do a Witcher story either in the future or past that enabled you to pick your own gender, appearance, Witcher school, or whatever else, maybe with creative use of the trial of the grasses or something.
I'll happily play as Ciri to revisit the universe and maybe some familiar characters, but I just wish they'd done something newer or more original.
Ciri is such a great character in the books. I hope they can get a lot of that personality into her in the game, too.
It seems like it from the trailer, but I'm nervous about the voice actress, she does sound different than 3.... But I'm willing to give her a fair chance
From the trailer, its clear that its ~15-20 year time skip, she is able to drink witcher potions so she passed the trial of grasses, and clearly has much more control of her powers.
The trial of grasses point is where im concerned, yes she would have plot armor for a procedure that has a notriously low survival rate, plus the school of the wolf (Geralt, Vesimier and co.) destroied their old records after the events of the first game so that noone could produce more witchers.
Guaranteed the word “woke” will be thrown around left and right
More like it will be thrown from the right
I don't understand the hate for women in video games, If the next Doom game comes out with a female protagonist I'd be going "HELL YEAH RIP ITS HEAD OFF!!!" the same way I do in Doom Eternal
From shitty YouTuber influencers.
A guy from work constantly tells me how I should feel about a game based on a YouTuber he watches. He doesn't play it, he just parrot that shit. Often it's the most sexist, disgusting take.
And most of these influencers are outright basement dwellers with pride.
So like, they're getting shitty takes from shitty human beings who are proud of being shitty?
Yeah basically that neckbeard guy who just rages against anything that doesn't help his fantasies of being a real man. Can't remember the channel, want to say the
fappeningbut it's not that.E: shit I mean the quartering, have a cold and no sleep for 2 days. That's something completely different...
Don't understand it as a rational thing, understand the hate as a cancer with its growth being juiced and accelerated by the ruling class because incels are the easiest demographic to scam into violently acting against their own interests.
A cancerous process is by definition irrational from the perspective of the body it acts upon, the reason the cancer exists and grows is not because of a motive, desire or need but rather because the cancerous process consumes all the space and oxygen in a room at a faster rate than anything else can compete with while remaining invisible to the body as a threat.
Toxicity towards women displaces other topics and viewpoints specifically because the men pushing those topics want to monopolize the discussion and framing and often centrist types don't challenge that at all because of some self-perceived high ground to tolerating intolerance (not something you tend to believe in if you have experienced serious hate).
Generally speaking im absolutely for a better representation of women and minorities. However, theres on criterium for it: it must fit with the lore. If the lore makes sense with a woman, go for it. If you just replace the main character with a woman, but don't adjust the lore in a way that its clear that its an entire new storyline or so, than I'm against swapping out the main character. Inclusion shouldn't lower the quality of a game.
So like, in this case, ciri makes perfect sense as she's by pore, essentially the next be of kin.
Funny how none of them had a problem with like 10 games about Lara Croft.
I don't get it, Witcher already has a bunch of female protagonists.
Don't understand the hate. I also prefer sexy characters as I dont prioritize realism in games and am looking for escapism but that isn't the game. If you want a game with sexy characters, there are plenty.
I often mod games to add that asthetic. I'll probably wait for this to be on a big sale once there are such mods for that reason.
Don't like what they're selling? Don't play it. Or mod it. Don't screech on the internet that it's not fair to you. You didn't make the thing.
So much rage. It's like complaining a romantic comedy isn't an action movie.
It's not even that, she still looks good. They're mad she isn't a college girl in a white shirt anymore. She has armor and an actual woman's face, the horror.
joking (mostly)
I also like sexy characters and I'm livid every time I see a scantily clad woman without a male (or enby) counterpart.
I WANT MORE SEXY MEN IN VIDEO GAMES!
Why would they do this? Why would a producer produce something they wanted to produce??????
I guess they haven't finished the witcher 3 then🤷♂️ ciri is obv the only way foward by then.
Isn't female witcher technically a witch? 🤔
In general English usage I think you may be right.
In the world of "The Witcher" (which is translated from Polish) there are both male and female mages with inborn abilities. Sometimes they are called sorcerers and sorceresses, sometimes they are called mages, sometimes they are called something related to their specialisation of magic, and sometimes wise women who do magic but didn't go to the academy are called witches.
Witchers, however, are not mages. They are made from ordinary humans and are gene manipulated and highly trained to be monster hunters. They have some witcher powers that are related to runes, and they make potions that have side effects only they can survive thanks to their manipulated bodies. Witchers at birth do not have special potential. Though a lot of little witcher trainees die, so you could argue they are artificially selected in that way.
Ciri is kind of neither of those, but she has special abilities related to space and time manipulation. In the new trailer it seems she drinks a witcher potion, but from what we know she never underwent the manipulation that witchers did.
IIRC, the original polish "witcher" was made by taking word for "witch" and changing the grammatical gender to be masculine. Evidently this was not an existing word meaning "male witch", and so was better translated as "witcher" (ie a made up word clearly derived from "witch") instead of "witch" or "wizard".
I don't think so.
I think being a Witcher is a distinct moniker In universe for the training/vocation of hunting magical monsters.
The usual male analogues in media for witch are wizards and/or warlocks
that implies that men are witch-er than a female witch? :D
Like this: I woke to news of a cool-looking Witcher game?
I hate how everything has to be stupid culture war nonsense these days.
I'll probably get the game but be disappointed I don't get to play as Geralt.
I'd also be disappointed to get a new Horizon game where I don't get to play as Aloy. Does that make me a misandrist?
No, but being disappointed you don't play as Geralt means you missed half the point of 3.
Let the dude retire to his life of cheating on his girlfriend, damn
Its only woke when it doesn't succeed.
To name two of way too many examples:
Baldurs gatev woke until it was a hit.
Dustborn, still woke cause it flopped.
The grifters have never been more obvious than now.I don't think I'll ever understand why people have a problem with a female protagonist. I'm a girl and my fave games ever all involve playing as male protagonists. One of the core essences of playing videogames is escapism, to be someone that you're not, I don't see what's immersion breaking about it. I've seen the trailer and I'm hyped!
Metroid FTW
Yeah I don't understand why people want to play themselves in a video game honestly
I started the Witcher 3 twice. Got bored with it both times. Seeing the trailer for the Witcher 4 is actuslly making me go back to finish the Witcher 3.
As long as she's not Mary Skywalker Sue then I'm all for it.
dude some even said they made her ugly ... she looks like fucking Tricia Helfer!
The ugly comments are fucking hilarious. She's a perfectly attractive older woman at this point, and quite honestly, if I'm going to be forced to take up her mantle as the player character, I'll have a much easier time identifying with a hardened older woman as a Witcher than a young adult girl with perpetually running mascara.
I didn't enjoy playing the Ciri bits at all in TW3, but this version of Ciri is about as palatable as it could have been, and I'm open to it. Especially if I can customize her playstyle like I could Geralt, so that it's not just fast, whippy, lightning zippy-zappy whatever-the-fuck that was in TW3.
Perfectly screwed up image
Witcher 4 will get a female protagonist? In that case I might even get it.
I didn't check out what the news about it was but they announced at least half a decade ago that Geralt's story was over and if they're creating another Witcher game, it's going to be Ciri
So I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that Cirilla, daughter of the emperor, the girl with elder blood, groomed by the Witchers to become one of them... MIGHT just be the next protagonist.
And I'm all for it. She's the future, Geralt is the past. I love Geralt, but he's so old and broken by the end of 3, it's not even funny anymore. They could do prequel games with him or something, but not a sequel to 3 at this point.
I want to see him chilling on his vineyard though
Based on the trailer, yes, it appears to be Ciri
Beyond bored of both sides hijacking games for their identity me so specia outlooks. Get a personally FFS. Oh no she's a bit hench for a woman. She's been training and killing monsters most her life. On no people mad because woman in game. literally wgaf Geralt was awesome but the arc has ended for now nice and naturally.
If you read the books you'd be pretty excited about Ciri being the protagonist as in the books she just goes off into the sunset whereas now we get to see her return pick up the mantle and possibly get some new settings in France and England.
Ciri?
EDIT: guessed it.
Is it faithful to the source material? (I have no idea what's going on?
The games take place after the books, so it's green field. Although it sounds like I canonizes the ending of witcher 3, (but honestly there was only one "correct" ending to the witcher 3 unless you're a heartless bastard)
Translation: Ciri is too OP! How can I play looking at her!
One-handed
Might be a hot take, but reporting on that just generates the wrong kind of buzz.
Where ? I don't see them
Don't look at Steam discussions huh
Probably smart
People look at them? The most I have contact with the general Steam Community is the artwork secrion beneath some games on the community hub.
I still don't see them & their concerns are pretty valid to be fair
I read this and all I can think of is that voice line from the first area (outside visima) where the little girl asks "can girls become witche's too?"
I guess it doesn't really fit within the story of the original, but if they make a new story with new themes I don't see much of a problem. But no one really likes ret-cons
The canonical answer to "can girls become witchers" is no one properly knows. Citi was raised and trained by them but they didn't do the other stuff (the mutagens, trial of grasses or special diet) because they both didn't know what it would do to a girl because it had never been done to a girl and because even if it worked exactly like it would for a boy it causes sterility and she's the last member of the royal line of Cintra.
But the time of The Witcher 3, she's already older than it's normally done, so any attempt to do it would additionally have unknown results because presumably they usually start changing them from childhood for a reason, rather than taking in adult trainees.
I think in the first game they said it would kill a girl but the game got details wrong semi-frequently
The only people who are triggered are you guys. You're dealing with trolls who only say that shit to get your goat. They don't give a shit that they're playing as Ciri. They're not even racist for real. They just wanna hear you do your hardest to lash out right back at them for their lazy input.
Yeah they play the loser and we play the woke angel, it's kind of win-win because they get whatever it is they get, and we get to feel smart and superior.
AI has kind of taken the fun out of it, though... like for real, convincing sounding, dog whistle sprinkled, trollish duck speak is so easy to generate, I struggle to care about interactions on main socials. I mean I don't go there, but if I did...
